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Unfolding on Sky and elsewhere.... Air ambulance has just landed in Parliament Square.
Last edited by: VxFan on Tue 28 Mar 17 at 01:40
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Eyewitness just saying he saw someone with a knife attacking a policemen, who went down, inside the grounds of Westminster. The bloke also went down .. when he got up he heard the shots, which he thinks were from the police. looks reasonably calm, Parliament is suspended and the buildings are in lockdown.
There are also unconfirmed reports of a car running down some people on London Bridge.
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Saw footage of people on the bridge - so probably the same person who has now been shot dead after stabbing/attacking the police officer.
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>> There are also unconfirmed reports of a car running down some people on London Bridge.
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I guess you mean Westminster Bridge, London Bridge is a couple of miles away
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Overhead views of little knots of ambulance and police assistance seems to indicate that a car has driven up the western side pavement. Fortunately Tommies hospital is literally yards away, with its very good A&E
Last edited by: Zero on Wed 22 Mar 17 at 15:25
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Lots of armed police/military and ambulances on the scene quickly. A very quick response.
Sadly this sort of attack was probably inevitable in the UK after what has happened in France and elsewhere.
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Yes, Westminster Bridge.
The story is that a vehicle mowed down some people on the bridge then drove onto Parliament Sq (where there are apparently more casualties mown down) then got out with his knife and knifed the copper, then got shot. They are searching in case there is a second attacker, and widening the "sterile area".
Police stated it's being treated as a terrorist incident.
PM was voting at the time and was removed from the building and driven away pdq.
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The main problem is that the BBC has gone to an emergency news broadcast, interrupting "Home in the country" before we got to view the mystery house.
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One woman now reported as dead with other catastrophic injuries to others.
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Wow! I was at this very spot only 24hrs ago on one of the river boat trips up to Westminster Bridge, walked up to the new 'New Scotland Yard'.
LBC have just said that the policemen has died, but doesn't mention about the driver/knifeman, said he was treated at scene but not dead.
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>> The main problem is that the BBC has gone to an emergency news broadcast, interrupting
>> "Home in the country" before we got to view the mystery house.
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Since they have a dedicated News channel I can never understand why a 'newsflash at the bottom of the screen is not used more often to direct people to the correct program. Rather than suspend 'normal' programming.
PS did you get to see the mystery house? Probably on Iplayer by now :)
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I did think why did they need to take over the main channels - but then this is a major incident.
One MP tried helping save the policeman whilst paramedics/doctors were on their way.
It seems amongst the injured are French students - so the French are caught up in a terrorist incident again.
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>> Since they have a dedicated News channel I can never understand why a 'newsflash at
>> the bottom of the screen is not used more often to direct people to the
>> correct program. Rather than suspend 'normal' programming.
I don't know about other elderly people, but despite Freeview and its many channels, my mother still only watches the main 5 TV channels. I think she once accidentally stumbled upon ITV+1 and wondered why Loose Women was on an hour later than advertised. Expecting her to find BBC News, Sky News, etc would be a complete miracle.
Don't get me started on the Sky box. Remote control devices are a complete mystery to her.
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>> I don't know about other elderly people, but despite Freeview and its many channels, my
>> mother still only watches the main 5 TV channels.
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I must retain Virgin cable as SWMBO only watches cable.
Usually SKY news and BBC news 24 but also some terrestrial channels.
Never uses the normal via the aerial channels so is baffled when Virgin dies and I can find the channel again.
I gave up years ago trying to instill " use it as a normal TV"
Too late now with her memory loss but she can still operate some things on the recorder.
>> Don't get me started on the Sky box. Remote control devices are a complete mystery to her.
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Yes, we have three boxes !!!
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>> I don't know about other elderly people, but despite Freeview and its many channels, my
>> mother still only watches the main 5 TV channels. I think she once accidentally stumbled
>> upon ITV+1 and wondered why Loose Women was on an hour later than advertised. Expecting
>> her to find BBC News, Sky News, etc would be a complete miracle.
I think that there several different sorts of elderly person. I am probably older than VxFan's Mum, but of course, I don't know.
We (Lady Duncan and I) use the box that is linked to our telly and watch most of the available channels, including BBC News on channels 107 and 130.
I don't know HOW my PC, iPad and iPhone work - all that matters is that I can make them work (usually!).
In each of the various organisations of which I am a member there seems to be a hard core of 2 or 3 people who are not on email and therefore have various notices posted out to them - remember those days? I suppose when they shuffle off, everyone will have email. Or are there 20, 30, 40 year olds out there who don't have access to email?
My brother just 4 years older than me doesn't have a mobile phone, email or an answering machine.
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>>I don't know HOW my PC, iPad and iPhone work - all that matters is that I can make them work
Which makes you one of the smart ones. That approach is the younger generation's secret to adopting all new technology without stress or issue.
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>> The main problem is that the BBC has gone to an emergency news broadcast, interrupting
>> "Home in the country" before we got to view the mystery house.
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They transferred "Pointless" to BBC 2 though.
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It is reported now that a police officer has also died.
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4 dead now including one policeman and the C***
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Reference to the named person removed for now.
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Just home so a late post.
Nothing to add to the above save to show my feelings of outrage that someone can do something like this and the sadness that it has happened!
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I was in London today, not far from the incident location. The tube was running normally after the incident. Only Westminster station was closed. Saw few helicopters in the sky around the area.
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>> I was in London today, not far from the incident location. The tube was running
>> normally after the incident. Only Westminster station was closed. Saw few helicopters in the sky
>> around the area.
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For clarification only: Saw few (not many) or A few (several) ?
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Thank you.
For breaking news on this, people can go direct to
Channel 4 @Hayley_Barlow
Head of Communications for Channel 4 News has issued a statement.
Lot of coverage on sources such as
Andrew Neil Verified account
@afneil
Chairman @Spectator, @Apollo_Magazine, @ITP_Publishing, Addison Club, BBC PRESENTER @daily_politics @bbcthisweek Tweets reflect only my view
and
Kevin Maguire Verified account
@Kevin_Maguire
@DailyMirror associate editor.
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Of course if you're not on twitter, none of that makes sense
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None at all. Had an account for many years though.
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A Nation in overly emotional and dramatic mourning means that the terrorists achieved their goal.
They had no hope of killing a substantial amount of people, no chance of bringing a country physically to its knees, they just wanted to create an impact, get everybody's attention and have the biggest effect on your day to day life that they could..
Clearly the Daily Mail, The Sun, The BBC and the others are desperate to give the terrorists exactly what they want with their emotional outpourings.
Fight back, don't fall into the trap. Ignore the lemmings.
Take that overemotional, ineffectual and frankly a bit teenage-girly-drama-queen display back off your Facebook profile, replace it with the words "F*ck 'em" and go out and live your life tomorrow like nothing happened.
That's how to beat the b******s.
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Well said. Mind you I see why Police Officers want show their "colours" so to speak.
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>> A Nation in overly emotional and dramatic mourning means that the terrorists achieved their goal.
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>> They had no hope of killing a substantial amount of
>> Clearly the Daily Mail, The Sun, The BBC and the others are desperate to give
>> the terrorists exactly what they want with their emotional outpourings.
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I agree with your broader point though have no problem with the coverage I have seen, I think it is all part of the nation coming together and standing steadfast in the face of such adversity.
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It looks as if the assailant came face to face with the plain clothed person who shot him. An understandable reaction but it is a pity the assailant could not have been wounded just enough to disable, him so that he could later be interrogated.
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Risk of an explosive vest ?
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The police never shoot to injure and not kill. An injured man can still fire a gun.
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>> An injured man can still fire a gun.
Or trigger a detonation.
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>> It looks as if the assailant came face to face with the plain clothed person
>> who shot him. An understandable reaction but it is a pity the assailant could not
>> have been wounded just enough to disable, him so that he could later be interrogated.
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Excerpt of eye witness report:
" Two uniformed police in hi-viz jackets (they normally keep pedestrians safe from cars entering Parliament) challenged the man in black. There was a scuffle. One policeman disengaged himself. The other fell against a crash barrier and went to the ground. The attacker set about him, one arm plunging in and out.
Perhaps two seconds later the attacker loped further into the parliamentary estate, heading towards a cafe used by the public. I could see that other police had summoned help. Two plainclothes men with handguns – I think it was two – approached him. They adopted a shooting stance and I heard shouts. The attacker did not seem to heed those shouts. He kept moving towards them, his gait that of a weary marathon runner. Two. No, three crisp shots. That was all. The attacker fell instantly.
The police reaction had been fast. The men who fired the shots conducted themselves tidily, without melodrama, certainly without any triumph. One policeman was down. Almost at once, medical attention was given, both to the fallen policeman and the attacker."
Full report:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340642/QUENTIN-LETTS-saw-vista-violence-Big-Ben-office.html
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>> It looks as if the assailant came face to face with the plain clothed person
>> who shot him. An understandable reaction but it is a pity the assailant could not
>> have been wounded just enough to disable, him so that he could later be interrogated.
A very large, hairy, mad-eyed bloke covered in your colleagues blood and waving a large FO knife about is rushing at you. Do you
A: ask him to stop for a mo so you can aim a shot at the very small targets that provide the best chances of disablement.
or
B: Pump 4 shots into him in the fastest most distructive way possible and worry about the consequences later.
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>> A Nation in overly emotional and dramatic mourning means that the terrorists achieved their goal.
Too right. I'm in central London. I work and live in Zone 1. Who cares. It's not a major terrorist incident - it says a lot that the best they can do is to try to storm Parliament with a lone knifeman. lol.
London has been under attack for most of the last century. Whether Zeppelins during WW1
goo.gl/maps/KiqbqzmFmiP2
the Blitz, or the IRA. Of the four, Al Quada and chums are far and away the least potent and least frightening. Anybody fancy coming out to watch the blitz?
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>> Too right. I'm in central London. I work and live in Zone 1. Who cares.
>> It's not a major terrorist incident - it says a lot that the best they
>> can do is to try to storm Parliament with a lone knifeman. lol.
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>> London has been under attack for most of the last century. Whether Zeppelins during WW1
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>> goo.gl/maps/KiqbqzmFmiP2
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>> the Blitz, or the IRA. Of the four, Al Quada and chums are far and
>> away the least potent and least frightening. Anybody fancy coming out to watch the blitz?
Completely agree. I was in WC2 yesterday and walked back to Waterloo Station across Waterloo Bridge around 5:30. Apart from the sea of flashing blue lights on and under Westminster Bridge, and a number of unmarked black cars with blues and twos buzzing around, it was business as usual. People were walking, strolling, chatting, smiling, carrying on. That's what people in London have always done in the face of action like this.
I'm not sure what is more delusional, the ideology of these people, or the belief that their actions actually work.
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>> That's what people in London have always done in the face of action like this.
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Ah, the London bubble. You seem to forget a car bomber at Glasgow airport had to be rescued by the police as he was getting the **** beaten out of him.
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>> Ah, the London bubble. You seem to forget a car bomber at Glasgow airport had
>> to be rescued by the police as he was getting the **** beaten out of
>> him.
Completely different scenario, and I don't believe the city had anything to do with that outcome. Nothing against the bloke who kicked the terrorist in the nadgers, but wasn't said terrorist on the floor and on fire at the time?
Bubble or not, London has borne the significant brunt of bombing as a result of war and terrorism over the last century.
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>> Completely different scenario, and I don't believe the city had anything to do with that
>> outcome. Nothing against the bloke who kicked the terrorist in the nadgers, but wasn't said
>> terrorist on the floor and on fire at the time?
He was being mugged for his ciggies before they burned.
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>> Bubble or not, London has borne the significant brunt of bombing as a result of
>> war and terrorism over the last century.
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Don't start the we got bombed worse than you sort of argument please
from the Germans through the IRA to the current lot they strike at London because it's big and gets publicity but they strike all over the country from Clydeside, through Birmingham and Coventry to the south coast.
In any of these posts you could substitute Britons for Londoners and the meaning and truth of the statements would be he same,
Let's be honest, yesterday some of the injured and even one of the dead were not British never mind londoners.
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>> but they strike all over the country from Clydeside, through
>> Birmingham and Coventry to the south coast.
Please point out where I said that London was the only place that got bombed, and I will retract the statement.
It's a simple fact that London has borne the brunt by virtue of being the capital, and the highest profile as you say. I never said it was exclusively a London problem. Rather that it was London that was attacked yesterday, I was in the area at the time, and I observed people's reactions and compared them to other situations where London was targeted.
Just for clarity, the closest I have got to living in London was six years in Zone 6. Moving out was the best thing I ever did. I have no particular affinity with, or loyalty to the place.
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I'm not sure it's a bubble, i think he's just saying how it is.
I wonder, has there anywhere in the uk where normal life ground to a halt post a terrorist attack?
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Worked in London from 73 to 2010. A time period that included the IRA at its best (thanks Martin McGuiness lest we forget) and was in town for the London Tube and Bus bombings. Londoners and those who work within, dont get mawkish with hand wringing wailing. Buck 'em is the attitude, and has been since the Blitz.
We should remember those who died, salute those who died in the line of duty at some event afterwards, but in the mean time, ignore it. Ignoring them is the only response they can not find a weapon against.
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>> I'm not sure what is more delusional, the ideology of these people, or the belief
>> that their actions actually work.
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Clearly they think that their actions work.
Their supporters in the Middle East are reportedly celebrating at the scenes they are seeing on TV news.
A large area around Westminster is still in "lockdown", with Police & media helicopters still buzzing overhead nearly 20 hours after the event, with sirens and blues flashing on vehicles rushing around as if there is a live ongoing threat or emergency in the area.
In the meantime rational people carry on going about their lives as "normal" in London.
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"A large area around Westminster is still in "lockdown", with Police & media helicopters still buzzing overhead nearly 20 hours after the event, with sirens and blues flashing on vehicles rushing around as if there is a live ongoing threat or emergency in the area."
And you are 100% sure that there is not? Perhaps the police have some information to which you are not party.
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>> And you are 100% sure that there is not? Perhaps the police have some information
>> to which you are not party.
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You don't seem to have much faith in the Met Police statements nor those of the PM in Parliament today.
>> The police never shoot to injure and not kill.
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You seem to have it in for the Police.
This may enlighten your mistaken views:
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/17/shoot-to-kill-what-is-the-uks-policy
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Thank you for posting the link.
As it states the policy of the police if they need to sue firearms is to incapacitate. The surest way to incapacitate is to fire at the middle of the chest. The result of shot to the chest is usually death. This is a totally logical and justifiable policy. They do not shoot with the intention of only causing injury.
I do not "have it in for the police" from it far from it. On the contrary you seem to think that police activity in the area this morning was somehow unjustified. I was simply pointing out the police were in a better position to decide on what action was required that you were.
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I have worked in situations where I have been armed, the circumstances for using your weapon are clearly and simply defined by the rules of engagement. The decision to use your weapon is always with you. When there is someone with a blood stained knife moving towards you it is an easy decision, little different to someone pointing a gun at you taking into account the situation. The bottom line is get it wrong and you will be explaining your actions to a judge.
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Hence the IPCC involvement now. I"m naive enough to stillbelieve in the rule of law and personal responsibility/accountability.
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>> When there is someone with a blood stained knife
>> moving towards you it is an easy decision, little different to someone pointing a gun
>> at you taking into account the situation. The bottom line is get it wrong and
>> you will be explaining your actions to a judge.
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Maybe I should add to that - pointing a gun at anyone or moving towards you or anyone with a knife. In my rules you could also use your weapon to protect colleague in mortal danger or to prevent damage to sensitive equipment.
One reason the Faslane peace campers and others became very careful with the location of their protests and never came near a nuclear submarine after armed guards were introduced.
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> One reason the Faslane peace campers and others became very careful with the location of
>> their protests and never came near a nuclear submarine after armed guards were introduced.
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Must have been quite recently, there's been a few getting onto the base and/or submarines.
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I was not aware of them accessing submarines at Faslane. Getting over the perimeter fence is not too difficult with a bit of planning, there is not much that is in that zone other than police dogs and their handlers already alerted the exact location of the incursion.
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news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2483963.stm
There was another a couple of years ago and then I remember there was a report from one in the very late 80s, when the cabinet papers were released about it.
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I don't know anything about the security at Devonport, not likely to be as good as Faslane as it is predominately a repair and maintenance yard. I do know about the late 80s one, it was a couple of swimmers. I was involved in the aftermath.
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Are they particularly fragile these submarines? I always thought that they could withstand depthcharges. I never knew they could be damaged by a protester with a placard on a stick.
How much did we pay for them?
Don't tell the Russians.
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>> Are they particularly fragile these submarines? I always thought that they could withstand depthcharges. I
>> never knew they could be damaged by a protester with a placard on a stick.
I suppose it depends on what you mean by fragile.
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The favorite protest was to paint ban the bomb logos on the submarines. That's the most damage I am aware of.
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About to start Volume 2. Carry on the Submarine debate by all means. Interesting.
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>> Clearly the Daily Mail, The Sun, The BBC and the others are desperate to give
>> the terrorists exactly what they want with their emotional outpourings.
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>> Fight back, don't fall into the trap. Ignore the lemmings.
You're not kidding. This mornings Sun, big headlines on the front page then, "See also, pages 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 and the back page". The sort of treatment England normally get when someone misses a penalty in a World Cup match.
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The BBC 's & other TV channel's reporters love a tragedy. It gets them unlimited airtime and their faces on TV for hours at a time, rehashing stuff until all novelty and the horror is washed out of it.
So-called "experts" love it, too. Spouting their own opinions, without contradiction from fawning reporters.
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>> Of course if you're not on twitter, none of that makes sense
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You don't have to be a member of twitter to read those tweets. You can Google the names I posted to get direct links to those accounts.
I avoided direct links to those accounts because a man had been falsely named as the assailant by a respectable journalist of a respectable major news organisation that is now being labelled as a purveyor of "fake news".
The story about the false accusation has been reported by some media, but not BBC or Sky so far. It seems that it is OK to report about the existence of the false accusation as long as you are making those false claims yourself.
If you want to find out what I am referring to, look up twitter messages around 7pm to 9pm last night on those twitter accounts:
twitter.com/afneil/with_replies?lang=en-gb
twitter.com/Hayley_Barlow/with_replies
twitter.com/kevin_maguire/with_replies
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"as long as you are making those false claims yourself."
should of course read "as long as you are NOT making those false claims yourself."
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One or two slightly insensitive comment above IMO, it might be a lone nutter rather than a planned assault, we don't know yet, though the running down pedestrians and stabbing a policeman, taking lives, it's as serious as it gets.
I worked on the Soho area in the 80's and experienced a lot close at hand.
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>> One or two slightly insensitive comment above IMO,
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That's a reply to my post. Care to elaborate what is insensitive?
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>> >> One or two slightly insensitive comment above IMO,
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>> That's a reply to my post. Care to elaborate what is insensitive?
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It was a reply to the last post in the stack at the time hence "above" and not a comment directed at you. FWIW an example would be "Too right. I'm in central London. I work and live in Zone 1. Who cares. It's not a major terrorist incident - it says a lot that the best they can do is to try to storm Parliament with a lone knifeman. lol."
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>>FWIW an example would be "Too right. I'm in central London. I work and live in Zone 1. Who cares. It's not a major terrorist incident - it says a lot that the best they can do is to try to storm Parliament with a lone knifeman. lol."<<
Yes Cheddar, I thought that too but knew if I voiced my thoughts someone would accuse me of trying to police the forum again.
Who cares?
Those who have lost someone.
Those who had relatives directly in the area and couldn't find out if they were ok or not.
Those who had children on school trips
Those who are injured critically and probably will have the rest of their lives changed dramatically.
I care, and I bet that goes for most of us on this forum.
Pat
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>>I care, and I bet that goes for most of us on this forum.
I feel sorry for anybody who was actually caught up in it. Just as I feel sorry for the five people who were killed on the UK's roads yesterday. (That's the average daily kill rate.)
But you have - I have no doubt - wilfully misinterpreted me in order to paint me as the monster you imagine me to be. in the grand scheme of things Britain's roads are significantly more likely to kill you than a terrorist. The risk of ISIL getting you is so small that it's not worth caring about. It won't have changed anybody else's lives.
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>>as the monster you imagine me to be. <<
Whether you like it or not, I'm actually growing to quite like you.......probably because you like cats so you can't be all bad!
Neither did I wilfully misinterpret you, I was happy to give you the benefit of the doubt until someone else thought it out of place.
I think it was a flippant remark made without thought as to how it could be misconstrued.
Some of us have a penchant for doing that....myself included.
Pat
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>>I think it was a flippant remark made without thought as to how it could be misconstrued.
Seriously? As I see it there are two ways of interpreting my statement and no media via:
1. Mapmaker is a monster who doesn't care when policemen - or mothers on their way to collect children - are killed; or
2. Londoners don't feel their lives are under attack. (We don't. We don't care.)
If you feel that you can probably rule out the notion that I'm the sort of person who enjoys watching policemen and young women die (preferably slowly and painfully) then to suggest that I was being insensitive can only be a wilful misinterpretation.
You can only miscontrue my statement if you believe me to be a monster. Otherwise the meaning is absolutely clear.
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There's only one problem with interpretation No.2.
You think you're speaking on behalf of all Londoners. Big assumption.
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>>As I see it<<
Of course, the problem with that is not everyone sees it as you see it....hence the misunderstandings.
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You can only miscontrue my statement if you believe me to be a monster<<
OK, you win....if it makes you feel better:)
Pat
PS, think you missed an 's' out of misconStrue too!
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>> Just as I
>> feel sorry for the five people who were killed on the UK's roads yesterday. (That's
>> the average daily kill rate.)
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Polly Toynbee also used road deaths to compare with yesterday's atrocity.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/23/media-response-westminster-attack-divided-country
"In 2015 1,732 were killed on the roads in the UK, 22,137 seriously injured. Step outside your front door – or, actually, stay at home – and we can all calculate the everyday risks we take just by being alive – we don’t let that cripple us with terror."
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You never did like me did you Cheddar. Can't say I've missed you.
How is it insensitive? Or incorrect?
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Can keep on topic rather than straying, and getting personal please?
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"Can keep on topic rather than straying, and getting personal please?"
Both shortcomings have long and distinguished histories on this forum - without interference.
It's a bit odd that a moderator is getting involved at this point, unless there's a long-overdue change of policy.
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We are normally content to let you all get on with it but I felt this thread deserved a bit of respect. I'm obviously mistaken, forgive me.
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>> You never did like me did you Cheddar. >>
Can't say I remember disliking anyone though it was a long time ago.
>>Can't say I've missed you. >>
Your memory is better than mine ...
>> How is it insensitive? Or incorrect? >>
I have no argument with you, I did not say incorrect, I said one or two slightly insensitive comments. How is it insensitive? Perhaps "Who cares" and "lol". Yes I know it's a matter of context and the post should be read in full.
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>> two slightly insensitive comments. How is it insensitive? Perhaps "Who cares" and "lol". Yes I
>> know it's a matter of context and the post should be read in full.
Cheddar, I really apologise to any ISIL terrorist whom I have offended by laughing out loud at their pathetic attempt at "terrorism". Does that make you feel better?
I really, really am sorry about it.
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>> It was a reply to the last post in the stack at the time hence
>> "above" and not a comment directed at you.
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A gentle polite reminder on how threads on this forum work - there is a " reply to this message " button under each post.
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We have enough moderators without freelance amateurs getting involved.
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>> We have enough moderators without freelance amateurs getting involved.
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I take it you are replying to me.
Pot calling the kettle black?
FWIW, I have no intention to moderate anyone, not even fluffy - unlike you.
Nor have I attempted to moderate anyone.
I am merely pointing out to Cheddar that if he was not replying to me, he should direct his reply to the correct post to avoid misunderstandings about levelling accusations at the wrong person.
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There are so few regular posters here that I am sure we aware how the forum works and are bright enough to know when a post gets out of sequence.
If anyone can't figure it out it is unlikely to disrupt the earths rotation.
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Well up yours ISIS or ISIL or whatever you call yourselves.
The BBC showed the interrupted "Home in the Country" AND we got to see the mystery house!
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>> If anyone can't figure it out it is unlikely to disrupt the earths rotation.
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Well I couldn't figure out that Cheddar was NOT accusing me.
Since you are obviously very clever, it won't disrupt your rotation. But it did mine when I was apparently accused of being insensitive.
In case the irony has bypassed you, you are acting like a freelance amateur moderator.
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Leave it out please. Back on topic.
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Our democratic institutions will never be beaten.
It is appalling what has happened near Westminster.
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The SNP have shot themselves in the foot, yesterday there were angry accusations that the Tories were using the London attack as an excuse to shut down the indyref2 debate.
Today the message is solidarity with Westminster, the mask slipped big time.
www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-backs-cunningham-amid-indyref2-debate-row-1-4401962
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I noticed there where empty seats, where the SNP members usually sit, yesterday.
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>> I noticed there where empty seats, where the SNP members usually sit, yesterday.
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That's odd, they were the last to leave the chamber.
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>> I noticed there where empty seats, where the SNP members usually sit, yesterday.
In Westminster?
MAybe, just maybe, they have long journeys back to their constituencies and stuff to do there that couldn't be quickly unravelled.
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>> >> I noticed there where empty seats, where the SNP members usually sit, yesterday.
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>> In Westminster?
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>> MAybe, just maybe, they have long journeys back to their constituencies and stuff to do
>> there that couldn't be quickly unravelled.
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Ah, I assumed the Scottish parliament.
I had a smile when someone in the media compared the Scottish parliament to a rural council.
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I think they had a debate on the indy referendum in Holyrood, they may have been attending that.
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>> I think they had a debate on the indy referendum in Holyrood, they may have
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Good point, the SNP were not best pleased that the debate was disrupted. I am not sure how many (If any) are MSPs and have a vote on the subject. Any that that did would have been required to vote to get the indyref2 through. The SNP are a minority party and rely on the Greens voting with them to get anything through.
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Is one allowed to be both an MP and an MSP?
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Shut TF up for Christsakes you lot. Man up. Nobody knows the answer to this problem despite all of the chest beating. Yes in the scheme of things it was small, but not to care or not to comment would be worse and a general acceptance of OK, that this is the norm and alright, is not on.
When I worked as a sixteen year old, in the kitchen at Air Traffic control (West Drayton) nr. Heathrow I either cycled in, Mopedded in or Motorcycled in to work. No security. Never any issues, no problem.
WE, collectively have allowed the snipa free run at the job their on. Ruddy brilliant aren't we.
My Wife, who is often correct (shsssh) often berated me for helping others who she saw as beyond hope of a fashion. Sadly to say generally she was correct. Nothing much changes and the older I get the more intolerant of idiots I become and now, for most of the time, I cannot give a flying 'F' about anyone else.
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Spent 32 years living in mostly N/London.
Christmas , December 74 staying in a Church Army Hostel in Seymour Place. With a young lady doing Volunteer work walked down to Selfridges to see the Christmas window displays.
All going well until a Police Van pulled up and with out saying much we were thrown into the back. Van took off at a great rate of knots and as we got round the back into Orchard Mews the IRA car bomb we had been standing next to went off. Shock wave went up the front across the roof and was still strong enough to rock the van. Still think about this, couple of mins either way and i probably would not be typing this.
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No society can be relatively free, as ours is, and at the same time enjoy absolute protection against attacks by malevolent lunatics. Absolute protection must inevitably encroach on the freedoms.
It sounds banal to say it, but there has to be a balance. And, humans being what they are, the balance constantly shifts this way and that.
Life is a tightrope or a series of tightropes.
Hope that doesn't all sound completely barmy (it sounds pretty barmy to me frankly).
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>>couple of mins either way and i probably would not be typing this.
And there, the fickle finger of fate, kept you safe!
Cool tale.
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There has been five deaths up too now.
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Suspected shots heard near Westminster... - smokie