After the 2018 local elections, the party has lost nearly all its council seats and is trailing behind the greens by a long long way.....
It was as predicted a one trick pony.
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.....there, corrected that for you.....
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It was also a one man band. Farage could at least act the part of a proper politician. His successors have all been rank amateurs. The current leader apparently wants to move right to become overtly anti-islam etc. and has been buddying up to Tommy Robinson and other disreputables.
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>> .....there, corrected that for you.....
very droll.
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They have a dreadful bunch in the Welsh Assembly.
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Yes, dead and buried.
But hats off to Farage. He came onto the scene and has caused enormous political upheaval to get people to vote his way. Whether you like his policies or not, you have to recognize his 'success' in achieving that. It's a shame his talents couldn't be used more productively...
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...frankly, his success in turning the Conservative party into neo-UKIP must mark him out as being one of the most successful politicians of his era, like him and his politics or not.
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I would agree that UKIP has had its day and did what it needed to do.
Perhaps however it should rebrand as an independent party using common sense values of both left and right without the extremes of both and one who isn't afraid to speak up without fear of being branded with an ism of any sort. A party that sticks two fingers up to the PC brigade and stands up for everyone instead of pandering to minorities.
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Most UKIP voters realized that its raison d'être has been achieved (in theory) - so there is no need for the party to exist - especially after Farage left.
However, if there is any botched attempt to implement Brexit, UKIP might rise from the ashes :-)
I'd say not dead, but a volcano which is dormant now. There is no reason to believe that it won't errupt again.
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>> Perhaps however it should rebrand as an independent party using common sense values of both
>> left and right without the extremes of both and one who isn't afraid to speak
>> up without fear of being branded with an ism of any sort. A party that
>> sticks two fingers up to the PC brigade and stands up for everyone instead of
>> pandering to minorities.
Trouble is that in reality there's no such thing as the PC brigade - more a number of groups who have reasonable demands to be treated properly. Political Correctness, in it's current usage, is a pejorative term coined by those who wished to wind back the gains of 'minorities' like women, gay people, BME groups etc etc.
Most of the wannabe 'winders back' thoroughly deserve to be labelled with an ism of various sorts.
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Organisationally it is done, its no longer a national party and people I know still in the party tell me they are consolidating branches within a county into a single county branch - in its heyday it could support a branch in every Parliamentary constituency.
The direction it went 2016 onwards was increasingly shrill, not to mention flirting with BNP-ish ideology which the BNP had already proven was a non-starter, so why anyone with two communicating brain cells thought it would work now is beyond me.
Current party leader, such as he is being unelected, is a total barmpot.
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Apart from UKIP's collapse nothing much seemed to happen in these elections. Very much as you were.
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>> Apart from UKIP's collapse nothing much seemed to happen in these elections. Very much as
>> you were.
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I'm abroad so haven't really read anything in depth but I think that in itself is quite significant isn't it.? Normally I'd expect a noticeable backlash against the party in power. And with everyone seeming so indisposed to mainstream politics you'd have thought something might have changed.
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"And with everyone seeming so indisposed to mainstream politics you'd have thought something might have changed."
Something has changed .......... i.e. nothing has changed.
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>> Normally I'd expect a noticeable backlash against the party in
>> power. And with everyone seeming so indisposed to mainstream politics you'd have thought something might
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Labour certainly failed to take some key targets, particularly London Boroughs of Barnet and Kensington Chelsea. The former actually went back to Tories after being no overall control. In an area with several large Jewish communities that's probably down to allegations of Antisemitism in Labour*.
Nationally though there are other factors, not least the collapse of UKIP. I've also heard it said that these seats, most of them contested every four years, have actually been relatively static since a time when Labour was at high water. I've not got time to research truth of that but it would, along with UKIP>Tory migration, limit their scope to make gains.
*A cynic might say the headlines and demos have served their purpose!!!
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Perhaps low turnout has been a factor, I'd seen some councils where the turnout is not much above 30%. Low turnout generally leads to little change in the parties i would imagine.
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>> Perhaps low turnout has been a factor, I'd seen some councils where the turnout is
>> not much above 30%. Low turnout generally leads to little change in the parties i
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Its council elections, unless there is a local issue that has inflamed passions, turnout is always pathetic, and its a pity because its at the local level you can get stuff that matters to you done.
Its time that national politics was banned from council elections. Its counter productive to the populous.
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Its council elections, unless there is a local issue that has inflamed passions, turnout is
>> always pathetic, and its a pity because its at the local level you can get
>> stuff that matters to you done.
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>> Its time that national politics was banned from council elections. Its counter productive to the
>> populous.
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I think national politicians find it quite handy though. Gives them another window to campaign in.
Plus of course people perceive that councils do only two things (Or should) empty bins and fill in potholes.
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>> I think national politicians find it quite handy though. Gives them another window to campaign
>> in.
Yes exactly, it shouldn't be another pathetic party squabble.
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Not been a good playground fight for quite some time - very few new threads either.
Let us stir up a bit of the brown stuff with this hilarious link.
www.thepoke.co.uk/2018/05/18/andrew-lilico-blames-remainers/
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My favourite....
You shat the bed; YOU wash the f**king sheets
Last edited by: No FM2R on Fri 18 May 18 at 14:52
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>> My favourite....
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>> You shat the bed; YOU wash the f**king sheets
Or, It was your idea, you should have known what to do next
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>>Not been a good playground fight for quite some time - <<
That's because I'm being good and doing what I'm told, Sherlock:)
But it's boring, isn't it;)
Careful what you wish for is the phrase that springs to mind!
Pat
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But there is. See "No platforming" on university campuses as one example.
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"But there is. ..........."
Sorry, RoR, but it's no use arguing with Brompt - he's been indoctrinated by Common Purpose. Either that, or he has simply failed to grow up.
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"Political Correctness, in it's current usage, is a pejorative term coined by those who wished to wind back the gains of 'minorities' like women, gay people, BME groups etc etc.
Most of the wannabe 'winders back' thoroughly deserve to be labelled with an ism of various sorts. "
Which bit of that would you disagree with? Seems pretty accurate to me.
Or am I simply part of this "PC Group" that you fear so much?
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As a former member of UKIP, I can, rather sadly, confirm that the party is kippered.
The local branch quietly folded with a suprising number, including my wife and I, joining the Conservative Party. (See reason below)
Originally after the Leave vote, we were happy that the real and only objective of the party had been achieved.
Other policies were secondary and in my opinion were really there to lend credibiity as an all round entity, fit to gather votes, thereby putting on the pressure to acheive goal #1.
It worked.
Once the euphoria lessened the question of "what next?" arose. Many were of the opinion that UKIP really should beome a party with policies broad enough that a goal of becoming a genuine third force in UK politics would be possible.
The debacle of multiple leaderships, factional infighting and plain stupidity at the top scuppered that, which left members rudderless and with no motivation.
Seeing the mess being made of the Brexit negotiation by Mrs. May and her "Remainer" colleagues in Cabinet, did prompt a good few of us to join the local Tories who have a "Leaver" PPC, and a pretty Eurosceptic cast of mind membership. The hope is that as the Conservatives are the only party, at present, who can deliver Brexit, the battle is best fought from inside the compound rather than outside it.
Our constituency voted to leave by a substantial margin and despite our opportunistic Labour MP claiming to support Leave when he saw which way the wind was blowing, at the snap GE, ours was one of the few areas where the Tory vote increased, turning a safe Labour seat into a rather less safe one.
Whether grassroots pressure and views have a great effect on CCO is a moot question, but I guess every little helps.
Anything we can do to keep Corbyn from #10 has to be a good thing in my view
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>>The debacle of multiple leaderships, factional infighting and plain stupidity at the top scuppered that, which left members rudderless and with no motivation.<<
Right with you there and as a former branch officer it was especially frustrating to watch it slip away while they messed about arguing over who ran the Leave campaign.
>>The local branch quietly folded with a suprising number, including my wife and I, joining the Conservative Party<<
I was tempted, mainly because a Conservative county councillor who I get on very well with has made several approaches to bring me on board, but I have thus far resisted, having joined a start up party which is proving excellent fun, although the sheer incompetence of the Northants Tories at the county council is far from inspiring!
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It's a pressure group, not a party. It's had it's day, played its part, and it's only policy has now been taken up, or opposed, by the main parties. They may be fractured and disunited over their respective stances on Brexit, but UKIP has nothing useful to contribute now.
In its decline, the rats are joining the sinking ship.
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UKIP is not dead, just dormant like the Black Death. It will return. You can take the General Secretary’s word for that.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44002060
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>> I was tempted, mainly because a Conservative county councillor who I get on very well
>> with has made several approaches to bring me on board, but I have thus far
>> resisted, having joined a start up party which is proving excellent fun, although the sheer
>> incompetence of the Northants Tories at the county council is far from inspiring!
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AMW's or the Vets?
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>>AMW's or the Vets?<<
Neither. I suppose it is less of a start up and more a contemporary reboot for an old brand.
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UKIP dead and Buried? - tyrednemotional
