Non-motoring > Don’t choose the window seat.	Miscellaneous
Thread Author: CGNorwich	Replies: 39

New Wed 18 Apr 18 09:11   Don’t choose the window seat. - CGNorwich

Shades of Goldfinger. I always thought it was a myth. www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-43806880/southwest-airlines-pilot-there-s-a-hole-and-someone-went-out Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 18 Apr 18 10:15   Don’t choose the window seat. - VxFan

This link explains it further. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43803340 Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 18 Apr 18 10:32   Don’t choose the window seat. - BiggerBadderDave

Oh my god. There's no phalange. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 18 Apr 18 10:47   Don’t choose the window seat. - Ambo

It happened on an Air France flight over the Alps in, as I recall, the late 1950s. The passenger was not wearing a seat belt when the window cracked open and he was sucked out. A French friend working for AF commented that it was "a very funny tragedy". Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 18 Apr 18 10:57   Don’t choose the window seat. - CGNorwich

Still not convinced that it is possible to be "sucked out'. Read various reports of the incident and it wold seem she suffered serious head injuries as a result of being struck by debris. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 18 Apr 18 11:09   Don’t choose the window seat. - No FM2R

In any case, surely it's "blown out" not "sucked out"? Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 18 Apr 18 11:14   Don’t choose the window seat. - CGNorwich

Well scientifically I suppose there is no such thing as suction but whatever you call it is it actually possible to be ejected from an aircraft by the deressurisation of a cabin? Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 18 Apr 18 12:57   Don’t choose the window seat. - Bromptonaut

>> Well scientifically I suppose there is no such thing as suction but whatever you call >> it is it actually possible to be ejected from an aircraft by the deressurisation of >> a cabin? Several instances recorded. Pilot of a British Airways BAC 1-11 was ejected by explosive decompression after an incorrectly fitted flight deck window departed the aircraft, which was en-riute from Birmingham to Spain, over Oxfordshire. Co-pilot made an emergency landing at Southampton. Only fast action of crew prevented captain from falling out altogether. He survived and made a full recovery: assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/media/5422faa7e5274a131400078d/1-1992_G-BJRT_2_.pdf Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 18 Apr 18 13:40   Don’t choose the window seat. - CGNorwich

Not really "sucked out'" though was it - more a falling out. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 18 Apr 18 14:23   Don’t choose the window seat. - Bromptonaut

>> Not really "sucked out'" though was it - more a falling out. The accident report uses the word sucked: The commander had been partially sucked out of his windscreen aperture Whether he was actually sucked or blown is a question for scientific nit picking but as the movement was upwards and outwards from his seat he certainly did not fall. Air pressure caused him to be lifted from his seat and ejected through the aperture where the windscreen had been. He was saved by a steward who grasped the commander by his waist and held onto him. Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Wed 18 Apr 18 at 14:26 Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 18 Apr 18 11:28   Don’t choose the window seat. - Zero

>> In any case, surely it's "blown out" not "sucked out"? Depends if you are inside or outside the fuselage Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 18 Apr 18 12:56   Don’t choose the window seat. - Arctophile

Or even the pilot's seat... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_5390 Who remembers this one? Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 18 Apr 18 13:38   Don’t choose the window seat. - rtj70

>> Who remembers this one? Well Bromptonaut did - he posted one minute after you so in all likelihood posted at the same time. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 18 Apr 18 14:00   Don’t choose the window seat. - BiggerBadderDave

That's nothing. Remember this one? www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmqGWjPzr1w 95 people nearly got sucked off but incredibly survived. Only the trolley dolly died. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 18 Apr 18 14:05   Don’t choose the window seat. - sherlock47

BBD You have disappointed me - I was expecting a detailed treatise on the merits of blow and suck :) Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 18 Apr 18 14:11   Don’t choose the window seat. - No FM2R

>>Who remembers this one? I do. I was living in Park Gate at the time and happened to be on the M27 right by the airport when this happened. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 19 Apr 18 12:56   Don’t choose the window seat. - Pezzer

..... I was living in Park Gate at the time ,,,,,,, unless you have been back recently I doubt you would recognise it now ! Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 19 Apr 18 13:14   Don’t choose the window seat. - No FM2R

Not in 25 years. From your comment I guess it's changed? Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 19 Apr 18 16:41   Don’t choose the window seat. - Pezzer

Yes has suffered over the last 5 years (like many places) with new houses/flats being stuffed into any empty space,which is also true of the whole surrounding area. Traffic is now often gridlocked at peak times with several hundred perhaps thousands of further houses currently being thrown up. Especially sad are the developments beside the A27 between Swanick Marina and the windmill at Burseldon. Whiteley is now a huge site on the other side of the motorway comprising Housing, Offices and a large Retail/Outlet centre. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 19 Apr 18 07:50   Don’t choose the window seat. - Cliff Pope

>> >> In any case, surely it's "blown out" not "sucked out"? >> >> Depends if you are inside or outside the fuselage >> I think really it's "carried along by the flow". I don't think people talk about being sucked downstream if they fall into a river. It's just words to describe the result of a generalised application of Le Chatelier's Principle: any system in equilibrium acted on by a change in the parameters will move its point of equilibrium so as to minimise the net forces acting on the system. It can be applied to physics, chemistry, economics, advertising, etc. "Nudge" theory is based on it. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 19 Apr 18 08:36   Don’t choose the window seat. - legacylad

I always prefer a window seat if at all possible. With the low cost carriers I won’t pay extra for a specific seat, but on recent flights I’ve been fortunate in being allocated A or F. On my current away trip it was 32F outbound and I’ve got 36F inbound. This sounds terribly smug ( one of my less pleasant traits) but two days ago I flew out from LBA, boarding by the rear steps. Within seconds of rolling to a halt at TFS the peeps next to me were out of their seats, phones on, grabbed their overhead bags and heading to the rear of the 757. Unbeknown to them disembarking was solely via the air bridge adjacent to row12 so they were now even further away from the disembarkation point. It eventually dawned on them that the rear steps would not be used and by this time the aisle was full and they were probably stuck at the back. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 19 Apr 18 09:03   Don’t choose the window seat. - CGNorwich

Why is everyone in such a rush to both get on and off a plane? I'm usually around the last to board as I don't see the point in sitting in a stuffy plane rather than waiting at the gate. Similarly I tend to keep seated until my fellow passengers have left and depart in a civilised manner. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 19 Apr 18 09:24   Don’t choose the window seat. - smokie

With you there CGN, just not yet got SWMBO properly trained, but she's getting better!! Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 19 Apr 18 09:42   Don’t choose the window seat. - Manatee

I don't like being last on, I prefer to be near my carry-on bag and for it not to end up in the hold. Aisle seats if possible. That's why there is always a scrum on Ryanair. Aisle seats preferred. Not much point jumping up as soon as the wheels hit the concrete on landing. Being as sharp as I am, I have noticed that everybody gets there at pretty much the same time when sharing an aeroplane. And if there's a bus to the terminal, as there usually is with the cheapskates I use, being last on means being first off:) Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 19 Apr 18 09:29   Don’t choose the window seat. - Mike H

>> I always prefer a window seat if at all possible. With the low cost carriers >> I won’t pay extra for a specific seat >> Afraid I'm quite the opposite. I much prefer the aisle seat, I feel too hemmed in by the window. I rarely fly as SWMBO hates it, but when we/I do it's always short haul, never more than 2 hours. We usually use low cost carriers and I always pre-book my seat to make sure it's an aisle one. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 19 Apr 18 09:40   Don’t choose the window seat. - smokie

... and with you on that Mike H. Much easier to just get up and wander to the loo or wherever without having to disrupt your neighbours. Although they can then be disruptive to you. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 19 Apr 18 09:56   Don’t choose the window seat. - legacylad

My solution to that smokie is to ‘empty my tank’ immediately before boarding, where I’m normally at the back of the queue. Don’t drink coffee or alcohol pre flight either. On the 4 hour hop to the Canaries I never need to use the facilities. Once esconced by the window it’s noise cancelling headphones on, then watch a film or two I’ve downloaded and rented on my tablet. I watched 3 episodes of ‘Better call Saul’ outbound. Hand baggage only for me these days, so no waiting for baggage then taxi or car rental to my final destination. I appreciate not everyone has such bladder control as myself! (Psst. Don’t tell anyone but if you book a Jet2 package and ask nicely, by only taking hand baggage they knock off the checked bag fee and if you don’t need an airport transfer that fee as well). I only sat on a transfer coach once with hand baggage waiting for an hour plus, then dropped off at 10+ hotels. Stuff that for a lark. Last edited by: legacylad on Thu 19 Apr 18 at 09:57 Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 19 Apr 18 12:10   Don’t choose the window seat. - movilogo

>> Hand baggage only for me these days, so no waiting for baggage RyanAir no longer permits standard hand baggage inside unless you pay for priority boarding. On the unfortunate incident, how did the passenger die exactly? Images show only window glasses broken and I believe an adult cannot be sucked out thru that broken window opening. But now I'd hesitate to put my child besides window. Also, how effective the plane seat belts? They are lap only and often loose (even after tightening without feeling uncomfortable). Would wearing seat belt during that kind of mishap save the passenger? Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 19 Apr 18 12:39   Don’t choose the window seat. - Cliff Pope

Presumably the danger is sudden depressurisation entirely funnelled through the single window. You'd have thought there would be an emergency depression facility somewhere with strong mesh over it, to take the pressure off the damaged part. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 19 Apr 18 12:51   Don’t choose the window seat. - BiggerBadderDave

"You'd have thought there would be an emergency depression facility somewhere with strong mesh over it" That is a tremendous engineering and financial undertaking. Why not just keep your seatbelt on? Last edited by: BiggerBadderDave on Thu 19 Apr 18 at 12:51 Reply to this message | Report message       2

New Thu 19 Apr 18 12:48   Don’t choose the window seat. - henry k

>> On the unfortunate incident, how did the passenger die exactly? >> Apparently very badly injured . From elsewhere " the woman involved was indeed seriously injured with a major head wound." A nurse who happened to be on board was soon attending her >> Also, how effective the plane seat belts? >>They are lap only and often loose (even after tightening without feeling uncomfortable). >> Would wearing seat belt during that kind of mishap save the passenger? >> She was wearing a seat belt. IMO the real hero was the guy from the seat in front who unbuckled and went to her aid Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 19 Apr 18 13:06   Don’t choose the window seat. - Manatee

I wouldn't worry Movi. The odds of being on the receiving end of that have been estimated as similar to winning the lottery jackpot twice with two tickets. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 19 Apr 18 13:35   Don’t choose the window seat. - Zero

>> I wouldn't worry Movi. The odds of being on the receiving end of that have >> been estimated as similar to winning the lottery jackpot twice with two tickets. The odds of smashing your head on the overhead PSU however are much higher. Always have your belt on - loosely if need be Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Thu 19 Apr 18 14:03   Don’t choose the window seat. - movilogo

>> I wouldn't worry I'm not worrying :-) Newspapers dramatize some events where probability is actually very little. People are more likely to die of diabetes, heart disease or cancer than plane crash or terrorism. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 19 Apr 18 10:00   Don’t choose the window seat. - R.P.

Best flight ever was with Air Lingus to Boston. Laid back in a way only the Irish manage. We were sitting at the very back. First dibs at the trolley service etc. I'm usually last off. Who cares - rather be on the aircraft than at the conveyer with the chavs. Reply to this message | Report message       2

New Thu 19 Apr 18 14:07   Don’t choose the window seat. - No FM2R

Not quite sure why you got a frownie face for that, RP. Presumably from a chav. Last edited by: No FM2R on Thu 19 Apr 18 at 14:08 Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 19 Apr 18 19:22   Don’t choose the window seat. - R.P.

Maybe I picked the wrong descriptive. I'm sorry. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 15 May 18 08:46   Don’t choose the window seat. - Arctophile

Deja vu all over again. www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/15/airbus_windscreen_fell_out_at_32000_feet/ www.pprune.org/rumours-news/608822-a319-fo-windshield-blowout.html Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 15 May 18 09:00   Don’t choose the window seat. - Bromptonaut

>> Deja vu all over again. Beat me to it. Another link here: www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/15/airline-pilot-sucked-halfway-out-when-cockpit-windshield-broke Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Tue 15 May 18 at 09:00 Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 15 May 18 09:02   Don’t choose the window seat. - Zero

>> Deja vu all over again. >> >> www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/15/airbus_windscreen_fell_out_at_32000_feet/ >> >> www.pprune.org/rumours-news/608822-a319-fo-windshield-blowout.html Not sure that Pilots seat 1 is available on the £10 priority booking seat reservation scheme. Tho I'm sure Ryan Air is looking at it. Reply to this message | Report message