Our bathroom window has four separate double glazed units. Two large and two smaller ones at the top (one opens). All have 'leaded' decoration.
Later today we find one of the smaller units at the top (not the one that can open) is broken. Outside pane broken. No obvious cause but wonder if a bird has done it (witnessed this years ago but found the dead pigeon with mouth full of red berries that time).
I have no idea of cost of replacement unit and all that. And today's panels have greater air gap. Could this be costly enough to trouble the insurance or are we talking £50 to £100 sort of prices to replace?
I think my excess is closer to £50 mind. But then you lose out for years on premiums.
Note the window itself is not easily replaceable without damaging tiling in the bathroom.
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No experience re cost but lots of companies do repairs of varying types on all sorts of double glazing.
One of my windows cracked some years after installation.
The crack started from the perimeter.
Fitter said it was due to a screw head that fixed the frame being slightly proud and touching the DG unit therefore all done free by Anglian. New unit with perfect match re lead glazing bars
Google double glazing window repair
e.g
www.dgservicing.co.uk/doubleglazing-windows-doors-repairs.php?id=sealed-units
Question #2
I have a lead light window pattern on my sealed unit and the outer clear glass panel has broken. Can you match the same pattern?
Answer
Yes we can, we can either split the panels and remake your sealed units or match like for like.
No idea re cost
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We have used a local glazier in similar circumstances. I removed the damaged unit, temporarily replaced it with a piece of hardboard and duct tape, and took it along for repair. I can't remember the cost but it would have been a lot less than £50.
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As already suggested, you probably need a company on the lines of this one in my area:
southport.able247glaziers.uk/?gclid=CKeF7IniltECFYoaGwodJKEKlQ
There are others who advertise regularly.
If you Google for a double glazing "repair doctor" or similar in your town or area, I'm sure you'd get a similar type of suggestion.
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The 1980s double glazed units in my house seem to be failing, by steaming up, at the rate of one or two per year for the last three years or so. The seals have lasted about 30 years, so I can't complain.
I found a factory, in Mitcham (S London / Surrey), that will replace the units exactly (all leaded types in my house). It takes around a week and for a substantial sized unit to be made and leaded and costs around £40 - £45 ( 500mm x 750mm ).
Of course you have to remove the old one which they use as a template and board up the opening yourself. I'm getting quite good at it now.
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These prices are a dream for me. We have wooden sash windows, single glazed. Quotes for replacing with double glazed units start at about £1500 and on up. Conservation area, so not allowed to do anything that isn't timber or that will look any different either.
I even asked for a local company to quote on just secondary glazing a few months ago. I'm sure it would have been lovely, but I thought £850 plus VAT rather expensive for what's basically a wooden frame and a bit of glass.
These figures, of course are per window and there are five at the front of the house.
However much heat it saves, the payback period would be about two centuries.
Maybe I should have thought of all this when we purchased.
Last edited by: Crankcase on Wed 28 Dec 16 at 19:51
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Our house has, in the main, the original wooden sash windows from when it was built in 1905. I had them all refurbished shortly after we moved in; rotten sahes and cills replaced where necessary and all adjusted and draughtproofed. Cost was around £7k, though that did cover 28 windows (the bays downstairs at the front comprise 5 windows each - the house is not enormous!!) and the difference in the rate at which the house heated up was noticeable. Payback is still negligible - it's got to be well over 25 years - but I'm happy that the house looks as it always has, and given a lick of paint every 4 or 5 years there's no reason why they won't will be there in 2105. Unlike any replacement UPVc windows I'm sure. Replacement double glazed wooden sashes came in at around £40k including fitting and painting. I'm sure they'd have looked similar, but all of the old wavy glass would also have gone :(
An old chap who used to live here as a boy in the 50s popped round the week before Christmas and dropped a couple of pictures off that his mother had from that era. It's changed surprisingly little in that time. The extension that I'd assumed was a '60s/70s addition was there, and looked pretty well established. So must have been put up not that long after it was built!
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Our previous house had single pane windows with high ceilings. One of the main things i remember was how cold and draughty the place was. One of the reasons we left.
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. Quotes
>> for replacing with double glazed units start at about £1500 and on up.
That's for each window? Out of curiosity how much for the whole house?
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>> Of course you have to remove the old one which they use as a template and board up the
>> opening yourself. I'm getting quite good at it now.
Probably because it's a bathroom window (so steam/vapour), the panels are fitted from the outside. And it's on the first floor. So I can't take the panel out and board this up. Not only is it a bit high for me (Even if I had a suitable ladder), the drop is actually two floors because it's above the outside cellar stairs.
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Rob...I replaced 4 panels this Summer as I was swapping a bedroom and a bathroom over. The biggest was about 3X 2 feet, plain glass and wasn't over £50. They will do the leading and colour and probably fit. I did my own as the beads were on the inside. I also designed, and leaded the front door panel when I fitted a new door and frame about 20 yrs ago. It's only stick on lead and coloured film nowadays for double glazed units. Take a photo of the design before you go to order what you need
I used my local glass suppliers in Cornbrook St, Old Trafford. Hallshaws Glass, 0161 669 3147. They're a nice lot and you're not paying for a glass palace...just an old tram depot !
You can get a cuppa here if you come over this way.
Last edited by: Ted on Wed 28 Dec 16 at 22:46
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Thanks Ted. I might give them a call tomorrow. Cheers.
One day I'll take you up on the offer of a cuppa. Or I'll buy you one somewhere.
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>>Probably because it's a bathroom window (so steam/vapour), the panels are fitted from the outside.
All my D/G including the bathroom are fitted from the inside for security reasons.
It is designed to thwart night time visitors silently dismantling things.
IIRC earlier designs were a little vulnerable without using a ladder.
>> And it's on the first floor. Not only is it a bit high for me (Even if I had a suitable ladder),
>> the drop is actually two floors because it's above the outside cellar stairs.
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Absolutely a no brainer. Get the lads to do it.
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I must admit I am surprised the windows are like this. The others are not.
But I can't change what is already there. And the drop is enough to not want to attempt myself. It is indeed a no brainer. I'd be no use up a ladder that high trying to do anything apart from hold on!
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I live in a Victorian three-bedroom property built in 1888 - we had double glazing fitted in 2001 that matched the original sash windows design and which included the modest leaded lights feature.
Still hugely efficient warmth wise (in combination with cavity wall and loft insulation provided free by E-On about five years later) and, for the majority of people, the windows upgrade is still something that isn't obvious to them until you point out the modern equivalents.
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>> I live in a Victorian three-bedroom property built in 1888
>> Still hugely efficient warmth wise (in combination with cavity wall and loft insulation
Your property was built with cavity walls in 1888?
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>>Your property was built with cavity walls in 1888?>>
Yes.
How otherwise would it have cavity wall (and loft) insulation?
The work was done in the mid-2000s and paid for at the time by E-On under a government scheme; we had had double-glazing from 2001.
You are probably thinking of the smaller two-bedroom types, some of which we have in my town.
Mine is the onlly three-bedroom, 11ft high ceilings property in my road (house numbers go to just over 100) as it was a one-off build at the time; all the rest are four-bedroom and also have cavity walls.
Other Victorian properties around the area are even larger and ceilings can go up to 14ft high - they are majestic buildings, but all reveal the Victorian builders' eye for minor detailing variations on properties.
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I was surprised to find that in Portsmouth the turn of the century houses were built with cavity walls (student let purchase). The failing is that although they may keep the damp out, many have rusted thro wall ties and all sorts of cowboy builders and proprietary solutions have not solved the problems, and relieved naive owners of money. Londoners are used to to seeing solid walls right up to the 1920/30s.
Some post build cavity wall insulation systems aggravate water penetration problems on exposed properties -
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>>cavity walls
Introduced in Northwest €urope during the 19th century - to prevent the passage of moisture into the interior of the owse.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavity_wall
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Fixing/Replacing Double Glazing Unit - henry k
