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Thread Author: rtj70	Replies: 53

New Tue 26 Jun 18 16:51   CO2 Shortage - rtj70

This CO2 shortage has got me wondering why it is used instead of alternatives that are not a cause of climate change. For example, slaughtering animals it is used to drive the stun guns - could they use say oxygen? Is it simply because there is usually an abundance as a byproduct in making fertilizer and therefore cheap? As for no beer or cider... in this warm weather wouldn't you prefer a cold flat drink than no drink at all? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jun 18 17:03   CO2 Shortage - Zero

>> This CO2 shortage has got me wondering why it is used instead of alternatives that >> are not a cause of climate change. Its all about chemistry and logistics. Oxygen injected into foodstuffs will cause a breakdown of the food due to regenerated bacteria. Oxygen bubbles quickly escape liquids, Co2 doesn't. Compressed oxygen is hard to make, transport store and use, Co2 is naturally aspirant. The Co2 from the fertiliser process is food grade. >> As for no beer or cider... in this warm weather wouldn't you prefer a cold >> flat drink than no drink at all? Cold flat beer? no way Jose. Last edited by: Zero on Tue 26 Jun 18 at 17:04 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 2 Jul 18 12:28   CO2 Shortage - Stuartli

>> As for no beer or cider... in this warm weather wouldn't you prefer a cold,flat drink than no drink at all?>> Up 'ere on the frozen northern slopes we have proper beer - not that flat southern apology for a pint...:-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 2 Jul 18 13:30   CO2 Shortage - Zero

>> Up 'ere on the frozen northern slopes we have proper beer - not that flat >> southern apology for a pint...:-) As it happens, your frozen northern slopes, are actually soft southern apologies for a pint. www.unilad.co.uk/grub/brace-yourselves-this-67-5-beer-is-now-available-in-the-uk/ Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 2 Jul 18 18:45   CO2 Shortage - Stuartli

The words "is-now-available-in-the-uk" give the game away without even opening the link...:-) Never had a decent pint south of around the Midlands in my (long) life, not have I ever had to pay as much for such dross...:-) :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 2 Jul 18 21:54   CO2 Shortage - Bromptonaut

>> Never had a decent pint south of around the Midlands in my (long) life, not >> have I ever had to pay as much for such dross...:-) :-) Difficult getting used to London beer after moving there from Yorkshire in 1979. Far too much keg stuff like Ben Trumans(?) and more than once challenged being served from slops tray. Revelation to find place in Islington that sold Sam Smith's bitter. OTOH when we settled in Harrow and discovered The Castle - a Fullers pub - I found there were a few decent London beers albeit lacking a proper head like Tetleys had then :-). Nowadays with places like Wetherspoons offering regional beers all over and place we're bound for on Friday serving stuff from Cornwall to Scotland over it's a different world. Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Mon 2 Jul 18 at 21:56 Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 3 Jul 18 10:38   CO2 Shortage - Rudedog

Well I have a well established brewery on my doorstep and that's inside the M25.. look for Westerham Brewery beers, famous one is British Bulldog although they do a vast range of craft beers and lovely single hop beers depending on the time of year (lso Kent has the oldest brewery at Shepherd Neame). Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jun 18 17:13   CO2 Shortage - DP

>> could they use say oxygen? Is it simply because there >> is usually an abundance as a byproduct in making fertilizer and therefore cheap? Pure oxygen is incredibly reactive, explosively so with certain hydrocarbons and organic materials. Also, even a small enrichment of oxygen in the atmosphere significantly increases fire risk, so a leaking hose or repeated discharge in a poorly ventilated space could be very dangerous. In short, HSE would have kittens. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jun 18 17:25   CO2 Shortage - Driver

>> This CO2 shortage has got me wondering why it is used instead of alternatives that >>For example, slaughtering animals it is used to >> drive the stun guns - could they use say oxygen? In a modern abattoir CO2 isn't just used to power the stun guns but used in the atmosphere to render the animals unconscious prior to slaughter. It is considered to be more "humane" than using an electric stun gun as the animals are not frightened. Last edited by: Driver on Tue 26 Jun 18 at 17:25 Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jun 18 17:31   CO2 Shortage - rtj70

I didn't think oxygen was the alternative to be honest - but we're being told not to drive petrol/diesel cars and go electric to reduce CO2 emissions (and other harmful stuff). And yet we sit drinking a beer and abattoirs are releasing CO2 all the time. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jun 18 18:21   CO2 Shortage - Bromptonaut

>> I didn't think oxygen was the alternative to be honest - but we're being told >> not to drive petrol/diesel cars and go electric to reduce CO2 emissions (and other harmful >> stuff). And yet we sit drinking a beer and abattoirs are releasing CO2 all the >> time. A matter of volume. Petrol or diesel produce something like 2.5kg of CO2 per litre used. The quantity required to carbonate a drink is just a few grams. No idea about abattoir releases. I suspect though that usage is to stun; humane killer could run off compressed air. Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Tue 26 Jun 18 at 18:22 Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jun 18 18:41   CO2 Shortage - rtj70

>> humane killer could run off compressed air. That's what I thought.... why buy in something a compressor could used for instead. Anything that needn't use CO2 ought to be avoided. Even if the amount is small - it all adds up. As it happens the slaughter of animals is likely to lead to a lack of meat in shops. The CO2 supply problem is not going to be resolved overnight. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jun 18 18:59   CO2 Shortage - CGNorwich

Nothing to do with stun guns. Pigs are rendered unconscious on a co2 chamber. And Co2 is not nanufactured. For the most part it is extracted from natural gas. Co2 forms part of the atmosphere. You are breathing the stuff out at this very moment.. There is not really a shortage of CO2 as such, just the facility to bottle the stuff to keep up with demand. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jun 18 19:12   CO2 Shortage - Zero

>> There is not really a shortage of CO2 as such, Of food grade there is. I dont want your hot sweaty breath in my beer Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jun 18 19:18   CO2 Shortage - CGNorwich

Like I said it’s bottling the stuff into cylinders where the hold up is. I’ve still got a few refills for a Sparklets soda siphon in the sideboard. I guess they might become valuable if the shortage continues. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jun 18 20:13   CO2 Shortage - Manatee

Proper beer makes its own CO2. Our local pub serves cask ale though, and I'm sure there is some added CO2 involved recently - possibly a cask breather/CO2 blanket as it has fairly low turnover and historically the beer has been very average/oxidised. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jun 18 21:06   CO2 Shortage - Lygonos

>>Pigs are rendered unconscious on a co2 chamber More humane using pure nitrogen - rising CO2 levels make you feel unwell. I presume the problem with pure nitrogen is you feel nothing until you collapse which makes it a dangerous environment for workers potentially Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jun 18 21:17   CO2 Shortage - CGNorwich

It looks as though the answer is that whilst pigs casn show adverse reations to CO2 they take longer to become unconscious with Nitrogen and still display adverse reactions. www.animalwelfare.net.au/sites/default/files/Scientific%20commentary-CO2%20as%20stunning%20for%20pigs-4.pdf Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jun 18 21:34   CO2 Shortage - Driver

>> It looks as though the answer is that whilst pigs casn show adverse reations to >> CO2 they take longer to become unconscious with Nitrogen and still display adverse reactions. >> >> >> www.animalwelfare.net.au/sites/default/files/Scientific%20commentary-CO2%20as%20stunning%20for%20pigs-4.pdf >> Yep, its all gross. I have no problem eating meat, but I do care how the animals are treated and dispatched. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jun 18 21:42   CO2 Shortage - CGNorwich

CO2 stunning is probably as humane as you are going to get. I dont think there is any method that will always guarantee that the animals suffers no agitation or distress. CO2 is also used for the dispatch of chickens. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 26 Jun 18 23:05   CO2 Shortage - DP

CO2 is also used to kill feeder rodents in large numbers, to be sold as reptile food, and is generally viewed as a humane way to do it. I used the same method to dispatch the last of my daughter's pet mice with CO2 last year. The poor thing had developed a tumour on its neck and was clearly in pain. I can vouch for CO2 being fast, and outwardly at least, pain/distress free. I put the mouse in a tub with a dollop of peanut butter to feast on, and rigged up a length of pipe off the welder's CO2 bottle. Gently turned the gas on, and the mouse simply laid down and went to sleep. Start to finish was barely 10 seconds. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 27 Jun 18 11:37   CO2 Shortage - Lygonos

>> can vouch for CO2 being fast, and outwardly at least, pain/distress free Try taking a lungful of high concentration CO2 for a half-empty fizzy juice bottle - it is not very pleasant! Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 27 Jun 18 12:08   CO2 Shortage - Bromptonaut

>> Try taking a lungful of high concentration CO2 for a half-empty fizzy juice bottle - >> it is not very pleasant! Had similar from a bucket of fermenting homebrew and agree. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 27 Jun 18 12:50   CO2 Shortage - Manatee

Done that on a distillery visit. You can't continue to breathe it in, very unpleasant in that concentration. I cannot believe that it is not very unpleasant for pigs, even if not for very long. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 27 Jun 18 13:18   CO2 Shortage - CGNorwich

There is no absolutely no stress free way of stunning animals in an abattoir situation. The CO2 method is reckoned to be about the best. It doesn’t necessarily kill them by the way. Cutting their throats does that. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 27 Jun 18 17:03   CO2 Shortage - Lygonos

You decide.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=adtjQDW9rVE CO2 becomes carbonic acid on the lining of the respiratory tract. Me? Nitrogen or helium narcosis please. Last edited by: Lygonos on Wed 27 Jun 18 at 17:06 Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 28 Jun 18 12:49   CO2 Shortage - Roger.

Me - Nembutal, if it can be found. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 28 Jun 18 13:12   CO2 Shortage - CGNorwich

I think you mean nitrogen asphyxiation rather than nitrogen narcosis. Nitrogen narcosis is what divers get when they inhale the compressed gas as part of the compressed air they breathe. Known as rapture of the deep and is reversible when the pressure is lowered when they ascend. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Jun 18 09:00   CO2 Shortage - Zero

OK, Now its getting serious. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44644407 Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Jun 18 10:30   CO2 Shortage - Robin O'Reliant

Plenty of crumpet in St Davids yesterday. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Jun 18 10:46   CO2 Shortage - Zero

St Davids in Wales? Don't think so, drove there once, I was out the other end before I realised I had missed it. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Jun 18 11:58   CO2 Shortage - Robin O'Reliant

Smallest city in the country. I've been to villages which are bigger, but it get's packed in the summer. Though it's even got a by-pass now. Last edited by: Robin O'Reliant on Fri 29 Jun 18 at 11:59 Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 29 Jun 18 21:38   CO2 Shortage - R.P.

Some great little pubs there.. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 30 Jun 18 00:45   Lettuce Shortage - smokie

I'd miss beer but not lettuce... www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44664834 Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 30 Jun 18 07:10   Lettuce Shortage - Zero

And you tried to convince me you were not weird. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 2 Jul 18 01:56   Lettuce Shortage - VxFan

>> And you tried to convince me you were not weird. You ain't seen nothing yet. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 2 Jul 18 07:52   Lettuce Shortage - tyrednemotional

...you're only saying that 'Cos he's a fellow mod...... Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 2 Jul 18 08:31   Lettuce Shortage - Zero

I romaine unconvinced. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 2 Jul 18 08:32   Lettuce Shortage - Runfer D'Hills

Apparently, the church have now got involved, most vicars were heard yesterday encouraging their congregations to "lettuce spray"... Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 2 Jul 18 08:44   Lettuce Shortage - smokie

Ahhh you lot and your little witticisms - Little Gems all of them :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 2 Jul 18 10:27   Lettuce Shortage - VxFan

If anyone has any more, can you lettuce know. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 2 Jul 18 10:35   Lettuce Shortage - Robin O'Reliant

Those are only the tip of the iceberg. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 2 Jul 18 11:11   Lettuce Shortage - Bromptonaut

>> Those are only the tip of the iceberg. Indeed, there's a whole Webb of stories doing the round. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 2 Jul 18 11:16   Lettuce Shortage - Zero

Lets just leaf it there shall we Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 2 Jul 18 12:24   Lettuce Shortage - Stuartli

Lettuce pray the news that the CO2 shortage will start to ease during this week. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 2 Jul 18 14:46   Lettuce Shortage - Robin O'Reliant

>> Lettuce pray the news that the CO2 shortage will start to ease during this week. >> And salad days will be here again. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 2 Jul 18 18:47   Lettuce Shortage - Stuartli

>>And salad days will be here again.>. No problems in my area.... Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 2 Jul 18 19:20   Lettuce Shortage - PeterS

>> Lets just leaf it there shall we >> I agree; it’s bionda joke now. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 2 Jul 18 19:26   Lettuce Shortage - Runfer D'Hills

Some of these jokes are a bit cress... Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 2 Jul 18 19:43   Lettuce Shortage - Robin O'Reliant

It's about time they were tossed. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 2 Jul 18 19:44   Lettuce Shortage - stan10

" .. Some of these jokes are a bit cress... " Nah, be honest, most of them are radish. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 3 Jul 18 13:24   Crisps shortage - VxFan

Looks like crisps are going to be the next thing in short supply. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5908607/Now-CRISP-shortage-hits-Beast-East-heatwave-hammer-Britains-potato-crop.html Are we beginning to feel the crunch, or is it just a hot potato? Last edited by: VxFan on Tue 3 Jul 18 at 13:24 Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 3 Jul 18 14:44   Crisps shortage - Zero

If this goes any further I am going to get my jacket off and you lot will have had your chips. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 3 Jul 18 16:18   Crisps shortage - Clk Sec

And you might just end up with a cauliflower ear... Reply to this message | Report message