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New Fri 26 Oct 18 14:31 
 Title Protocol of address - No FM2R
A lady who is a Baroness and an MP

1) Baroness Joanne Smith MP
2) Joanne Baroness Smith MP
3) something else?

Anybody know?
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New Fri 26 Oct 18 14:34 
 Title Protocol of address - No FM2R
Also John Smith, a Lord an MBE and an MP.


Lord John Smith MP MBE ?
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New Fri 26 Oct 18 14:34 
 Title Protocol of address - Lygonos
Lady Joanne Smith MP

Lord John Smith MBE MP
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New Fri 26 Oct 18 14:40 
 Title Protocol of address - No FM2R
Lady not Baroness?
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New Fri 26 Oct 18 14:42 
 Title Protocol of address - No FM2R
If it makes a difference, this is a formal speech I have to give, not something I have to write.

As an irrelevant aside, does one make or give speeches?
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New Fri 26 Oct 18 14:43 
 Title Protocol of address - Lygonos
Pretty sure Barons and Baronesses are Lord/Lady in the UK.

I wouldn't bet your speech on that though!

Checked Debretts?


www.debretts.com/expertise/forms-of-address/
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New Fri 26 Oct 18 14:43 
 Title Protocol of address - tyrednemotional
www.parliament.uk/business/lords/whos-in-the-house-of-lords/how-to-address-a-lord/


(and I don't think a Lord can also be an MP)
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New Fri 26 Oct 18 14:46 
 Title Protocol of address - No FM2R
You're so right, wrong house. Now that *would* have been an oops.
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New Fri 26 Oct 18 17:33 
 Title Protocol of address - Cliff Pope

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>> (and I don't think a Lord can also be an MP)
>>

Depends what sort of lord. A courtesy lord, younger son of a duke of a marquess, can sit in the commons. Also a peer of Ireland not holding a subsidiary British peerage.

(Query - now hereditaries have been excluded from the Lords, can they stand for MP?)

To answer the OP - a baron, hereditary or life, is always simply "Lord X". or perhaps formally in writing "Lord X of Wandsworth".
It is incorrect to call him "Lord Fred X", even if before he became a peer he was called Fred X.
Including the christian name means he is a younger son, as above, with a courtesy title, not a peer in his own right, so strange as it might seem, using his full name is discourteous..
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New Fri 26 Oct 18 14:46 
 Title Protocol of address - No FM2R
Thank you both, exactly what I needed.
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New Fri 26 Oct 18 14:49 
 Title Protocol of address - Lygonos
Debretts threw up some 404s

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forms_of_address_in_the_United_Kingdom#Nobility

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New Fri 26 Oct 18 14:51 
 Title Protocol of address - tyrednemotional
...drilling down to an individual through the A-Z on the link I posted seems to give a pretty definitive answer for each (albeit with some individual variance as the top level warns).
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New Fri 26 Oct 18 14:54 
 Title Protocol of address - No FM2R
Thanks. This got sprung on me rather last minute.
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New Fri 26 Oct 18 15:09 
 Title Protocol of address - Lygonos

Correct protocol?


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New Fri 26 Oct 18 15:11 
 Title Protocol of address - tyrednemotional
The Rt Hon. the Lord Hain seeking urgent asylum in Chile, is he.....?

;-)
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New Fri 26 Oct 18 15:14 
 Title Protocol of address - Lygonos
He better have his DNA ready.
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New Fri 26 Oct 18 15:36 
 Title Protocol of address - Ambo
According to son-in-law, who got an OBE in January, honours come first.
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New Fri 26 Oct 18 15:33 
 Title Protocol of address - No FM2R
It's not Hain, but if it were I would do my very best to find something to reveal about him, as my civic duty, of course.
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New Fri 26 Oct 18 15:45 
 Title Protocol of address - Runfer D'Hills
Generally speaking, I prefer to be addressed as "Lord" but I never insist on it...
;-)
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New Fri 26 Oct 18 15:51 
 Title Protocol of address - tyrednemotional
....something along the lines of "Oh Lord, it's him again!" ?

;-)
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New Fri 26 Oct 18 16:10 
 Title Protocol of address - Manatee
It's extremely arrogant of Hain to decide it's his duty, when the appeal judges had seen fit to grant a temporary injunction.

There's more to this than we have been told, I suspect.

Wrong thread, sorry.
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