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New Sun 1 Jul 18 22:31 
 Saddleworth Moors Fires - burn them - Driver
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/saddleworth-moor-fire-latest-update-new-healey-nab-arsonists-winter-hill-lancashire-a8425856.html

Seriously? These scum are putting peoples lives at risk. Tie them to a stake and burn them!
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New Sun 1 Jul 18 22:39 
 Saddleworth Moors Fires - burn them - Stuartli
The journalist who wrote the story clearly has no conception of the location of either Saddleworth Moor or Rivington, the area in which the Winter Hill TV transmitter is located.
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New Mon 2 Jul 18 09:35 
 Saddleworth Moors Fires - burn them - Bromptonaut
>> The journalist who wrote the story clearly has no conception of the location of either
>> Saddleworth Moor or Rivington, the area in which the Winter Hill TV transmitter is located.

Looks as though the basic story is right though:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/01/arson-fears-after-new-woodland-fire-begins-in-lancashire
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New Mon 2 Jul 18 10:18 
 Saddleworth Moors Fires - burn them - Stuartli
Yes, the basics were right, but the locations and the details of where the arsonists were allegedly involved are way off the mark.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-44654410

tinyurl.com/yaomvdwf

The two major moor fires are some considerable distance apart.
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New Mon 2 Jul 18 16:22 
 Saddleworth Moors Fires - burn them - Duncan
Why are they spending so much time and energy in trying to put out the fires?

Why not allow them to burn, but 'manage' them?
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New Mon 2 Jul 18 16:28 
 Saddleworth Moors Fires - burn them - Bromptonaut
>> Why not allow them to burn, but 'manage' them?

There probably is an element of management in what they're doing now but some fire fronts have been near enough habitation (eg outskirts of Stalybridge) to need people to be evacuated.
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New Mon 2 Jul 18 18:42 
 Saddleworth Moors Fires - burn them - Stuartli
>>Why not allow them to burn, but 'manage' them?>>

That's exactly what they are doing, but through preventing them from spreading as much as possible.

The moors in both cases have layers of now very dry peat under the main grassy areas and this is burning and spreading under the ground.
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New Tue 3 Jul 18 11:19 
 Saddleworth Moors Fires - burn them - Mapmaker

>> Why not allow them to burn, but 'manage' them?

Because when they finish burning there will be nothing but sterile moonscape left.
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New Tue 3 Jul 18 14:45 
 Saddleworth Moors Fires - burn them - Zero
It will regenerate. Fires have been around longer than we have. Its a fundamental part of some habitats life cycle.
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New Tue 3 Jul 18 14:53 
 Saddleworth Moors Fires - burn them - No FM2R
Even more than that, for some forests it is harmful to prevent fires.

Especially since you will always get one in the end, and if you have let fuel build up on the floor over the years then it will be a big one.
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New Tue 3 Jul 18 15:47 
 Saddleworth Moors Fires - burn them - Robin O'Reliant
>> It will regenerate. Fires have been around longer than we have. Its a fundamental part
>> of some habitats life cycle.
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And the regeneration will do it good. The undergrowth high above the ferry terminal at Goodwick had a major blaze about six years back leaving it looking desolate. It is now back in full bloom and looking better than ever.
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New Tue 3 Jul 18 15:53 
 Saddleworth Moors Fires - burn them - Lygonos
Most of the moorland hasn't been there for thousands of years as part of a grow/burn cycle (unlike say African or Aussie outback)

Wasn't most of it woodland after the last Ice receded until being chopped down by immigrant hairless apes?
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New Tue 3 Jul 18 16:53 
 Saddleworth Moors Fires - burn them - Zero
Maybe it hasn't, but its there now, and to keep it it needs to burn every now and then.
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