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 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - VxFan

Ongoing debate.

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Last edited by: VxFan on Fri 10 Sep 21 at 10:52
 Coronavirus - Volume 37 - sooty123
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58502589

Anyone switched from train to car for commuting? I wonder if there is a switch at all, perhaps train commuters are more likely to have a job they can wfh in?
 Coronavirus - Volume 37 - Zero
Almost certainly, "working in the city". may never return to pre covid levels.

As an aside, I have recently taken a couple of am peak hour road journeys on my "economic barometer" route. That is 7:00am. M25 anticlock J17 to 10. ( I was going the other way)

It was more or less as jammed up with SWOT as badly as I have ever seen it. Its proved to be a remarkably accurate indicator of economic activity over the last 20 years
Last edited by: VxFan on Fri 10 Sep 21 at 10:53
 Coronavirus - Volume 37 - sooty123
>> It was more or less as jammed up with SWOT

SWOT?
Last edited by: VxFan on Fri 10 Sep 21 at 10:48
 Coronavirus - Volume 37 - PeterS
Sheer Weight Of Traffic?
 Coronavirus - Volume 37 - Zero
>> Sheer Weight Of Traffic?

Yer, as opposed to an incident.
 Coronavirus - Volume 37 - Bromptonaut
>> It was more or less as jammed up with SWOT as badly as I have
>> ever seen it. Its proved to be a remarkably accurate indicator of economic activity over
>> the last 20 years

Yup. I'm now back to leaving the car at a P&R on the outskirts of Northampton and using the Brompton for the last mile and a half. Roads pretty much back to normal at usual congestion points like St James' Mill Road. Had to assertively hold my lane on Black Lion Hill due to volume of traffic.

On the other hand the accurate indicator of economic activity here over 30+ years has been the level of occupancy of Northampton station's car park. Not remotely full even at surface level, the steel decking section put up in the early noughties has been closed for months.
 Coronavirus - Volume 37 - Terry
"On the other hand the accurate indicator of economic activity here over 30+ years has been the level of occupancy of Northampton station's car park. Not remotely full even at surface level, the steel decking section put up in the early noughties has been closed for months".

A very clear indicator that transport modes have changed during the pandemic.

Schools are now back, holiday season over - perhaps there is a balance between those now WFH and those transferring from train/bus to car.
 Coronavirus - Volume 37 - Zero

>> On the other hand the accurate indicator of economic activity here over 30+ years has
>> been the level of occupancy of Northampton station's car park. Not remotely full even at
>> surface level, the steel decking section put up in the early noughties has been closed
>> for months.

Same here - prime commuting territory. Strangely however the pensioners special (the first train to london you can use your old persons rail card on) is heaving!
 Coronavirus - Volume 37 - Duncan
>> On the other hand the accurate indicator of economic activity here over 30+ years has
>> been the level of occupancy of Northampton station's car park. Not remotely full even at
>> surface level, the steel decking section put up in the early noughties has been closed
>> for months.
>>

I regularly cycle through/alongside the car parks at Leatherhead for the station and Wates. They look 80% empty!
 Coronavirus - Volume 37 - sooty123
>> Almost certainly, "working in the city". may never return to pre covid levels.
>>
>

Probably not no, I think the genie is out of the bottle with wfh. Few with the choice will go back to the same number of days in work.

I note in the report the tone, it's nearly pleading with people to back into work more and use the train more. I think they'll have a struggle with that one.
 Coronavirus - Volume 37 - Zero
Brexit and Covid will leave a lasting mark on work in the UK. Over time its going to change most of the economy of the uk, from less use of zero hours contracts, wage rates, less reliance on convoluted supply chains and more local manufacture and supply, decline of the city of london and the financial markets within.
 Coronavirus - Volume 37 - smokie
I don't really mix with many of working age now but the handful I'm aware who were office based now have some days at home and some in the office, and they think that is the likely pattern going forward.

I remember an easier working week with more leisure time being forecast back in the 80s when computers were on the rise and it was thought that they would reduce the need for people to work. Alongside the paperless office and that didn't really work out so well though maybe we're getting there now.
 Coronavirus - Volume 37 - sooty123
I know a couple of people that don't have an office to go back to, one the bosses sold/ended the lease, the other has had the office repurposed.
 Covid 19 infection survey - bathtub tom
I've just received an envelope in the post asking if my household would participate. It's government funded and they've offered to pay (by voucher) £50 each for taking a throat and nose swab, then £25 for each subsequent. We could rake in a few hundred over the length of the survey. It's apparently been running since April last year.

We've been doing lateral flow tests whenever we've been out mixing (hospital visits, dental and eye test appointments etc.) for free and would have participated without a bribe. It must be costing the government a fortune.

Anyone else heard about it?
 Covid 19 infection survey - Kevin
Yeah, I was asked if I would take part before the roll-out and told them thanks but no-thanks after reading their Data and Privacy statements.
I don't know if it is still the same but you were giving Imperial College the go-ahead to share all your personally identifiable data with anyone they liked, for any reason they liked, for up to 20 years.
 Covid 19 infection survey - sooty123

>> Anyone else heard about it?
>


Yes someone in family does them I think for the ONS. It was 50 for each test each week per member of the household for months, then it dropped to 25 quid a time. They've been doing them for 12-18 months by now.
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - No FM2R
Peter mentioned Covid tests recently but I can't find it.

Depending on circumstances one needs different tests, different timetable and perhaps different geography and these must be booked before one enters the UK.

gov.uk helpfully offers a list of providers in alphabetical order. And it's s***e.

Firstly the companies are called things like "!! Company" or "##>> Company" or anything else in their fight to be first.

Secondly every entry says something like "tests from £20". To get a £20 test you must be a one-legged, green, one-eyed, resident of outer Mongolia willing to pick your test up at 3:00am in John-o-Groats.

The tests are anywhere from £50ish up to a couple of hundred but you have to visit each site and go through half a dozen clicks to find that out.

I shan't take the risk, but it's all so very irritating that the idea of using any compatible reference number is attractive.
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - No FM2R
BTW, tests for travellers in

Chile £19 and appt required
Spain £40+, no appt required
Austria £0 , walk-in
UK £50+ and registration / appointment required.

You should also check the test you require. If you are able to use an antigen test then do so. Much faster and usually cheaper.

Also check the languages that you can get the report in. The UK will only accept English, Spanish or French. Translations are not accepted. e.g. for travel I cannot use the Austrian free service, I have to pay £15 per test to get the results in English.
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - PeterS
This page on the BA website is a handy summary of where you can get a COVID test form, and the prices. But as mentioned above, it’s a mess. And the possibility in the next few weeks the need goes away for those that have been vaccinated?

www.britishairways.com/en-gb/information/incident/coronavirus/covid19-tests

In terms of the ONS survey, I also know a couple of people who’ve been doing them since the beginning of the pandemic.

It’s now nearly 2 weeks since I returned from France and I’ve had no follow up on my day 2 test. I’m now in Rhodes and, unless anything changes, will need to get a negative antigen test before retiring to the UK on Monday. The hotel is providing them for free, though I haven’t yet asked where I need to go…
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - No FM2R
In the UK currently what is the general mask wearing approach? Actually I am not that sure of the rules either, though I can look those up, but how much and where/when are people wearing masks?
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - bathtub tom
>>how much
>> and where/when are people wearing masks?

Not a lot, but you won't feel out of place (at your age) if you wear one on public transport, in shops and other closed spaces.

;>)
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - Bromptonaut
>> In the UK currently what is the general mask wearing approach? Actually I am not
>> that sure of the rules either, though I can look those up, but how much
>> and where/when are people wearing masks?

Depends which part of the UK.

In England masks are generally only advised. Wearing has declined over last 6 weeks. In local Sainsburys it's now well below 25% with some staff unmasked. One staff member in Greggs was unmasked at lunchtime too. Neighbour suggests there's some correlation between store's target market and wearing; it declined in Poundland long before it did in M&S Food!!

They are still required on London Transport but observance is hit/miss.

In Scotland (and I think Wales too) they're mandated in indoor spaces.
Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Thu 16 Sep 21 at 17:40
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - Manatee

>> In England masks are generally only advised. Wearing has declined over last 6 weeks. In
>> local Sainsburys it's now well below 25% with some staff unmasked. One staff member in
>> Greggs was unmasked at lunchtime too. Neighbour suggests there's some correlation between store's target market
>> and wearing; it declined in Poundland long before it did in M&S Food!!

It's certainly declined, but the boss reports that it's still a majority pastime in Sainsburys, Tesco and M&S Food round here - more so in M&S, which could just be Tring vs. Hemel Hempstead and Aylesbury, or the M&S demographic (we are agnostic as to supermarket and will shop anywhere we can find what we want).

I make a lot of visits to Screwfix and Toolstation, where mask wearing is pretty much nil. None of tradesmen I am currently employing has worn a mask, even at the height of the pandemic, with one exception, the joiner who only stopped when he was double jabbed.

I had a pension trustee meeting today - it was agreed that the December meeting will be a face to face and we will go for a Christmas dinner. or at least a drink. The last time I went to London, in January last year, I brought back Covid.
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - No FM2R
Thanks all.

Sounds like less in the UK than in Chile, Spain or Austria.

In Chile it's all the time, inside or out, unless you are sat down in a bar or restaurant. One needs to put a mask on even if one gets up to go to the bathroom and pretty close to 100% compliance.

In Austria and Spain it is always inside anything/where unless seated in a bar or restaurant and not required outside with a pretty solid 100% compliance.

Mostly people wear the full FFP2 masks, rather than the dodgy surgical mask type thing. Government buildings, museums, stations, airports and the like insist on the good masks.

I get asked for proof of vaccination and/or negative test before entering any bar or restaurant in Vienna, and once today while sat in the food court in Westbahnhof - a city inspector came up and asked for proof and ID.

I think that's a good thing.
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - PeterS

>>
>> I get asked for proof of vaccination and/or negative test before entering any bar or
>> restaurant in Vienna, and once today while sat in the food court in Westbahnhof -
>> a city inspector came up and asked for proof and ID.
>>
>> I think that's a good thing.
>>

In France scanning your vaccine proof was mandatory in all hotels, cafes, restaurants, bars etc. Including when I bought a take-way coffee at a station. Mask wearing widespread unless seated (except on trains of course where compliance was 100%) though a tendency to wear them at ‘half mast’ and not covering the nose. Bit more laid back in Greece…but still a reasonable number being worn
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - zippy
People are still wearing masks to go shopping and on public transport. I am told masks are compulsory on TFL services.

I find the wearing of masks varies. For example at the opticians recently it was near 100%. On a short train journey about 80%. In a hotel 90% in public places. In the supermarket yesterday about 60%, though in the cafe it was about 90%.

Nearly all staff in the retail sectors wear masks still.

At the Weatherspoons in Portsmouth last week almost only the staff wore masks.
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - Duncan
>> I find the wearing of masks varies.

Do you think there is any statistical relationship between mask wearing and intelligence and affluence and education?
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - zippy
>> >> I find the wearing of masks varies.
>>
>> Do you think there is any statistical relationship between mask wearing and intelligence and affluence
>> and education?
>>

Rough figures... from a night out last week....

The Old Custom House Portsmouth about 70% of customers wore a mask. Average customer age - about 50

The Isambard Kingdom Brunel Weatherspoons Portsmouth hardly any customers wore a mask. Average customer age - about 25
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - Terry
Mask wearing around Somerset seems a bit variable.

Many smaller shops still request masks and there is general compliance.

Supermarkets have signs up mostly suggesting/requesting but not mandatory.

At National Trust venue earlier today - mask wearing and sanitiser much in evidence, but their "customer" base is largely 60+

Personally - mask on if it seems most are wearing. Others clearly feel more comfortable or protected if all are wearing and have no desire to offend or upset unnecessarily.

Otherwise not greatly bothered, although I don't use public transport or frequent crowded spaces anyway.
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - No FM2R
>> >> I find the wearing of masks varies.
>>
>> Do you think there is any statistical relationship between mask wearing and intelligence and affluence
>> and education?


Dunno about affluence, but intelligence and education? Yes.
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - PeterS
>> Dunno about affluence, but intelligence and education? Yes.
>>

I still think that age / perceived vulnerability probably has the strongest correlation with propensity to wear a mask now that the requirement has been dropped. It can’t be intelligence, or people wouldn’t be wearing a mask in their own car or in the street, and it’s unlikely to be education as the decline is everywhere.
Last edited by: VxFan on Fri 17 Sep 21 at 03:12
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - Robin O'Reliant
Still mandatory in Wales for shops and public transport. Nearly 100% compliance in this area though some shop workers complain about getting abuse from non wearers. And it is nearly all female staff who suffer it, which says a lot about the types handing it out.
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - bathtub tom
I noticed today, driving instructors and pupils are no longer wearing them. It used to be 100% until recently, I wonder what's changed?

I thought it'd impossible for me to drive in a mask, as my glasses steam up when I do wear one.
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - No FM2R

>> I thought it'd impossible for me to drive in a mask, as my glasses steam up when I do wear one.

My glasses steam up terribly when wearing the 'surgeons mask' style but not at all when wearing a 'proper' one. #1 daughter says the same.
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - smokie
The trick with the surgeon type is to pinch them across the top of your nose to stop air coming out that way.
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - Manatee
>> The trick with the surgeon type is to pinch them across the top of your
>> nose to stop air coming out that way.

It helps but doesn't stop it. Probably works in a warm atmosphere or the conditioned air of an operating theatre but never for me in whatever conditions obtain in the average supermarket. If surgeons had to do operations in Sainsburys there would be some right carve-ups.

I bought some FFP2 masks that are shaped and much better.
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - Zero
>> >> The trick with the surgeon type is to pinch them across the top of
>> your
>> >> nose to stop air coming out that way.

Depends in your face of course, but the best way I found was to take it new from the pack, fold it tight in half at the wire, then a 90 degree fold outwards between your centre fold and the end of the wire.

Still likely to fail in going from cold to warm humid environments tho, I have one mask that works well in all environments (steaming up wise) A silk one with a wolf face, from Akela specialist dog foods. 6 quid each mind you.
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - bathtub tom
Someone told me to put a twist in the ear loops, it sort of works. I presume it puts more tension in them.
 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - Rudedog
We still get misting up in theatres. Only way to stop it is to stick a piece of tape between the mask and cheek to make a seal.



 Coronavirus - Volume 38 - Terry
Also in large part down to temperature. If coming in from outside (or walking down a chilled food aisle) when it's cold, the warm, moist breath condenses on the cold lens surface.

Warm the lens up or live somewhere warmer and the problem is far less noticeable.
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