>>I can readily understand why there is so so little attraction for many in a Tory victory. But this has all the hallmarks of "don't do anything to rock the electoral boat".
You've got it.
They can't do anything unless elected. The 'Corbyn' manifesto I thought was directionally OK but there was just too much in it and nobody believed it, although Corbyn himself was a dud as leader/PM.
I still think there's more substance in the Labour manifesto than the Conservative one, especially if you exclude the gimmicks - and the funding hole is bigger in the Conservative one for sure. I haven't read both in full.
I'm sure there will be new taxes, possibly levies for specific purposes like social care, I hope some levelling up of investment taxes vs. PAYE (with a reasonable tax free allowance so as not to capture simple savings) and new borrowing for investment.
I actually think Labour has constrained itself too much, and more than it needed to. Especially by excluding a return to the single market.
If the growth doesn't materialise it will be a long siege. But it will be worth it if the current version of the Conservative party is wiped off the face of UK politics. If Reform were to replace it at least people would see what they are.
A local farmer I know well asked me yesterday if I will vote for Reform, implying he was not satisfied with the Conservatives. He expressed great surprise that I said my natural choice has always been Labour. It hadn't occurred to him that he could vote for anybody else. Then he surprised me by saying that farmers had generally done better under Labour than the Conservatives. There's nowt so queer as folk. But farmers are driven by hatred of tax IME.
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