Guess I’m in the minority here but since my mid 20s I’ve had very little interest in the game. The last time I attended a game was 20 years ago and I’m amazed at the extent of the all enveloping coverage of the World Cup.
I gave up 11 a side in my mid 20s after being kicked up in the air once too often on a Sunday AM, took up squash ( until breakages from climbing accidents halted that) then played 5 a side until my mid 40s. Last night walking through Settle mid evening it was like a ghost town, no traffic, every pub rammed with people watching football. The upside being that I was the sole attendee at my gyms circuit training session, so 121 with a personal trainer. All FOC with my membership.
Hopefully I’ll be away backpacking soon so will escape most of it. Chatting with the trainer last night it seems I’m in the minority as the only sport I watch is skiing....speeds up to almost 100mph on both the Mens and Ladies downhill events, sheet ice, where you don’t fall down feigning injury then jump up after rolling around for 30 seconds. Pathetic.
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No, you are not alone. I cannot stand football either. I've got several uncles, nephews, etc that are mad for it. Some have played in an amateur fashion or other for their local town/village, and some have gone on to become referees in their later years.
I am the black sheep of the family when it comes to football.
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I like it.
Great sporting week, with Royal Ascot as well.
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Never been a football fan, my Dad wasn't and I guess maybe to some degree it's inherited.
Rugby, hockey (yes hockey) and cricket at school but after age 14 I was not that interested in those either (I blame the hormones).
I occasionally watch Rugby League championships or internationals and I expect I will watch a bit of the footy as I usually do, for Euros and World Cup only, but I realised the other day I can no longer name more than about 1 of the England squad.
I was out last night at a comedy gig at The Mill at Sonning and it was full. The compere did ask who'd booked their tickets before knowing about the World Cup schedule and only a few blokes put their hands up.
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Not huge sports fan but I do like to take an interest and follow major events. Last night's game was tlhoroughly enjoyable and I hope they progress further than they have in previous competitions.
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No follower of the sport. But I like to dip into the World Cup/Euros. The below sums me up
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESVjzf4FzyU
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Cycling and a bit of walking, tiny bit of swimming are all that I am active in.
Watching?
Football (round) NO! A hundred times no!
Rugby YES! Union obviously.
Cycling Yes
Snooker yes, but of course it isn't a sport. It's a pastime, or a recreational activity. It's in exactly the same category as darts.
Golf yes.
That's it.
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I suppose I must be another weird one. I love sport, but only if I'm the one playing or participating. Watching other people doing it has never held my attention. Not to say I can't appreciate the skill of someone being an expert at what they do, just not for very long.
I also simply can't relate to the concept of "supporting" a team or individual, just couldn't care less who wins unless it's me playing, when I care a lot.
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I am not much interested, either. I only ever attended one live match, QPR v. The Canaries at the Carrow Road ground, about 1946. However I sometimes watch on TV if the national team is playing against foreigners and liked last night's contest, but what a pity about our deserved black mark for what seemed to be a deliberate foul.
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>>I am not much interested, either. I only ever attended one live match,
i am very similar in that I have only attended two matches, Brentford v ??? some 50 years ago and The Olympic Final at Wembley - Mexico v Brazil.
An odd sort of affair. lots of fans outside, bands etc.
Inside it was surprisingly quiet and very little atmosphere I guess that was because few fans of the teams were there.
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>> i am very similar in that I have only attended two matches, Brentford v ???
>> some 50 years ago and The Olympic Final at Wembley - Mexico v Brazil.
Ha! Strange. I think I have only been to one professional football game. That was also Brentford v AN Other. Even further back than yours!
Thread drift. I think I must be one of the few people left who have seen Baseball at Twickenham.
During WW2 the Americans - there was a large camp in Bushy Park - put on a game of baseball at HQ.
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>>During WW2 the Americans - there was a large camp in Bushy Park
Even bigger thread drift.
There is a painting by a well known American painter depicting some Americans in the park at that era.
Where is the painting ? In the Kennedy Space Centre. Even the guide or the local historical society here knew nothing about it.
Title " Little Rocket men in England ". Did Trump copy Rocket Man from that source :-(
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I guess if I really loved football then I would watch entire matches at home on my own. I don't.
I enjoy my little of oasis of peace on a Saturday evening around 5/6ish Chile time when I can watch and enjoy Match of the Day with a beer. A bunch of games at about 5 - 10 of the best minutes from each game works well for me.
On the other hand yesterday I went to watch the England game in a local bar with about 60 other Brits, must of whom are people I know anyway and the bar is owned by a good friend of mine.
We had a great time and we'll be doing it again at 8:00am on Sunday morning, though this time with a Full English Breakfast.
Was I at home on my own, however, the most I'd usually watch would be the highlights.
I think, for me, it's about the experience rather than just plainly watching a game of football.
I try not to care about who wins at any level beyond that game, since that spoils my enjoyment. A bit difficult of course when watching England - I usually support England unless they are playing Wales. There's not all that many occasions to support Wales.
I think the NFL is the only sport where I will watch entire games on the TV [computer] since that's not a game where highlights work well.
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I was (accidentally) in Italy for the the finals in 1990 - I really enjoyed sitting in a bar watching some of the matches. Same in Boston in 2014, sitting in a bar on Copley Square eating turkey curry and quaffing a cheeky little Sam Adams IPA was somehow different.
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>> bit of the footy as I usually do, for Euros and World Cup only, but
>> I realised the other day I can no longer name more than about 1 of
>> the England squad.
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Gordon Banks?
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Gordon Banks is dead sadly.
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"Gordon Banks is dead sadly."
Unless he's only just died, he's alive and 80.
Is this fake news that you're giving us?
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>> "Gordon Banks is dead sadly.">>
You might be thinking of Gordon West, the former Everton and England keeper, who died six years ago at the age of 69.
West was one of many outstanding English keepers at that time, including Gordon Banks, so his England appearances were rationed to just three.
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I have absolutely no interest in football at all, and never have. However we were living in Japan when the 2002 World Cup was on, and I did get (free) tickets to a number of matches at the Yokohama stadium, including the final. My office was just round the corner so I went to a few. It’s very entertaining telling the diehard football fans at work that I’ve been to a World Cup final, but can’t remember who played, or who won. But the hospitality and food were amazing :)
This tells me all I need to know about the average football fan... :(
www.independent.co.uk/life-style/world-cup-2018-england-matches-domestic-violence-surge-football-police-a8405871.html
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. It’s very entertaining telling
>> the diehard football fans at work that I’ve been to a World Cup final, but
>> can’t remember who played, or who won.
That's incredibly generous from someone to get free tickets to a world cup final.
But the hospitality and food were amazing :)
were there any prawn sandwiches?
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I find soccer boring.
How can anyone support a team labelled, say "Chelsea", or "Manchester United" when (a) they don't live there and (b) nearly all the players are imports from other countries, with little or no local connection?
In any event as far as I can see, the reason the England soccer team are not very good is that the domestic game, at its highest level (from which level one would expect a national team to be drawn) has very few Englishmen in it.
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Rock on Roger. I’m with you ALL of the way.
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I must confess to having quite a strong interest in football - I would not call myself a 'fan' as I have always understood the word to be an abbreviated form of 'fanatic' and, these days, I'm not fanatical about anything.
I am a member and season ticket holder at our local club [step 4 non-league] and these days my duties are to apply my knowledge of herbicides to controlling weeds around the ground; I have a spray-operators licence.
For some 7 seasons, I was the 'stadium' announcer until I hit a spell when I could no longer make the commitment. During that period, I saw the goalie Nick Pope start his rise through the ranks to the England squad. At that time, he could rarely get a run-out in our first team as we already had the best keeper in the league but then, a Charlton Athletic scout must have seen the potential in this Ipswich Town reject and off he went. Nick is a very decent lad with a tremendous work ethic and willingness to learn. When he went to Burley at the start of last season, he was the 3rd in-line goalie but then, the first goalie (as I understand it) retired and Tom Heaton (2nd goalie) suffered a very bad shoulder injury. Nick had to step up to the mark, and ended the season with the best goalkeeping stats in the Premier League, apart from David De Gea (Man U) - who is Spanish.
When I retired, I recall a friend telling me of the danger of only socialising with old people - it only makes you older - this is one reason why I spend time at the club and avoid age-specific organisations like the U3A.
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>> I find soccer boring.
>> How can anyone support a team labelled, say "Chelsea", or "Manchester United" when (a) they
>> don't live there and (b) nearly all the players are imports from other countries, with
>> little or no local connection?
Perhaps they should all come from one mile of the centre circle, that would work. ;-)
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>> I find soccer boring.
>> How can anyone support a team labelled, say "Chelsea", or "Manchester United" when (a) they
>> don't live there and (b) nearly all the players are imports from other countries, with
>> little or no local connection?
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(a) Most supporters do live locally to the club they support
(b) Players come and go, but the club is a constant. Most have been fixtures in their local area for well over a century and identify with their home town.
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You find football boring. Hundreds of million of people don't. The chances are you are missing something.
Why does the nationality of your local clubs players matter? When you support a side you want it to field the best players available not the best players who happen to live within a few miles of the ground.
To most football English football supporters the World cup is an interesting diversion. something to watch in the close season The result that matter are those of your club.
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>> To most football English football supporters the World cup is an interesting diversion. something to
>> watch in the close season The result that matter are those of your club.
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Quite right. Ask any true fan whether they'd rather their club won the league (Or even avoided relegation) or England won the World Cup and in all cases it would be the former.
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Quite right. Ask any true fan whether they'd rather their club won the league (Or
>> even avoided relegation) or England won the World Cup and in all cases it would
>> be the former.
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Hmm not sure about that, I can't claim to have done some in depth survey but I don't think it's that clear cut.
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I prefer rugby but watched the England game with fellow English in a bar in Crete with coffee and ouzo. Good fun after the 91st minute winner calmed the atmosphere of despair usually associated with supporting England.
We are always abroad somewhere for World cup or European Championships so usually watch in a bar somewhere but once watched England v Portugal on a huge screen in Funchal Main Square in the middle of 2000 fanatical Portuguese.
Sunday provides a dilemma for SWMBO because the England game clashes with her favoured F1 so she has to try to ensure that one of the 3 screens in the local bar is turned over to that .
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>> Hmm not sure about that, I can't claim to have done some in depth survey
>> but I don't think it's that clear cut.
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I've never met a genuine supporter (One who goes to watch his team through thick or thin) who puts country before club.
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Fair enough, we all have different experiences.
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"Fair enough, we all have different experiences".
I wish all internet responses were like that ! I may well steal that one.
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"I've never met a genuine supporter (One who goes to watch his team through thick or thin) who puts country before club."
I guess I fit that description of a genuine supporter as I attend almost all of our home games along with a smattering of away fixtures. I obviously have a greater affinity with my local team than with the more remote national side - but that's not to say that I don't have an interest in England or the World Cup ...... though I can do without the corruption associated with FIFA and the selection of host nation.
My local ground is only 10 minutes away from home so I can cycle down or take the car (free parking) if the weather doesn't suit. England usually play at Wembley so I would need to allow 4 hrs or so before K.O. and travelling/parking/admission etc costs would be significant. I hope that, with the ownership of Wembley due to change in the near future, then we can see more England games at regional stadiums.
As far as I remember, my only attendance at an England game was in October '97 when two of us hosted 4 customers at the England/Italy WC qualifier in Rome. We were middle aged blokes travelling with the official England supporters club, but the Italian police went completely ott. After the (0-0) game, we were frogmarched by police with snarling dogs back to our coach and, even though a few more folks were left, we were ordered to leave. We were then paraded 3 times round Rome escorted by a police car in front and an armoured car behind - complete with machine gunner - those boys were intent on making a drama out of nothing.
Next morning, our coach took us back from the hotel to the airport where we did the usual duty-free thing and sat around waiting. The flight was called and we boarded the bus to take us to the plane - whereupon another armoured car appeared to escort us across the tarmac. The stupidity was complete. As the plane gathered speed on the runway the hummed 'Dam Busters March' grew louder - English sense of humour! The story is on here .....
www.independent.co.uk/news/england-fans-outraged-by-brutal-italians-1235661.html
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I can understand how annoying that must have been, Haywain. But 1997 was just twelve years after Heysel and I can also understand the Italians going through a belt and braces routine because of that. Like terrorism, football hooliganism unfortunately inconvenienced the lives of the vast majority who had nothing to do with it while the perpetrators sat back satisfied with the result their notoriety had achieved.
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I am a long time family and location of birth driven football fan, albeit now largely lapsed. In the early 70's I was part of the hooligan problem.
I have for the last 20 years been largely a football agnostic, dismissive of how the modern game has become.
Two very recent games have been lights of light in the darkness.
World Cup 2018, Spain vs Portugal. I just happened to tune in more in hope i guess. It was everything good that football can be, a beautiful skillful game, with drama and passion
The England game on Monday. I was away from home for a few days, myself and the dog wandered into a boozer in Towcester, where I preceded to watch the game in a crowd, accompanied by a couple of beers and a steak sandwich and chips. It was a very communal, socially mixed levelling event
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>> The England game on Monday. I was away from home for a few days, myself
>> and the dog wandered into a boozer in Towcester, where I preceded to watch the
>> game in a crowd, accompanied by a couple of beers and a steak sandwich and
>> chips. It was a very communal, socially mixed levelling event
Which boozer in Towcester?. And what you doing on my Manor* :-)
*I'm currently 500+ miles away in Tarbert Harris.
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I was on a three day course up those parts, too far to travel every day, so had a nearby travelodge. The pub was The Bull.
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As a youngster, I couldn't get enough of football. My allegiance changed a couple of times, eventually plumping for Everton at the age of around 8. If I wasn't watching football, I was playing football and pretending I was Tony Cottee, or Adrian Heath.
Now? A total disinterest in club football. I don't agree with the way the game has gone - Guy Martin has got it right when he says he doesn't see the point in watching 22 millionaires kicking a bag of wind around.
There's a couple of dads at school pick up who are devoted to their teams - fair enough to them. I'm sure I'm seen as odd because I'm not that fussed.
I've watched a few bits of a few games of the World Cup. I can take it or leave it really.
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As usually hakppens I get drawn into these completions. Have now watched five games in full. The more you watch and take an interest the more interesting it becomes. Argentina v Croatia last night was a good match with some great goals.
It’s easy to be one cynical as you get older but I think football is now probably a greater and more skilfull game than it has ever been.
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I'm not a great football fan either, although I do like to watch the World Matches.
But like you, I am a big armchair skiing fan, as is my wife. Here in Austria, every Saturday and Sunday in the winter it's wall-to-wall skiing on the television, with pre-race interviews, analysis of the runs and skiers, the actual races, then in-depth post-race analyses. The coverage is very fair, it's not overly Austria biased, and they have a lot of time for Dave Ryding. The downside is, of course, that it's all in German, like the current football coverage, but it has helped us with our understanding of the language due to it's repetitive nature when they commentate on the runs.
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Well happy...6-1 to England and now Lewis leading the Grand Prix ...into my third litre of Zorbas beer in the local sports bar...
Watching F1 in France in a Greek bar on German TV...how international is that?
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>Watching F1 in France in a Greek bar on German TV...how international is that?
Just watched England on Argentinian TV in an Irish Bar in Chile.
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>> and now Lewis leading the Grand Prix
Thanks big mouth. I've been avoiding news reports all day so that I could watch the highlights at 22:15.
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>> Thanks big mouth. I've been avoiding news reports all day so that I could watch
>> the highlights at 22:15.
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It shows how little interest there is among the general public now that live coverage on free to view has all but ceased, that C4 chose to put it on that late at night.
I believe the whole lot moves to pay TV from next season?
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>> It shows how little interest there is among the general public now that live coverage
>> on free to view has all but ceased, that C4 chose to put it on
>> that late at night.
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>> I believe the whole lot moves to pay TV from next season?
So there will be even fewer people watching?
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>> It shows how little interest there is among the general public now that live coverage on free to
>> view has all but ceased, that C4 chose to put it on that late at night.
Sky chose to rerun coverage at 7pm tonight (possibly football related) and therefore the rights C4 has meant it was going to be on late.
I too was avoiding F1 coverage but thought it safe to look at a football thread on here earlier. I watched the re-run on Sk F1 at 7pm so know the result.
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Sorry to those avoiding the F1 information.I was watching live coverage in Crete where we are two hours ahead of UK so just thought it was live on C4 in Uk as well.
At least I did not give out the final result.
I did not realise you guys without Sky had to wait so late for the highlights.10 pm !
Spoiler alert ...we whitewashed the Aussies in the cricket as well..
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>> thought it was live on C4 in Uk as well.
C4 only get some of the races live and France was not one of them. Time of highlights is dictated by Sky and since Sky rerun the full race coverage from 7pm to 9pm C4 had to wait until later to show the highlights. Qualifying highlights were shown earlier on Saturday.
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Somebody explain to me, please, why England flags have 'ENGLAND' written on them?
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Having looked at some pictures of supporters at the games in Russia the answer is for the most part they don’t.
And ifor those that do is that an issue?
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So what's it like in England now, do the roads still empty for England games like they used to in the nineties or has it quietened down?
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Bet there isn’t a full gym class tonight 7>8, although most of the class is made up of females so could be wrong.
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The big question is of course, knowing its going to be a farce and England will lose, do I watch the game or not? down the pub or not.
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Oh, please let them win, just for once.
I am going down the pub, but I shall be with three Colombians in the middle of a large crowd of English.
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Only 5 of us at the gym training session tonigh5 so football took its toll. Despite not watching a full game this century, and having zero interest, I’m really pleased that our national team have progressed. By whatever means. A win is a win.
I heard on the news that they play their next opponents on Saturday...big plug now for our Lakeland ldwa walking group...we’re catching the 09:00 X6 (Barrow) bus from Kendal that day, getting off at Witherslack then easy 14m linear walk back to Kendal via the Lyth Valley ( famous for its damsons) and Scout Scar. All welcome.
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Missed most of the game due to a meeting booked months ago although did manage to catch most of the extra time and the penalties.Now about to watch the highlights.
Have also now realised that on Saturday at 3pm for the next game I will be in No 1 court at Wimbledon with SWMBO so will have to set the recorder again.....
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I'm sure she won't notice you missing...
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Good match - England dominated especially down the wings, until they took the lead.
They looked awful in 'keep the advantage' mode and in the 1st half of extra-time, and looked good again in the last 15 mins.
Surely good enough to pump the Swedes and reach the last 4....
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The good thing is that this is a young team, a team without reputations and egos to uphold*, a team prepared to play for their country and not their image rights.
The manager is canny, with recent international experience, not some old fart.
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Dangerous talk, the Swedes have a strong defence and Kane apart England lack goalscorers. The best thing Southgate did was leaving the likes of Hart behind, people with big egos and a misplaced sense of their worth.
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Genuinely great to see an England team that seems to want to be there and want to win, rather than recent teams that have acted like they're doing the world a favour by turning up. The relative youth and lack of egos is refreshing, as Z mentioned above. It's like a breath of fresh air. Also it seems the expectations were lower (more realistic?) this time round too, which has perhaps eased the pressure a little.
I will confess, I have little interest in football until major tournaments such as the World Cup and the Euros, where I watch as many matches as I can. The international tournaments are much more interesting to me because the players in the teams are actually from the countries they are playing for. In league football, it's just about who has the biggest wallet on the transfer market. Apart from the location of the ground, no premiership team really has anything to do with the town or city it calls itself. That's why I can't really get behind or "support" any of them. They have nothing to do with anything, in my view.
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I followed Chelsea as a kid - they were doing well in the early 1970s :-) but really can't stand the way that laundered money has been allowed to buy into and ruin the game. I might watch the highlights of big games if I have nothing better to do, but last night for the Columbia game I timed my cycle home from work (NW London) to Surrey to coincide with the roads being quieter!
My two boys (17 and 14) also have very little interest in watching the game but have enjoyed playing local youth club football. Quite a relief as I don't have to pay exorbitant Sky/BT/Amazon subscription fees!
I do love it when the Olympics is on as you get to see such under-represented sports, played by people who really love their games and aren't just doing it for the money. Also I can't wait to see the Tour de France and downhill skiing is always a good watch.
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>> I do love it when the Olympics is on as you get to see such
>> under-represented sports, played by people who really love their games and aren't just doing it
>> for the money. Also I can't wait to see the Tour de France and downhill
>> skiing is always a good watch.
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Contrary to what many people like to believe, footballers are not playing for the money but for genuine love of the game. If the sport was amateur they would still be turning up to train after work and giving up their weekends for matches.
Of course it isn't amateur and they earn a fortune at the top level, leaving their clubs for more money when it is on offer. But no one ever turns money down and we'd all change jobs for a significant pay increase, no matter how much we might love what we already do.
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>> But no one ever turns money down and we'd all change jobs for a significant pay increase, no >> matter how much we might love what we already do.
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I know it's drifting from football but I really think that's over simplification. Many people have other things that are more important than money in their lives, OK a reasonable amount makes life choices a bit easier, but I think even a lot of the folks on here would not up sticks and move to remote, maybe primitive, parts of the world, (say) leaving family etc behind for any amount of money
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>> I know it's drifting from football but I really think that's over simplification. Many people
>> have other things that are more important than money in their lives, OK a reasonable
>> amount makes life choices a bit easier, but I think even a lot of the
>> folks on here would not up sticks and move to remote, maybe primitive, parts of
>> the world, (say) leaving family etc behind for any amount of money
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But if your career was going to be over shortly after you reached thirty (Or ended tomorrow if you were badly injured) and your qualifications were no more than enough to get you a job stacking shelves in Tesco you would have to give serious consideration to earning all you could while you were able to.
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>>But if your career was going to be over shortly after you reached thirty
I know this used to be the case when footballers werent paid much more than then normal worker but things are totally changed
1. they can earn enough in one year to probably sustain them for life
2. very few of us will be lucky enough to stick at the one employer, or one type of job, for all our lives. At some point we will maybe need to retrain, change job altogether or whatever. so why shouldn't a footballer be prepared to move to a different job when retired?
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1. they can earn enough in one year to probably sustain them for life
For a normal person maybe, but they have a very different and expensive lifestyle.
>> 2. very few of us will be lucky enough to stick at the one employer,
>> or one type of job, for all our lives. At some point we will maybe
>> need to retrain, change job altogether or whatever. so why shouldn't a footballer be prepared
>> to move to a different job when retired?
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Many do, TV, coaching, business etc.
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>>I think even a lot of the folks on here would not up sticks and move to remote, maybe primitive, parts of the world, (say) leaving family etc behind for any amount of money
I did, for a fair amount, but left the job eventually because it became boring (you've seen one rubber tree, you've seen them all, and I had about half a million of them). I became a teacher, which was very interesting, if ill-paid.
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>> folks on here would not up sticks and move to remote, maybe primitive, parts of
>> the world, (say) leaving family etc behind for any amount of money
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I've known a fair few move to somewhat remote parts of the world for the money.
Those that stayed longer tended to be married, those that were single tended not to stay too long.
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>>I've known a fair few move to somewhat remote parts of the world for the money.
Me.
Repeatedly.
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And me, but I will say I don't really know where I'm from now, not that it matters really. I suppose it's where you lay your hat, so to speak.
Having said that. I do get this strange feeling of "belonging" whenever see the Edinburgh skyline on the rare occasions I approach the city by car. Not that I've lived there for nearly 40 years. It's sort of like taking a heavy rucksack off and kicking off your shoes. If you can even vaguely see what I mean?
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I know *exactly* what you mean and will probably use your analogy in the future..
I get precisely that feeling on the approach to Heathrow.
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Money doesn't matter unless you run out; at least when the children are self supporting.
It's debatable whether money is actually a motivator for most people. Even some who appear to have the greatest love for money are often more turned on more by the status and bragging rights of a big salary, and immediately make themselves poorer by buying the proverbial Porsche or whatever. I don't think many people actually work harder if they get a pay rise.
I could have increased my earnings substantially on a couple of occasions by working in London. But I hate commuting so much that I didn't consider it for very long.
Having to earn money, as most of us did or do, just leaves less time for other things. Being mainly motivated by money doesn't sound like a blessing.
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>>It's debatable whether money is actually a motivator for most people. Even some who appear
>>to have the greatest love for money are often more turned on more by the status and
>>bragging rights of a big salary, and immediately make themselves poorer by buying the
>>proverbial Porsche or whatever.
I can't answer for most people, but your statement is 100% wrong for me.
>>I could have increased my earnings substantially on a couple of occasions by working in
>>London. But I hate commuting so much that I didn't consider it for very long.
If I offered you £1bn to work in London for 5 years or £10.50 to work wherever, you would take the London commute. Seemingly the increase you were offered was insufficient for you to be inconvenienced, but there was a price that would have worked.
>> Being mainly motivated by money doesn't sound like a blessing.
It's as good a way as any to motivate a person to stick at a job. Lifelong martyrdom would be hard.
>>I don't think many people actually work harder if they get a pay rise.
No, perhaps not. But they'll work harder to get it. And the next one.
Money alone is not the whole story, but to dismiss it as a motivator is at best naïve.
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>> Money alone is not the whole story, but to dismiss it as a motivator is
>> at best naïve.
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It is only a motivator to the extent that you want it more than other things that you lose in getting it.
In your youth, it is often a bigger motivator than it is later on when you have more to lose in other ways.
It is also, like many other things, a matter of scale and proportion, a salary of, say, 50-75k for working close to home with wife & family nice car etc may mean that 100-125k communing in to London with 4 hours+ travel every day and probably more stress would not be worth going for, whereas if you were single and were into theatre & fine dining it may be very attractive.
I made that sort of career & family balance choice 15 years ago and have never regretted it, I know a lot of others who have also done that at various career stages some at a lower level than I and others at a higher level than I. I am still working 3 years after I could have retired, it certainly isn't for the money.
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If you had offered me £1bn, or even £50,000, 20 years ago then I would have taken it IF the only alternative was £10.50 an hour, but that doesn't make money the motivator, just a necessity. You might as well say that water is a motivator to a dehydrated man.
If you offered me the £1bn now it wouldn't take more than a second to turn it down. I have things I would much rather do than work, or commute, and I have enough money to do them.
Herzberg on motivation is interesting. Money might influence where people work, but it isn't usually what makes them do a good job.
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Anyone living in Scotland answer my questions, please?
Are the Scots watching the World Cup?
Are they watching England games?
Whom are they supporting?
Do they cheer when England score, or win? Or does the pub go quiet?
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I hope the England team will not be intimidated by the latest Novichok incident.
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England v Colombia was first game I've watched start to finish.
If England play well then I want them to win.
Moreso if they show guts and determination against possibly technically better opponents.
As Zero mentions, they are a young team lacking fevered egos being captained and managed by apparently genuinely decent human beings.
Am currently on a cruise ship in the Baltic with a handful of English and mostly other Europeans so can't comment on the reaction of my countrymen back home.
I expect it's similar to mine: play well and show heart and they'll be congratulated.
We've had 50 years of "1966" - 50 more of "2018" would be bearable if they deserve it ;-)
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Of course you must expect a bit of leg pulling and banter from us Scots, its traditional in both directions. But as Lygonos says, I think most of us would be very proud if England won, we are after all fellow Brits, and this country needs something to cheer it up more than ever right now. I wish them every success.
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The English [and Welsh] support Andy Murray, I think. You'd hope it would be similar.
Tomorrow is not going to be an easy match. I very much hope England win, but I worry.....
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>> The English [and Welsh] support Andy Murray, I think. You'd hope it would be similar.
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>> Tomorrow is not going to be an easy match. I very much hope England win,
>> but I worry.....
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Not sure I can watch it, pretty convinced its going to be a miserable English failure, but if, just if we do win the World Cup (there I said it) would we rub the jocks noses in it for the next 52 years? No of course not*
*Ok I lie. Football wise the next 52 years would be hell for them now we have the internet to taunt them over as well.
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With attitudes like that I can understand why some Scots want anyone to win but England. Surely not all football fans have the same mentality? (Though thinking about it there is some considerable history of many being fairly offensive in one way or another, supposedly in support of "their" team)
Or maybe it's just "banter". But I doubt that.
It's probably one reason why many Scots seem to genuinely dislike the English, which is a shame as we all get tarred with the same brush.
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>> It's probably one reason why many Scots seem to genuinely dislike the English, which is
>> a shame as we all get tarred with the same brush.
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Don't forget alot love to hate, plenty define their sports by needing to dislike someone.
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>> Don't forget alot love to hate, plenty define their sports by needing to dislike someone.
Its not hate. Its sporting rivalry, with banter.
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>> Its not hate. Its sporting rivalry, with banter.
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Perhaps too strong a word but I think you know what i meant.
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>> With attitudes like that I can understand
No you don't, you don't understand at all, not even a teeny tiny bit, You have absolutely no idea.
Before you come out with the "no wonder the Scotts don't like us" do you have any idea, any idea at all what it would be like if the Jocks won the World Cup?
No, None. You don't understand, so leave the high and mighty judgements at home.
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>> It's probably one reason why many Scots seem to genuinely dislike the English, which is
>> a shame as we all get tarred with the same brush.
In 1974 and '78 when Scotland qualified and England didn't most English people were behind Scotland - you only had to watch the game in a pub to understand that. This was despite the Scots taunting England over not being there. However, over the years the Jocks have got very wearisome with their continued anti-England bias, so the attitude south of the border has hardened against them. Any flack they get over their football team is what they have brought on themselves.
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>> Whom are they supporting?
Two of my colleagues have taken a fair chunk of their annual leave over last three weeks to watch the footy. They've got England flags meant for car windows attached to their desk trays and a big English flag over the stationery cabinet.
Our current Office Manager is a Scot (Fife I think) and while on our floor yesterday on some mission or another claimed to find the flag offensive and that having been a Colombian earlier in the week she was a Swede pending outcome of today. I suspect she was on a wind up mission and when, absent the footie fans, got no response went off on another yarn.
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> Our current Office Manager is a Scot (Fife I think) and while on our floor
>> yesterday on some mission or another claimed to find the flag offensive and that having
>> been a Colombian earlier in the week she was a Swede pending outcome of today.
No doubt off to find claims of Croatian ancestry this week ;-)
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>>If you offered me the £1bn now it wouldn't take more than a second to turn it down...
The moment I think of the difference I could make to the lives of my children, my sister, my parents, other friends & relatives, needy causes/people etc. etc. I don't see how I could turn it down.
>Money might influence where people work, but it isn't usually what makes them do a good job.
Firstly you were talking about location, not quality. Secondly that is incomplete. Might does not directly ensure people do a good job, but the lack of money that is felt to be deserved, or simply less than others, most certainly reduces the chances of them doing a good job.
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An acquaintance of mine works behind the bar at a local ‘club’. The last England game, being shown on a large tv was the last one they will screen. Apparently when England scored, and at the final whistle, drinks were liberally thrown around. Carpets and chairs soaked in lager, and Guinness stains all over the ceiling
Retards
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Par for the course, I'm slightly surprised the club didn't know that would happen. Not that I'm saying it's fine, just that it's very common for that sort of thing to happen.
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Terrible behaviour but not unsurprising. Sad we can do that as Brits.
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You should have seen the final state of the bar in Crete that we were in when Greece played Russia in the European championships a few years back.
Drunken Russians are as bad if not worse than drunken English fans....
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Not entirely a Scotland/England thing.
Plenty of my Northern English pals would think twice before extinguishing a burning southerner with their urine.
As for throwing around an alcoholic beverage you have paid for??...
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>> Plenty of my Northern English pals would think twice before extinguishing a burning southerner with
>> their urine.
It's nice to be popular and feel wanted.
>> As for throwing around an alcoholic beverage you have paid for??...
Quite agree.
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Well done our lot. Turned off the commentary on BBC1 as I found it a load of twaddle. Football is OK to a decent bit of blues.
Even I, I who know nothing, could understand what was happening without their condescending and patronising crap.
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That was an impressive calm measured performance, They went for the win and got it easily.
OM ruddy G, it could actually be coming home.
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Careful Z, it's the hope that kills.
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I'm with Ro'R, less optimism please.
b***** great match, we packed 100 or so Brits into a bar, served full English and booze, and had a really good time.
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Oh, and by the way, I was sat with three scotch people and they were, to use their words, England all the way.
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Fantastic game.
I don't follow football unless it's a major tournament. Really enjoyed the games against Panama and Columbia!
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I couldn't watch, I dipped in and out of the game and spent most of the time cowering behind the sofa with my ears covered. If I was in the stadium my eyes would have been glued to every second of the action, but I can't watch a match on TV if the result really matters to me as I am just a bag of nerves.
Strange that, but I've been like it for years. If they do reach the final it will be different, I could take defeat then but going out in any of the rounds is just a miserable experience.
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Who did they work for Dewars' or Haig..?
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>> Oh, and by the way, I was sat with three scotch people and they were,
>> to use their words, England all the way.
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...they were good eggs, then.....
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>> Careful Z, it's the hope that kills.
Hey. like you I carry a certain Boleyn heritage, I know all about dreams that fade and die.
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Solid performance against a rather lacklustre Sweden (or was it England making the Swedes look a bit tame?)
Much less cheating than the Colombians too (they should sine dei persistent 'simulators')
Again nice play down the wings but also a bit more midfield action.
England may lack strikers but they look very effective in the air, and I do like the way they line-out for corners.
Belgium look the best outfit so far - the team to beat?
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Was in London sorting out a Brompton for Mrs B but heard the shout go up for second goal from the audience in The Freemason's Arms.
Lots going on in London with Gay Pride too.
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>> Was in London sorting out a Brompton for Mrs B but heard the shout go
>> up for second goal from the audience in The Freemason's Arms.
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London Pride from Fullers will do thank you.
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Belgium look the best outfit so far - the team to beat?
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I'd say France, especially with mbappe.
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I was riveted by it, what a great game! And to contextualise that, I'm not particularly a follower of football or even slightly English.
Getting very exciting now, all credit to them.
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> Getting very exciting now, all credit to them.
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Very much so, would have been epic against the hosts. But still a tremendous game coming up.
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What a cheek. Moving Emmerdale yet again for men in shorts kicking a ball about :)
Pat
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After seeing the lunchtime news headlines - as a glass-is-half-empty, football-watching realist, I wonder how our there-are-no-losers snowflakes would cope if god-forbid, we lose :-(
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I hadn't wanted to get drawn into this contest as far as I have been. I feel like those kids reported recently, who were so unable to tear themselves away from their screens that they had to wet themselves where they sat rather than miss a second of their viewing. Being of a nervous disposition, I tend to get over-excited so I will have to take a double Beta-blocker pill to keep my pulse low this evening and just hope my pacemaker will keep it from stopping altogether in the event that we lose.
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A son is dog sitting for a England Team fanatic.
Dog settled down OK but he sent piccies of their dog every few days.
On Saturday past he sent the a photo of their dog wearing a Swedish Flag - actually the dog was wearing a 2 year old Baby-gro!
Best £5 wind-up he has had for ages.
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I met a bloke down the pub last night wearing a Croatian shirt.
"What part of Croatia are you from?" I asked.
He replied, "Glasgow."
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Interesting watching this from a Scottish perspective.
Contrary to public feeling, we don't hate the English as such. We hate the English media and that is two distinctly different dimensions.
The average English guy wanting his country to win, absolutely fine with that. I would even say that the players and managers seem on the most, pretty ok, almost humble when it comes to GS.
But we in Scotland have very little option than to have the whole England thing thrown down our throats. So for example, if we want to watch the world cup, there is no Scottish broadcast. So we get Lineker et al and no matter what game I have seen, even in the early rounds for example, at half time in the matches we always got a "lets go over to the England camp to see how they are doing". I get that we are outnumbered by whatever ratio but the fact that BBC and ITV just assume that everyone wants to know about England really bugs us Scots (and maybe Welsh are the same)
To get things in perspective, Shearer, Wright and Lineker are paid more by the BBC than the BBC pay for the full year's rights to Scottish football.
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>> To get things in perspective, Shearer, Wright and Lineker are paid more by the BBC
>> than the BBC pay for the full year's rights to Scottish football.
My old age pension is worth more than a full year's rights to Scottish football, so whatever above that the SFA are getting is a bonus for them.
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> But we in Scotland have very little option than to have the whole England thing
>> thrown down our throats. So for example, if we want to watch the world cup,
>> there is no Scottish broadcast. So we get Lineker et al and no matter what
>> game I have seen, even in the early rounds for example, at half time in
>> the matches we always got a "lets go over to the England camp to see
>> how they are doing". I get that we are outnumbered by whatever ratio but the
>> fact that BBC and ITV just assume that everyone wants to know about England really
>> bugs us Scots (and maybe Welsh are the same)
I don't understand what should they do, go to the Scottish camp at half time?
I honestly don't understand.
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>> and no matter what
>> game I have seen, even in the early rounds for example, at half time in
>> the matches we always got a "lets go over to the England camp to see
>> how they are doing".
we can fix that.
"Lets go over to the Scottish World Cup camp"
Camera swings to empty camp...............
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I can't watch....
But I need to watch....
Oh God....
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I just can't watch, my nerves are in shreds just checking the score on the internet. I'll be able to watch the final if we get there, I don't mind finals. You can lose, but you don't have the crushing despair of getting knocked out.
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I'm in a bar, no sofa to hide behind. I am a wreck.
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Just been out to to a TV-less pub to miss it, come back and it's in extra time.
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Awww, next time by a tv with an off button or a channel changer.
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>> Awww, next time by a tv with an off button or a channel changer.
Did I say it made sense? Picked wife up from station, fancied a drink so selected pub accordingly.
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A very pleasant late afternoon wander then a pint in one of my locals. Decided to leave at 6:30 when the England shirted hordes arrived and the decibel levels went through the roof. Home and cleaned bedrooms, 3 velux windows and filled wild bird feeders. Made a sausage sandwich....off to bed now with a good book. Early start as walking with chums tomorrow then 2 days backpacking Pennine Way this weekend from Haltwhistle.
Hope England win as it means a lot to millions
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Four more years of hurt to go :-(
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for sale - 1 waistcoat :)
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They think it's all over.........but we've still got the third place play-off.
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As a soon as we missed two easy chances (the guy kicked it against the goal post from 6 inches) I knew that was it and went out to do the gardening!
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Disappointed but Croatia outplayed them in the end.
Couple of sloppy backpasses to Pickford had me grimacing (I was a goalie).
Few dirties from Croatia but not like the Colombian game.
England need a midfield maestro as they couldn't pump the Croats on the wings tonight, as easily as the earlier opponents.
France for the Bastille Day weekend special?
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Disappointed that we didn't win. I can't help thinking we bossed the first half but went in only one nil up. But nevertheless croatia played really well, there's no doubt we lost to the better team. They were very good and for all the talk of them playing back to back ET games they looked very fit.
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Normally, the England team that gets wheeled out at these tournaments consists of a bunch of disinterested celebrity footballers with egos the size of their bank balances, and seeming to be as concerned with Hello magazine shoots, or their supercar collection as playing for England. And of course they repeatedly lack the work ethic and ability to match the impossible level of completely unrealistic expectation of the fans and the commentators.
This one was refreshingly different.
Croatia played better than us, and deserved this win, but I actually feel nothing but respect and pride for what Southgate and his team have achieved. There was a level of passion, sincerity and humility about England in this tournament that's been sorely lacking for decades. No, they weren't world champion material, but their attitude, conduct, and work ethic have been beyond criticism. And this is a young, inexperienced team under the wing of one of the best managers in a generation, and it has a massively bright future ahead of it.
Well done lads. You did us proud. Bring on the Euros.
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I wasn't expecting it to turn out like that and I demand a replay; if that isn't possible, we should at least be given a vote on the final score.
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I think the reality is that England have blown this big time.
They didn’t have a particular hard group and only decent team was Belgium who beat them.
Meanwhile your Italy, Spain, Germany, Brazil, Argentina’s all chose this WC to be really poor in comparison to recent records.
What I did like is that some of the English players I had never heard of. Which would suggest that they are not all playing for the top teams so the players themselves may get career progress on the back of this. Maybe the top teams need to start believing in English players and not always look for the foreign options.
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>> I think the reality is that England have blown this big time.
I don't really know what that means. Is it like Scotch for "lost"?
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>> Is it like Scotch for "lost"?
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Scottish for "lost" is "Supercillious English losers".
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Scottish for "lost" is "independence referendum"....
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Only a reducing minority regret losing that. :-)
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