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I have been watching the breaking news on the main news channels.
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Well done you. Get up early did you?
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Oh dear, how sad , never mind....
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Can Gerry Adams be far behind?
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Funny isn't it - now he's dead all the news can talk about is what a good old fellow he was.
Well he wasn't.
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No, he really wasn't. But he has finally done something to improve the world - he left it.
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He went from a former IRA Commander to a democrat.
He knew that one day the two Irelands will re unite.
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I'm with Lord Tebbit on this.
Here's another one who reckons McG. was a wrong 'un.
reaction.life/martin-mcguinness-bad-b******/
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He knew that one day the two Irelands will re unite.
The effort of pro leave voters may now end up being more effective than the IRA ever was in bringing an united Ireland. Other than that what Mark said.
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>> He went from a former IRA Commander to a democrat.
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>> He knew that one day the two Irelands will re unite.
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The gap between the proportion of Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland has narrowed, new census figures revealed today. The percentage of Catholics in the population was up to 45 while Protestant representation has fallen to 48% from the 2001 census.11 Dec 2012
Then the majority can vote to join Ireland.
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Given the very large amount of mainland UK funding to N.I., I would bet the southern lot would not, in truth, want them.
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That's exactly what a relative who lives in Dublin said. Went something along the lines of, "You can keep it!"
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McGuinness only went down the peace route because he knew that the IRA had been infiltrated to its highest levels and wanted to save his skin. The alternative was going down for a whole life term for multiple murders.
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Spot on, ON.
The man was a murdering turd.
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The man was a murdering turd
Yes, but just the sort of chap you want on your side in a war. And the Irish thought they were in a war, because the British were shooting them.
All most unfortunate, bad for all sorts of relationships.
I remember a clip of the IRA kidnapping a soldier in one of the old London black cabs they used and shooting him through the head then and there. Really made my heart sink.
I did a bit of journalism in NI during the troubles. No one shot at or threatened me, but it was strange to see clumps of squaddies with sten guns on remote country roads. They were courteous to me I think because of my officer's accent.
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>> I did a bit of journalism in NI during the troubles. No one shot at
>> or threatened me, but it was strange to see clumps of squaddies with sten guns
>> on remote country roads. They were courteous to me I think because of my officer's
>> accent.
Were they still using Stens?
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> Were they still using Stens?
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More likely sterlings.
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More likely sterlings
Patchett carbines? Anyway some sort of redesigned sten or 'machine pistol'.
Sten was a crude and dangerous weapon. If you dropped one accidentally it could fire its whole magazine in all directions. It was said to cost nine shillings.
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>> Sten was a crude and dangerous weapon. If you dropped one accidentally it could fire
>> its whole magazine in all directions. It was said to cost nine shillings.
You're telling me!
Did I ever tell you about the time...
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>> > The percentage of Catholics in the population was up to 45
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Thank/blame the Pope.
>> Then the majority can vote to join Ireland.
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Thus repairing the scars of partition.
Plenty others yet to be healed:
Scars of Partition Postcolonial Legacies in French and British Borderlands
Author: William F. S. Miles
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'There's two religions, but there's only one God', someone said to me gloomily as I went round asking cheeky questions.
I didn't argue about the extreme proximity of the 'two religions'. I didn't want to cause any subsidiary trouble.
Last edited by: Armel Coussine on Tue 21 Mar 17 at 19:06
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As a democrat I would let the people of Northern Ireland make the final decision.
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They will anyway fluffy, whether you let them or not. May cost a bit more time and a few more victims.
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If I was to make a decision all Westminster seats ( that is 18 of them) should be won by a
nationalist or republican before a referendum could be held on re unifying Northern and Republic of Ireland.
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I am glad I posted this.The uptake was slow, but thankfully predictable.
My Heart sank when Her Maj' shook his hand. I cant wait for his mate to go preferably in awful circumstances.
Thankfully Paisley is now confined to handkerchiefs and underpants.
Self unimportant t*ankers stoking the fire where is wasn't required.
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>> I cant wait for his mate to go preferably in awful circumstances
Who cares? Just so long as he goes.
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I see no future for Sinn Fein when Gerry Adams dies.
If I was a betting man all 18 Westminster seats could go back Unionist.
I just hope past conflict does not win in the future.
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... stoking the fire when it wasn't required
You talkina me? Huh? Huh?
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If I was a unionist I would back the Ulster Unionist Party.
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>> If I was a unionist I would back the Ulster Unionist Party.
Why?
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The Ulster Unionist Party is a moderate centrist political party.
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Because they looked similar when he Googled them. You didn't really think there was more to it than that, did you??
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I simply asked the question :-)
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To the victims.....
Birmingham.
Guildford.
Belfast.
Aldershot
Deal.
Hyde Park
Regents Park.
Harrods.
Enniskillin.
Brighton.
Newry.
Lisburn.
Eastbourne.
London Victoria Station.
Teebane.
Manchester.
Warrington.
And many others not mentioned here.
A twisted, evil man. The peace process saved his skin and the decision to leave him free probably saved countess others because I doubt miserable cowards like him and others like him would have agreed to the ceasefire if they could have ended up in gaol for the rest of their miserable lives.
A better man, Gordon Wilson, who's daughter Marie was killed at Enniskillin asked the Loyalist Paramilitaries not to retaliate to try and prevent the escalation of violence.
And before anyone says one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, freedom fighters don't target civilians, don't tie bombs to civilian drivers and send them in to barracks and don't assassinate journalists and solicitors because they don't like their opinions.
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What are you trying to say.
We forgave the Germans for its Nazi past.
How many people where killed in the Final Solution.
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>> What are you trying to say.
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>> We forgave the Germans for its Nazi past.
No we didn't, we hung as many as we could.
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How many Sinn Fein members should be hung then.
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>> How many Sinn Fein members should be hung then.
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You really have no f ecking clue do you!
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Fluff, you are the only bloke I know (i assume you are bloke) who thinks, and posts in binary.
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What do you mean by BINARY.
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>> I am a man, yes.
No, you are not., At best, male.
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>>>> We forgave the Germans for its Nazi past.
Hopefully we forgave Germany the country, and the German people.
We didn't forgive individual people guilty of heinous crime though.
Any more than we should forgive McGuiness.
His actions in later years probably helped the peace process, and certainly the way he was treated by his enemies helped the peace process. But he was an evil man who supported the peace process to save his own a***.
A nasty man. I wouldn't have advocated killing him, but the world is better off with him dead.
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Why dont you send a letter to Sinn Fein what you have just said about Martin McGuinness.
I am sure they would be very interested to read what you have just put.
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>> Why dont you send a letter to Sinn Fein what you have just said about
>> Martin McGuinness.
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>> I am sure they would be very interested to read what you have just put.
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You twisted *****
It is because of scum like the IRA and Sinn Fein that people live in fear to speak what they want for fear of reprisal. They have killed people for it.
You are sick. Really sick.
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fluffy,
I didn't give you the frownie, and I hope your post isn't hidden or deleted by a moderator.
It says more about you than I ever could.
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>> What are you trying to say.
"A twisted, evil man" - I think I made that clear!
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Who is a "twisted evil man."
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Jeez its a tricky one this. One part of me says MMcG should have been ambushed on a dark border road by the SAS and had his brains turned to jam by a 9mm browning, and another part of me says that without his input and influence, there would have been no peace deal.
but in the end the nature of the bloke is revealed by his last actions before death. Rather than resign and leave gracefully on health grounds, he had to engineer a power sharing crisis to be left in his wake.
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Well if this thread's proved one thing to me, it's my initial assessment of fluffy as a compulsive wind up merchant.
I'll be back when he goes.
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>> Well if this thread's proved one thing to me, it's my initial assessment of fluffy
>> as a compulsive wind up merchant.
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>> I'll be back when he goes.
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I believe the correct term is troll.
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>> I believe the correct term is troll.
tinyurl.com/fluffy-at-work
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I strongly suspect fluffy is an alta ego of an existing member, posting via a VPN.
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You'd think, but I just don't see that anybody here would delight in appearing quite that dumb. I might not like some people here, but we haven't got many out and out stupid people.
Can you see the big "reveal"??
"Hah, I fooled you all and made everyone think I'm a boring, stupid t***!!"
Hardly a great score, is it?
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You'd think so but you never know. Nowt so queer as folk.
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>> "Hah, I fooled you all and made everyone think I'm a boring, stupid t***!!"
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His (her) aim is more likely an attempt to drive people away from the forum in some bitter form of revenge.
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Yep, and a lot of the regulars can't resist aiding and abetting that either.
Surely it's time the mods or management made a decision that
A) He is a troll so deal with him
or
B) He isn't a troll so make sure he's treated with respect.
.....before a lot of us get sick to death of every thread being ruined and stop bothering altogether.
Pat
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I tried B ages ago Pat. I've always argued for tolerance, in many situations here.
However many of you just ignored me. So here we are having a sensitive discussion out in the open.
Anyway, personally I'm not sure what would bean effective way to once-and-for-all deal with a troll .
btw there is C) ignore anyone you find offensive and don't visit any of their threads, or respond to any of their posts. I understand this tactic is already in use by some.
And of course, if we are going to start being able to bar people from the site who we don't like then there has to be quite a number of candidates. It'll be like Big Brother, we can have a weekly vote :-)
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>>and don't visit any of their threads<<
The problem with that is 'some' posters have now decided to see it is spreading across almost all of the non motoring threads so no matter who the OP is, we haven't got a clue until we open it and scroll down only to find a load of twaddle.
Most forums ban trolls quite openly but of course you have to be sure that's what he is.....I'm certainly not sure.
If he's not a troll then some of the treatment has been exceptionally cruel.
Pat
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>>if we are going to start being able to bar people from the site who we don't like ...
An alternative approach:
Speak roughly to your little boy,
And beat him when he sneezes;
He only does it to annoy,
Because he knows it teases
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>>I strongly suspect fluffy is an alta ego of an existing member, posting via a VPN.
Altea Ego more like it!
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It would take someone far more IT savvy than me to properly understand how these things work but, I think it's a "Bot". If, however, it really is a person, then they are possibly more in need of help than scolding.
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>> Then the majority can vote to join Ireland.
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And as we have recently learned from the Brexit referendum, a small but sufficient majority is immediately acceptable with a good grace by the losing side. No regrets, no recriminations, all good pals together equally determined to make it work.
Ha ha ha ha :)
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Thought there might have been one or two jokes made by now.
I guess they would have only bombed though.
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"It’s not how you start your life that is important, but it’s important how you finish your life" – Ian Paisley Jnr.
irishpost.co.uk/martin-mcguinness-britain-ireland-react-death-passionate-republican/
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Martin McGuinness funeral was held today in Londonderry.
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Have you thought of going there?
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Wrapped in a Union Flag, while wearing a Rangers shirt.
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I have thought about going to SHANKILL ROAD or FALLS ROAD.
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It would be nice to think (for those who believe in Heaven and Hell) that Martin McGuiness is currently swapping terrorist stories with Khalid Masood, in a particularly hot and fiery environment.
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>> "It’s not how you start your life that is important, but it’s important how you
>> finish your life" – Ian Paisley Jnr.
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>> irishpost.co.uk/martin-mcguinness-britain-ireland-react-death-passionate-republican/
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Yes, but he didn't pay for his crimes and if he had I think that some people may have felt a little differently about him.
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I would have put him in jail for a least 10 years for what I would call at least manslaughter.
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>> I would have put him in jail for a least 10 years for what I
>> would call at least manslaughter.
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You mean that you think he accidentally killed the people he murdered?
A sort of absent-minded shooting or bombing?
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I cannot justify what Martin McGuinness did.
If what you call murder must be called murder he was very lucky to avoid jail for murder.
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>> I would have put him in jail for a least 10 years for what I
>> would call at least manslaughter.
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Manslaughter can be summarised as the accidental killing of someone. McGuinness conspired with others to murder people. A huge difference.
In this country, mostly people go to court, if they are found guilty they are sentenced. So you wouldn't get the chance to put him in jail for what ever you call it.
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Treason ? Might have been topped up to a few years ago.
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>> Treason ? Might have been topped up to a few years ago.
Is capital punishment still in place - theoretically - for offences such as carnal knowledge of the Queen?
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It was abolished in1998. Two offences. Treason and Piracy with violence.
A gallows was kept operative in Wandsworth Prison, tested every six months.
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Arson in a royal dockyard, warehouse, ship or magazine, was a capital offence until 1971.
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>> Arson in a royal dockyard, warehouse, ship or magazine, was a capital offence until 1971.
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Which led me to the fascinating tale of John the Painter, the only man ever to have been convicted of the offence and who has the dubious honour of being hanged from the highest ever gallows in England in front of 20,000 people.
I love the internet!
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Yes, a clever gadget, I did have to look up the date. :-)
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Martin McGuinness - fluffy
