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Best for May, since NS is the better politician by an order of magnitude.
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>> Best for May, since NS is the better politician by an order of magnitude.
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totally agree that May is an incompetent politician,
cannot agree that NS is in any way a good politician, she is street smart rather than truly capable, a lot like her predecessor.
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"Miss" (as the Daily Mail calls her) Sturgeon is crafty and has a record of seizing any opportunity to boost her assumed status as a world stateswoman. When she graciously received Thersa May at Bute House she behaved like a head of state, waiting at the top of the steps rather than going down to greet her, plastering the place with Scottish flags with no trace of union flags, not even a courteous one.
It's all childish trivial stuff really, but it does tend to flatter her pretensions.
Two can play that game.
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>> "Miss" (as the Daily Mail calls her) Sturgeon
What point is being made here?
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Since she's married the correct address would be either Mrs, or Ms.
Miss is only used for young girls or children these days, but sometimes unmarried females prefer to keep that title.
Pat
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Miss Sturgeon is her professional name, as opposed to Mrs Murrell in the real world.
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/calls-for-peter-murrell-nicola-sturgeon-s-husband-to-quit-role-as-snp-chief-executive-ss9mrtkl3
Keeping politics in the family ?
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>> Miss is only used for young girls or children these days, but sometimes unmarried females
>> prefer to keep that title.
Many professional women who are married continue to use their own family (Maiden if you insist) name. Other examples in politics are Harriet Harman, Liz Truss and Jo Swinson. Baroness Hale, new President of the Supreme Court is married to Julian Farrand, Lady Justice Arden is married to Jonathan Mance (Supreme Court Justice).
Widespread in Senior Civil Service and Medical Profession too.
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>>Many professional women who are married continue to use their own family (Maiden if you insist) name.<<
No problem with that but the correct address would be Ms Harriet Harman etc.!
Pat
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>> No problem with that but the correct address would be Ms Harriet Harman etc.!
Your right that Harriet is Ms but that's her choice. Liz Truss is Miss. It's for them to decide how they wish to be known professionally.
Ms came into use because women (how very dare they!!) didn't want their marital status to be evident on their chequebook, bank card etc.
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Lots of married female surgeons refer to themselves as Miss, while male counterparts are Mr (by tradition doctors who pass their fellowship exams for the Royal College of Surgeons drop the title of Dr).
Mrs is unfortunately still seen by some as subservient to the corresponding Mr, I guess.
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>> Mrs is unfortunately still seen by some as subservient to the corresponding Mr, I guess.
As with other examples if you've established a professional reputation as Miss Jones suddenly becoming Mrs Smith may not be a good move.
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I remember at work when a woman got married and changed her surname, it was mentioned in 'parish' notices to update/amend any relevant records. In fact I think it's still done.
Anyone else's employer do that or is it a bit quaint now?
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>> Anyone else's employer do that or is it a bit quaint now?
We used to have a weekly list of new appointments, moves, retirements and deaths both in service and retirement. Stopped after Magistrates Courts were taken over by Lord Chancellor's Dept or whatever we were at time.
Don't recall it covering marriages or other name changes, probably dealt with by more local arrangements.
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Mrs B has just reminded me of great oboe player known for all her professional life as Evelyn Rothwell, latterly Dame Evelyn Rothwell.
She was officially Mrs/Lady John Barbirolli.....
OTOH my paternal grandmother insisted on being Mrs Wilfred Bromptonaut right up to point her marbles went.
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I didn't know it was so common for women to do that, mind you I don't know many judges!
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>> >> "Miss" (as the Daily Mail calls her) Sturgeon
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>> What point is being made here?
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I think the Daily Mail is probably deliberately being disparaging because she is normally referred to as Ms, which may or may not be her preferred title.
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She gets on my wick, less than her predecessor though, but I often wonder whether there is old fashioned misogyny at play though
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I don't think our good lady topcop Cressida is married to a Dick......but then again she may be.... of course.
If a man is Knighted, his wife takes the title of Lady. Why then, if a woman is 'Damed ' why doesn't hubby get the title of 'Lord' ?
Discrimination against men !
Not that I'll ever be in the running !
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>> Why then, if
>> a woman is 'Damed ' why doesn't hubby get the title of 'Lord' ?
But it wouldn't be "Lord", that is too high a rank. She's not a peer, so neither should he be.
"Sir" would be the equivalent of dame, but I don't think that has ever existed as an honorary title. The logical thing would be to abolish honorary titles for either spouse, restricting a title to the person who has merited it alone.
Or perhaps a generic "Hon Mrs ..." or "Hon Mr ..." , which has a long tradition in similar situations, and exactly describes what it is - an honorary appellation for someone who is merely related to the real title holder.
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Should be consigned to the history books
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>> Should be consigned to the history books
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Which - the honour itself, or the honorary title given to the spouse?
Would we really want the next king's wife to be just Mrs Windsor?
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What, she of Carry On fame? :-)
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The whole shooting match !
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Back in her box ? - Lygonos
