Non-motoring > In or out ? Keep it simple.	Miscellaneous
Thread Author: R.P.	Replies: 99

Sat 4 Jun 16 16:17   In or out ? Keep it simple. - R.P.

EU in or out. 1. Which way are you going to vote 2. Have you changed your mind since the launch of the rival campaigns. Just a dip-sample. Stand alone thread to keep it clear. No discussion - keep that for the EU proper thread. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 16:17   In or out ? Keep it simple. - R.P.

1. In. 2. No. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 16:18   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Bromptonaut

(1) In. (2) No Always was in. Nothing out has said remotely tempts me. Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Sat 4 Jun 16 at 16:19 Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 16:28   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Clk Sec

(1) Out (2) No Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 16:32   In or out ? Keep it simple. - madf

1. In 2. No I know both sides lie but to repeat obvious financial lies shows such a degree of mendacity that in any other walk of life some politicians would be in jail. Last edited by: madf on Sat 4 Jun 16 at 16:32 Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 16:40   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Dog

1. = Out 2. = No Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 16:42   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Skip

1 - OUT 2 - NO Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 16:54   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Robin O'Reliant

1/ Out 2/ Wavered Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 16:55   In or out ? Keep it simple. - sherlock47

In No Why would I align myself with a bunch of xenophobic fruitcakes? Reply to this message | Report message       2

Sat 4 Jun 16 16:56   In or out ? Keep it simple. - sooty123

In (probably) Yes. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 16:57   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Clk Sec

>>Why would I align myself with a bunch of xenophobic fruitcakes? 'ere we go again... Last edited by: Clk Sec on Sat 4 Jun 16 at 16:58 Reply to this message | Report message       1

Sat 4 Jun 16 17:24   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Runfer D'Hills

1/ In 2/ No Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 17:40   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Dutchie

In or out shake it all about.In by a small margin guess work. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 17:41   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Alastairw

In, no. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 18:07   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Bromptonaut

Anybody care to admit to/explain the scowlie on Runfer's post? Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 18:24   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Robin O'Reliant

Mrs D'Hills has seen his posts on stainless steel cleaners? Reply to this message | Report message       1

Sat 4 Jun 16 18:26   In or out ? Keep it simple. - No FM2R

1/ In 2/ Wasn't 100% committed, got that way. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 21:01   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Runfer D'Hills

>> Mrs D'Hills has... :-) Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 18:37   In or out ? Keep it simple. - spamcan61

in no Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 18:47   In or out ? Keep it simple. - devonite

1.Out 2. No Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 18:48   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Armel Coussine

In, instinctively. No, but you have to be half-witted to have no doubts about something so complex. Reply to this message | Report message       1

Sat 4 Jun 16 18:54   In or out ? Keep it simple. - John Boy

In No Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 19:33   In or out ? Keep it simple. - stan10

1 Out 2 No Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 19:36   In or out ? Keep it simple. - riddler

In No Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 19:50   In or out ? Keep it simple. - rtj70

1. In. 2. No. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 19:51   In or out ? Keep it simple. - rtj70

So far 12 in and 6 out. But are we close to being representative of the country? Probably not by a long way. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 19:58   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Harleyman

In. No. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 20:38   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Haywain

Out No, but I was open to persuasion. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 20:50   In or out ? Keep it simple. - zippy

In, no, more resolutely so after hearing the arguments. Last edited by: zippy on Sat 4 Jun 16 at 20:50 Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 20:55   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Westpig

Out No. Was more a waverer to start with, but firmed up come the end. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 21:02   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Dave

Out No Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 22:09   In or out ? Keep it simple. - RichardW

Out No Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 23:10   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Slidingpillar

1/ Out 2/ No And I have already voted - I get a postal vote. Reply to this message | Report message       2

Sat 4 Jun 16 23:27   In or out ? Keep it simple. - commerdriver

In No Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 4 Jun 16 23:43   In or out ? Keep it simple. - smokie

In Started in the entrance hall, went out for a while but I didn't like what I saw, so now am well and truly back in, with the door firmly shut behind me Last edited by: smokie on Sun 5 Jun 16 at 08:24 Reply to this message | Report message       1

Sat 4 Jun 16 23:48   In or out ? Keep it simple. - NortonES2

1. In. 2. No. Reply to this message | Report message

Sun 5 Jun 16 03:23   In or out ? Keep it simple. - idle_chatterer

1. In 2. No Reply to this message | Report message

Sun 5 Jun 16 04:14   In or out ? Keep it simple. - VxFan

1 Out 2 No Reply to this message | Report message

Sun 5 Jun 16 04:41   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Pat

1) Out 2) No Pat Reply to this message | Report message

Sun 5 Jun 16 06:59   In or out ? Keep it simple. - hjd

1. Out 2. No. Reply to this message | Report message

Sun 5 Jun 16 07:28   In or out ? Keep it simple. - WillDeBeest

1. In 2. No Reply to this message | Report message

Sun 5 Jun 16 11:11   In or out ? Keep it simple. - MJM

1 out 2 no Reply to this message | Report message

Sun 5 Jun 16 11:26   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Westpig

Interesting... so far then it's 56% 'in' and 44% 'out'. I wonder how representative this place will be compared to the actual count? Reply to this message | Report message

Sun 5 Jun 16 11:49   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Dog

>>so far then it's 56% 'in' and 44% 'out'. I wonder how representative this place will be compared to the actual count? That isn't the final count though, so be patient Piggy. :} Reply to this message | Report message

Sun 5 Jun 16 12:45   In or out ? Keep it simple. - CGNorwich

In No Reply to this message | Report message

Sun 5 Jun 16 13:46   In or out ? Keep it simple. - WillDeBeest

The final count will include a lot more under-40s than we have here. Reply to this message | Report message

Sun 5 Jun 16 15:39   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Robin O'Reliant

>> The final count will include a lot more under-40s than we have here. >> Don't be too sure about the young vote. Scottish teenagers were being interviewed on R4 last week and from what I heard the outs had a slight majority if anything. The main worry they expressed was pressure on jobs and housing from EU migration, and it is the younger people who struggle in both of those areas. Reply to this message | Report message       1

Sun 5 Jun 16 17:05   In or out ? Keep it simple. - helicopter

Postal vote already cast.... Out. Reply to this message | Report message

Sun 5 Jun 16 19:16   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Focal Point

1. Out 2. No Reply to this message | Report message

Sun 5 Jun 16 21:28   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Ateca chris

1. Out 2.No Reply to this message | Report message

Sun 5 Jun 16 22:10   In or out ? Keep it simple. - MD

Out. Wavered a little. Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 6 Jun 16 13:44   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Alanovich

In No - my mind change came about a few years back. Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 6 Jun 16 15:02   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Ted

Out No Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 6 Jun 16 15:30   In or out ? Keep it simple. - movilogo

Out No Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 6 Jun 16 15:38   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Ambo

Out, by post, over a week ago No Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 6 Jun 16 16:16   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Lygonos

In No Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 6 Jun 16 16:30   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Pezzer

1. Out 2. Yes Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 6 Jun 16 20:09   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Robin O'Reliant

23 each by my quick count. Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 6 Jun 16 20:33   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Mark

Out Decided to leave after the one eyed Jock denied us a vote on the Lisbon treaty. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 8 Jun 16 11:09   In or out ? Keep it simple. - merlin

Out No Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 10 Jun 16 03:27   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Pat

Am I the only person surprised by the amount of Outies on here? A final total would be nice so we can see where car4plat stands! Pat Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 10 Jun 16 07:09   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Dog

>>Am I the only person surprised pleased by the amount of Outies on here? :-) Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 10 Jun 16 07:20   In or out ? Keep it simple. - WillDeBeest

Given the demographic, it would be a surprise if there weren't a fair number of Outies here. But given that even here it seems to be neck and neck - and that the Outie campaign in the country is disintegrating - it's a pretty poor show. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 10 Jun 16 08:25   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Pat

>> even here it seems to be neck and neck << In 22 Out 24 Need a few more fingers WdeB? Or is it hard admitting the truth? Pat:) Reply to this message | Report message       2

Fri 10 Jun 16 09:30   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Ambo

No. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 10 Jun 16 09:45   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Slidingpillar

Whilst I have said here how I voted (postal) I would never discuss it on my doorstep or elsewhere. I'm probably far from unique, and it all depends on what an opinion poll records. I'm a would not say, but know exactly how I voting, not a don't know. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 10 Jun 16 11:10   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Mapmaker

1 In 2 Not really, but it's so complicated that I don't understand how anybody can properly make up their mind based on evidence. I'm so utterly underwhelmed by both the campaigns' mud-slinging techniques - rather than the use of evidence - that I've reached the point of not caring. There seem to be three main reasons for voting in: 1. Do we really want US banks to move out of London into Paris/Frankfurt/Dublin? If they move 100,000 people, that's probably 300,000 jobs in London. 2. Political stability. Vote out and you get Boris for a bit, followed by Jeremy. Vote in and you might get Cameron to continue. 3. The EU is going to collapse anyway, and we want to be at the heart of building its replacement. If we cause it to collapse by voting to leave then we're not going to be invited. Reply to this message | Report message       2

Fri 10 Jun 16 15:06   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Stuartli

Always said better in than out, but we might not be discussing the thread subject..... Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 10 Jun 16 17:42   More reliable that an opinion poll - CGNorwich

Just been to Waitrose and bought some cheese. The lady on the cheese counter said they have just re-organised the cheeses and they are now split with UK manufactured in one section and European cheeses in the next. The non pasteurised are in a little basket by themselves. Now significantly the Dolcelattes and Camemberts outnumber the Wensleydales and the Stiltons by a small but significant margin and most of those unpasteurised jobs have foreign sounding names. Pretty conclusive eh? Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 10 Jun 16 17:43   More reliable that an opinion poll - smokie

Where was the Danish Blue? Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 10 Jun 16 17:49   More reliable that an opinion poll - CGNorwich

Danish Blue doesn't make it to the posh counter with the elite of cheeses. It hangs around in the serve yourself bit with the likes of Canadian Cheddar and Dairylea slices Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 10 Jun 16 18:24   More reliable that an opinion poll - R.P.

Where was the Danish Blue? And the Norwegian Jarlsburger ? Cheddar can be exactly like Jarlsburger... Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 11 Jun 16 16:12   More reliable that an opinion poll - Slidingpillar

Cheddar can be exactly like Jarlsburger... Doesn't say much for your taste in cheddar! Decent cheddar is nothing like it, although just about any solidified bovine lactatory extract gets marketed as cheddar. Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 11 Jun 16 23:30   More reliable that an opinion poll - WillDeBeest

Jarlsberg tastes nothing like cheddar - less salty and acidic, intensely savoury and great to melt over a burger. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 10 Jun 16 19:20   More reliable that an opinion poll - Dog

>>Where was the Danish Blue? On the top shelf most likely. ;-) Reply to this message | Report message       1

Fri 10 Jun 16 17:59   More reliable that an opinion poll - Manatee

>> Pretty conclusive eh? What did the octopus on the fish counter say? Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 10 Jun 16 18:02   More reliable that an opinion poll - CGNorwich

Dunno but it was arguing with a pair of kippers. Last edited by: CGNorwich on Fri 10 Jun 16 at 18:06 Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 10 Jun 16 18:16   More reliable that an opinion poll - Manatee

>> Dunno but it was arguing with a pair of kippers. and Alex Salmon? Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 10 Jun 16 18:18   More reliable that an opinion poll - CGNorwich

Obsessed with migration. Last edited by: CGNorwich on Fri 10 Jun 16 at 18:22 Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 10 Jun 16 18:24   More reliable that an opinion poll - Stuartli

>>The non pasteurised are in a little basket by themselves.>> Nothing gets pasteurise, does it?..:-) Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 15 Jun 16 16:58   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Manatee

Out. Yes. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 15 Jun 16 20:57   In or out ? Keep it simple. - mikeyb

Out Yes Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 15 Jun 16 21:00   In or out ? Keep it simple. - WillDeBeest

You surprise me, Mikey. Who here persuaded you? Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 15 Jun 16 21:08   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Haywain

"You surprise me, Mikey. Who here persuaded you?" You're an influential chap, Will; maybe you have the same effect on folks as Sir Bob? Reply to this message | Report message       3

Wed 15 Jun 16 22:00   In or out ? Keep it simple. - WillDeBeest

Being you just gets more satisfying every day, doesn't it, HW? I'm surprised you need to vote at all. Reply to this message | Report message       2

Wed 15 Jun 16 22:11   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Haywain

" I'm surprised you need to vote at all." I don't. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 15 Jun 16 22:14   In or out ? Keep it simple. - legacylad

Keep getting a pop up from R Branson informing me that it would be very damaging for GB. Any chance he could be a little more specific and tell me how it would affect upper Ribblesdale? .******* Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 15 Jun 16 22:17   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Runfer D'Hills

I suppose that's the risk you run if you keep googling things with the word virgin in them... ;-)) Reply to this message | Report message       2

Wed 15 Jun 16 22:18   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Westpig

>> I suppose that's the risk you run if you keep googling things with the word >> virgin in them... ..or 'tit' Reply to this message | Report message       1

Wed 15 Jun 16 22:40   In or out ? Keep it simple. - No FM2R

>> ..or 'tit' That made me laugh Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 15 Jun 16 22:51   In or out ? Keep it simple. - legacylad

Pornithology was never my strong point Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 15 Jun 16 22:20   In or out ? Keep it simple. - neiltoo

1. Out 2. No Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 16 Jun 16 20:51   In or out ? Keep it simple. - mikeyb

>> You surprise me, Mikey. Who here persuaded you? >> Initially I started off being convinced "in" was the obvious choice, but after I started listening to both sides I became frustrated with the scare tactics being used by the remain team. IMO we don't really know what the impact will be, but I'm pretty sure if we vote remain then we will have zero control over what happens to us, so I've decided we should try something different Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 16 Jun 16 23:20   In or out ? Keep it simple. - rtj70

>> scare tactics being used by the remain team But what if they're right ;-) Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 16 Jun 16 23:39   In or out ? Keep it simple. - WillDeBeest

Isn't '76m Turks poised to flood our NHS' a scare tactic - with far less basis in fact or independent corroboration than Remain's economic justification? Just watched Govey's Question Time performance. Very weak and evasive and extraordinarily light on facts, but with liberal use of the 'take control' jingle and such demagogic tropes as 'make a patriotic decision' and 'I believe in this country'. Curiously, what none of a mostly unimpressed audience challenged him on was his true motivation. Like many Outies, he lies outside the centre-right-centre-left continuum of European politics and detests the social liberalism on which much European thinking rests. He pretended to believe in the NHS - and when challenged tried to wriggle away from his academic works advocating its dismantling - and the other 'public services', when really he's itching to be free of the buffering influence of European civilization and to pitch us back into the 1880s or even the Salem witch trials. I can understand this appealing to the hangers and floggers here, but I can't quite reconcile it with support from the likes of Mikey and Manatee. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 17 Jun 16 00:11   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Manatee

I thought Gove's performance poor too, and I can't see it persuading many, but to me it was no more excruciating than the stuff I have heard from the PM and the Chancellor. "Take back control of our country" is a reasonable sound bite that does actually mean something but the endless repetition weakened rather than reinforced the impact, and the fawning to the supposedly sensible and ingenious British was much overdone too. Perhaps the reasoning is that most people only watch for two minutes. To me the value of freedom of action, as limited as it always is, has been understated in the case for Leave. The weakness in the Remain case for me has always been the assumption that the future will be like the present - that things have been and are OK, and that a Remain vote is therefore a vote for what we currently have. "There is no plan" is a frequent criticism of Leave. Well IMO the EU is here, now, and still does not have a workable plan - political union seems impossible, the euro is a ticking bomb. I also hear the argument that a vote to Leave, rather than "taking back control" is handing it to the horrid right wing of the Conservative party. A moment's thought should be enough to dish that one. There will be a general election by 2020, when we shall hardly have disengaged from the EU. If we don't like what we have then we can "chuck them out", not something we could do with all of our British votes to the European government if it doesn't give us what we want. That is a slightly cartoon view but this is supposed to be the "keep it simple" thread. Last edited by: Manatee on Fri 17 Jun 16 at 00:13 Reply to this message | Report message       1

Thu 16 Jun 16 09:38   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Alanovich

>> Out. >> >> Yes. >> Knew it all along. That's a very recent change of heart, so for such a balanced and open minded person, what is it that has finally convinced you to vote the way I knew you were going to vote all along? I thought you were going to defer to your children's wishes and go along with them? Last edited by: Alanović on Thu 16 Jun 16 at 09:39 Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 16 Jun 16 09:55   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Alanovich

I see you've explained in the other thread. I are disappoint, but not surprise. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 16 Jun 16 21:25   In or out ? Keep it simple. - Boxsterboy

1. Out 2. I was open-minded at the start and could have voted either way. Having considered the pros and cons of each position, I have decided on out. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 17 Jun 16 20:25   In or out ? Keep it simple. - RattleandSmoke

Slightly open minded but 1. In 2. No Reply to this message | Report message