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Thread Author: henry k	Replies: 36

Thu 25 Oct 18 15:28   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - henry k

Retail billionaire Sir Philip Green named in Parliament as man facing newspaper allegations of sexual harassment Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 25 Oct 18 15:44   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - Pat

Well that was a waste of money, wasn't it? Pat Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 25 Oct 18 15:45   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - Zero

Wow I am so surprised about that revelation. Not. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 25 Oct 18 16:44   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - rtj70

>> Well that was a waste of money, wasn't it? Exactly what I thought when I saw it on the BBC. And if the UK media didn't report it, overseas media would have. If it's true he has NDAs and paid people off - sort of admits guilt. Assuming the NDA and payoff stuff is even true. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 25 Oct 18 16:54   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - No FM2R

>>If it's true he has NDAs and paid people off - sort of admits guilt. No. He may well be guilty, I have no idea. But perhaps he just wanted them to shut up and didn't want it public? This Minister should be ashamed. That is not the purpose or point of parliamentary privilege, simple abuse. If it is a matter for the police, then have them deal with it. It is not for some sanctimonious twit to abuse his parliamentary privilege just to appeal to the masses for his own ends. Last edited by: VxFan on Thu 5 Sep 19 at 10:27 Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 25 Oct 18 18:29   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - CGNorwich

Will be seen as undermining the authority of the courts and probably rightly so. The court has seen the evidence and deliberated on this case. It is not for a member of the House of Lord's to casually usurp the role of the courts. A dangerous precedent. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 25 Oct 18 18:32   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - No FM2R

Dangerous certainly, but not the first time. They are just asking for privilege to be restricted. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 27 Oct 18 20:16   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - CGNorwich

>> They are just asking for privilege to be restricted. >> By whom? I can’t see the House restricting its own privilege. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 25 Oct 18 18:36   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - Mapmaker

>> It is not for a member of the House of Lord's to casually usurp the role of the courts. Any more than it is for a judge to write the law, as some of them are prone to do. Ask not what they are achieving, but instead what they are achieving for themselves. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 25 Oct 18 18:38   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - R.P.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5389867/MPs-expenses-Peter-Hains-new-wife-new-home-and-new-shed-roof.html A man of principle our Mr Hain. A true socialist. Reply to this message | Report message       1

Thu 25 Oct 18 18:47   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - Zero

>> A man of principle our Mr Hain. A true socialist. The man has matured. From left wing anti fascist rabid apartheid protester, to well off titled lord. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 26 Oct 18 17:50   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - Fullchat

He doesn't think a £6000 heating oil bill is excessive!! FFS!! Costs me about 10% of that for a year. No wonder the ice caps melting. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 25 Oct 18 18:45   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - Zero

Whilst a NDA to prevent leaking of trade secrets is morally valid, a NDA AND payment to prevent the reporting of a crime should be seen as criminal. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 25 Oct 18 18:52   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - No FM2R

>>a NDA AND payment to prevent the reporting of a crime should be seen as criminal. Agreed, to an extent. Though if you stole my car, and then gave me $1,000,000 not to report it, I might be alright with that. But it is not for the politician to decide whether or not that has happened and to simply decide to announce it.. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 25 Oct 18 19:29   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - zippy

>> But it is not for the politician to decide whether or not that has happened >> and to simply decide to announce it.. Where do you draw the line? £3,000,000 perhaps for me being quiet witnessing a construction company skimp on foundations for a new bridge? No thanks. It leads to corruption and should be stopped. Non-reporting of a crime should of course be seen as criminal and a NDA in that context should be seen as an attempt to pervert the course of justice. As for the politician. It seems to me to be a dirty trick. If the paper wanted to go further then they had the court of appeal and supreme courts. IMHO he has further undermined our respect increased our contempt of the political class. Last edited by: VxFan on Fri 26 Oct 18 at 02:11 Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 25 Oct 18 15:47   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - Bromptonaut

>> >> Retail billionaire Sir Philip Green named in Parliament as man facing newspaper allegations of sexual >> harassment Lord Hain named him in Lords.: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/25/sir-philip-green-named-parliament-businessman-centre-britains/ Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 25 Oct 18 15:49   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - Bromptonaut

Green is notoriously litigious. Will be interesting to see what happens next. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 25 Oct 18 16:05   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - Zero

Well as it seems that all news outlets have reported Peter Hains statement, all their legal departments must have said its ok to report anything said under parliamentary privilege Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 25 Oct 18 16:13   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - R.P.

BBC have named him now. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 25 Oct 18 16:15   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - Mapmaker

>>Green is notoriously litigious. Will be interesting to see what happens next. It's a bit late now... Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 25 Oct 18 16:25   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - Bromptonaut

>> >>Green is notoriously litigious. Will be interesting to see what happens next. >> >> It's a bit late now... Not saying any good will come of it. Genie is out of the bottle. I think there have been cases before about press/media's right to report stuff stated under privilege. My comment was an observation as to whether Green might attempt to stifle further discussion. The details of his alleged offending are still subject to NDA's and to injunction pending full trial. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 25 Oct 18 16:31   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - Zero

>> The details of his alleged offending are still subject to NDA's and to injunction pending >> full trial. well there is the problem you see, while the identity was hidden, the nature of the behaviour was reported in general terms, now the identity is revealed under privilege, well what can you do. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 26 Oct 18 09:09   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - maltrap

One wonders if any of the unelected Peter Hains fellow lords have injunctions in force, if so will he stand up & name them ! Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 26 Oct 18 09:26   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - Bromptonaut

>> well there is the problem you see, while the identity was hidden, the nature of >> the behaviour was reported in general terms, now the identity is revealed under privilege, well >> what can you do. It's a difficult issue. Some of the former employees subject to the NDAs support Green's action to keep their cases under wraps. They are private individuals and there's no public interest defence for exposing them. The injunction was granted by a powerfully constituted court including the Master of the Rolls in a lengthy and well argued judgement. It's temporary pending an expedited trial where the issues can be addressed in full. Why Hain thought it was up to him to name Green beggars belief. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 26 Oct 18 17:37   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - Cliff Pope

>> >> Why Hain thought it was up to him to name Green beggars belief. >> Because he recognises a good bandwagon to jump on? Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 26 Oct 18 18:18   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - R.P.

BBC news reporting that Hain works for the Lawyers acting on behalf the Telegraph...oh dear... Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 26 Oct 18 18:29   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - Bromptonaut

>> BBC news reporting that Hain works for the Lawyers acting on behalf the Telegraph...oh dear... He's some sort of consultant to the firm and denies he obtained Green's name via his role. I suspect his position is untenable though. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 26 Oct 18 18:35   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - R.P.

I always respected him on his stance on Apartheid I must say, but people change... Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 26 Oct 18 18:55   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - Rudedog

Seems Mr Green's name was already out in the public domain via social media by at least Wednesday, apparently wouldn't have taken much searching to find it if you really wanted to. Heard some ex-attorney general on the radio really missing the point in my opinion... he seemed to claim that the law was equal to all but didn't answer that Mr Green was only able to do this because he's stinking rich and could afford to pay the NDA's and employ expensive lawyers.. the ordinary person couldn't do this so a claim like the one made would more than likely have been investigated by the police. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 26 Oct 18 19:26   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - Zero

That green is a grade A sh** is beyond doubt, What Hain has done has distracted from the original issue and screwed up the chance of an appeal court overturning the NDA thing, and given Green some legitimacy Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 26 Oct 18 18:57   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - Zero

WOT a plank, clear conflict of interest, and therefore an abuse of privelage. Do Lords still try their own? Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 27 Oct 18 19:30   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - tyrednemotional

...I'm somewhat ambivalent about this, but just about come down on the side of Hain being wrong. I don't think I could sum it up much better than this reasonably informed view: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/27/why-judges-wrong-granting-philip-green-injunction Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 27 Oct 18 19:36   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - No FM2R

Excellent link. However, Hain was 100% wrong. It was an abuse of his privilege. He had other courses of action, but they wouldn't have got him on the front pages. Grandstanding. Also a form of victim abuse, if you ask me. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 27 Oct 18 19:37   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - rtj70

If it is true some got paid over a million UK pounds for their silence... they might not like to be outed by the press. They were wronged (if true) but did they want to have their names in the press. I think Hain was 100% wrong too. Reply to this message | Report message

Sun 28 Oct 18 12:25   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - Roger.

Green & Hain - slime-balls who deserve each other (some might say). Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 27 Nov 18 12:58   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - Bromptonaut

Slight thread resurrection but came across this piece by Secret Barrister which seems to sum it up quite well: inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/what-lord-peter-hain-didnt-consider-when-he-rushed-to-name-name-philip-green/ Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 28 Jan 19 12:34   Non-disclosure agreement - Well known name is? - Bromptonaut

Latest is that Green has withdrawn his case. There was a pre-trial hearing last week and trial due to begin next week. Costs were part of last weeks hearing. Can only assume he's decided not to throw more money at it. As he's pulled out he's likely to be going to have to pay Telegraph's costs as well as his own - unless they've agreed a deal without asking the court for a consent order. A 'gentleman's agreement' recorded on Counsel's brief was fairly common way of settling big land compensation cases in eighties when I worked in The Lands Tribunal. Reply to this message | Report message