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Thread Author: CGNorwich Replies: 69

 Nice Mr Musk - CGNorwich
NIgel seems to have fallen out with his American mate who he thought was going to fund Reform to the tune of $100m and propel Nige to position of power he dreams of.

Never mind Nige there's always Clacton.


www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigeln-farage-elon-musk-reform-b2674035.html
 Nice Mr Musk - zippy
Apparently all because Nige wouldn't let that nice Tommy Robinson in to his party.

With friends like that - who needs enemies?

And a fantastic reason as to why huge donations to political parties from one source should be banned.
 Nice Mr Musk - Manatee
Nigel has his eye on mainstream voters, i.e. Tories. He won't get those if he lets Yaxley-Lennon anywhere near Reform, a stance which has earned him Musk's disapprobation.
 Nice Mr Musk - James Loveless
Musk is a rich man-baby with more money than sense. It was he who cavorted in a childish celebration at one of Trump's rallies. Now he thinks he's a real political heavyweight who can influence others.

The truth is he had no interest in politics (and even voted Democrat) until he suddenly hitched himself to Trump's wagon a few months ago, hoping no doubt to benefit from the president-elect's economic policies. He also has a rather nasty right-wing side-line in gender politics, emanating no doubt from his non-relationship with his daughter (born male), claiming that he had been "tricked" into authorizing trans-related medical treatment for her when she was 16. He says she is dead to him; she claims he emotionally abused her as a child.

That this nasty piece of scum and Trump are buddies (probably only for a while) comes as no surprise to anyone.

Now Musk says Farage is no good as leader of Reform and should be replaced, probably because Farage, mindful of a potential backlash from the voters he is courting, has rejected Tommy Robinson, another nasty piece of right-wing work of whom Musk approves.

The real worry is that there are plenty of voters here in the UK who rather like the sound of Farage, Musk and Trump. It's incomprehensible to me, but there we are.
Last edited by: James Loveless on Sun 5 Jan 25 at 22:05
 Nice Mr Musk - tyrednemotional
"He who sups with the devil should use a long spoon".

Unfortunately, if Farage is astute enough (and in this context I suspect he might be), he may well be able to turn this (his stance on Tommy Robinson) to his political (though evidently not his or his party's financial) advantage.
 Nice Mr Musk - zippy
>>He also has a rather nasty right-wing side-line in gender politics...

I'm simple. I don't care how people identify and I will try and "get it right" but don't want to be castigated / cancelled if I "get it wrong". Everyone should have the right to be who they want to be.

I do have a worry on the subject: There are some nasty people out there who will use gender identity to take advantage of others - on both sides of the equation - politicians etc. to get their own political way and thus harming people that truly are transgender - or people pretending to be transgender to get thrills. Brompt. has posted on another thread that there are existing laws protecting others - I understand that, but will the authorities be too afraid to act - as they were with other sexual crimes and minorities?

This is the sort of thing where some nasty people will take advantage: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14240017/police-forces-multiple-warrant-cards-different-genders.html

Imagine someone like Wayne Cousins having the ability to do that!


>>He says she is dead to him;

BEING A PARENT IS UNCONDITIONAL. (Sorry for shouting.)

Last edited by: zippy on Sun 5 Jan 25 at 23:20
 Nice Mr Musk - Bromptonaut
>> I do have a worry on the subject: There are some nasty people out there
>> who will use gender identity to take advantage of others - on both sides of
>> the equation - politicians etc. to get their own political way and thus harming people
>> that truly are transgender - or people pretending to be transgender to get thrills. Brompt.
>> has posted on another thread that there are existing laws protecting others - I understand
>> that, but will the authorities be too afraid to act - as they were with
>> other sexual crimes and minorities?
>>
>> This is the sort of thing where some nasty people will take advantage: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14240017/police-forces-multiple-warrant-cards-different-genders.html

On the question of people pretending to be trans for the 'thrills' do we have any evidence that men are actually doing it and getting away with it. I don't mean 'women with a willy' who are genuinely trans; surgery is prohibitively expensive. I mean men doing it in a planned fashion?

Mrs B has a friend who is often duty manager at her gym. He's had incidents where women of a Gender Critical persuasion have called out trans people but not the sort of thing we mean here.

The failure to investigate in the 'Rape Gang' cases was far more complicated than reluctance to do with ethnicity. Massive cultural issue with police attitude to the victims was much more of an issue.

If some bloke is jerking off of otherwise indulging in lewd behaviour in female spaces then I doubt there'd be reluctance. They'd have you quick enough for the same offence in male spaces!! The swimming baths in Holborn used to have, and may still have signs warning about such activity.

I'd like to know more about the facts of the multiple warrant cards before coming to judgement.
 Nice Mr Musk - Kevin
>The failure to investigate in the 'Rape Gang' cases was far more complicated than reluctance to do with ethnicity.

Storm brewing about an ex-cop called Dion Miller who says that Gordon Brown sent a letter to all police forces about the grooming gangs telling them not to get involved.

x.com/jomickane/status/1876027126388015571
 Nice Mr Musk - Bromptonaut
>> Storm brewing about an ex-cop called Dion Miller who says that Gordon Brown sent a
>> letter to all police forces about the grooming gangs telling them not to get involved.

Let's see the colour of Mr Miller's evidence.
 Nice Mr Musk - Kevin
>Let's see the colour of Mr Miller's evidence.

Evidence?

None needed. It's Trial by Xitter.

PS. 'Mr Miller' is female (or identifies as one).
 Nice Mr Musk - tyrednemotional
>>
>> PS. 'Mr Miller' is female (or identifies as one).
>>

...but did he/she have multiple warrant cards?...
 Nice Mr Musk - Bromptonaut
>> PS. 'Mr Miller' is female (or identifies as one).

Unfortunately I posted and then went down the Xitter rabbit hole.

My primary point remains that I'll believe it when I see it.

EDIT: it seems the Miller vid is old news that has resurfaced.
Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Mon 6 Jan 25 at 13:46
 Nice Mr Musk - tyrednemotional
Miss Miller is historically tagged as being "extreme right-wing", "an ex-police friend of Tommy Robinson", etc. by t'interweb (which, of course, if I'm to be uber-balanced, may or may not be true).

The comments also don't present any evidence, but reference "A BBC Radio 4 interview" which has never seen the airwaves, containing a comment by Nazir Afzal (ex CPS) about a/the circular (which no-one has apparently seen).

There's no such thing as dangerous as terminal certainty, but given the people involved (Afzal has long-term been an very outspoken proponent of prosecution) and the complete lack of any audit trail of hard evidence, I'll go with the probabilities for now. ;-)

Doesn't seem to have prevented the Twittersphere going into conspiracy meltdown, though.
 Nice Mr Musk - Biggles
No FoI requests have managed to identify a scrap of evidence that the government instructed police forces not to act.
 Nice Mr Musk - zippy
>> >> Storm brewing about an ex-cop called Dion Miller who says that Gordon Brown sent
>> a
>> >> letter to all police forces about the grooming gangs telling them not to get
>> involved.
>>
>> Let's see the colour of Mr Miller's evidence.
>>

I wonder if Dion Miller is in the UK or has more than a couple of pennies to rub together?

It's easy to slander when your either out of the country or are potless - when you're not worth suing.
 Nice Mr Musk - maltrap
In a democracy the majority rule.
The most common boys name last year was Mohamed.
Work it out for yourselves.
 Nice Mr Musk - Bromptonaut
>> In a democracy the majority rule.
>> The most common boys name last year was Mohamed.
>> Work it out for yourselves.

Since pretty much every Muslim boy has Mohammed in one or another of it's spellings in his collection of names I'm not sure that tells us much.

Apparently it unseated Noah.
 Nice Mr Musk - zippy
There were 591k births in 2023. There are no obvious splits between male and female that I can easily find. Assume 50% male = 296k male.

From ONS:

Muhammad is top at 4.7k
Mohammed is 1.6k
Mohammad is .8k

Which I make to be 2.4% of the total of male births and 5.3% of the top 100.

Last edited by: zippy on Mon 6 Jan 25 at 14:15
 Nice Mr Musk - Terry
Mohammed apparently means "praiseworthy" and is frequently given to honour and respect the Islamic prophet.

Look back in the UK over the last 100 years and the top names of boys in the UK also reflects (I assume) either a religious or monarchical association - George, John, Thomas, Christopher, David, Paul. Currently trending upwards are Jacob and Noah.
 Nice Mr Musk - smokie
My take on that would be that Muslims in general tend to be considerably more religion-minded than many other major religions and thus Mohamed and it's variants are names used with a deliberate religious meaning whereas the other names you mention just happen to be popular names, particularly these days (as opposed to maybe the 1950s when religion was more of a thing than it is now) - as I think followers of the religions where those names would be considered for their religious connection are much fewer.
 Nice Mr Musk - Zero
Afraid our autistic ketamine addicted Mr Musk could well be talking his way into a world of trouble. He has upset both sides of the political spectrum in the UK, been likened to a National Socialist in Germany, already had a brush with FartTrump, and is alienating his car buying target market.
 Nice Mr Musk - Manatee
>> Afraid our autistic ketamine addicted Mr Musk could well be talking his way into a
>> world of trouble.

Two malignant narcissists, who were getting along for a while on the basis of mutual benefits - favourable tax regime in return for hefty political donations. What could possibly go wrong?
 Nice Mr Musk - tyrednemotional
>>
>> Two malignant narcissists.......

....enter a third.....

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/12/steve-bannon-calls-elon-musk-racist
 Nice Mr Musk - Kevin
Oh FFS!

Link to Guido Fawkes article.

tinyurl.com/pdrrsus6
 Nice Mr Musk - zippy
>> Oh FFS!
>>
>> Link to Guido Fawkes article.
>>
>> tinyurl.com/pdrrsus6
>>

I wonder if someone disgruntled with Labour at the agency that produced that video chose the soundtrack anticipating the fallout.

Even if this wasn't the case, the agency should be sacked for not undertaking due-diligence.
 Nice Mr Musk - zippy
I wouldn't be surprised if "X" gets banned in the UK / EU.
 Nice Mr Musk - bathtub tom
>> I wouldn't be surprised if "X" gets banned in the UK / EU.

I wouldn't be surprised if Musk gets banned from entering the UK.
 Nice Mr Musk - zippy
I see Facebook are getting rid of their fact checkers.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly74mpy8klo

How long before it goes the same way as "X"?
 Nice Mr Musk - Bobby
Hours I reckon…..
 Nice Mr Musk - Bobby
Mind all the uproar about Islamist preachers in the streets, radicalisation of Muslims, brainwashing etc.

Yet what gone on with Musk etc is not treated the same way yet could have far more devastating consequences.

At what point could Musk be deemed a threat to the country?
 Nice Mr Musk - Robin O'Reliant
>>
>>
>
>>
>> At what point could Musk be deemed a threat to the country?
>>

Ask a Scouser -

www.theguardian.com/football/2025/jan/07/elon-musk-would-be-interested-in-buying-liverpool-reveals-father
 Nice Mr Musk - A View From Ian Hislop - zippy
www.youtube.com/watch?v=diHcpZvBjT0
 Nice Mr Musk - Mapmaker
>> At what point could Musk be deemed a threat to the country?

For what, for telling the truth? For being a threat to Labour politicians’ livelihoods?

I should think the Government are sitting there in Cabinet discussing whether they can ban Twitter. Shoot the messenger, it’s easier than solving the problem.
 Nice Mr Musk - Zero
>> >> At what point could Musk be deemed a threat to the country?
>>
>> For what, for telling the truth?

And what truths, exactly, is he telling. Not sure truths and facts are part of his way of life.
 Nice Mr Musk - zippy
>> >> At what point could Musk be deemed a threat to the country?
>>
>> For what, for telling the truth? For being a threat to Labour politicians’ livelihoods?
>>
>> I should think the Government are sitting there in Cabinet discussing whether they can ban
>> Twitter. Shoot the messenger, it’s easier than solving the problem.
>>
>>

Strange that he wasn't criticising the last lot for exactly the same failing!

There's a lawyer on YT who is the same. Constant criticism of the current lot, claiming it's not political, but was strangely absent in criticising the last lot.

As for telling the truth, the out and out lies that he allows on his website under the guise of free speech is awful.

Remember, this is the person who got upset that some divers rescued the kids in a cave before he could make something to do it and called them podophiles and got away with it because of free speech in America.

Personally, I wouldn't trust a word he says, types or spews!
Last edited by: zippy on Sat 11 Jan 25 at 16:47
 Nice Mr Musk - Mapmaker
Musk will be bored of politics by the summer. Easter maybe even.

Once he realises there’s nothing he can change that will hasten the boredom.
 Nice Mr Musk - Robin O'Reliant
This could be a worrying trend for the future as more and more youngsters get their information from social media sites where the nutters like Trump and Musk can promote easy answers to complex questions -

www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/12/one-in-five-britons-aged-18-45-prefer-unelected-leaders-to-democracy-poll-finds
 Nice Mr Musk - Terry
>> This could be a worrying trend for the future as more and more youngsters get
>> their information from social media sites where the nutters like Trump and Musk can promote
>> easy answers to complex questions -
>>
>> www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/12/one-in-five-britons-aged-18-45-prefer-unelected-leaders-to-democracy-poll-finds

The bigger part of the problem may be that the 20% who would like an unelected leader may each want a different one depending on which influencer or social media provider they rely upon.
 Nice Mr Musk - Kevin
>This could be a worrying trend for the future as more and more youngsters get their information from social media..

It's not the youngsters you have to worry about:

www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/12/fears-for-uk-boomer-radicalisation-on-facebook-after-meta-drops-factcheckers
 Nice Mr Musk - Manatee
FB is so full of AI generated garbage and scam adverts now that its credibility must be crumbling.
 Nice Mr Musk - Kevin
>FB is so full of AI generated garbage and scam adverts now that its credibility must be crumbling.

AI has enormous potential. The Govt. has a cunning plan to make the UK World leaders at filling potholes with it.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crr05jykzkxo
 Nice Mr Musk - Mapmaker
If the Guardian is worried then maybe the rest of us should not be.

When did this place cease being an offshoot of the Telegraph?
 Nice Mr Musk - zippy
>> When did this place cease being an offshoot of the Telegraph?
>>

Spring 2010, do keep up back there MM! :-D
 Nice Mr Musk - zippy
www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musk-foe-escorted-out-of-fed-office-after-refusing-to-resign/

Perhaps this was one of the reasons Musk wanted to be so close to Trump.

The other might be the almost $1 billion that Tesla is holding in deposits for cars that Tesla is not building and are way over due.
 Nice Mr Musk - Terry
Phyllis Fong was appointed as Inspector General to the US Department of Agriculture in 2022, following a career since 2002 in government service.

As such I think her appointment would have been endorsed by Biden. Extensive changes following US elections are normal as many senior appointments are political - unlike the UK where the Civil Service is (in theory at least) is permanent and separated from political control.

That she is fighting dismissal may be entirely reasonable. Whether there is something sinister about it (real not speculation) is questionable - although I think Musk is a mixture of the brilliant disruptive innovator and utterly flawed. I suspect the flaws will ultimately prove his downfall.
 Nice Mr Musk - tyrednemotional
Whether they actually are or are not, the Inspectors General are supposed to be independent of their associated Federal agencies, and are part of the checks and balances put in place after Watergate.

Whilst it is entirely possible to remove them, there are controlled processes required to so, and the argument in this case appears to be that due process has not been followed.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yveml59jlo

Whatever the circumstances, if this is true then, given their supposed function, it should be very concerning.
 Nice Mr Musk - tyrednemotional
...and I'd taken Terry's post at face value, but in fact she was appointed to the post in 2002 by George W Bush (a Republican) and then served under Obama, Trump 1 and Biden successively.

It does make it look rather more like dismantling the checks and balances.
 Nice Mr Musk has full access to Treasury Payments - zippy
www.nytimes.com/2025/02/01/us/politics/elon-musk-doge-federal-payments-system.html

What could he do?

Perhaps glean loads of information on payments to competitors which would be otherwise confidential?

Stop payments?

Divert payments?

Pass info on to enemies?

He's unelected.
 Nice Mr Musk promised self driving won't come - zippy
unionrayo.com/en/elon-musk-self-driving-failure/

Will he be refunding all of the customers who paid extra for the system?

Plus of course the about $1 billion in deposits for vehicles that haven't been delivered for years!
 Nice Mr Musk promised self driving won't come - Terry
>> unionrayo.com/en/elon-musk-self-driving-failure/
>>
>> Will he be refunding all of the customers who paid extra for the system?
>>
>> Plus of course the about $1 billion in deposits for vehicles that haven't been delivered
>> for years!

Has Musk learned from politicians - over promise and under deliver, often the same promises several times over!!

Or perhaps the reverse - politicians have studied the Musk guide to doing business and think it makes a lot of sense.

Raising money from punters in the oldest trick in the game - businesses call it a deposit or investment, politicians raise taxes.

I understand the contract signed made it clear the money paid was a non-refundable reservation fee, not a deposit refundable on cancellation - although there may be other Tesla contracts of which I am unaware!
 Nice Mr Musk promised self driving won't come - zippy
>> Non refundable...

No. These were in some cases over $100,000 for a car. Placed in 2018 and still not delivered.

One UK guy was lucky with £4,000 paid and no car for over 4 years and has asked for his money back numerous times. They promised to repay him but it never happened.
 Nice Mr Musk employs some really trustworthy folk - zippy
To access Govt data...

krebsonsecurity.com/2025/02/teen-on-musks-doge-team-graduated-from-the-com/

A hacker known for leaking info etc.
 Nice Mr Musk Hiding in plain sight? - zippy
Look up the ASCII code for X
 Nice Mr Musk Hiding in plain sight? - smokie
88??
 Nice Mr Musk Hiding in plain sight? - zippy
>> 88??
>>

Favourite number for many VERY far right groups. "H" being the 8th letter of the alphabet.

So 88 = HH -> Heil Hitler.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number)
 Nice Mr Musk Hiding in plain sight? - smokie
I'd always thought that part of the definition of being grown up was having got over having things like favourite numbers. Seems I'm wrong again - or maybe I'm not!! LOL

(Don't you think some of these things are a bit contrived after the event, like some of the imagery that my English teacher was always going on about in Shakey's plays :-) ) )
 Nice Mr Musk is now a hypocrite. - zippy
So Musk is now a hypocrite.

Musk advocates for free speech and was very critical of the UK when people who posted vile messages on social media were arrested last summer.

Representative Robert Garcia recently called Musk a "DICK" and said "What the American public wants is for us to bring actual weapons to this bar fight.This is an actual fight for democracy."

Not particularly nice words, but surely protected by the first amendment. Garcia effectively clarified in the next sentence that the weapons related to the same tactics that the Republicans were using in the House of Representatives.

But Musk has got the US Dept. of Justice to write to the representative to admonish him.

HYPOCRITE!
Last edited by: zippy on Thu 27 Feb 25 at 02:56
 Nice Mr Musk is now a hypocrite. - tyrednemotional
Well, if you want "Hypocrite"......

www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2025/elon-musk-business-government-contracts-funding/?itid=hp-top-table-main_p001_f001
 Nice Mr Musk is now a hypocrite. - zippy
We had an electrician around today to quote for an extractor fan in the bathroom.

Chatting about solar etc. at the same time, he said he said even though they are amongst the best battery solutions, customers have been avoiding Tesla batteries.
 Nice Mr Musk is now a hypocrite. - James Loveless
Musk's wealth has shrunk by $83 billion this year, apparently - equivalent to a 19.2% drop. All in the space of two months.

Tesla year-on-year sales have slumped by 45% across Europe.

All because Musk is an emotionally-retarded businessman who reckons he can make a few extra dollars by ingratiating himself with Trump and pretending to be a politician.
 Nice Mr Musk is now a hypocrite. - smokie
"All because Musk is an emotionally-retarded businessman" - some achievement becoming the richest man in the world with that handicap!
 Nice Mr Musk is now a hypocrite. - Zero
>> "All because Musk is an emotionally-retarded businessman" - some achievement becoming the richest man in
>> the world with that handicap!

He does have ADHD and is some way up the autistic spectrum. I know someone who worked with him on Space X. He is a workaholic, has tremendous drive, some fabulous ideas that he can motivate others with, but his autism gives him no idea of interaction with others, has no concept of how he is regarded by others, no empathy, no idea how to accept criticism and no off switch when it comes to his mouth
Last edited by: Zero on Fri 28 Feb 25 at 14:30
 Nice Mr Musk is now a hypocrite. - Terry
Nice Mr Musk achievements:

- Paypal
- SpaceX
- Tesla
- makes Jeff Bezos look boracic

In a purely objective terms he is exceptionally gifted in business and technology. Zuckerberg, Gates, Bezos, Ellison, Page etc are just one trick ponies!

No wonder he thinks he is unassailably brilliant - can walk on water, or is maybe even the third coming - in the footsteps of the second!!

That he has serious social issues is no surprise.

 Nice Mr Musk over 8k Tesla sales in a day in Canad - zippy
No fraud here, nothing to see. Move along please.

motorillustrated.com/suspicious-tesla-sales-surge-triggers-canadian-government-investigation/149947/
 Nice Mr Musk is now a hypocrite. - Manatee
Objective? By what measures? I don't know Musk, or his contribution to those things. He certainly didn't invent Paypal, although he had a brief spell as CEO early on IIRC.

I consider myself more successful than Musk FWIW - i.e. I'd rather be me than him! But of course if I were him, I'd be different.

Money is really all that's associated with 'success' by the dominant culture in the US, which is what has made the place such a disaster and continues to do so. Once that is taken on board, the behaviour of people such as Vance, who appears to be highly intelligent in the normal sense, becomes explicable. And the behaviour of those at the top of the Republican party who continue to enable him.

Do we think that Trump, or his proxies, haven't shorted the index before he made his latest announcement about tariffs on Canada? Given his obsession with the index, and money, he can hardly fail to have noticed the opportunity.

It's as if the Republican/conservative establishment sees the world as good vs. evil, and via the love of money they have defaulted to evil. Hence the continual migration of wealth from poor to rich, the return of black voter suppression, the abandonment of Ukraine, and general s***tery. They are prepared to risk the world - our world - for money.

Today I shall perhaps motor about the countryside in my little roadster, take some pictures with a new lens I am childishly pleased by, and generally enjoy the lovely weather and the company of my boon companion (wife). Perhaps Musk will have a day off too. But, tycooning being a full time job, more likely Musk will set about ruining another million or so lives because he can.
 Nice Mr Musk - how to make a difference i - zippy
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Feeney

Perhaps some controversial donations but otherwise, seemingly a good egg!
 Nice Mr Musk - how to make a difference i - Lygonos

bsky.app/profile/youranoncentral.bsky.social/post/3ljzucq2lb22m

Good old Trump.

At least he is helping us reverse Brexit but unfortunately without our veto.
 Nice Mr Musk - how to make a difference i - smokie
The comments underneath it suggest it's dubious.
 Nice Mr Musk - how to make a difference i - Lygonos

>>The comments underneath it suggest it's dubious.

Indeed - factfinding shows the area is being renovated.

Damn misinformation!
 Nice Mr Musk - Odometer calculating mileage? - zippy
Apparently the odometers are not "mechanical" but are based on algorithms and the claim is that they are artificially increasing the mileage to avoid warranty claims.


www.carscoops.com/2025/04/lawsuit-claims-tesla-odometers-over-estimate-distances-to-avoid-warranty-repairs/


To be fair, I am sure there was a traditional car manufacturer that had a problem with electronic odometer which would increase the mileage every time the door was opened? Perhaps a couple of decades ago?
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