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New Fri 29 Nov 24 15:10   Assisted Dying Bill - Zero

Well, married to a retired nurse, I guess my days are numbered...... Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 15:47   Assisted Dying Bill - Robin O'Reliant

I'm pleased it passed. Should I ever have a terminal and painful illness I'll be in the queue. I've seen too many people spending their last months in agony with no quality of life. Last edited by: Robin O'Reliant on Fri 29 Nov 24 at 15:47 Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 15:56   Assisted Dying Bill - Bromptonaut

I too was glad to see it pass. The hard miles start now turning the bill into workable law. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 16:15   Assisted Dying Bill - CGNorwich

I listen to the arguments on one side and I agree wth them. Then I listen to the counter arguments and they are equally valid. I really don't think there is a "right" answer. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 17:07   Assisted Dying Bill - Manatee

It all depends where it goes from here. I didn't enjoy the Liz Carr documentary on Canada, it seems to be on a slippery slope there. If the palliative care is not very good, I can imagine somebody finding a 'nice' way to say "well at least you have another option now". The doctors least in favour of this are the ones in palliative care. I would have left it alone. We know people do in effect get sympathetically knocked off - there comes a point when the amount of painkiller someone needs to be comfortable results in them not waking up. I don't suppose it will help people who can't consent - I remember a dear relative of mine having a stroke, and remaining conscious and aware while she was being starved to death and denied fluid. I hope that doesn't still happen. I appreciate there will be difficult cases. An ex colleague of mine has MS. He will end up I think simply not being able to move. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 17:10   Assisted Dying Bill - zippy

I'm not convinced. I think in a few decades time, we may wonder why there are no more hospices as people with cancers are encouraged to take the "easy" / cheaper option. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 17:28   Assisted Dying Bill - Fullchat

"Well, married to a retired nurse, I guess my days are numbered......" We've been in touch ;) Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 17:51   Assisted Dying Bill - Terry

Completely in support of the bill. It is voluntary - people should have the right to choose. Negative concerns - eg: slippery slope, undue pressure etc - must be balanced against pain, suffering and indignity sometimes endured by those dying. We would not do this to a family pet. We would regard prolonging the suffering of a dying wild animal as unacceptable cruelty. Yet we think/thought it right for granny (or whoever) to be forced spend their final days/weeks/months in this way. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 18:03   Assisted Dying Bill - Manatee

>> We would not do this to a family pet. We would regard prolonging the suffering >> of a dying wild animal as unacceptable cruelty. Yet we think/thought it right for granny >> (or whoever) to be forced spend their final days/weeks/months in this way. You don't give the family pet the option. I don't think it's the same thing. Granny might not want to go, but might not wish to be a burden/deplete the inheritance. I'm sure you've considered this. Then there is dementia which some might think is just an indication for euthanasia. Presumably those without capacity can't give consent? There's a lot to think about. It's hard to say people with what they consider good reasons to die should be denied. But will it even be possible to have satisfactory safeguards? Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 18:09   Assisted Dying Bill - Zero

>> It's hard to say people with what they consider good reasons to die should be >> denied. But will it even be possible to have satisfactory safeguards? But is it right and proper to criminalise those who assist the terminally ill carry out a wish? As we do now. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 21:01   Assisted Dying Bill - Manatee

>> But is it right and proper to criminalise those who assist the terminally ill carry >> out a wish? As we do now. It doesn't feel as if it should be. But if codified would amount to assisted suicide without safeguards, so we'd be better to say yeas to 'regulated' assisted dyeing/suicide instead. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 18:28   Assisted Dying Bill - tyrednemotional

>> >> It's hard to say people with what they consider good reasons to die should be >> denied. But will it even be possible to have satisfactory safeguards? >> Yes, it's definitely a principle vs practice debate. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 18:45   Assisted Dying Bill - Robin O'Reliant

>> >> >> >> Granny might not want to go, but might not wish to be a burden/deplete the >> inheritance. I'm sure you've considered this. >> >> >> There are safeguards to prevent such things. The "Right to die" will only be granted to those with a terminal and incurable illness. Two separate doctors will have to approve the decision and a judge will have the final say. The patient must be considered of sound mind when making their decision so that rules out anyone already suffering from dementia or any other mental illness. Britain's laws will be the strictest in the world and other countries with lower requirements have not seen any problems. The penalties for trying to persuade someone to end their life are quite harsh too, and although there may be cases of pressure being put on people to make the choice I believe they will be few and far between. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 19:11   Assisted Dying Bill - Zero

>> There are safeguards to prevent such things. The "Right to die" will only be >> granted to those with a terminal and incurable illness. Two separate doctors will have to >> approve the decision and a judge will have the final say. The patient must be >> considered of sound mind when making their decision so that rules out anyone already suffering >> from dementia or any other mental illness. And I think the bill says the patient must be able to "administer" the drug themselves. I realise there are many variations and methods of the catch all term "administer" There is no right moral side to this. Last edited by: Zero on Fri 29 Nov 24 at 19:13 Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 19:35   Assisted Dying Bill - Robin O'Reliant

>> >> >> >> There is no right moral side to this. >> I don't consider there is a moral side at all. it is my life, if I chose to end it of my own free will that is my right provided I am in full control of my faculties. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 21:01   Assisted Dying Bill - Bobby

Suicide is always an option if you are in control of your faculties. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 21:11   Assisted Dying Bill - Robin O'Reliant

>> Suicide is always an option if you are in control of your faculties. >> I've known a few suicides. Messy, painful and far from pleasant. Reply to this message | Report message       2

New Fri 29 Nov 24 22:11   Assisted Dying Bill - zippy

>> Suicide is always an option if you are in control of your faculties. >> I remember a conversation with Miss Z when she was training in A&E. She said a suicide came in. The patient was alive, but they had done so much harm to themselves that there was nothing to be done save pain relief. The patient was otherwise conscious, terrified and regretted what they had done. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 22:16   Assisted Dying Bill - Zero

>> Suicide is always an option if you are in control of your faculties. No, its not really, inevitably someone else not involved is affected, usually under distressing circumstances. Reply to this message | Report message       2

New Fri 29 Nov 24 19:53   Assisted Dying Bill - tyrednemotional

>> ......and a (High Court) judge will have the final say..... >> Gilbert & Sullivan's "Lord High Executioner"...? Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 20:39   Assisted Dying Bill - Zero

>> >> ......and a (High Court) judge will have the final say..... >> >> >> >> Gilbert & Sullivan's "Lord High Executioner"...? The baby eating bishop of Bath and Wells? Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 18:04   Assisted Dying Bill - Zero

>> "Well, married to a retired nurse, I guess my days are numbered......" >> >> We've been in touch ;) If I see the just giving page, I shall get worried. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 20:08   Assisted Dying Bill - tyrednemotional

www.justgiving.com/get_zero_done ? Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 20:39   Assisted Dying Bill - Zero

404 - File or directory not found. Phew Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 20:46   Assisted Dying Bill - tyrednemotional

You seem to have missed: "The resource you are looking for might have been removed" ;-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 22:29   Assisted Dying Bill - bathtub tom

When it comes to it and if I'm capable, it'll be towels along the bottom of the garage door, a charcoal BBQ lit inside the garage and the engine running. I'll be on the floor, because it'll be a bit messy inside the car and it can still be flogged for a few quid! Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 22:34   Assisted Dying Bill - zippy

>>and the engine running. I though catalytic converters prevented that sort of thing? Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 22:38   Assisted Dying Bill - CGNorwich

"I though catalytic converters prevented that sort of thing?" My EV certainly does. Perhaps I could just sit in it and wait until it spontaneously combusts. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 22:55   Assisted Dying Bill - Zero

>> Perhaps I could just sit in it and wait until it spontaneously combusts. I can show you where to poke your finger into Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Nov 24 22:56   Assisted Dying Bill - zippy

>> "I though catalytic converters prevented that sort of thing?" >> >> My EV certainly does. >> >> Perhaps I could just sit in it and wait until it spontaneously combusts. >> Would save a small fortune on cremation costs. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 30 Nov 24 09:42   Assisted Dying Bill - tyrednemotional

>> >> Perhaps I could just sit in it and wait until it spontaneously combusts. >> ...maybe lick the batteries for the lithium and you might cheer up enough to change your mind.... Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Fri 29 Nov 24 23:01   Assisted Dying Bill - Zero

>> >>and the engine running. >> >> I though catalytic converters prevented that sort of thing? Makes it a very much longer exercise, but eventually inevitable. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 30 Nov 24 15:56   Assisted Dying Bill - Ted

Tubby, Under the car is a better option. Something to lie on, a few spanners and a loosened exhaust. Make it look like accidental or misadventure. No family disgrace or insurance implications involved ! Ted Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 30 Nov 24 16:56   Assisted Dying Bill - zippy

I should have remembered this earlier - from the pen of Dorothy Parker: Razors pain you; Rivers are damp; Acids stain you; And drugs cause cramp. Guns aren’t lawful; Nooses give; Gas smells awful; You might as well live. Reply to this message | Report message