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'Er indoors wants to know the relative merits of the two types. I couldn't tell her, so I'm appealing to you lot for an answer!
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I have excema... bio is a no-go area... as are "conditioners"...
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Bio is best at low temperatures and for soaking with bio stains like blood or grass. In a hot wash it offers little advantage as the bio effect is de-natured by the heat.
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>> I have excema... bio is a no-go area... as are "conditioners"...
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SWMBO Ditto
Plus no perfume.
Recently crossed off Persil as they had added perfume but denied it.
We contacted them and said that it was "Orginal". Unfortunately for them we had an old bottle and the truth was out by reading the label.
I was tempted to go to Trading Standards as " Original" is not true.
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Biological powders contains enzymes that break down proteins and fats and thus are good at removing food stains. They work at lower temperatures than non biological detergents and thus can help save energy.
Some people attribute skin problems to biological detergents but there seems to be little scientific evidence that these detergents are to blame .
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>> Some people attribute skin problems to biological detergents but there seems to be little scientific
>> evidence that these detergents are to blame .
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Never done any scientific research into this, CGN, but using both bio and non-bio back to back, I have found that the bio DOES adversely affect my excema... So sensible course of action is to avoid them... and as all non-bios seem to be ok, thats what I have done...
Sometimes non-scientific research is more useful in day-to-day life than all the research these companies put in before marketing their product!
Sorry, to the OP if I've misunderstood their original question... though it has proved ineteresting!
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we don't use Bio in our house because it does cause intermittent unexplained rashes or irritation on both of us.
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>> we don't use Bio in our house because it does cause intermittent unexplained rashes or
>> irritation on both of us.
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special clinic?
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>> On my elbow?
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each to their own ;)
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Causes unexplained irritation. Most of the forum must be using the stuff.
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Biological powders contains enzymes that break down proteins and fats and thus are good at removing food stains. They work at lower temperatures than non biological detergents and thus can help save energy.
Some people attribute skin problems to biological detergents but there seems to be little scientific evidence that these detergents are to blame .
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>>>Bio compared with non-bio<<<
Who said he was talking about washing powder?
Yoghurt
Wine
Vegetables
Anti snail pellets
the list goes on.......
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>>Anti snail pellets
OP - be afaid! :-)
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Non biological vegetables, wine and yogurt? I'd steer clear!
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Some members our litigacious society have successfully sued detergent and washing up liquid makers for "problems" caused by use of their products. Perhaps the makers think it is easier to settle out of court, without admission of liability, than to fight it thru the courts and perhaps get an expensive judgement against them?
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Bio?
Luxury.
I buy the cheapest powder on the shelf - easy to spot in its plain one or two colour printed box.
If some washing comes out not too clean, I slap more powder in the next time.
That's what I call research.
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Lil and Aldi washing stuff is perfectly OK, one of the brand names is W5, I think. We pay way over the odds for detergents in this country anyway. I bought a 75 wash pack of Persil powder in Germany 2 months ago for £10, equivalent, and I could have had the liquid for the same price. 12p a wash seems a good deal!
Last edited by: Perky Penguin (p) on Sat 11 Dec 10 at 12:01
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Most powders are made by the same factory anyway, each "retailer" may specify "thier" own slightly different recipe, but with alot of the cheaper powders, the same stuff goes in slightly different printed boxes. Most of the cheaper powders also clean just as effeciently as the dearer ones, you can pay alot more for the cosmetic enhancers without any actual benefit.
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The phrase 'selling soap' has long been used by sales people as shorthand for conning the customer.
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>> Most powders are made by the same factory anyway, each "retailer" may specify "thier" own
>> slightly different recipe, but with alot of the cheaper powders, the same stuff goes in
>> slightly different printed boxes.
In recent history there were 3 washing powder manufacturers of any size in the UK
P&G
Lever
Marshalls(IIRC) Workington - own label
I am sure there will be individual companies with specialistions.
And of course there will be imports from all over Europe nowadays
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Quite true!
>>Marshalls(IIRC) Workington - own label<<
Marchon - Whitehaven, now sadly closed! = 30miles North of me
>>Most powders are made by the same factory <<
McBrides - Barrow "We're the clear leader in Household and Personal Care products.
In fact we're over twice the size of our nearest rival.
We develop and supply products for sale under retailers' own brands." 24miles South of me!
>>imports from all over Europe <<
"We manufacture laundry powders tablets and liquids including the most innovative laundry liquid gels. With soluble sachet production capability in three sites across Europe,"
And finally! - as so many obviously get irritated by soap...........
"We even have products specifically designed for people with sensitive skin conditions such as eczema." :-)
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"I bought a 75 wash pack of Persil powder in Germany 2 months ago for £10, equivalent, "
Far too expensive ..Only buy on offer
50 washes for under a fiver at Sainsbury..
(we buy in bulk)
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Good timing, this thread. Mrs. H was complaining yesterday that our washing machine wasn't getting the clothes clean enough; we've used the same detergent (Tesco own brand tablets) for some time now.
I suspect that Tesco have diluted the ingredients to keep the price down; we've bought a packet of Bold today to compare. Trouble is the Tesco stuff is half the price of name brands, and also certain ones (Persil in particular) make me itch.
Only other thing I can think of is that the heating element's on its way out, thus not getting the wash hot enough forthe powder to work properly.
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"Only other thing I can think of is that the heating element's on its way out, thus not getting the wash hot enough forthe powder to work properly. "
More likely the thermostat?
We all break out in rashes with bio.. hence use non bio...
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>> Only other thing I can think of is that the heating element's on its way
>> out, thus not getting the wash hot enough forthe powder to work properly.
Bio powders work below 40 celsius so unless the heater's failed altogether.......
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There's a dearth of stain removers which seem to have increased alarmingly over the last six months. Now you can buy them to add to each wash as routinely as we add washing powder.
The manufacturers of these are without doubt, the same firms who manufacture the washing powder, so am I being cynical to suggest that we are being pushed into buying yet another product to do the job the (reduced power) washing powder should be doing in the first place?
A spot of fairy liquid on a grease mark works wonders and none of them are needed.
I can never understand how a washing powder can trigger an allergic reaction when it goes through such a comprehensive rinse cycle either.
Pat
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>> I can never understand how a washing powder can trigger an allergic reaction when it
>> goes through such a comprehensive rinse cycle either.
People often overload machine and parts are neither washed / nor rinsed 100%.
Many moons ago I worked in a large chain store, people returned jumpers etc wanting an exchange/refund - the woollies squeaked as they had been put in soapy water and poorly rinsed.
Even properly washed / properly rinsed goods well pressed (and new looking!) failed to get a refund - the main garment label never recovered and always showed where goods had been washed
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That makes sense FB.
Good to see you on here and hope the treatment is going OK.
Pat
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I drop my clothes into a wicker basket before I get in bed and the next time I see them they're back in the wardrobe. I don't know how that happens and I don't want to know.
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Bio compared with non-bio - hobby
