| Non-motoring > What's with all the flags? | Miscellaneous |
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Thu 28 Aug 25 22:23
What's with all the flags? - Rudedog
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I guess this could have been in motoring.... over the weekend I traveled down the M20, on nearly every bridge there was a Union Jack flag hanging from it, then back home there were red crosses stuck to the white central bollards, driving to work I go over two mini roundabouts (the larger domed type) both had had red crosses painted on them, naively I thought they were the council warning drivers not to cut across them until today when they had been repainted white. Has there been anything similar in your neck of the woods? |
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Thu 28 Aug 25 22:28
What's with all the flags? - sooty123
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| No nothing at all. |
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Thu 28 Aug 25 23:09
What's with all the flags? - Zero
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It started in the midlands, a protest about some schoolgirl stopped from giving a speech at school about being british while wearing a Union jack dress. Its now been hijacked by right wing nationlists and anti immigration factions. Saw painted st georges crosses appear on mini roundabouts in Worcester and the west midlands while I was there last week and its now spreading. Last edited by: Zero on Thu 28 Aug 25 at 23:09
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Fri 29 Aug 25 15:14
What's with all the flags? - Terry
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| Lots of Union Jacks and St George Crosses around Yate just north of Bristol. Other half thinks they are more about immigration and hotels rather than the schoolgirl talk. |
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Fri 29 Aug 25 15:40
What's with all the flags? - Zero
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>> half thinks they are more about immigration and hotels rather than the schoolgirl talk. Yes thats the hijack thats now taking place. |
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Fri 29 Aug 25 15:54
What's with all the flags? - Bromptonaut
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>> It started in the midlands, a protest about some schoolgirl stopped from giving a speech >> at school about being british while wearing a Union jack dress. I'd not seen that link made. School admits it screwed up. Certainly agree it's been adopted for a different cause. Nothing on this side of Northampton but I've not been round the eastern districts where the people who subscribe to Nigel etc are more to the fore. |
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Fri 29 Aug 25 16:56
What's with all the flags? - Manatee
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It's the Reform rabble-rousing on immigration that's got the thugs and BNP types going. I'm sick of hearing that the demos outside hotels show how much people are deeply worried and afraid etc. As far as I'm concerned they are just a demonstration of how easy it is to sow hate and division which is what Farage is about. I can't improve on the following from Ian Dunt (usual expletives removed) which is part of a piece attacking Labour for nodding along rather than taking Reform apart as they should be. "Talk of mass deportation is Nazi b******* [bovine excrement]. You can pretend otherwise, but that's what it is. In order to even countenance it, you must reach a point of hatred towards a minority group which is reminiscent of the very worst moments of human history. In order to implement it, you would need a system of control and surveillance which goes well beyond any traditional notion of what this country, or indeed any free society, is about. In order to enact it, you need to split people into valid and invalid categories, round them up and concentrate them in advance of deportation, necessitating the use of camps. And yes, if you're going to land those planes at their destination, you will need to do deals with tyrannical governments so that they can murder the people who tried to escape them. That's the reality of it. Those who promote the idea should be treated like the moral discharge they so truly are. Those who countenance it should hang their heads in shame. And those who know it's wrong should stand up proudly to state their opposition to it, as we would expect of anyone with the stature and vigour to operate in a civilised society." Last edited by: Manatee on Fri 29 Aug 25 at 16:57
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Fri 29 Aug 25 17:25
What's with all the flags? - smokie
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I believe there is actually quite a sizeable number of people with concerns over housing large numbers of mainly male immigrants locally. I know that not all of the people likely to protect are racist, or intend being divisive. Only cos I know a few people who would be prepared (and have) demonstrated against it locally here. We have what was a rather nice hotel housing about 200 I think. Undoubtedly the racist rabble later swell the protesting numbers but then they seem to do that with any cause where confrontation is a possibility. |
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Fri 29 Aug 25 18:35
What's with all the flags? - Terry
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Farage is in error in combining two issues - those who are aleady here and may have been for many years/decades, and those who choose to cross the channel on a daily basis. The former are largely no longer a drain on public finances and have disappeared into the black economy. They may have family, employment and other ties. Deportation is abhorrent. Their status should be "regularised" to ensure they can play a full part in society - pay taxes, children educated, have access to NHS etc etc. Farage views on current boatees are sounder - we must control our borders. France should be as safe a place as the UK as are the several EU countries through which any boatee may have travelled to reach the channel. They are not taking the fairly small risk of a channel crossing to flee persecution - they are coming because the UK is an easy touch, or other more personal reasons - family, language skills etc. The UK is woeful in its management of asylum claims - extended decision making (years), and huge costs (accomodation, courts etc). Very clear criteria are needed against which entry to the UK should be judged. Fleeing terror or persecution is not one (see above para). There should be a limit of one decision appeal. The process should be capable of validation within no more than three months. As other countries have found, the flow of asylum seekers reduces close to zero with clear policies - no refugee in mainland Europe is going to risk coming to the UK unless they have a cast iron case. The UK will not to send hundreds back to their country of origin - once a few dozen have been repatriated the flow will dry up. The gangs will be truly "smashed" - unlike the Starmer/Cooper version which has had no material impact. There will be those who will be ouraged by the immorality of repatriating even a few - many/most would see the end as justifying the means. |
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Fri 29 Aug 25 19:07
What's with all the flags? - Manatee
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| What sort of person - I won't say idiot - goes and protests outside the hotel in question, which is both futile and threatening? |
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Sat 30 Aug 25 02:17
What's with all the flags? - Terry
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>> What sort of person - I won't say idiot - goes and protests outside the >> hotel in question, which is both futile and threatening? >> They could write a letter to their MP and get an anodyne and meaningless reply, or wait four years and vote for a different party. If people feel strongly they have the right to make their views obvious through protest (within the law). Whether one agrees or not, their actions have raised the issue to immediate and high profile. This is precisely what the protestors want - stimulate real government action in contrast to the ineffectual current strategy. |
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Sat 30 Aug 25 08:20
What's with all the flags? - Manatee
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>> If people feel strongly they have the right to make their views obvious through protest >> (within the law). Absolutely. And the tendency to suppressing protest is deplorable. For myself, I would be ashamed to be part of a mob of 200 people gathered around an "asylum hotel" protesting about the refugees inside about whose personal circumstances I knew nothing. |
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Fri 29 Aug 25 21:23
What's with all the flags? - Manatee
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>> I believe there is actually quite a sizeable number of people with concerns over housing >> large numbers of mainly male immigrants locally. I know that not all of the people >> likely to protect are racist, or intend being divisive. Only cos I know a few >> people who would be prepared (and have) demonstrated against it locally here. We have what >> was a rather nice hotel housing about 200 I think. >> >> Undoubtedly the racist rabble later swell the protesting numbers but then they seem to do >> that with any cause where confrontation is a possibility. I don't mean to be unkind. I'm scared too. Though more of the hate and division than I am of the immigrants. I know I live in a bubble, as I suspect do most of us on here. But in the end, ordinary, kind, normal people always go along with this 'othering' of whatever unfortunate minority is being demonised because, eventually, they feel they have no choice. I honestly think it's the duty of decent people not to go along with it while there is still a choice, and if there are problems that need addressing, to go about it a different way. It doesn't matter to Farage whether it's a real problem or not. He wants the anger, and the violence that he will of course condemn if it happens to erupt. |
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Fri 29 Aug 25 18:57
What's with all the flags? - Kevin
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>It's the Reform rabble-rousing on immigration that's got the thugs and BNP types going. So, you think that anyone and everyone who disagrees with uncontrolled or illegal immigration is a thug or "BNP type" (whatever a BNP type is)? And people who accepted asylum seeking-families being accomodated locally but are now demonstrating against groups of single males are sowing hate and division? In my not so humble opinion it's the clueless left wing £$%&-wits who've been slinging insults like that who have brought about this backlash. Dunt's Nazi rant might impress those in the Lower 6th common room but that's about it. |
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Fri 29 Aug 25 19:15
What's with all the flags? - Manatee
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No I don't "think that anyone and everyone who disagrees with uncontrolled or illegal immigration is a thug or "BNP type"". They do in some cases however get very confused about it. Is it illegal to seek asylum? Is it uncontrolled, or do they just disagree with the way it is controlled? But I do think that where crowds turn up to demonstrate outside hotels they are basically rabble responding to the vile messaging coming from Reform and friends, amplified by the cess pit print media and regrettably also by the BBC which seems obsessed with Farage. Have a civilised debate by all means, and demonstrate in public spaces or outside Parliament if you must. I always enjoy insults from you, thanks! |
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Fri 29 Aug 25 20:02
What's with all the flags? - Robin O'Reliant
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>> >> >> But I do think that where crowds turn up to demonstrate outside hotels they are >> basically rabble responding to the vile messaging coming from Reform and friends, amplified by the >> cess pit print media and regrettably also by the BBC which seems obsessed with Farage. >> >> Have a civilised debate by all means, and demonstrate in public spaces or outside Parliament >> if you must. >> >> >> People demonstrate outside hotels because it is the only way they will be taken any notice of. It is no good protesting to your MP or holding up placards on Westminster Green because you will just be ignored. People like Farage benefit from the failure of mainstream politicians to listen to the concerns of the electorate. The same reason Trump is in his second term across the pond. Being called a Nazi or an extreme right winger no longer has any impact because it is routinely used against anyone not left of centre. Last edited by: Robin O'Reliant on Fri 29 Aug 25 at 20:03
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Fri 29 Aug 25 21:04
What's with all the flags? - Manatee
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>>Being called a Nazi or an extreme right winger no longer has any impact because it is routinely used against anyone not left of centre. Is there anybody left of centre now apart from dear old Corbyn?? I'm still waiting for Labour to do something about child poverty which is at record levels, and inequality in general. Half of households are estimated to be living hand to mouth, pay cheque to pay cheque. I'm deeply concerned at the rise in authoritarian tendencies from which Labour does not seem to be exempt. And it's not just the UK. All authoritarian countries (we aren't there yet, but the US is well on the way) share the same characteristics. A wealthy elite, extreme corruption, an oppressed majority, huge inequality. It's difficult to get a historical perspective but I fear the fifty or so years of my adult life have been the best it's ever going to be for working people. Far from being the norm, I fear also that where we are now, with capital aggressively in control, is actually closer to the long term 'normal'. The oompa loompas were kept in poverty, never far from destitution, with no NHS or welfare state, up to WW2. My puff has been characterised by rising real wages at least up to 2009, healthcare, the safety net, paid holiday and improving working conditions. That helped a lot of things work better. Much of that has gone into reverse. We may never be able to afford the NHS and the welfare state again. When Labour won the election, everything was broken. Most of it still is. The fruits of increased efficiency and accelerated use of resources have all almost all gone increasingly to capital. The post-boomers are broke and in debt, the government's broke and in debt, and still the wealthy hoard the assets. And as Musk has amply demonstrated, they can choose their government if they know how to go about it. Farage is backed by millionaires - they don't care about ordinary people, not even a bit. Only their personal wealth. Hence the stirring of hate and division. Have we heard anything meaningful or credible from Reform about anything other than immigration? Not that their mass deportation 'plan' has any credibility whatsoever. Last edited by: Manatee on Fri 29 Aug 25 at 21:06
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Fri 29 Aug 25 20:04
What's with all the flags? - Kevin
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>No I don't "think that anyone and everyone who disagrees with >uncontrolled or illegal immigration is a thug or "BNP type"". Then what is this? "It's the Reform rabble-rousing on immigration that's got the thugs and BNP types going. I'm sick of hearing that the demos outside hotels show how much people are deeply worried and afraid etc. As far as I'm concerned they are just a demonstration of how easy it is to sow hate and division which is what Farage is about. I can't improve on the following from Ian Dunt.. 'Talk of mass deportation is Nazi b******* [bovine excrement].'" And then you go on to call them a "Rabble". >Have a civilised debate by all means, and demonstrate in public >spaces or outside Parliament if you must. The problem is that people in authority have tried to close down any reasonable debate. How can anyone have a 'civilised' debate with people who's first reaction is to label them as 'hard right', 'thugs' or 'Nazi's' because they have a different opinion? >I always enjoy insults from you, thanks! Don't let it go to your head - I'm not always this nice. |
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Sat 30 Aug 25 08:34
What's with all the flags? - sooty123
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Govs have ignored this issue that is very important to enough people to make it the number one issue in polling. Both main parties don't really know what to do about it. Reform have come up with a plan, workable or otherwise, to tackle it. I wouldn't be surprised if they form the next gov. There's nothing uniquely British about this, countries across Europe have voted for new/traditionally smaller parties to try and solve this, if anything we're behind the curve. |
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Sat 30 Aug 25 08:50
What's with all the flags? - Bromptonaut
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>> Govs have ignored this issue that is very important to enough people to make it >> the number one issue in polling. Both main parties don't really know what to do >> about it. Reform have come up with a plan, workable or otherwise, to tackle it. >> Both parties have been like rabbits in the headlights over small boats but so have other coastal states in Europe such as Italy and Greece. Spain has a growing issue too both in the Med and the Canaries. |
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Sat 30 Aug 25 12:36
What's with all the flags? - Zero
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>> Reform have come up with a plan, workable or otherwise, to tackle >> it. No they havent. Typically, they have spouted what they think supporters want to hear. There is no semblance of a plan of any kind behind it, and quickly rowed back on parts of the words outside the press conference launch. There is no "solution*" or workable plan to prevent illegals landing ashore in dinghys, and few ways to send them back from whence they came. One wonders however, how the numbers of illegals in dingies, compares to the past number of illegals stowed away in lorries in previous years, a route now more difficult with brexit border checks on most trucks. I bet its very similar, but dingies being much more dramatic and publically visible, great press fodder. I think almost inevitably we will end up with ID cards. No ID, no social security, benefits, housing, medical treatment, work, the aim to make life in the black economy very miserable.. *well, there is, but its unplatable, illegal, and would turn the country into a world pariah Last edited by: Zero on Sat 30 Aug 25 at 12:36
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Sat 30 Aug 25 17:20
What's with all the flags? - Terry
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>> >> Reform have come up with a plan, workable or otherwise, to tackle >> >> it. >> >> No they havent. Typically, they have spouted what they think supporters want to hear. There >> is no semblance of a plan of any kind behind it, and quickly rowed back >> on parts of the words outside the press conference launch. Like pretty much all political rhetoric - Farage simply deploys it rather more convincingly than other current political leaders. >> >> There is no "solution*" or workable plan to prevent illegals landing ashore in dinghys, and >> few ways to send them back from whence they came. Plenty of ways - US, Australia, Germany, Italy - to name a few with very active illegal immigration policies. EU generally are working on policies to ensure those whose asylum claims are unsuccessful leave or are actually deported. Once realisation grows that even trying to cross the channel is doomed to ultimate failure, the numbers attempting to cross will reduce close to zero. >>I think almost inevitably we will end up with ID cards. No ID, no social security, benefits, >>housing, medical treatment, work, the aim to make life in the black economy very >>miserable. I have no problem with ID cards and would welcome their introduction. Fair societies should embrace both rights and obligations, not bury issues through ignorance. >> *well, there is, but its unplatable, illegal, and would turn the country into a world >> pariah Doubtful - we may actually recover some self respect for clear and explicit action. If EU gets tough on failed asylum seekers, the number coming to the UK may increase as the only major European soft touch .destination. |
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Sat 30 Aug 25 20:09
What's with all the flags? - Zero
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>> Plenty of ways - US, Australia, Germany, Italy - to name a few with very >> active illegal immigration policies. EU generally are working on policies to ensure those whose asylum >> claims are unsuccessful leave or are actually deported. Could you provide actual concrete examples and results from such countries? (there are none if you exclude australia) >> >> *well, there is, but its unplatable, illegal, and would turn the country into a >> world >> >> pariah >> >> Doubtful - we may actually recover some self respect for clear and explicit action. What? mowing down the dingies in the channel with fast patrol boats will get us self respect? Last edited by: Zero on Sat 30 Aug 25 at 20:10
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Sun 31 Aug 25 10:12
What's with all the flags? - sooty123
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>> >> Reform have come up with a plan, workable or otherwise, to tackle >> >> it. >> >> No they havent. Typically, they have spouted what they think supporters want to hear. There >> is no semblance of a plan of any kind behind it, and quickly rowed back >> on parts of the words outside the press conference launch. I believe both main parties are reviewing their idea of what echr should look like. Reform wanted to get out in front of both of them and make the running for this issue. They appear to have done that. It won't do them any harm in the polling. |
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Sat 30 Aug 25 17:48
What's with all the flags? - John F
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>> How can anyone have a 'civilised' debate with people who's first reaction is to label >> them as 'hard right', 'thugs' or 'Nazi's' because they have a different opinion? Quite so. I think moderator(s) here should remind debaters that ad hominem abuse will not be tolerated. I have earned my living on three different continents and worked in an organisation (the NHS) heavily dependent upon immigration. However, I have seen the results of the take-over of areas where my ancestors once lived (Dewsbury, Bradford, Birmingham) and the effect on the value of their houses and the local economy of these towns owing to the immigrants year after year funnelling billions of pounds back to dependants in their ancestral villages rather than spending and investing locally. I shall probably be voting for Reform - not because of hate (if I was in their shoes I might do the same), but a combination of fear and despair. |
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Sun 31 Aug 25 12:01
What's with all the flags? - Manatee
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I won't labour it. I don't think you or indeed most of the people whose voting intention is Reform are thugs, but put them in power and that's what you'll get. As well as entrenched inequality. The people funding Reform and pull the strings are not going to support higher taxes for the wealthy.
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Sun 31 Aug 25 20:25
What's with all the flags? - smokie
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John F said " I think moderator(s) here should remind debaters that ad hominem abuse will not be tolerated." As a mod I have been watching this thread (as I do all threads) but tbh I feel we are mostly pretty good at self moderating, usually by not posting anything too personal in the first place but also by appropriate responses from other posters if someone does - which I think is what's happened here. We are all used to be a bit of stick and IMO harsher moderation may inhibit some perfectly acceptable views and discussion, which I for one would miss, or otherwise interrupt the flow. The other point to bear in mind is this is a reasonably small community with a hard core of regulars, many of whom have "known" each other for a long time and often give as good as they get! But that's not me giving licence to people to become personally abusive, which I'm sure they will understand. And I'm only one of a number of mods, and we wouldn't necessarily all have the same opinion. Last edited by: smokie on Sun 31 Aug 25 at 20:26
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Sat 30 Aug 25 21:03
What's with all the flags? - tyrednemotional
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>> >> How can anyone have a 'civilised' debate with people who's first reaction is to label >> them as 'hard right', 'thugs' or 'Nazi's' because they have a different opinion? >> ...and there's the rub - I don't think Manatee (or anyone else on this thread has reacted thus - labelling as a first reaction because they have "a different opinion"). Having a different opinion is a luxury of democracy. How you choose to express that opinion can easily cross the line and become undemocratic. IMO, we have had, and are still having, such expression, and for that I don't think using words like "hard- right" (in the usage which has now become customary), "rabble", "thugs" etc. is unmerited. (Given Nazi has certain connotations I might rather chose "authoritarian" or something similar). The situation in Epping and elsewhere is but a hair's breadth away from that which occurred at Manvers - and you can't persuade me that that was acceptable in any way. I think many of us have varying levels of concern about immigration levels, both legal and illegal, but my concerns pale into insignificance against those who will fan the flames on the subject for their own purely political ends. They have no practical solutions, will bend with the wind as it suits them, and are deeply rooted in hypocrisy. (Farage changes his tune more often than I change my underpants, and at my age...well.... The last Tory government started the hotel thing, and let the initial contract for the Bell in Epping. Now their current leader is imploring councils to take legal action on eviction. Despicable behaviour). Genuine asylum seekers need to be treated fairly. Whilst I have some niggling sympathy with economic migrants (most people want to better themselves) this is an entirely different case. If it were up to me, I'd probably introduce ID cards, open more legal routes to seek asylum (but with vetting abroad), and repatriate all illegal arrivals (and in cases where this was impossible, incarcerate them sine die). ...and I'd jail the far-right, thuggish rabble if it turned up outside the place of incarceration. ;-) Authoritarian, moi? |
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Sun 31 Aug 25 10:06
What's with all the flags? - sooty123
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Well Tice was on tv explaining about the money they'd have to go, for example, to Afghanistan to take back asylum seekers. Pretty much said we have to do deals with unpleasant regimes to get things done and we always have. Interestingly the labour minister agreed with reform that the echr needs changing so the gov can get things down. They are looking at the right to a private and family life. Last edited by: sooty123 on Sun 31 Aug 25 at 10:10
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Sun 31 Aug 25 10:22
What's with all the flags? - Rudedog
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Well got up yesterday to go out and about.... they are now everywhere! On nearly every lamppost there was either a Union Jack flag or a St George's cross, someone has spent a lot of time and money go around in the middle of the night and do this, we are probably taking at least 200 lampposts - similar to when the red poppies appear overnight on every lamppost. I'm not on FB but my wife is, and says there have been loads of posts supporting this - although I couldn't work out what 'this' was. Not sure what the council will do - if anything. |
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Sun 31 Aug 25 11:16
What's with all the flags? - Zero
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Quite frankly a lot of OUR human rights are under pressure and being nibbled away by successive governments, I am a little nervous about removing another layer of protection |
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Sun 31 Aug 25 19:27
What's with all the flags? - Kevin
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>.. I don't think Manatee (or anyone else on this thread has reacted thus.. My post was challenging the idea that all the current protests are associated with right of centre politics and presumably have nothing to do with genuine concerns. People in influential positions, the media, political organisations, celebrities and the self-proclaimed pundits who perpetuate the narrative that it's nothing more than racism or thuggery. >..I don't think using words like "hard-right" (in the usage which has now become customary), >"rabble", "thugs" etc. is unmerited. It is the blanket way in which those words are being applied that I object to. While inevitably there will be some who try to take advantage of the protests and genuinely merit those descriptions it has become all too common for anyone to be labelled as such if they don't subscribe to the notion of unfettered immigration. Some politicians have echoed that rhetoric and the results have been entirely predictable. >The situation in Epping and elsewhere is but a hair's breadth away from that which occurred at Manvers.. I don't think the protests at Epping and elsewhere show any sign of descending into the feral mayhem that occurred at Manvers. The majority seem content to just draw attention to what they see as unacceptable. Specifically, hundreds of single adult males left to their own devices within their communities. Essex Police 29th Aug. “The overwhelming majority of people in Epping tonight clearly wanted their voices to be heard and they did that safely and without the need for a police response." >I think many of us have varying levels of concern about immigration levels, both legal and illegal,.. That's why I try not to use the term 'anti-immigration' because I don't for one minute believe that Joe Public is inherently anti-immigrant. The reality is that they're sick of being dictated and lied to, ignored, insulted and taken for mugs. The worm is turning and the thing that worries me is Newton's Third Law of Politics. >..but my concerns pale into insignificance against those who will fan the flames on the subject >for their own purely political ends. >They have no practical solutions,.. Scare mongering and ineptitude applies to both sides of the political divide but I don't think the apolitical middle ground really cares. They just want to see their concerns taken seriously which they aren't getting from either Labour or Tories. >Genuine asylum seekers need to be treated fairly. Whilst I have some niggling sympathy with economic migrants.. >..and I'd jail the far-right, thuggish rabble if it turned up outside the place of incarceration. ;-) Lots of people would probably accept some of that but I don't think your proposal will get the thumbs up from the likes of Stand up to Racism and Hope not Hate. |
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Sun 31 Aug 25 20:01
What's with all the flags? - Robin O'Reliant
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| If wanting illegal immigrants deported means you are a far right Nazi then that description apples to virtually everybody I know, young, old, male and female. |
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Mon 1 Sep 25 00:15
What's with all the flags? - Lygonos
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Brushing up on my Portuguese. If the gammons win in 2029 I'll be off to the country that has 20% income tax for skilled immigrants! |
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Mon 1 Sep 25 08:44
What's with all the flags? - Kevin
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>Brushing up on my Portuguese. You do know that Chega, the right-wing nationalists, became the second largest party in Portugal don't you? And that Lisbon has seen anti-immigration protesters and counter protesters in their thousands? |
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Mon 1 Sep 25 09:18
What's with all the flags? - CGNorwich
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20% tax would tempt me if the place was run by Ghengis Khan. Illegal immigration and populism are twin issues that are affecting nearly all the Western world. There is no answer to the immigration “problem”. If people are poor enough or conditions are bad enough where they live they will risk anything to find somewhere better. If there was an easy solution like Farage would have us believe somehow I rather think the other parties would have implemented it |
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Mon 1 Sep 25 10:09
What's with all the flags? - Bromptonaut
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>> If there was an easy solution like Farage would have us believe somehow I rather >> think the other parties would have implemented it That. Exactly. The other parties need to develop a common approach to Farage. He's Reform's only asset. You Tube is full of examples of Sara Pochin making a fool of herself by turning up late an totally unbriefed. Tice is just full of bluster without real substance. |
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Mon 1 Sep 25 11:18
What's with all the flags? - Terry
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>> >> If there was an easy solution like Farage would have us believe somehow I >> rather >> >> think the other parties would have implemented it >> >> That. >> >> Exactly. >> >> The other parties need to develop a common approach to Farage. >> >> >> He's Reform's only asset. You Tube is full of examples of Sara Pochin making a >> fool of herself by turning up late an totally unbriefed. >> >> Tice is just full of bluster without real substance. >> Farage has an explicit policy on immigration - like it or not, whether feasible or not! Other parties have a common policy towards Farage and Reform - he/they are a seen as a real threat to established political order and will use any opportunity to ridicule and criticise. But no other party has an explicit policy on immigration. The current incumbents claim compassion for those fleeing persecution (worthy), an intent to smash the boat gangs (quite right), and in their first year have achieved close to zero. They create an illusion of progress through rhetoric and ill conceived action, whilst trying not to upset either side of the argument (they all have votes). Like the Brexit debacle - sit on the fence for fear of alienting anyone.. End result - being judged completely inconsequential. My advice to Sir Kier - get a back bone, establish a clear direction, pursue it with conviction even if it alienates some. It is called leadership!! |
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Mon 1 Sep 25 16:01
What's with all the flags? - CGNorwich
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“Farage has an explicit policy on immigration - like it or not, whether feasible or not!” An unfeasible solution is no solution And there is no policy that will stop illegal immigration in some shape or form short of making the country an even worse place to live than from where the potential immigrant is leaving. |
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Mon 1 Sep 25 17:01
What's with all the flags? - Bromptonaut
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>> And there is no policy that will stop illegal immigration in some shape or form >> short of making the country an even worse place to live than from where the >> potential immigrant is leaving. Are you seriously asserting that immigration will make the UK worse than (say) Sudan, Afghanistan or Iran? |
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Tue 2 Sep 25 09:39
What's with all the flags? - CGNorwich
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No I’m not saying that at all. Simply making the observation that migration will inevitably occur when one country is a hugely more attractive place to live than another. |
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Mon 1 Sep 25 17:05
What's with all the flags? - Zero
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>> “Farage has an explicit policy on immigration - like it or not, whether feasible or >> not!” A policy is not a solution. A manifesto policy is basically a pack of lies, regardless of party. |
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Tue 2 Sep 25 10:09
What's with all the flags? - De Sisti
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>> >> “Farage has an explicit policy on immigration - like it or not, whether feasible >> or >> >> not!” >> >> A policy is not a solution. A manifesto policy is basically a pack of lies, >> regardless of party. >> I wonder if the people flying these flags against excess immigration object when the newcomers are white? |
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Tue 2 Sep 25 10:41
What's with all the flags? - Bromptonaut
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>> I wonder if the people flying these flags against excess immigration object when the newcomers >> are white? The irony is that one consequence of leaving the EU is that migrant labour is now being drawn in from the Indian Subcontinent and Africa rather than (say) Poland and Romania. As well as being non-white those migrants are far more likely to try and stay, legally or otherwise, ans also want to settle family here. |
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Tue 2 Sep 25 22:48
What's with all the flags? - Dave_
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| That's not only happening here Bromp. The Eastern European haulage companies that operate all over Europe (and pay pitifully low wages) are becoming notorious for employing more and more drivers from the Subcontinent, with lower skill levels and much higher accident and incident rates. |
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