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Thread Author: MD	Replies: 32

New Thu 10 Nov 16 21:23   Evil Murders - MD

What do the panel make of the sentencing? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37941236 Last edited by: MD on Thu 10 Nov 16 at 21:24 Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 10 Nov 16 21:43   Evil Murders - sooty123

Probably about right i reckon. The judges name rings a few bells, from what I know of people that i worked him he's very switched on. Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 10 Nov 16 21:46   Evil Murders - MD

Why should they ever be released? Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 10 Nov 16 22:42   Evil Murders - zippy

If they are deemed to be a danger to society, they won't be and I hope that they never will be released. The usual blood thirsty mob on the Mail are calling for their execution! Last edited by: zippy on Thu 10 Nov 16 at 22:44 Reply to this message | Report message

New Thu 10 Nov 16 23:49   Evil Murders - Dutchie

Not a bad idea to excecute these two. Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Fri 11 Nov 16 00:13   Evil Murders - zippy

>> Not a bad idea to excecute these two. >> Could you imagine the field day that certain papers would have if this were to be the case - it would be revolting beyond belief! Anyway, it is illegal to execute minors under The Convention on the Rights of the Child which prohibits capital punishment for children. Every major country in the world has signed the treaty and all save the USA have ratified it. It is therefore a crime under international law to execute a child. As I understand it, the treaty also extends to crimes committed as a child but prosecuted as an adult. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 11 Nov 16 15:37   Evil Murders - CGNorwich

>> Not a bad idea to excecute these two. >> Yes it is. It is an appalling uncivilised and barbaric idea that would demean us all. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 11 Nov 16 00:13   Evil Murders - sooty123

>> Why should they ever be released? >> I doubt they will. However it's not some thing that i get over excited about. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 11 Nov 16 00:23   Evil Murders - sooty123

When crime and punishment comes, i nearly always end up thinking of this line. Where would we be without the simpsons for social commentary? Smithers: "That Simpsons boy is looking at 180 years." Burns: "Thank God we live in a country so hysterical over crime that a ten year old can be tried as an adult." Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 11 Nov 16 12:09   Evil Murders - Fullchat

This has a ring of the Jamie Bulger murder :( Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Fri 11 Nov 16 15:09   Evil Murders - Pat

Doesn't make it anymore understandable but I think there's so much more to this than we know.......and possibly don't want to know. Pat Last edited by: R.P. on Fri 11 Nov 16 at 18:00 Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 11 Nov 16 15:20   Evil Murders - rtj70

I don't think any of us will every understand how someone could have done this. If the rumour is true, it doesn't really change much. The two of them are unlikely to be released. You'd hope not anyway. Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 11 Nov 16 16:34   Evil Murders - zippy

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New Fri 11 Nov 16 16:46   Evil Murders - Pat

Would the person who gave me a scowly face for that post care to explain why because it baffles me? Pat Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 11 Nov 16 16:55   Evil Murders - zippy

>> Would the person who gave me a scowly face for that post care to explain >> why because it baffles me? >> >> Pat >> I confess to the first one Pat but as a note to the moderators because it could get the forum in to trouble in even going partly down the route of identifying the murderers. I deleted my post above as I got caught up in the sensationalism of the suggestion but thought better of it! Last edited by: zippy on Fri 11 Nov 16 at 16:56 Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Fri 11 Nov 16 17:00   Evil Murders - Pat

There's no liability there Zippy, that's why I worded it carefully and haven't repeated any other local rumours which I believe may be true. Thanks for admitting it though. Pat Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Fri 11 Nov 16 17:59   Evil Murders - R.P.

Pat - very risky mate - hope you don't mind but it will have to go. Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Fri 11 Nov 16 18:03   Evil Murders - Pat

Don't mind at all PU, I would allow it on our forums but it's your call and I fully respect that. Pat Last edited by: Pat on Fri 11 Nov 16 at 18:03 Reply to this message | Report message

New Fri 11 Nov 16 18:14   Evil Murders - rtj70

I think it's risky for Pat personally and potentially the site. I agree it should have been removed. Last edited by: rtj70 on Fri 11 Nov 16 at 18:16 Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 12 Nov 16 12:35   Evil Murders - Manatee

>> This has a ring of the Jamie Bulger murder :( Presumably in the sense that the identities of the convicted ones are well known, and should they ever be released they will need new identities anyway, as Robert Thomson and Jon Venables were. Sadly that led indirectly to the suicide of an unconnected man who was persecuted becuase he was suspected of being Thompson. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 12 Nov 16 13:53   Evil Murders - Fullchat

I was thinking more in terms of how people so young could commit such acts of violence. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 12 Nov 16 16:51   Evil Murders - rtj70

But they were nowhere near as young as those that murdered Bulger. These certainly knew what they were doing was wrong, evil,.... choose your words. The Bulger killers also should have known at their younger age too of course. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 12 Nov 16 17:31   Evil Murders - VxFan

And yet this woman only gets 3 yrs for causing the death of her child! www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-37952764 Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 12 Nov 16 17:54   Evil Murders - zippy

>> And yet this woman only gets 3 yrs for causing the death of her child! >> >> www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-37952764 >> I don't think there is any comparison between these two awful events. She is in prison for being stupid not evil. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 13 Nov 16 07:40   Evil Murders - MD

>> >> And yet this woman only gets 3 yrs for causing the death of her >> child! >> >> >> >> www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-37952764 >> >> >> >> I don't think there is any comparison between these two awful events. She is in >> prison for being stupid not evil. >> The item states she had been drinking on the morning of the child's death. She deserves longer inside. Pratt. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 12 Nov 16 17:56   Evil Murders - Manatee

Surely there's no comparison between premeditated murder (x2) and the causing the death of a child by negligence, tragic as it is. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 12 Nov 16 20:18   Evil Murders - VxFan

Have we suddenly stopped thread drift? I'm not saying there is any comparison, but it's still a loss of life regardless. And 3 yrs (where she'll be probably out in 18 mths) vs 20 yrs minimum. Where's the justice in that? Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 12 Nov 16 20:51   Evil Murders - zippy

ÀAre you suggesting that any non accidental death should have similar penalties? Theirs was premeditated with a plan to bring harm, hers was being thoughtless for 10 minutes with terrible consequences but she did not mean to harm anyone! I suspected that she is filled with remorse over what she did and the "pair" couldn't give a toss over the greif that they caused! Should anyone that causes death be locked up for life regardless of the circumstances? Last edited by: zippy on Sat 12 Nov 16 at 20:53 Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 12 Nov 16 21:16   Evil Murders - CGNorwich

Which is of course the reason why one case was murder and the other was the lesser offence of manslaughter. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 12 Nov 16 21:39   Evil Murders - Bromptonaut

>> And 3 yrs (where she'll be probably out in 18 mths) vs 20 yrs minimum. >> Where's the justice in that? Would you follow the same 'loss of a life regardless' logic for a RTA caused by inattention? Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Sat 12 Nov 16 at 21:41 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 14 Nov 16 23:04   Evil Murders - Dutchie

If you lock up people for ever regarding a RTA you will be needing a lot more prisons. Punishment for RTA's are very light.Moblie phone use,inatentive driving. A lorry driver a few months ago killed a women and child going through a red light taking a turn into a supermarket here in Hull.What do you? lock him up and throw the key away which he deserves.A guess, licence loss and max five years in the nick. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 14 Nov 16 23:29   Evil Murders - Lygonos

Death by Dangerous Driving carries a maximum of around 14yrs I think. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 15 Nov 16 09:30   Evil Murders - zippy

As I understand it, causing death whilst driving used to be treated as manslaughter but juries refused to convict hence the change in law to a separate offence. Reply to this message | Report message