www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k8kryvdjno
Now his TV career is toast, he clearly has a future as a PR guru.
On the other hand, maybe not.
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Looks he used the same PR team as Prince Andrew.
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I heard his comments this morning with utter disbelief.
The women who spoke out seem to be from the Celeb episodes. Maybe, just maybe, older professional people like Penny Lancaster and Asmah Meir who are not going to damage their career prospects are more likely to call him out.
There's also an 'iceberg' model for complaints. Actual proper complaints are the visible tip and all the other levels of dissatisfaction sit, invisible, below the water.
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SWMBO's furious at his "handful of middle-class women of a certain age" comment. Suffice to say her views aren't exactly PC!
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What does Grommet have to say about it, I wonder?
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>> What does Grommet have to say about it, I wonder?
Was about to ask who is Grommet.
Then I twigged.
Mrs B's brother and my son had a mutual friend known as Grommet which may have sent me off on a tangent....
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>> The women who spoke out seem to be from the Celeb episodes. Maybe, just maybe,
>> older professional people like Penny Lancaster and Asmah Meir who are not going to damage
>> their career prospects are more likely to call him out.
Aasmah Mir (spelled it correctly this time) made the age point herself this morning. She's 56 and isn't bothered what people think Thirty years earlier, starting out on her career, she'd have been more careful for both personal and professional reasons.
Ulrike Jonsson also related a rape 'joke' he'd told after which he apologised.
I wonder if Wallace, having been spoken to, moderated his behaviour for a bit but then fell back into his old bad habits. Seen that often enough in my own career with unacceptable behaviours ranging from fruity language to persistent lateness.
I also think that maybe it's no coincidence that the organs keenest to beat the BBC over this are those in the Times/Sun stable and in particular Times Radio.
Mir's co-host Stigg Abel is a persistent offender on that count.
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There is a bit of punishing for past sins with the criticism of the BBC I think. It's true that, in this case, the programme was made by a separate production company.
It's a small world and I'm in no doubt people knew, both at Banijay and the BBC. But rumours are not formal complaints, and to institute investigations on the basis of rumour would be risky.
There's also the immortal truth that if it's everybody's job to do something, it's nobody's job.
We should not be surprised that people get away with stuff like this for so long. Even people as un-self-aware as Gregg (2 g's, he's very particular about that) make some effort to stay on what they think is the right side of a fuzzy line.
I was intrigued that in the video with the Sun story, somebody was actually recording that and he still persisted in going on about wearing no underpants. That he might just think that was OK might explain why he keeps insisting he's done nowt.
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I kind of understand why these things don't come out immediately and aren't always escalated as they should be, but it's not credible that people at the BBC who could could have acted did not know about this for a long time.
There's a bit of a giveaway perhaps in the Sun story - "Emma [Kennedy] also said the PR team who worked for MasterChef were aware of Wallace’s “problem” behaviour and worried it was only a matter of time before it became public."
It might sound as if I am being wise after the event, but I always thought he was 'cringe'.
If you have any doubt
www.thesun.co.uk/tv/32028042/reported-gregg-wallace-groping-bbc-celeb-masterchef-emma-kennedy/
I don't generally like reality TV anyway, I can't stand all the 'jeopardy' melodrama.
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Read a FB post today quoting Miriam Margolies as saying the nastiest man she ever worked with was Terry Scott, who apparently couldn't keep his hands off any young ladies in his shows and was rude, condescending to those he worked with, thinking himself superior.
I wonder who's going to be the next actress to spill the Heinz 57 ?
Ted
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>> I wonder who's going to be the next actress to spill the Heinz 57 ?
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...well, it's not going to be June Whitfield.....
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>> Read a FB post today quoting Miriam Margolies as saying the nastiest man she ever
>> worked with was Terry Scott, who apparently couldn't keep his hands off any young ladies
>> in his shows and was rude, condescending to those he worked with, thinking himself superior.
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Norman Wisdom was another who was said to have had a "Hands on" approach to his female co-stars.
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Bunch of complaining Karens. There will be another lot next week complaining about some other minor celeb.
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I thought that Masterchef was produced by an independent company so the BBC had nothing to with it apart from buying/airing it?
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>> Bunch of complaining Karens. There will be another lot next week complaining about some other
>> minor celeb.
Think Greg has an account exec position for you in his new PR company.
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Back to being a Greengrocer for Greg?
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Well he missed out on the sausage roll franchise.
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He'll be after you Zero.
He doesn't like the extra and pointless "g" being missed out of his forename.
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He has apologised.
Horses & stable doors come to mind.
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>> He has apologised.
>> Horses & stable doors come to mind.
Apologised for what and when?
EDIT I see he's apologised for the Instagram yesterday.
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So - he didn't do it, and he's apologising for it!
One of those "if you were offended, I'm sorry" apologies then.
Edit - sorry, he's only apologised for the 'old, posh women' comment?
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Apart from being a git and the sort of person you would avoid in a pub what exactly has he done to cost him his livelihood now when he was deemed OK for the last 15 years?
If being obnoxious is a crime then a large percentage of the population at large, let alone celebrities and politicians, need rounding up.
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Wallace's behaviour was standard fare back in the day. Any fresh faced teenager working in a factory had to put up with being groped by men of middle age and older until you learnt to take care of yourself, in the guise of having a laugh. It was the same few men all the time, and I later came to realise these guys were closet gays getting a thrill out of touching young boys up.
And it wasn't just the men, any factory with an all female section was a place where young men feared to tread at the risk of being cornered by a group of married women and having their todgers felt and even debagged. It was always regarded as a right of passage in the same manner as being sent to the stores for a long weight with a punch on the end.
Wallace is guilty of being a dinasour and should have realised that such behaviour is unacceptable today.
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>>It was the same few men all the time
Precactly. It was never "everybody did it". It's somehow ceased to be acceptable to bully or torment people. I suppose that's wokery;)
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>> Wallace's behaviour was standard fare back in the day. Any fresh faced teenager working in
>> a factory had to put up with being groped by men of middle age and
>> older until you learnt to take care of yourself, in the guise of having a
>> laugh.
In the early 2000s I picked a fight at a works conference when a manager was going all out to bed a particular young female junior member of staff, basically getting her drunk and getting reception at the hotel to give him a copy of her room key-card. She was drunk and half passing out and in no position to consent. A like minded workmate and I dragged him out of her room. My manager supported us. The director on site couldn't see a problem with it!!! Manager reported to HR who didn't want to know. Should have involved the police.
I have witnessed numerous middle aged, overweight senior directors use their position to persuade junior females to sleep with them. If these females complained now, I bet the banks would have to pay a fortune in compensation.
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>> And it wasn't just the men, any factory with an all female section was a
>> place where young men feared to tread at the risk of being cornered by a
>> group of married women
Yes, the data entry center / typing pool. 100% women of a certain age. Terrifying!
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>>Apart from being a git and the sort of person you would avoid in a pub what exactly has he done
It's a fair question. And I'd say it's almost beyond doubt that public figures tend to have more of these sorts of 'frailties' than us more retiring mortals.
But he put me off watching MC even before the latest revelations, and I don't think I'm unique.
There must be many more people qualified to present reality tripe than there are people who do it. The man has no antennae. It's so clear from the way he talks to people, even after a lot of editing. And for £400k a year you might has well have somebody unobnoxious.
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The political correctness police must have gotten to it.
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The more I hear about this the more I think he is just a really really obnoxious bloke.
By which I don't excuse him. I've worked with s couple, and had no trouble dealing with them, but they were peers rather than superiors. But that's pretty hard to do when there is a steep power gradient, and more or less tormented people need their jobs.
Wallace should really have been allowed to sink without trace. I'd love to know who was responsible for keeping him in place for so long.
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It is easy to assume the emerging weight of "evidence" confirms his entirely inappropriate behaviour.
It concerns me that a career, income and reputation can be ruined through "anecdotes" going back well over a decade. As such they are well below the standard which would be expected as "proof" - beyond all reasonable doubt.
Those making these claims need to be aware their delay in reporting makes them either complicit (at least partially responsible) for allowing his behaviour to continue uninterrupted.
We should also understand whether either the production company, or the BBC were fully aware of the allegations. If so what action they took to investigate, and why there was no obvious outcome.
Every time the BBC is found lacking in this sort of governance there are protestations that processes are or will be improved. This is evidently not true.
I have no great regard for Wallace although found some of the Masterchef programming instructive in a culinary sense. The celebrity version was an exception - a parade of D listers I had mostly never heard of trying to prop up a failing career.
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>> It concerns me that a career, income and reputation can be ruined through "anecdotes" going
>> back well over a decade. As such they are well below the standard which would
>> be expected as "proof" - beyond all reasonable doubt.
There are multiple individuals who have averred that Wallace's behaviour was outside their norms. Way beyond anecdotes. In employment, as anything else, it's balance of probabilities not 'so sure you're certain'.
>> Those making these claims need to be aware their delay in reporting makes them either
>> complicit (at least partially responsible) for allowing his behaviour to continue uninterrupted.
No, they didn't report it at the time 'cos it might have been a one off. Suddenly others say 'me too' and suddenly there's a momentum.
I'm not sure anyone, whether in Endemol or the BBC, were fully aware. Indeed, if stuff's only come to light now as 'anecdotes' how could they have been?
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Several people did complain at the time, one women went to three people in the production company. Nothing was done in any of the cases.
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We all knew something like this was coming, didn't we?
BBC News - Gregg Wallace’s ghostwriter says he sexually harassed her
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy47dz8yp4vo
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How do you sort out the liars out for some compensation from those that really had an unpleasant experience with him?
And with the author, why wait until now, the best revenge would have been to spill the beans around the time of the book launch.
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Her allegation goes back to a time when she was a young-ish freelancer. She risked being unemployed. She would have then seen the issue swept under the carpet.
Wallace or not many women were subjected to unpleasant behaviour in the past without much hope of their stories being believed. Even if they were it was often seen as “banter”.
Miss Aston is a freelancer and even now a small number of dinosaurs exist. A couple of years ago a famous interviewee made unwarranted (non sexual but inappropriate) comments about her appearance during a pre-interview chat. Afterwards his PA apologised. Would my daughter have raised it as a formal complaint? No way, she wants to work.
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So what is to be done:
- alleging culpability with little clear evidence from a decade or more ago is not acceptable.
- allowing offence to continue unchecked for more than a decade exposes numerous others.
- that junior staff may lack the confidence due to concern over career etc is understandable.
Those at the top of the tree - be it in media. sport or business have power and some will abuse that power.
Taken at face value this means nothing changes - stories will emerge decades after events took place, lots of "how terrible" handwringing, empty promises about how it won't happen again, then back to business as usual.
A fundamental change of culture is required - that covering up is as serious an the offence:
- those faced with such abuse should be expected to report it within say 2 years
- those under 18 should have longer - until they are (say) 20
- those to whom such offence is reported should be accountable for their actions (or lack of)
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>> So what is to be done:
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>> - alleging culpability with little clear evidence from a decade or more ago is not
>> acceptable.
You could say the same of unprovable allegations at any time, which may partly explain why people don't complain immediately. Who wants to be the one who pops their head up when they can't prove it, and they might be the only one? You are aware that even many rape victims don't report the crime ?
>> - allowing offence to continue unchecked for more than a decade exposes numerous others.
I assume you mean the people to whom instances have been alleged? You have exactly the same problem there as you do with the allegations themselves - especially for a single complaint with no other evidence. Wallace was apparently spoken to several years ago by the then responsible BBC executive and told to behave himself. So somebody did something. But, with hindsight, not enough.
>> - those faced with such abuse should be expected to report it within say 2
>> years
Or what? We know why they frequently don't complain at the time, or at least we know it to be very common, even in cases of rape. It's their prerogative to disclose what they want, when they want.
>> - those to whom such offence is reported should be accountable for their actions (or
>> lack of)
Agreed. They may be limited as to what they can do in the absence of proof or a clear pattern of behaviour, but in that position I would feel the need to be able to demonstrate that I had done everything reasonable to follow up the allegations. No doubt that is what various people are trying to do right now.
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>> You could say the same of unprovable allegations at any time, which may partly explain
>> why people don't complain immediately. Who wants to be the one who pops their head
>> up when they can't prove it, and they might be the only one? You are
>> aware that even many rape victims don't report the crime ?
>> Wallace was apparently spoken to several years ago by the then responsible BBC executive
>> and told to behave himself. So somebody did something. But, with hindsight, not enough.
I can understand why individuals may be very reluctant to report rape or other abuse - however if they don't report it how will anyone know or do anything about it. By not reporting it they are knowingly exposing others to similar abuses.
Whether Wallace was actually spoken to by the BBC, and the depth of their investigation is unclear. As you say they did not do enough - but whether their investigations at the time were remotely adequate in the circumstances is unclear.
Making excuses - lots of empathy for the victims, and inadequate (if it really happened) investigation - will not change anything. Either either accept this will be repeated in the future by others, or insist the "greater good" is met by doing something now.
There are many things put off for fear of provoking an immediate problem - addiction (drugs, alcohol, gambling) resolving obvious medical issues, relationships etc. Few if any get better through delay - most become far more intractable.
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>>Making excuses - lots of empathy for the victims, and inadequate (if it really happened) investigation - will not change anything. Either either accept this will be repeated in the future by others, or insist the "greater good" is met by doing something now.
I'm not sure who you mean excusing. I don't think the victims, or complainants if you prefer, need any excuses.
It's pretty clear to me who the common factor is that needs to answer the questions. Elsewhere, I see more people excusing Wallace for his "banter".
You're right this will be repeated. Sadly there are a lot like Wallace, and plenty it seems who are happy to facilitate them.
The ghost writer articulated quite well why she kept quiet at the time:
"Kyle, who was a single parent at the time, had signed a non-disclosure agreement (NDA), before beginning the project.
The NDA said the “writer understands that Wallace enjoys a high public profile and her obligations to him of loyalty and confidentiality are therefore of particular significance".
“I was worried about losing the job,” she said, “because I'd given up all the work for this job. So I thought to myself... I'm just going to try and navigate this, [I’ll] just try and push on through," she said. “It was just really revolting."
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>>Youngish Freelancer...
From the BBC...."Kyle, who was 35"
Miss Z was upset once when a patient tried to corner her on a night shift in A&E when she was training. A quick knee to the groin, stamp on the foot and punch to the face stopped any further advances. She was about 26 at the time.
Two colleagues of hers dragged him off whilst he complained he had just been assaulted, called the police.
Police turned up - took his statement. Asked Miss Z what had happened. Asked the witnesses what had happened, looked at the CCTV and arrested the bloke for CA.
Later he tried to claim compensation from the Trust!!!
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>> And with the author, why wait until now, the best revenge would have been to
>> spill the beans around the time of the book launch.
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Safety in numbers, women in their 20s/30s won't raise this stuff for various reasons, they don't want to end up with a career stopper, blow the whistle in most organisations and you'll be the first under the bus, even if they do complain chances are it'll be ignored anyway etc.
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>> How do you sort out the liars out for some compensation from those that really
>> had an unpleasant experience with him?
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>> And with the author, why wait until now, the best revenge would have been to
>> spill the beans around the time of the book launch.
Sounds a lot like victim blaming. She had signed an NDA and needed the work.
I think a lot of them, especially the named celebrity ones, have come out now to back up the first who were called liars by Wallace, who at best is a humourless, obnoxious, oleaginous reptile.
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>>Victim blaming.
They're not victims until it's been proven.
It's not beyond human nature to jump on the bandwagon. Look at those people who claim compensation re bus accidents even though they were not injured.
Re the NDA: A criminal case would always trump an NDA.
If she felt strongly enough about it she should have complained sooner. Income shouldn't trump justice and by not complaining she has put others at risk - which goes to show the character of the complainant surely - money trumps other peoples safety in her eyes.
I'm not saying it didn't happen, but this has not been tested in front of a jury and so far it's all hearsay.
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What this compensation talk? If someone acts like he's supposed to have, is there a compensation fund zippy?
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>> What this compensation talk? If someone acts like he's supposed to have, is there a
>> compensation fund zippy?
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If it goes to court, I bet some of the alleged victims will sue.
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>> >> What this compensation talk? If someone acts like he's supposed to have, is there
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I doubt it. Sounds more like an urban/pub myth. 'They're only saying that for the compo!'
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>> I doubt it. Sounds more like an urban/pub myth. 'They're only saying that for the
>> compo!'
There are certainly people who 'try it on' to access or increase compensation. Car or industrial accidents where injuries are sustained are one example. Holidays ruined by tummy bugs are another. There was a case reported recently which was defended by the holiday company and the claim was dismissed.
In the Wallace cases where he's done nothing more than being a oleaginous reptile making remarks about how Aasmah Miah's mate was sexy or a rape joke isn't going to get mush compo. If he's gone further and forced himself on women then that might be different.
The ghost writer seems to have signed a commercial NDA not to disclose anything she learned in the course of her work. I suspect that's normal and a means by which the owner of the 'Intellectual Property', Wallace, controlled the final content and closed off attempts for her to sell the 'untold bits' further down the line.
Different kettle of fish to the type of NDA's signed by those payed hush money by Al Fayed and other men who had a sexual assault habit.
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In the Wallace cases where he's done nothing more than being a oleaginous reptile making
>> remarks about how Aasmah Miah's mate was sexy or a rape joke isn't going to
>> get mush compo.
Exactly.
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Wallace, who at best is
>> a, oleaginous reptile.
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Show off.
I’ll try to remember that word and use it in my local pub :-)
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How is that pronounced? I need to weave that into conversation
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oh-lee-adge-innus ?
My first thought was a single four letter word but that wouldn't have got past the filter.
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dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/oleaginous
There press the loudspeaker icon for an example.
It's one of those words that my english teacher insisted we slip in to our "O" Level exam along with ubiquitous and inexorable.
I can just imagine the poor marker having to read through 120 odd short stories with those words shoehorned in and making little contextual sense.
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>> I can just imagine the poor marker having to read through 120 odd short stories
>> with those words shoehorned in
They would have been Ubiquitously Inexorable then
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Isn't the term "Master Chef" inherently sexist?
Then again, "Mistress Chef" causes some worrying mental images.
You could have "Top Chef", but then that suggests there are "Bottom Chefs" as well. Oh dear.
Damn insomnia, I'll try and get to bed now.
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>Isn't the term "Master Chef" inherently sexist?
No more than 'Mastermind' was.
Oh, and 'top chef' would be somewhat tautological.
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Greg Wallace. - sooty123
