I see he has died this morning aged 99. That's sad, I liked what I saw of the old boy, and his cheeky (and sometimes maybe offensive) quips.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11437314
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Broadcasting schedules already torn up. No You and Yours on Radio 4. Full on tribute programme being aired and simulcast on 5 Live.
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Will be a tough choice to pick the 50 allowed at that funeral...
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>> Broadcasting schedules already torn up. No You and Yours on Radio 4. Full on tribute
>> programme being aired and simulcast on 5 Live.
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A full afternoon of racing from Aintree scheduled for this afternoon too, I hope they don't can that.
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>> Broadcasting schedules already torn up. No You and Yours on Radio 4. Full on tribute
>> programme being aired and simulcast on 5 Live.
Operation Forth Bridge has kicked in.
The nation will be in mourning from now until the day of the Duke's funeral.
Well apart from on here it would seem ;)
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Damn, I placed my bet with the bookies that Meghan was going to go first.
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Ach its now safe for Meghan to drive through Paris....
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Prince Andrew has now been put in charge of the Duke of Edinburgh Award scheme (female section)
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Sorry, I dont buy this "life of service" guff that now pouring out. Unless you are talking about the number of servants he had.
What was he? A pretty impoverished member of a third rate banished foreign monarchy, albeit very dashing in his fancy Naval Uniform.
Whats he done since? well his own thing really at our expense, oh and insult nearly everyone he has met.
"British woman can't cook" (1966)
"Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaining they are unemployed" (During the 1981 recession)
"If it swims and it is not a submarine, the Cantonese will eat it"
"If you stay here much longer, you'll go slit-eyed" (speaking to British students studying in China)
"You're too fat to be an astronaut" (speaking to a 13-year-old boy who wanted to go to space)
"Do you still throw sticks at each other?" (Speaking to an Australian aborigine)
"It's a pleasant change to be in a country that isn't ruled by its people" (Speaking to Paraguayan dictator Alfredo Stroessner)
His lasting legacy? 3 extremely screwed up sons with some very nasty tendencies who have bruggered up everything they touch.
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>> Sorry, I dont buy this "life of service" guff that now pouring out.
Exactly my sentiment.
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"3 extremely screwed up sons"
Since when did he have 3?
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>> "3 extremely screwed up sons"
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>> Since when did he have 3?
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Charles, Andy & Edward.
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Oh yeah. Forgot about the last one.
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Rest of the family did too.
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>> Sorry, I dont buy this "life of service" guff that now pouring out. Unless you
>> are talking about the number of servants he had.
More or less what Zero said.
Never had to go out to get a proper job to keep his family.
Never had to give any thought how he would get to a function.
Never had to wonder how much the tickets were going to cost him - after tax.
And so on.
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Sad. I liked him and he gave a lot. RIP.
Almost as sad as the terrible news about Meghan's car accident next year.
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I remember him coming to our school in the mid seventies. Something to do with the award scheme I think.
IIRC those of us not involved got the afternoon off.
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>> I see he has died this morning aged 99. That's sad, I liked what I
>> saw of the old boy, and his cheeky (and sometimes maybe offensive) quips.
+1
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Oh gawd, they're at it already with the flowers.
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Aw so what. If it makes them happy then it's harmless and, I think, pleasant.
The world could do with a bit more of that and a lot less of hating everything we don't want to do ourselves.
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All 5 BBC radio channels are simulcasting the same guff now.
And even BBC Alba is carrying just rolling news.
FFS and old man's died. Only so much that can be said.
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LBC made a 'breaking news' announcement and straight into a tribute which they must have had pre-prepared.
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>> LBC made a 'breaking news' announcement and straight into a tribute which they must have
>> had pre-prepared.
All of the news organisations have people who, when things are quiet, their job is to update the obituaries of the rich and famous. It's no good waiting until they die to start scrambling round finding out where someone went to school, etc. etc.
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>> LBC made a 'breaking news' announcement and straight into a tribute which they must have
>> had pre-prepared.
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They'll have been planning for years. I can remember being on standby for DofE to die 15+ years ago.
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Nobody is asking you to do anything. Nobody is forcing you to listen or to read anything.
Some people want to listen to it, read it, write it, deliver flowers, mourn etc. etc.
Why does that bother you or threaten others?
It is far too easy in the current world to be negative and we should stop it. Let others do what they wish to do and stop thinking that they need our approval.
And I include myself in the list of people who need to get better.
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>> Nobody is asking you to do anything. Nobody is forcing you to listen or to
>> read anything.
Threaded view suggests that's a reply to me.
To be clear I'd have no problem if the BBC had cleared BBC1 and Radio 4, as the main national channels, to broadcast tributes etc. What's grating my gears is that the entire BBC network is carrying this guff, even the Gaelic language channel.
Listened to some bits on the radio while running errands in the car earlier. Interesting, but not to the exclusion of ALL else.
EDIT: Which bit of the above deserves a frownie?
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>>EDIT: Which bit of the above deserves a frownie?
No idea and it was *not* from me.
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>> >>EDIT: Which bit of the above deserves a frownie?
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>> No idea and it was *not* from me.
Tight git. Never gives anything away. There I gave you one - now you can give it to brompy.
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I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.
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>> I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.
So that's why you repel women and they all come to me.
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You came over to the dark side some years ago, as well you know.
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>> You came over to the dark side some years ago, as well you know.
Actually other way round, someone on the dark side saw the light
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It doesn't work that way. You married up. Just as so many wish they could.
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>> Nobody is asking you to do anything. Nobody is forcing you to listen or to
>> read anything.
Indeed they are - It is being foisted on us and alternatives severely reduced. We dont need it on all media sources.
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>> Indeed they are - It is being foisted on us and alternatives severely reduced. We
>> dont need it on all media sources.
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Had you counted the channels and entertainment sources available on your TV lately, even on a non smart TV you have something like 30 other channels available on free view. Add in whatever is available on the Internet either from your provider like Sky or Virgin, or the countless other things like Netflix or Prime.
The world is your lobster out there, if you really want to avoid lots of people saying nice things for the little old ladies, Daily Mail readers, and funnily enough probably the Sun and Daily Mirror readers then choose another channel, or even do something other than watch TV, like read a book.
This is 2021 I believe not 1947 or 1952
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>> This is 2021 I believe not 1947 or 1952
Indeed so why is the BBC acting like it is. That is the point.
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>> All 5 BBC radio channels are simulcasting the same guff now.
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>> And even BBC Alba is carrying just rolling news.
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>> FFS and old man's died. Only so much that can be said.
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If you think it's too much now, wait till the boss goes. Best start stock piling books now.
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Oh don't be too hard on the journos, they have to find something to justify their existence like everyone else.
Trump has gone, Brexit has gone and is of no further interest other than to those of us left trying to clean up our little bits of the appalling commercial mess left in its wake, Covid is old news and Strictly Come Dancing isn't on.
The Duke of Edinburgh passing ( God bless him ) is at least something for them to do.
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A few teenage yobs in Northern Ireland attracting some interest.
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A powerful, wealthy, (single and eligible) Quilf now.
Do you think if Charles, Anne, Andrew or Edmund mind if I ask their mother for a date?
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You got no chance after revealing on here you have worn lounge pants for the last three months.
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...that was in advance mourning, Z....
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>> ...that was in advance mourning, Z....
That was a morning that went on for three months.....
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...well, the others might be debatable, but Andrew would probably be OK with it (no sweat).......
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I think he did a decent job, taken all round. He would have been less entertaining had he been the perfect diplomat. And he did his duty, 22,000 'engagements', the support for charities including WWF, DoE awards, and earned some respect for his personal achievements.
Given that he married the Queen, what should we have expected?
Can't blame him for the slightly fawning TV coverage.
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"I think he did a decent job,....."
I agree; a decent, straight-talking bloke, and refreshingly un-woke.
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Its going to be interesting at the funeral, Is Harry coming over for the funeral? Bringing Meghan with him?
Intrestin times wot!
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Alternative Daily Mail headlines ready to go -
1. Why Meghan Markle's presence at the funeral is an insult, designed to overshadow a somber occasion.
2. Why Meghan Markle's absence from the funeral is an insult, designed to overshadow a somber occasion.
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>> Its going to be interesting at the funeral, Is Harry coming over for the funeral?
>> Bringing Meghan with him?
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>> Intrestin times wot!
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Easy cop out. She is pregnant so will stay at home.
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The blue who enquired about the colour of her baby will be there, but he wont be saying anything
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>>the support for charities including WWF
I couldn't see how shooting that tiger was justified.
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Wonder if this old harridan has any words of condolence....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUlj48Rvp1c
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I'm not really a republican or anti-royalist, but the reverence the media has for them in general is a bit "yesterday" watching Nicholas Witchell speaking in lowered fawning tones about them was really laughable. As a nation we need to move on.
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Move on? He only died yesterday!
He was a major public figure with a varied career spanning many generations and known (and respected) across the world.
Like it or not, we are still have a monarchy and all the trappings which go with it (which I know work different ways for different people). That includes a period of national mourning and appropriate coverage when a VVIP dies.
The BBC approach may seem a bit old fashioned but that's their job, which IMO they do very well, even though I didn't watch much. I don't think laughable is a good description. Your fawning is someone's else's respectful.
25 years ago I did think the Diana thing was way overboard but I respected the fact that others felt differently.
As mentioned somewhere above, there is plenty of stuff to do these days other than watching TV and getting offended.
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"Public to refrain from leaving floral tributes"
Said Buckingham Palace (and me).
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Move on...in general, not specific, terms.
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Unfortunately the pubs are still closed so I can’t raise a pint in his memory.
Actually I can....I’ve a barrel of beer in the garage, it’s conditioned today and a bunch of friends arrive this afternoon to try and demolish it.
I’ll be at the gym Monday 8AM before catching the train to collect new wheels...far too much socialising in my life to worry about excessive media coverage of P the Geeks demise.
The only thing I watch on TV is an early evening programme about crew and customers on a nice yacht swanning around in the Med.
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I my POV is he did a pretty good job as consort given the constraints.
Though he did a worse job as a father. Charles/Camilla/Di, Andrew!, pushing Edward into the marines.
As for the TV coverage, I'm normally a TV always on person, but fed up already and will find something else to use up my time, like washing a very filthy SMax.
Nicholas Witchell is ghastly (I think Charles said that at Klosters about 20 years ago.
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Enough already! Takes up about 95% of today's Telegraph, plus a hefty special supplement.
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...which is a great improvement on the usual content.....
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Yesterday listening to LBC they repeatedly stated that people shouldn't attend Buck Palace to lay flowers due to Covid restrictions.... then immediately cut to their reporter who was interviewing said flower bringers!
Talking to one lady who said "Yes his death is very sad... and a total surprise".. WTF where has she been!!
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This awful and irritating use of the present continuous tense on Sky News:
Prince Philip Dies.
We'll he's dead. Please adjust your banner.
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Ever thought of checking why newspapers use the present tense for past events (Titanic sinks! etc.)? The reason is to give a sense of immediacy.
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But people of little consequence get a past tense.
Trucker dead. Hooker dead. Celebrity dead.
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>> Ever thought of checking why newspapers use the present tense for past events (Titanic sinks!
>> etc.)? The reason is to give a sense of immediacy.
So why not "Titanic Sinking".
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>> So why not "Titanic Sinking".
It's not the reported event, it's a process that ends in the event.
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>> Move on? He only died yesterday!
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>> He was a major public figure with a varied career spanning many generations and known
>> (and respected) across the world.
Rubbish, the rest of the world though he was a rude disrespectful old dinosaur. He was a National Embarrassment.
The global comments are just diplomatic protocol aimed at the queen.
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>> Rubbish, the rest of the world though he was a rude disrespectful old dinosaur. He
>> was a National Embarrassment.
Spoken to them all, have you?
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>> Spoken to them all, have you?
I see that POTUS has described Prince Philip as a ' Regular Guy'.
Couldn't agree more...
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>> >> Spoken to them all, have you?
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>> I see that POTUS has described Prince Philip as a ' Regular Guy'.
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>> Couldn't agree more...
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The Current one? He didn't say that about his uncle when the IRA murdered him. He hates the family. Two faced git
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>> The Current one? He didn't say that about his uncle when the IRA murdered him.
>> He hates the family. Two faced git
What did Biden say about Mountbatten's death?
Google's not producing any relevant results.
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>> >> The Current one? He didn't say that about his uncle when the IRA murdered
>> him.
>> >> He hates the family. Two faced git
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>> What did Biden say about Mountbatten's death?
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>> Google's not producing any relevant results.
He was a member of the house committee on Northern Ireland that repeatedly condemned the UK, and announced they would fail to condemn the IRA for Mountbattens death.
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>> He was a member of the house committee on Northern Ireland that repeatedly condemned the
>> UK, and announced they would fail to condemn the IRA for Mountbattens death.
So not something he said personally, just that he was a member of the Congressional Friends of Ireland who thought the Brits were making a hash.
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>> So not something he said personally, just that he was a member of the Congressional
>> Friends of Ireland who thought the Brits were making a hash.
No he was a primary driver because of his so called"family" connections, and institutionally hostile to the point of advocating sanctions.
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When? Mountbatten died in 1979, the Friend of Ireland started in 1982 (or 81 ish) and Biden wasn't really involved until 84 and wasn't particularly significant in that group until the early 90s.
He, like all politicians everywhere, was no doubt playing politics and trying to be all things to all men with an eye on the closest and largest groups ever since he got into the game.
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>> When? Mountbatten died in 1979, the Friend of Ireland started in 1982 (or 81 ish)
>> and Biden wasn't really involved until 84 and wasn't particularly significant in that group until
>> the early 90s.
I think there was some precursor before the group formed in 82.
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There have been several Irish flavoured UK hostile groups around the floors of congress since 75, that since made congressional committee.
Its all driven by some tenuous idea of "heritage" not unlike the mafia.
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>> No he was a primary driver because of his so called "family" connections, and institutionally hostile
>> to the point of advocating sanctions.
Probably applies to most of them. Friends of Ireland isn't going to be a magnet for Americans of a Unionist persuasion - if such a beast even exists.
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>> Probably applies to most of them.
Yeah but not all one them made Veep then POTUS
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>> Yeah but not all one them made Veep then POTUS
It's not a crime for Irish Heritage Americans to be supportive of a united Ireland and the Nationalist side in the Troubles. You'd expect them to be against the Brits.
Being squeamish about condemning terrorism, including the murder of Mountbatten, is perhaps a misjudgement. But not all that surprising in the context of the times.
And of course it looks as though the whole thing's going backwards now.
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Seems its mostly driven by ex Loyalist paramilitaries who turned to organised crime and are upset at a major PSNI crack down on the criminal element.
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They'll be fine when they find another racket to fill their pockets.
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>> >> Yeah but not all one them made Veep then POTUS
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>> It's not a crime for Irish Heritage Americans to be supportive of a united Ireland
>> and the Nationalist side in the Troubles. You'd expect them to be against the Brits.
Politicians in a global super power shouldn't be acting like they're in a banana Republic. Although perhaps they were just ahead of their time.
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>> Being squeamish about condemning terrorism, including the murder of Mountbatten, is perhaps a misjudgement. But
>> not all that surprising in the context of the times.
Perhaps a misjudgement, a phrase you could you use for all manner of sins.
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No only going by comments from the peoples of the world he has insulted, I am sure there are some he hasn't - Not many of them tho
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>>Rubbish, the rest of the world though he was a rude disrespectful old dinosaur.
Isn't there some island that regard him as a god?
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>> Isn't there some island that regard him as a god?
Caught a bit about it early doors on the radio this morning.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip_Movement
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>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip_Movement
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I wonder what he killed with the nal-nal.
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>> The BBC approach may seem a bit old fashioned but that's their job, which IMO
>> they do very well, even though I didn't watch much. I don't think laughable is
>> a good description. Your fawning is someone's else's respectful.
Fab comment. "I haven't watched it but I'll tell you you are wrong anyway"
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>>The BBC approach may seem a bit old fashioned but that's their job, which IMO they do very well, even though I didn't watch much. I don't think laughable is a good description. Your fawning is someone's else's respectful.
I want to agree, it's a bit like wearing a suit to a wedding or not swearing in the presence of your grandma. Not everybody requires it but it can't be wrong and offends no one to confine one's remarks to sympathetic, respectful and complimentary contributions, at least until after the funeral baked meats have been cleared away.
That said the BBC seems to be stuck in the 1950's, to the point where younger folk (say, under 60) might mistake it for satire. Their SOP has hardly changed at all since this article in 2001 - it could have been written last week if the DoE was substituted for HM the Queen Mother -
www.theguardian.com/media/2001/aug/13/mondaymediasection.themonarchy
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>>That said the BBC seems to be stuck in the 1950's
There are different parts of BBC content management. Parts of it are, as you say, stuck in the 50s and other parts are driven to compete for attention with the tabloids.
It depends whether you get the part of the BBC which believes it is part of the establishment entrusted with the nation's tradition and integrity, or the newer part driven by newer heads to grab their share of all viewers/readers, not just the ones that they approve of.
I'm not explaining it well, but hopefully you get the point - both parts co-exist.
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>>both parts co-exist.
Yes, look at BBC3 - no don't. I meant in its handling of the Prince Philip news. The bit I caught of Nicholas Witchell was so sycophantic that it couldn't really have been taken seriously as sincerity.
I think the 20 year old Guardian article probably has it right - those in charge when it happens want above all to avoid being wrong in their response. To be fair it wasn't just the BBC.
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The media have seriously got this one wrong. Newspapers arrive two hours late this morning because the print was delayed owing to all the Phillip articles being included. This caused chaos for us as we have around 150 deliveries so the phone never stopped ringing and both the delivery customers and the ones who came into the shop were less than happy. The big topic of conversation was the amount of coverage on the BBC particularly and also ITV and without exception everyone thought it was way over the top how virtually the whole network was given over to the Duke and all regular programs were dropped. And bear in mind most of our customers are 40+, not young revolutionaries.
The Beeb has a rolling 24 hour news channel which is available free to air for everyone, why they needed to use both main channels to show exactly the same pictures all night long is without explanation. The radio was no better, normal music shows on R1 and R2 scrapped today and yesterday for the same reason. R4 is for news, the other stations for entertainment.
Probably no more than ten to fifteen percent of the population take any more than a passing interest in the story, the rest of us are bored stiff with it. God help us when The Boss goes.
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>> The media have seriously got this one wrong. Newspapers arrive two hours late this morning
>> because the print was delayed owing to all the Phillip articles being included. This caused
>> chaos for us as we have around 150 deliveries so the phone never stopped ringing
>> and both the delivery customers and the ones who came into the shop were less
>> than happy.
Same here, I went for my shift in the village shop about 7 and the papers came about 9.20. Smiths, who supply, said 2 hours delay so we posted on the FB sites of the 2 villages we serve and forestalled most of the customers. Had a very quiet time as a result. I don't like FB but it has become the village pump where I live.
We were told there'll be a delay tomorrow as well. I only do Saturdays.
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We don't open Sundays, thankfully.
It was remarked this morning that having lived to 99 and ten months the old boy could have hung on for one more day and given us a break.
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I've had LBC on in the background whilst I crawl about 'deep cleaning' the motorcycle.
ENOUGH!! Every presenter has been totally focused on the Duke. Finding anyone and everyone to give an angle. Apparent first hand knowledge of how those close are feeling, what they are doing and how proceedings will progress. Ultimately pure speculation or stating the bleeding obvious. Sheila Fogarty was particularly nauseous.
I've even had to change stations. Ive found some local football and I dont like football.
Sunkthorpe as it happens:)
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I'm genuinely surprised how many people can't seem to avoid this story. You'd think it was the 70s with a couple of TV channels and three radio stations.
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>> I'm genuinely surprised how many people can't seem to avoid this story. You'd think it
>> was the 70s with a couple of TV channels and three radio stations.
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That isn't the point. This stuff dominated the most watched TV channels where people are follow series or shows and on the most listened to radio station. It's all very well saying chose one of the many other channels but most TV viewers have no interest in 90% of their content.
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"This stuff dominated the most watched TV channels......"
The BBC has probably gone OTT as a reaction to the compete pig's ear that they'd made of covering the Thames Diamond Jubilee Pageant.
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>> That isn't the point.
It is exactly the point.
This stuff dominated the most watched TV channels where people are
>> follow series or shows and on the most listened to radio station. It's all very
>> well saying chose one of the many other channels but most TV viewers have no
>> interest in 90% of their content.
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Think of it as a chance to try something new out. Or don't watch TV at all. Plenty of others things to do.
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>> Think of it as a chance to try something new out. Or don't watch TV
>> at all. Plenty of others things to do.
There are always "Plenty of other things to do" but many people chose to watch TV instead, and when 1, 2 and the news channel are showing exactly the same stuff they not surprisingly get P'd off about it.
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I don't want to watch it, but I am not capable of changing channel or finding something else to do so it must be stopped. And since it is too late to stop it I want to whine about it.. waah waah waah.
FFS.
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>> I don't want to watch it, but I am not capable of changing channel or
>> finding something else to do so it must be stopped. And since it is too
>> late to stop it I want to whine about it.. waah waah waah.
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>> FFS.
You were not here, There was a point where for 10 hours EVERY ONE of the major channels (duplicated on BBC1 and 2) had uninterrupted non stop coverage. BBC even took some channels off air. Ditto radio. Most people in the UK have now commented adversely about the coverage
So stop lecturing US from 7000 unaffected miles away
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>Most people in the UK have now commented adversely about the coverage
33.32 million people have complained? Well, that's overwhelming. Mind you, the whining certainly sounds like that many people doing it.
>So stop lecturing US from 7000 unaffected miles away
What has my location got to do with it? And it's 7,249.
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>> What has my location got to do with it? And it's 7,249.
Sorry - you were making so much noise it seemed closer
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>> You were not here, There was a point where for 10 hours EVERY ONE of
>> the major channels (duplicated on BBC1 and 2) had uninterrupted non stop coverage. BBC even
>> took some channels off air.
That's my gripe. I accept that there's a cohort for whom the history etc is important or at least of interest. When I came home from Mrs B's birthday meal at the pub in 2002 to find the Queen Mother had died I was fine watching stuff about the abdication etc.; it was an intersting peep into the lives of my Mum's generation.
But why did it need to stop my Friday routine of watching the Gaelic drama Machair; starting a new series on 9 April?
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I guess that Channel 4 got it about right. We had plenty of recorded stuff to fall back on. In reality the Beeb should have run the DofE coverage on its news channel and left the BBC1&2 schedules as they were. They could have used the BBC4 channel for scheduled programmes if they so wanted, but Auntie knows best. What is the point of having some reported freezing his or her t**s off outside Windsor castle for hours on end.
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>> >> Think of it as a chance to try something new out. Or don't watch
>> TV
>> >> at all. Plenty of others things to do.
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>> There are always "Plenty of other things to do"
good time to go do them then.
but many people chose to watch
>> TV instead, and when 1, 2 and the news channel are showing exactly the same
>> stuff they not surprisingly get P'd off about it.
No, I suppose not surprising, people always find something to moan about.
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I was extending the alarm to cover the garden shed (DAYL warning from PCSO) so missed some of the TV & Radio coverage.
Do you think they'll repeat it later?
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>> Do you think they'll repeat it later?
Alas it won't all be on Iplayer
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>>I've even had to change stations.
No SOTS this morning, I resorted to gold.
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Anyone her doing census work ? Someone I know is and was informed not to do any today, (door knocking perhaps) between 12:00 and 13:00.
I told her I should think not. At 12:00 it was Football Focus.
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>> Anyone her doing census work ? Someone I know is and was informed not to
>> do any today, (door knocking perhaps) between 12:00 and 13:00.
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>> I told her I should think not. At 12:00 it was Football Focus.
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It’s worse than that. All census staff were recalled from the field when the announcement was made yesterday, as all government employees were told to stop work as a mark of respect. I can imagine what the Duke would have to say about that... They were also told not to work between 12:00 and 13:00, though they’d be paid if they were rostered to work. And the same applies for the day of his funeral. Which seems an extraordinary overreaction on the part of the civil service.... Especially as census staff were out on Good Friday, Easter Sunday and Easter Monday. Which seems rather more insensitive, even to an atheist...
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Thanks for clarifying. My friend is doing census work ‘out in the field’ whatever that is, yet worked over the Easter Hols.
I’ll ask her tomorrow what her work entails.
She wasn’t best pleased and thought her employer was taking the pithe.
Except her employer doesn’t have a lisp.
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I thought this census was online only? And why do they need to count the grass?
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I didn't know the census people had stopped working. I had an issue that needed me to contact them on Friday night - I used the web chat and although it took a little while, they answered up ok, so those guys were working then.
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Despite being an online census there’s a very large number of people indeed working to follow up on properties that didn’t, couldn’t or wouldn’t do it online. I don’t suppose it adds much to the validity of the data though!
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I think in these current online, racked and charted times, the idea of a physical count is past its sell by date.
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>> I think in these current online, racked and charted times, the idea of a physical
>> count is past its sell by date.
Are you sure?
Online is not representative of the population as a whole. I'm not sure what 'racked and charted' even means never mind whether the racks and charts are an accurate record comparable to those in previous years.
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>> Online is not representative of the population as a whole. I'm not sure what 'racked
>> and charted' even means never mind whether the racks and charts are an accurate record
>> comparable to those in previous years.
So you really think there are Jedi Warriors? You think its accurate? I told them to bog off when they wanted to know my sexual orientation - so did most people. You think the power that be can't get all the information required from existing databases?
A census - certainly the one just gone - is very very poor value for money and of limited use and as it was conducted mostly on-line probably completely untrue.
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A (relative) handful in 2001 and 2011 answered the religion question in a jokey way. In doing so they created a minor ripple in those for whom religion was other? The point, almost certainly recorded with reasonable degree of accuracy, is the drift away from the Church of England.
This year nationality 'other' will have a lacuna where people state European as an act of revolt against Brexit. Doesn't prevent the headcount and data on most other things being useful from the point of view of informing policy.
Why worry about telling them you're straight (or whatever)?. Nothing will be disclosed that link that back to you until you and anyone in your household is long dead. Only about now is paperwork from censuses in the early 20th Century being disclosed.
This year's is likely to show changes influenced by pandemic/lockdown.
If you don't do a headcount type census how do you gather information for policy etc making?
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>> If you don't do a headcount type census how do you gather information for policy
>> etc making?
Ooo lets see. The annual declaration for council tax, maybe your NI number, births and death certificates, as I said, no need for a census.
Ask yourself this. Is there anything the gov learned about you or your household they didnt already know?
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Because we are paranoid in this country about civil libertires, privacy and rights we have one of the most clunky government statistics and information systems in the developed world.
We seem to have separate largely non-interfaced databases covering:
- nationality, immigration and residency
- driving licences
- health care
- tax and national insurance records
- housing and addresses
- employment
- probaby some more I haven't though of
No surprise that we need a census to understand what is going on where in this country.
No surprise either that when it came to covid test and trace our efforts were a shambles compared to other countries in the far east where civil liberties means saving lives not hiding data.
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>> If you don't do a headcount type census how do you gather information for policy
>> etc making?
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I don’t think the census will add anything useful from a policy making perspective, and I say that having spent some time in the last couple of months talking to the ONS area team for the South East.
Firstly COViD means that very little activity has taken place pre census to encourage people to participate. The activity that has taken place has followed a predictable civil service approach, which is to ‘reach out’ to councils and local authorities, who in term have engaged with parish councils and the like. But that approach is only going to reach those who’d have completed the census anyway...
The ONS perception is that the elderly and disadvantaged will have been missed out in the online approach. The reality is they’ve almost all managed, either directly or by asking friends/families to help, to complete a return. And don’t forget that COvID has pushed people online to keep in touch with family and friends far more effectively than any government campaign could have done.
The sections of society that haven’t engaged are certain ethnic groups, who are either distrusting or government, don’t understand the purpose of and see no point in engaging with the census. And knowing more about them might be useful. But they were not targeted pre census, little effort went into recruiting people who spoke the languages (though Welsh was covered...) and no work at all has gone into tackling it after census day.
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The 'hidden' population and those who's lives revolve around non conformism and sticking two fingers up at the establishment whilst accepting all it has to offer.
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The ONS also thinks this could well be the last census; there’s so much data out there that the purpose is somewhat unclear. Back in the olden days it made sense, but now not so much.
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I was involved in door knocking at the 2001 census.
It was very interesting to visit so many multi million ££s homes.
Sorting out " my neighbour said " rubbish, regular lies on forms, if its got a roof on it ( a building site) then the form must be completed.
e.g. Is it one property or two? The form says one but there are two door bells, one for the house and one for the flat ????
e.g I said "I know who lives here." looking at a car with a cherished no plate with initials MG.
Gate keeper denied it but it was the home of one of a well known trio in the pop scene.
Quite a few arrogant folks but most were civil.
I was well paid to chase and chase up some folks.
Gated small enclaves were the worse to deal with.
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I had to ring up the survey people, they seemed pretty helpful. Slightly odd that, although they sent me a letter the property didn't come up on any database and had to be created. I guess these things happen when dealing with millions of homes.
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I too had a role in the 2001 census...I’d just moved to the area and it seemed a good idea both to earn some beer tokens and discover the area.
I was forewarned at a meeting about a couple of obnoxious people. Their reputations preceded them.
One truly was obnoxious. An awful piece of work, self important, councillor, born and bred local, treated everyone like dirt. Twice I got a mouthful of the most awful abuse for knocking on the door and disturbing TV viewing. I held my breath.
After the census I returned and gave the person both barrels, full blast foghorn nose to nose. And did so once afterwards in the street so we were even.
My friend is being paid in full to not do her census work next Saturday.
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I had a role in 2011 - it was great, ticking the wrong box, I ended up working a 40 hour week on foot in Bangor (mainly)...enjoyed almost every minute, walked miles in good weather, met mostly decent people. Got invited to do a follow up survey the month after. Mainly in Llanberis, wandering the hills like a lost poet, listening to cuckoos at one point. I was fitter at the end than I'd been for a long time.
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>>That said the BBC seems to be stuck in the 1950's
as does his choice of final wheels.
'Just stick me in the back of a Land Rover and drive me to Windsor'
He will only get a few yards down the hill.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9457825/Just-stick-Land-Rover-drive-Windsor-Prince-Philip-granted-wish.html
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The first 28 pages of todays Telegraph are still all Duke of Edinburgh, most of which appears a rehash of whatever has already been said repeatedly on BBC...
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>> The first 28 pages of todays Telegraph are still all Duke of Edinburgh, most of
>> which appears a rehash of whatever has already been said repeatedly on BBC...
I don't think so.
They obviously made sure that you received the plebeian edition of The Telegraph today.
My version has the first eight pages devoted to the death of the monarch's spouse. Then page nine starts with another piece about Coronavirus and so on.
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You still reading the paper version Duncan? How very quaint :0).
I receive my Telegraph online and as stated above the first 28 pages were headed and about D of E, 29 to 45 were about Coronavirus.
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I will refer you to the second sentence of my post.
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The pages on the online app version are individual articles. There are several articles per page in the newspaper.
8o)
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For a group of people who are, in the main, professing such disinterest in a subject, you'd have to say this thread has thus far produced an ironically high post and view count...
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>> For a group of people who are, in the main, professing such disinterest in a
>> subject,
One could not escape the subject. Even now one is frequently reminded about it tens of times a day.
Annoyance and disinterest do not co-exist.
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Oh, I don't know so much, I quite often catch myself, in an unguarded moment, inadvertently reading things that manage very well, to be simultaneously annoying and uninteresting.
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>> Annoyance and disinterest do not co-exist.
They most certainly do. And very often, also.
A disinterested person is someone who has no stake in the proceedings. An uninterested person is someone to whom the proceedings are of no concern.
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Good work Zero.
Don't you think they'll notice that they're all from the same email address though?
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>> Good work Zero.
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>> Don't you think they'll notice that they're all from the same email address though?
Maybe but I spoofed it with someone else's. I expect Mark to be swamped with replies.
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Just walked up the road to post a letter.
The Parish noticeboards are covered with what looks like a cut up bin liner. An attached notice says this is a mark of respect to the late Duke.
WTAF?
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Well, I guess that shows us a couple of things;
1) There are some very strange people in this world
2) Not everybody hated the BBC coverage.
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>> Well, I guess that shows us a couple of things;
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>> 1) There are some very strange people in this world
>> 2) Not everybody hated the BBC coverage.
A question on the village FB page got a reply that it was a government 'dictat'.
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I wouldn't bet my life against it, but it doesn't sound very likely. Local council at worst, I should think.
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>> I wouldn't bet my life against it, but it doesn't sound very likely. Local council
>> at worst, I should think.
I thought that too. It's a Parish Council with the expected collection of skills and aptitudes :-)
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I wouldn't be so sure, our home page intranet has had nothing from the announcement of his death, with a note they'll be nothing new until after his funeral. No news announcements, scrolling news, any new info etc.
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>> I wouldn't be so sure, our home page intranet has had nothing from the announcement
>> of his death, with a note they'll be nothing new until after his funeral. No
>> news announcements, scrolling news, any new info etc.
That does not surprise. I bet it's the same in MoJ.
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A healthy antidote to all the quivering outpourings:
Guardian comment - Headline: "The tributes to Prince Philip have revealed so much – about other people".
"... neither royal fans nor royal detractors care entirely selflessly about what the royals want. Emotions are for us, not them. They are mostly required to serve as Rorschach blots, in which we see only what we wish and reveal only ourselves."
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/13/prince-philip-tributes-duke-nation
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Latest Landrover photo and attendees list etc.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56761074
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Ha! Interesting to see the Land Rover, it's somewhat different to the picture the Mail online used, with the caption "Picture of the type of vehicle it could be".
i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/10/23/41596094-0-image-a-1_1618092303154.jpg
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The LR that's carrying the coffin was, in part designed and modified by the REME. I think they are forming part of the guard.
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I think the reaction to BBC coverage is ridiculous and extreme, and the complaints to Ofcom merely spotlight the British habit of knowing a good bandwagon when they see one.
That said, I have been thinking about this.
I liked what I knew of Prince Phillip, I think he was a good man who gave a great deal in service of his wife and this country, including giving up his personal ambitions. He was an intelligent and lively individual with an excellent sense of humour. At times he struggled with his children, and I know just how he felt.
I never met him, but if I had I suspect that I would have liked him. He was his own man and did not conform to the standard of grey that most people prefer these days.
RIP Sir, I wish you the best.
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Anybody who never behaves unpredictably, even quixotically, is not going to be in the top class of achievers, in the wider sense - as a family man, a friend, a politician, anything.
I don't mean in the sense of being boring - boredom is something I rarely suffer from and when I do I blame myself, and being predictable on a day to day level is fine, essential even up to a point.
I thought he did better than OK given what he took on, although I wouldn't be at all surprised to find he had the odd character defect - nobody's perfect. Putting his foot in it occasionally isn't even a fault in my book, if it was I'd be ashamed of myself.
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I read there's been some sort of, fairly odd, argument about who is going to wear what uniform at the funeral. Seems everyone now is in civvies for the funeral.
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>> Suits, I believe :-)
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Very good.
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>> Very good.
Oh Har Har
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>> Suits, I believe :-)
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There isn't an element of 'nudge, nudge' about those that will be attending the funeral, is there?
'Close friend', know what I mean?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56761074
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Who do you mean? You think someone is a homosexual in the royal family?
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>> Suits, I believe :-)
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I took it as a given, I didn't think they would turn up in hoodies.
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Ah right, never watched it.
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It was available on the playlist on our flight to Jamaica. So I have. Its actually quite an old series, and if its passed you buy, dont cry.
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>> I read there's been some sort of, fairly odd, argument about who is going to
>> wear what uniform at the funeral. Seems everyone now is in civvies for the funeral.
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www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/14649369/prince-andrew-appropriate-admiral-uniform-philips-funeral/
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I watched most /bits of the funeral, I thought it was performed, what with cv19 etc, pretty much spot on. Managed to balance social distancing with a bit of pomp, performance and the show you would expect, best example being the service chiefs escorting the LR towards the church with Windsor Castle in the background.
Watched it on itv, tried the BBC but that it was a bit ott.
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SKY news was THE channel to watch. By far the best commentary by a real expert in the detail and how to explain things.
Some details :-
Alastair Andrew Bernard Reibey Bruce OBE KStJ VR DL, a senior British Army reservist, is a journalist and television correspondent, who commanded the TA Media Operations Group, before being appointed in 2019 Governor of Edinburgh Castle.
It appears that some folks are not aware of Freeview 233
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9481759/Tom-Bradby-Huw-Edwards-head-head-battle-broadcasters.html
An example of Hugh Edwards commentating on the Land Rover. Really awful.
I am glad I chose the right coverage .
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>>It appears that some folks are not aware of Freeview 233
I never get that far down the channel list, boredom sets in.
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Stuck with the BBC. Fortunately once the service started there was no inane commentary stating the obvious.
I didn't like the after event wash up. That could have been some king of photographic tribute in silence and then finished. But no they kept dragging it on. FFS!
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If I want to watch a TV prog about a dysfunctional family, Ill tune to East Enders. There at least you know a: its fiction, b: it only lasts 30 minutes.
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Why would you want to watch a funeral service for entertainment? Truly bizarre.
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>> Why would you want to watch a funeral service for entertainment? Truly bizarre.
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There are millions of people in this country who will watch or read about, anything to do with
the royal family, every TV programme, or newspaper article is aimed, at least partly, at them.
There are millions more who are quietly pro royal, respecting the service many of them perform, and appreciating much of what many of them do. These people see the dysfunctional elements for what they are, people corrupted by money, power and a vast overestimate of their own importance. They are a fairly minor distraction from the real work of the royal family and its role representing the country and an alternative to some elected head of state. These people will stand for the national anthem, or a minute silence yesterday and will take an interest in significant events like funerals of a major member of the royal family. I am one of them, I did not watch several hours of the funeral yesterday but I have looked at some bits of it since.
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"There are millions more who are quietly pro royal, respecting the service many of them perform, and appreciating much of what many of them do."
Yes, I'm one of those too. I recall accompanying my teacher wife on a trip to France with a party of schoolchildren.; it was 1977, iirc, and HM's silver jubilee. Our hosts went to great trouble to enable our party to see a large tv screen at one of their houses so that we could watch the broadcast celebrations. The thing that struck me was that our hosts were FAR more interested in the events than we were ........ and that made me think again about the value of our royal family.
Don't knock it - as Joni sang, 'you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone'.
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"it was 1977... Our hosts went to great trouble to enable our party to see a large tv screen"
Not a meagre 19"? The full 25"?
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"Not a meagre 19"? The full 25"?"
I can't remember the details, and it would have been rude of me to take out a tape measure - but our host were the great and good of the town we were twinned with, so it would have been a good telly. I was more interested in watching that the bored kids weren't breaking/nicking anything.
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>>it would have been rude of me to take out a tape measure
That's what she said.
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>> Don't knock it - as Joni sang, 'you don't know what you've got 'til it's
>> gone'.
I'll wait till they stick the royals in a museum then sing the song.
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"I'll wait till they stick the royals in a museum then sing the song."
....... and I bet you've got a lovely voice, Zeddo.
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>> "I'll wait till they stick the royals in a museum then sing the song."
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>> ....... and I bet you've got a lovely voice, Zeddo.
I do a very good baritone "Land of my Fathers" - in the native lingo.
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"I do a very good baritone "Land of my Fathers" - in the native lingo."
The Wokies will be along shortly to accuse you of cultural appropriation.
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>> "I do a very good baritone "Land of my Fathers" - in the native lingo."
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>> The Wokies will be along shortly to accuse you of cultural appropriation.
They will be carted off in an ambiwlans if they try that, no doubt the heddlu will get involved
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Does not anyone else find it a bit weird that so many people spent a beautiful Saturday afternoon - the first after the lockdown ended, watching the funeral of somebody they don't knowand or reality really care about
That is what I find bizarre. No problem with the monarchy as such. Just an anachronism which probably not worth the effort to do anything about, but funeral watching as entertainment? Very odd.
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Perhaps you should issue a list of approved activities which fit your idea of what you believe people should be doing with their afternoons?
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>> Perhaps you should issue a list of approved activities which fit your idea of what
>> you believe people should be doing with their afternoons?
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Now why would I want to do that? I don't thnk I said that people shouldn't watch funerals for entertainment if that is their thing. Indeed it does indeed appear to be a mainstream pastime judging by the viewing figures. I just said I personally found it a bid odd. Indeed I find all royalty and celebrity adulation a bit odd
No need to ask my permission everyone it's just my view.
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"Does not anyone else find it a bit weird that so many people spent a beautiful Saturday"
I feel it a bit weird that anyone would give a crap what anyone was doing anything on a Saturday.
But I was watching the snooker. Back at the Crucible and even a bit of an audience, I could see. I switched over at 3pm to see the funeral. Very dreary for me. Some vicar was talking about sea monsters...? Back to the snooker about an hour later.
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>> Does not anyone else find it a bit weird that so many people spent a
>> beautiful Saturday afternoon - the first after the lockdown ended, watching the funeral of somebody
>> they don't knowand or reality really care about
13.6 million, apparently watched the funeral, which is just about 20% of 67 million.
Therefore, 80% of the population did not watch the funeral.
Me? I went to my rugby club. V. Nice it was too.
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Meeting tonight with a group of rugby friends for a meal, first time in 6 months, in Surbiton as it happens which I believe is your neck of the woods Duncan. I assume you know Glenmore House.
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>> I assume you know Glenmore House.
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Yes, although I haven't been there for a while. How will that work? You can't dine inside - can you?
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Big heated marquee outside, tables of 6 . Looking forward to meeting up with the lads in person rather than on Zoom.
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>> Big heated m****** outside, tables of 6 . Looking forward to meeting up with the
>> lads in person rather than on Zoom.
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Not quite sure why this got starred...
Perhaps I should just have said 'big tent'
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>> Not quite sure why this got starred...
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>> Perhaps I should just have said 'big tent'
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It's a computer code thing. That 'M' word means something special in the computer world.
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>>Not quite sure why this got starred.
"marquee" is a tag used in HTML which causes text to scroll. It got used in the Backroom so much that one of the moderators simply stuck it in the swear filter to stop it.
Dave says it was me but I don't believe him.
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>> Therefore, 80% of the population did not watch the funeral.
I fall into that category.
Anyone would think the bloke was famous.
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>> That is what I find bizarre. No problem with the monarchy as such. Just
>> an anachronism which probably not worth the effort to do anything about,
I disagree with that quite a lot. I wouldn't say I'm a fan of the Royal Family although I think Queenie upholds the office very well.
I don't say it shouldn't ever be got rid of, rather that it wants a lot thinking about. The Monarchy doesn't have any power, but as long as it seems to be necessary to have a head of state, it provides a neutral and safe solution.
It's not just banana republics who have trouble with heads of state appropriating powers and oppressing their citizens. I can think of at least 3 nuclear-armed states in which the head of state and effective dictator has subverted the constitution to remain in power, not including N. Korea. Xi and Putin have both done so and remain in power to the dismay of many of their people. Pakistan is the other one I had in mind, where it has happened at least a couple of times.
I'd like my HoS to remain 100% ceremonial, especially considering the breathtaking shamelessness and dishonesty of the current most senior elected representative.
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I disagree with that quite a lot.
I'm not sure that you do. You might be somewhat more enthusiastic about the Royal family than me but I'm quite happy that we continue with the status quo as far as head of state is concerned. Monarchy is absurd of course in a rational world but it kind of works and lots of people seem to like it so at a practical level I think we really agree.
I shall just steel myself for the media coverage following the inevitable death of the Queen in the coming years and the subsequent coronation of Charles
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>> I disagree with that quite a lot.
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>> I'm not sure that you do.
Perhaps you're right. I inferred that you dismissed it as unimportant, possibly wrongly. And it is anachronistic.
I find it hard to articulate but while the monarchy doesn't actually seem to add much value, its absence might have undesirable consequences if it were to be replaced with the wrong thing.
People used to say the Queen was a lot better than President Blair would have been. Maybe so. President Boris Johnson would be much more of worry to me.
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"President Boris Johnson would be much more of worry to me."
He's more of a sorry as Prmime MInister surely
I'm not sure it would matter too much would it if we had a President as Head of State and the role was basically a ceremonial role and lasted for a fixed term, a bit like the Irish President
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I shall just steel myself for the media coverage following the inevitable death of the
>> Queen in the coming years and the subsequent coronation of Charles
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Don't worry you won't be the only one. If some thought this was bad, it'll be wall to wall coverage for days when the boss goes.
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>> Don't worry you won't be the only one. If some thought this was bad, it'll
>> be wall to wall coverage for days when the boss goes.
The coverage will be nothing to having that dick charles as HOS, he thinks he needs to provide guidance and leadership.
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If some thought this was bad, it'll
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Hopefully Springsteen has a few more concerts left in him
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>>Hopefully Springsteen has a few more concerts left in him
God I hope not.
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The one thing that/s keeping me sane at the moment is that hopefully live music will return and I'll be able to see Springsteen and the E Street Band in concert again sometime soon.
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>> I disagree with that quite a lot.
If you started with a clean sheet of paper you wouldn't have a Monarchy or a House of Lords but when you start with both those things it's difficult to rationalise alternatives.
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Why would you feel it needs your approval? Surely the point is to watch what you want to watch, not watch what people think you should watch?
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Quite.
I’ve no interest in watching a funeral. Or the Royal Family to be perfectly honest. Millions have, and fortunately we have that choice.
I was splitting then stacking logs, had a few bottles of beer, them snoozed on my sun lounger.
A grand purposeful afternoon.
Later I glanced at the BBC website. I have lots of respect for QE2 and felt incredibly sad that at her husbands funeral she couldn’t be flanked by her two eldest children who could each hold her hand and provide some physical solace. Such an incredibly sad spectacle her sitting there all alone.
At least when my father passed away me and my bruv sat next to my mum and could help her emotionally through the service.
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>> East Enders. it only lasts 30 minutes.
Even better nowadays. Since Covid, they only make 20 minute episodes.
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>>Even better nowadays. Since Covid, they only make 20 minute episodes.
19.999 minutes too long.
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That deserves an EastEnders Doof Doof.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1iMJNYHe1I
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I rather liked the procession. The music was excellent and the pomp 'balance' was right. How much of that was due to Covid and how much Philip's desire for a straightforward funeral I do not know.
I gave up very quickly once the clergy started talking and didn't go back
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Prince Philip RIP - Bromptonaut
