Oh dear, if the report turns out to be accurate then this is *really* not going to go well for anybody.
www.bbc.com/news/uk-49053383
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To be fair, we did "arrest" one of theirs!
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Beautifully timed. No PM effectively - government in chaos. Let's see how they handle this.
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...apparently Chris Grayling has been deputed to sort it out.......
I'm off down to the local filling station to fill all 3 vehicles up. ;-)
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>> To be fair, we did "arrest" one of theirs!
Not much to do with 'fair' really.
This is bad, whatever the rights or wrongs. And totally mishandled by what is left of the British Government.
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>>The rights and wrongs...
We have certainly been caught with out pants down on this.
The Iranians call us the "Sly Fox" or similar and haven't really forgiven us for our role in carving up their oil industry in the '50s and the attendant coup d'état.
We still owe them about £400m fora battle tank order made by the Shah just before he abdicated and they see us as the closest ally of the USA which doesn't help either.
Given the recent escalation in the area, we should have been escorting our ships through the straights.
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Weren't the tanks passed on to the British Army
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Apparently its now tankers!
And Donald Trump has offered to help - "Gawd help us!"
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Don't worry......Chris is on top of it.....
Apparently, he is going to roll back the years and send a Brexiteer-manned gunboat up the Persian Gulf.
Dominic Raab is going to command it (since he knows so much about ports - just remember his detailed knowledge of Dover and Calais).
Chris is a bit short of further Brexiteer volunteers so far, Jacob Rees-Mogg has a note from his nanny, but Mark Francois seems to be up for it.
One fly in the ointment, however, is that we don't have any spare gunboats (he'd send HMS Queen Elizabeth, but it's sprung a leak and has a worrying dearth of planes) so he's going to have to tender for one. Having learnt his lesson, he's going to openly tender, rather than selecting a supplier, despite this genuinely being an "unforeseen event", so, by the end of November we should see Raab and Francois set sail on the Saucy Sue from Walsall, complete with a starting pistol (one between the two).
That should put the fear of god up those Iranians!!
(Alternatively, we could call for EU support and the help of a European Army........Oh, Wait!)
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Could get nasty, remember what happened to the General Belgrano? How deep are those waters?
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>..by the end of November we should see Raab and Francois set sail on the Saucy Sue from Walsall,
Actually, the MOD have had contingency plans in place for events such as this since the Falklands conflict. The Flagship of the First Sea Lord is already being made ready to sail.
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Is that the new aircraft carrier with a soggy bottom?
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>Is that the new aircraft carrier with a soggy bottom?
No. She's not the newest ship in the fleet but she's still built of radar absorbing materials and equipped with some impressive armament for close-quarters warfare.
www.hms-victory.com/
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They've plenty of form for this sort of thing, so it's hardly a surprise. Problem being there isn't enough ships to try and protect the amount of British shipping in that area.
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>> They've plenty of form for this sort of thing, so it's hardly a surprise. Problem
>> being there isn't enough ships to try and protect the amount of British shipping in
>> that area.
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Funnily enough there us, if you reintroduce the convoy system, is get three tankers s together, two fast warships, a chopper, and bingo. Or arm the tankers with a few marines each, and a shoulder launched missile. Army wise the Iranians are formidable, navy and air force? It's more like camberwick green local volounteers
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Funnily enough there us, if you reintroduce the convoy system, is get three tankers s
>> together, two fast warships, a chopper, and bingo. Or arm the tankers with a few
>> marines each, and a shoulder launched missile. Army wise the Iranians are formidable, navy and
>> air force? It's more like camberwick green local volounteers
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Very little interest in a convoy system from the companies who own the ships. All stopping and starting and going via all different ports, I'm lead to believe there are 15-20 British registered vessels per day in and around the SoH.
Their airforce is probably the most professional arm of the military.
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Their Airforce if the most principled and less indoctrinated by religious dogma, with not much revolutionary Gard crap, doesn't make it any good tho as they get penalised and purged
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"........and send a Brexiteer-manned gunboat up the Persian Gulf......"
Seeing as the detained Iranian vessel was suspected of of busting EU sanctions, perhaps it would be more appropriate to send a detachment from our Revolutionary Bremainial Guard.
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My Google says that Stena Bulk is Swedish - not British.
Does that make a difference?
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Swedish owned but sailing under British Flag. Entitled to RN protection I believe.
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>> Swedish owned but sailing under British Flag. Entitled to RN protection I believe.
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I think it's called a flag of inconvenience
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>> Seeing as the detained Iranian vessel was suspected of of busting EU sanctions, perhaps it
>> would be more appropriate to send a detachment from our Revolutionary Bremainial Guard.
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I have some sympathy with the Iranians here. They had their ship seized for breaking EU sanctions against selling oil to Syria, but as they are not members of the EU themselves one could understand them saying EU rules and regulations don't apply to them.
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Err that's what sanctions are. If it was internal it would be a directive
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>> Err that's what sanctions are. If it was internal it would be a directive
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Sanctions only apply to the jurisdiction of the countries applying the sanctions. So a country external to the EU does not have to follow or abide by EU sanctions.
The tanker seized in Gibraltar was in UK territory (if it was in Gibraltar or its waters) and therefore was subject to its laws. If it were in international waters I don't think a lot could have been done about it.
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>> >> Err that's what sanctions are. If it was internal it would be a directive
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>> Sanctions only apply to the jurisdiction of the countries applying the sanctions. So a country
>> external to the EU does not have to follow or abide by EU sanctions.
No you miss the purpose of sanctions. You can pursue and enforce sanctions anywhere you please or are capable of doing so. The iranian tanker could have been intercepted on the high seas. Thats why global electronic sanctions work so well.
Last edited by: Zero on Sat 20 Jul 19 at 17:22
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That's not how my AML / Sanctions training suggests it works. Third party countries do not have to follow the rules of another country with regards sanctions and can continue trading with the subject country should they wish. Goods and transactions that go through the country(ies) imposing the sanctions could be impounded though.
I think that if we held, say a Chinese ship on the high seas because it was delivery goods to Iran, then we would be heading to war.
The USA has sanctions against Cuba. Many other countries trade with Cuba, including the UK. I don't see US forcing ships and planes to divert, but if they entered US airspace or seas, on route then that is a different matter.
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>> The USA has sanctions against Cuba. Many other countries trade with Cuba, including the UK.
>> I don't see US forcing ships and planes to divert, but if they entered US
>> airspace or seas, on route then that is a different matter.
Now you are into "do you have balls to enforce sanctions" not sanctions themselves. This is well beyond your SOX responsibility training.
Take the Iranian Tanker. The sanctions are against Syria, not Iran. It wasnt an EU country trading with them, So the argument that EU sanctions dont apply to non EU countries is not valid. The location just provided an air of legitimacy.
And then there is the arcane law of naval hot pursuit.
Last edited by: Zero on Sat 20 Jul 19 at 18:24
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The sooner we switch to electric cars the sooner we will be able to let this region sort their own problems.
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Indeed. One wonders how that region will cope as that reality approaches.
It didn't do to well the last time the price of oil dropped.
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We'll be having trouble where the rare earth minerals and ores are mined to make batteries and motors.
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>>We'll be having trouble where the rare earth minerals and ores are mined to make batteries and motors
Nah - African nations are way easier to bribe.
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Forget the batteries.
Put an electric rail in the road or overhead wires and we can either whizz around like Scalextric or like bumper cars.
A set of capacitors or smaller batteries for changing lanes / minor roads should do it.
Charge electricity usage based on mileage or smart meters in cars.
Last edited by: zippy on Mon 22 Jul 19 at 21:51
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The iranians have claimed that they've seized another tanker. No nationality or where the ship is from.
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Did we ever get back the small, open boat they nicked off us years ago?
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>> Did we ever get back the small, open boat they nicked off us years ago?
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No i think it's in some museum in iran.
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The Americans never got their embassy back either,
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The ship has been released and is now in dubai.
tinyurl.com/yywbbpab
Last edited by: R.P. on Sat 28 Sep 19 at 16:39
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Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker' - zippy
