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I wonder what the hot tubs are like at the overnight motels?
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We're taking that route in June, well more or less, but we'll be adding an Ordnance Survey map in to deviate a bit!
I'll let you know about the hot tubs LL but it won't be in a motel!
Pat
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We sold it at Easter Bromp.
Just didn't want to put WdeB out of his misery too soon:)
We've thoroughly enjoyed caravanning but it's time to move on and do a bit of 'grab a bag and go' type of travelling around.
The itinery is one night at Scarborough to visit relatives then one at Inverness.
Two nights at Thurso, two nights at Ullapool followed by two nights at the very top of Skye, one at Fort William and two at Oban!
Varied accommodation, some basic, some luxury but ALL allow smoking (if only on a bedroom balcony) so it is out there if you look for it, so really no need for the caravan now.
Round trip is 1460 miles without any deviation for sight seeing so it will give the XC60 a good workout!
Pat
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We sold it at Easter Bromp.
Just didn't want to put WdeB out of his misery too soon:)
Would you settle for making my day? That's worth a high-five and a virtual hug. Hope it's a great trip.
}:---D
...more rejoicing over one sinner that repenteth etc.
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I have one word for you WdeB....and I think you know what that it:)
Pat
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Looks like a wonderful drive. There are some wonderful places to visit in the UK and even at my age I have barely scratched the surface.
Friends keep suggesting that 3 or 4 of us should club together & buy a mid sized camper and share all the costs. I'd prefer to sleep in a tent outside to be honest, and maybe I should raise the subject again with my friends... A long summer continental trip to Croatia appeals to me.
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Pat if you like fish, I would thoroughly recommend the EE-Usk restaurant in Oban, right on the seafront. Food is amazing, huge choice and most caught very local.
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>> Pat if you like fish, I would thoroughly recommend the EE-Usk restaurant in Oban,
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If you like fried fish and chips, pop in here on the way back. Recommended.
www.bigfryfishandchips.com/
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>> We're taking that route in June, well more or less, but we'll be adding an
>> Ordnance Survey map in to deviate a bit!
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So will I, maybe see you along the road, preferably not on one of the single track bits. :-)
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Think this is proving to be a very popular route, hopefully it doesn't get too popular.
Over on Pistonheads there are a few threads running on it but most of these involve will my McLaren / Ferrari / Lamborghini ground on any parts of the road!!! Maybe not the same issue for the Volvo!
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Well let's compare. Route 66 ran through
Santa Monica
Los Angeles
Flagstaff
Albuquerque
Santa Fe
Las Vegas
Amarillo
Oklahoma City
Tulsa
St Louis
Chicago
And the alternative passes through where? Ah yes Inverness and Fort William. Doesn't have quite the same ring somehow. :-)
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Las Vegas is like Blackpool on steroids. The USA is no better than Scotland, other than it is a bit warmer in the South. It is just different. And yes I have travelled in New England, the Midwest, Florida, California, Hawaii, and also Canada. How much of the USA or Scotland have you visited CGN?
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Oh "rubbish".
Now the US is no better than Scotland, but its vastly different. And I have lived all over the US for many years, for rather more years than I lived in Scotland, to be fair.
I also have been in and around 66 quite a lot, and whilst I have no doubt that a road in Scotland could be beautiful and exciting, it still wouldn't be Route 66, any more than the other way around.
Why does it have to be about which is better?
p.s. Blackpool is nasty. Hate the place. I spent 9 miserable months there.
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Exactly my point, neither is better, they are different. I have not been to Blackpool and have no intention of going there. A few days in Vegas cured me of wanting to return there. The skiing in the Rockies of both the USA and Canada is way better than Scotland, they have serious mountains!
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>>A few days in Vegas cured me of wanting to return there.
Each to their own. I really, really enjoy Las Vegas. I don't gamble, I fear addiction, but I love people watching.
Loads of stuff to enjoy in and around Las Vegas. I get invited most years for trade shows. Love it. The annual show in Las Vegas and the one in Barcelona are the only ones I make a point of.
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>> >>A few days in Vegas cured me of wanting to return there.
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>> Each to their own. I really, really enjoy Las Vegas. I don't gamble, I fear
>> addiction, but I love people watching.
I agree there's something about walking down the strip that never gets old.
>> Loads of stuff to enjoy in and around Las Vegas. I get invited most years for trade shows. Love it. The annual show in Las Vegas and the one in Barcelona are the only ones I make a point of.
Ever been right out into the bondu? an hour or more from vegas
it's like another planet compared to the strip.
I always like going to the hoover dam there's something about the engineering to appreciate. Henderson is a good place for an afternoon drink.
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A few days in Vegas cured me of
>> wanting to return there.
Normally takes longer than that. I think I've spent in total 7 months there, the OTT nature of it wears off about the 3 week point although that's hugely depending on age from my experience anyway.
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A bit touchy aren't we ON? I have actually driven most of that Scottish Route and it is undoubtedly a beautiful drive although it has to be said it has rained a lot wheneve I've taken a holiday there. There is no denying the natural beauty and scenery though. The towns it passes through aren't that exciting though.
For a cultural experience the old Route 66 would take some beating though Just read that list of names. It's pure magic. It pure America. It's Steinbeck,it's films, it's Jazz, the essence of the USA. I've been to California and Chicago. As well as New England . I would love to seem more.
Most of my North American travel tends to be in Canada for family reasons. Off to Nova Scotia in July. You would love it there ON iIts a lot like its namesake but doesn't rain as much in the summer. The food is better too.. The midges are worse.
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>>It's pure magic
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I must have become a bit travel or world weary, another airport, another, city, another beach, another pile of dusty rocks, another war zone to avoid. I was in the Maldives last December, an island country with political unrest and violence, well contained and kept away from the tourist islands. Five star sunshine and facilities but in reality just another beach.
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I rather have the feeling 0N that you have travelled an awful lot but seen rather little.
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That's cos underwater everything looks the same ......
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>> That's cos underwater everything looks the same ......
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Nothing beats snorkeling on the Great Barrier Reef, and I have seen a few reefs around the world, minus a submarine. :-)
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With Over 50 years of both military and private worldwide travel I can assure you I have seen more than many people. We rarely return to a destination, a few exceptions are Zell am See / Kaprun (skiing), Australia , lived there and friends there, and the Maldives, just nice. The good thing about travelling in Scotland (and England) is we can just use the car and choose the weather,
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Wish I could choose the weather in Scotland.! I've participated a few times in the TGO Challenge, the largest backpacking event in the world, held each May. A choice of several start points on the western seaboard, plan your own route C2C across Scotland, and enjoy. In good weather, Scotland is the most beautiful place I have ever visited. But when it rains, day after day, and you are covering 15+ miles each day and living in a lightweight shelter, it ain't much fun, although you get huge satisfaction out of completing the event.
Totally different to backpacking the SW Coast Path, or the Sierra Nevada. But like ON, certain places draw me back, hopefully for a few more years.
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>> Wish I could choose the weather in Scotland.!
I just look out of the window. :-)
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>> The food is better too.
For me the breakfasts were really good, but I wasn't so enthusiastic about the dinners. They seemed to like serving up spare ribs and corn, and I didn't really like either.
>>The midges are worse.
Yes. Wire mesh panels put up at the windows to keep the midges out in the summer, replaced by double glazed panels for the winter.
A long time ago.
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Rural Nova Scotia is rather limited in it food choices. They have inherited the Scottish ancestors fondness for deep frying and although Nova Scotia produces some of the finest sea food in the world finding a proper sea food restaurant is surprisingly difficult outside Halifax
Halifax has lots of really good restaurants though and is a great City to visit. For scenery and driving Cape Breton takes a bit of beating. For anyone looking for a different location for their holiday Nova Scotia is a good choice. Only a five and half hour flight away too.
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I've done every inch of that route several times over the years.
In good weather, there are few better sightseeing experiences; In bad weather......well...
I must admit that I'm confused as to why they would use the coast road above Lochinver, but revert to the inland route down to Ullapool.
Some of the best scenery around there in good weather is the Coast Road South of Lochinver through Inverkirkaig, and then back to the main road past Stac Pollaidh, and I would recommend this (single track) diversion in good weather.
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That's the one we're planning on taking, tyred but we don't stick to plans a lot on holiday.
If something looks interesting on the OS map then it's always worth a look!
The problem at the moment is finding some Standing Stones to watch the sun rise on Midsummers day morning. We will have been at Thurso overnight and setting off very early for a trip around the far North West corner.
Pat
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We will be four days ahead of you on that route, please check the roadside ditches. :-)
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...funnily enough, I've helped recover two vehicles from off the road on that route.
On my first visit many years ago four of us manhandled a Chevette out of the ditch at Laxford Bridge (it was single track in those days, and someone had misjudged the passing place).
Much more recently I spent quite a long time helping a party recover an MB Sprinter based minibus which had simply been driven (unintentionally) off the side of the road, down the bank and into the peat. (luckily, though it must have been quite spectacular, without injury).
The ice-axe I had with me proved a useful boulder-moving implement, and we cleared the route for recovery - though they had to wait for a truck to winch them out.
Incidentally, though mobile coverage in the Highlands is surprisingly good (depending on network), it was a good half-mile walk to a high point to get a signal.
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>> The problem at the moment is finding some Standing Stones to watch the sun rise
>> on Midsummers day morning.
The obvious answer is Callanish. But that's a different trip, or at least a major rejig to be on the Stornoway ferry on the 20th.
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...Orkney (Stenness) is closer.......
There is a "ring" South of Thurso just off the A9, but, from memory, the stones aren't particularly high.
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...that is they.
Not exactly the stuff for viewing the sunrise, but we stopped there once on the way up to Thurso.
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They look beautiful and interesting but it will need to be somewhere between Thurso and Bettyhill ideally.
We may well stop and have a look at those on the way up to Thurso though.
Pat
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Not taking the A99 and A836 around the top right corner? You will miss Dunnet Head, the most northern bit of the mainland. There is a lighthouse at the end of the access road. John o' Groats was not worth the detour last time I was there, about 10 years ago.
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Yes we are taking that route ON, we're based at Thurso for two days to explore the top right hand corner but will be leaving very early on the morning of mid summers day.
Pat
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...from Bettyhill, the glow in the East may well be Dounreay...... ;-)
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Also known as HMS Vulcan, there were (are) several submarine reactors there. The early trials and nuclear propulsion training was done there.
A836
goo.gl/maps/1QqtrwQqLqt
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I believe that character to be Jack-in-the-Green Dog.
Have a look at this and see if you agree.
paganwiccan.about.com/od/beltanemayday/p/Beltane_History.htm
Pat
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Ta Pat. I used to know a few Green Man pubs back in the day, as I'm sure you do too, but I never wondered what it/he meant until today.
After a bit of research last night I also came up with Jack-in-the-Green, which led me on to Cernunnos the horned god (and Crowley of course)
There are even depictions of horned gods as far back as the ancient Egyptians. Here's something closer to home:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horned_God#/media/File:Horned_God.JPG
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Pat, this is on your route between Thurso and John o' Groats.
www.castleofmey.org.uk
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Thanks Pat, I'll have a good read of that later. Have a listen (+ lyrics) to this little ditty that I came across after looking around the other site yoos posted:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCyod8ziZpo
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Loved it, Dog. Thanks for posting.
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Yes, me too, it is good and I hadn't really listened to it before.
Pat
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As you are a gardener you mày be interested in this Pat.
www.nts.org.uk/Property/Inverewe-Garden-and-Estate/
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Now that's more like it and looks well worth a visit!
Pat
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...and if you have enough time, head out on the dead-end road from Poolewe/Inverewe and visit the memorial to the Russian convoys.....
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My previous suggestion of Mey Castle was prompted by the gardens, not visited it myself though.
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I will certainly manage to get Ian round one garden while we're on holiday but the chances of a second one are unlikely as he's on 'garden overload' at the minute being my skivvy:)
If you can find a steam train or a military or aircraft museum for him I may be able to bribe or barter a second one too!
Pat
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If you can only manage one make it Inverewe. There is a lot of military infrastructure in that area but it is not obvious to the passer by.
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Also in the Fort William area is the Nevis Range gondola, it is only worth going up if the visibility is good.
www.nevisrange.co.uk/gondola-info.asp
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No way am I getting in that....despite me now being bribed about a second garden! I don't like heights;)
Pat
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You will never be a skier. That is a tiny one. :-)
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I loved route 66, drove it from LA to New Jersey.
In downtown Memphis or Nashville, I forget which, got talking to some teenage girls who were intrigued by my accent. They didn't seem to have heard of Elvis Presley, but perhaps they were kidding. They were very, but charmingly, ignorant of the real outside world. 'Huh?' they kept saying. Little darlings.
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Thanks to Pat for posting the site which led to me finding said song :)
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Like you, Dog, I'll read the text Pat posted later. The song made me feel at one with everything. If, like me, you don't subscribe to any religion, I think you need to feel that way.
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>> The song made me feel at one with everything. If, like me, you don't subscribe to any religion, I think you need to feel that way.
God how boring. Just like the damn song. How can people listen to this Scheisse and actually enjoy it?
Perhaps there's something wrong with my aesthetic sense. But if you think that you're going to have to prove it.
I know this is an offensive post, but I don't mean it personally.
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You're entitled to your opinion, AC, but you won't draw me into a discussion about it.
The Jack in the Green parade took place in Hastings yesterday. This shows some of it in 2012:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=onZZgRLqGMQ
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>>The Jack in the Green parade took place in Hastings yesterday. This shows some of it in 2012:
>>www.youtube.com/watch?v=onZZgRLqGMQ
Great stuff John Boy, tis good to keep the olde traditions alive, just like they do in Cornwall.
The times I've walked down that street to Rock a Nore with my late brother - brings back many memories :) & :(
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>> Perhaps there's something wrong with my aesthetic sense.
Seems pretty spot on to me. A complete loas of quasi mystic tosh.
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>>made me feel at one with everything. If, like me, you don't subscribe to any religion, I think you need to feel that way<<
Exactly jonboy, even better, it's a very private thing which *usually* doesn't invite criticism!
One persons 'mystic tosh' is another's solace from this cruel and heartless world we live in......and of course, that's how it should be.
Pat
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It is of course everybody's right to believe that their life is guided by a creature half man and half vegetable if it makes them feel better.
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You are sooo way off the mark CG, no wonder the world is full of extremists!
I think everyone feels an affinity with something, be it the sea, nature, poetry or something like religion or even the night sky. Some lean on alcohol, crime, addiction to drugs or gambling.
We all have a *crutch to lean on when the going gets tough and those crutches all come in different shapes and sizes but what works for one doesn't have to work for another.
*Some will never admit it though.
Pat
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>>You are sooo way off the mark CG, no wonder the world is full of extremists!
I've learnt to just ignore 'em Pat. Life's too short, knowlmean. Jonathan Cainer died this week = 58!
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I am a little unclear why I Have become an extremist because I don't believe in some sort of neo pagan twaddle, green men and horned beasts.
Of ours the world is a wonderful place and the diversity of nature is truly astonishing and an understating that we are part of the natural world is essential to understanding it but for me that understanding come from science not mysticism.
Standing in a field at the summers solstice watching the sun rise with a crowd of latter day Druids won't give you 1% of the insight into the wonder that is the solar system that a book on basic astronomy and a telescope will provide.
I have so far managed to avoid crime alcoholism drugs and gambling despite adopting a sceptical approach to such hokum all my life.
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>> I am a little unclear why I Have become an extremist <<
The above remark and this one, drew me to that conclusion.
>>Standing in a field at the summers solstice watching the sun rise with a crowd
>> of latter day Druids <<
Again, you have no idea, yet don't hesitate to condemn others finding what they want in the way they want to.
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>> despite adopting a sceptical approach to such hokum all my life.<<
Whatever works for you CG, is fine by me:)
Perhaps you could be the same?
Pat
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I don't condemn anybody. Its a free country. I am also free to find new age mysticism, invented pagan gods and people dressed up in old sheet as druids at the summer solstice ridiculous.
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>> invented pagan gods
What's 'pagan' got to do with it? They're all invented. Dressing up in old sheets/Popes in silly hats/women under wraps/turbans/woteva. No difference between any of them. All equally ridiculous. Why single out the Druids?
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Because we were we were discussing the lyrics of a song posted earlier rather than the Pope and the Catholic church.
I agree his hat is particularly silly though.
p.s Aren't all hats a little bit silly?
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Not when you're in Moscow and it's -25 deg C. I can assure you of that.
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That's a necessity and excused. Mind you those hats with side flaps that cover your ears and usually worn by old blokes in cold weather are particularly silly.
Gregory Porter the jazz singler wears a particularly silly hat
cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/35/590x/Gregory-porter-flat-cap-518340.jpg
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I never wear hats really. But the other day, it was raining incessantly and both the dog and I were terminally bored so I decided to brave the weather anyway. My wife found a baseball cap somewhere in the house. I knew nothing of its history or how it came to be here ( bit of a worry that but we digress )
Anyway, it was suggested that it could be worn on that occasion and despite my reservations it was.
On glancing in the hall mirror on the way out it occurred to me that it gave me a look of Tom Selleck which in the passing, I mentioned to my wife. I think she agreed but she was rendered temporarily unable to speak and for some reason got on her hands and knees and started to slap the floor. I can only take it that this is one of her housekeeping techniques and that the resulting dust had affected her voice in some way...
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Don't worry tyred, I am sitting here sticking pins in effigies as we speak!
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>> Don't worry tyred, I am sitting here sticking pins in effigies as we speak!
That's Voodoo an entirely different kettle of tosh, to mix a metaphor.
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A place for a break on th A9 is the House of Bruar near Blair Athol. Good coffee and cakes in an up market tourist trap.
www.houseofbruar.com
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>> No difference between any of them. All equally ridiculous. Why single out the Druids?
There are differences, essentially a matter of numbers. 'Belief' in deities of various sorts may seem misplaced to a stern rationalist like you or a polite one like me, but we are surely outnumbered by those who find comfort in complicated superstitions.
My youngest daughter had a boy friend who was some sort of druid, or thought he was. He had very long hair and wasn't a bad fellow, but fortunately it didn't last all that long. I think she started to see the whole thing as a bit dumb given her parents' kind but unvarying scepticism. The young are such a worry sometimes.
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>> There are differences, essentially a matter of numbers.
Indeed, that really is the only difference.
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>> The song made me feel at one with everything. If, like me, you don't subscribe to any religion, I think you need to feel that way.
God how boring. Just like the damn song. How can people listen to this Scheisse and actually enjoy it?
Perhaps there's something wrong with my aesthetic sense. But if you think that you're going to have to prove it.
I know this is an offensive post, but I don't mean it personally.
For the record:
Note the word "feel" in my response to the song. I ignored the references to Antlered Crown, Horned God etc. I didn't know what/who they were, but assumed they were part of pre-Christian mythology. If there is a god, I like the idea that he, she or it resides within all of us as a life force. The song, which I'd never heard before, seemed to express that perfectly. I was immediately the being he was singing about.
As it happens, a life crisis led me for several years into activities best described as "new age" or alternative. Some of those things don't bear scientific analysis, but they're still very powerful and served their purpose for me. I've been described, correctly I think, as "cynical", but I seem to have been good at knowing when to suspend my disbelief, let go and profit from the unexpected things which have arisen. I haven't stood "in a field at the summers solstice watching the sun rise with a crowd of latter day Druids", but, if it was easier for me to do, I might. It would be to find out what it felt like.
Some years ago I camped for 3 days at a new age festival. I went mainly for the music and dancing, but there were alternative therapy workshops and so on as well. One of those was advertised as a "nature walk". It was led by a quiet, ordinary-looking guy, who encouraged us to talk, as we went, but only about how we felt. As always on such occasions, I found that really hard as I'm emotionally very stable, not given to shifts in mood. We went through some amazing woods and eventually arrived in the centre of a clearing. To my horror, he then said "I'd like you all to find a tree, put your arms around the trunk for a minute or so and then come back here. In the spirit of experimentation, I did that, along with everyone else - there were 8 to 10 of us. He then picked one of us out, blindfolded them, spun them round several times and said "Now find your tree." That person went off, arms in front, and stopped just in front of their tree. Then, one by one, we all did the same thing.
Is there a scientific explanation for that? Does it really matter? The lasting effect has been to make me feel sorry for those who use the term "treehugger" as an insult.
I don't see why I should defend myself against someone (AC) who had to be offensive to disagree with me. Nevertheless, I've tried to do it here, but that's as far as I'm going. I wrote this because I woke this morning with the words in my head and had to get rid of them. If you've had a similar experience to the one I've described above, I'd enjoy reading about it. Please don't bother with one of the sharp "put downs", which can be an unpleasant feature of this forum. As Dog said, life is too short.
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Thanks for that post John Boy, I know exactly what you mean.
You will know what I mean when I say this >> "in a field at the summers solstice watching the sun rise with a crowd of latter day Druids", <<
In all the years I've been doing this I've never seen a Druid, but then we don't go to Stonehenge or Avebury where it's become 'fashionable' to attend, much like Glastonbury is now.
We actively seek out, with the help of some ancient maps, a place we're both drawn to.
Sometimes stones, sometimes an ancient Holy Well just like last year at St Nunns Well near Looe, where we will be alone to enjoy the sunrise, solace and peace and understanding it brings us both.
Our friends are convinced we dance naked around the stones as the sun rises....we let them think that if it makes them happy.
I was asked on here some years ago if I was a Pagan and ignored the question because I knew the answer would bring criticism and ridicule but I can answer it now.
I'm not a Witch, Druid, Pagan or Ovate but I do know enough about their values to know they closely align with mine and make me a better person for getting to know myself that well, instead of conforming to what most consider to be normal.
Off to stir the cauldron now....
Pat
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For Dog (for anyone else, if you don't approve then don't bother reading it!)
The summer solstice this year will be celebrated here
www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=1
Pat
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An ex girlfriend from my teens who is now a very good and close friend is a pagan of some sort. I can't say I know all the terms and the differences between them, but her partner is also some kind of pagan / druid or something who works as a wandering story teller, and she teaches some kind of meditation with the Earth thing.
I can't say it makes much sense to me, but I don't really see why it would be ridiculed, and it most certainly shouldn't be. A nice bunch of people I think, and I've met quite a lot when visiting my friends, following a set of beliefs that harms nobody and nothing.
Anyway, good for you, its always nice to gather with other like-minded folk.
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>> I can't say it makes much sense to me, but I don't really see why it would be ridiculed, and it most certainly shouldn't be. A nice bunch of people I think, and I've met quite a lot when visiting my friends, following a set of beliefs that harms nobody and nothing.
Quite FMR. It isn't my sort of thing at all but it seems generally harmless. My youngest daughter had a boyfriend who was that way inclined, perfectly nice cat and not stupid or anything.
Of course some of these people are dumb. But so are some Marxists I can't help noticing.
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>>its always nice to gather with other like-minded folk,,
We're actually hoping there will be no-one else there but us at 3.30am :) ...but I get your drift Mark:)
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In the early seventies I had a girl friend who wanted to see Stonehenge at daybreak. We arrived one Saturday night after dark and slept in a Morris Minor van in the car park. We woke slightly late, but it was immediately apparent that we weren't the only people there. Worse still, there was a man, in a peaked hat and uniform, running around trying to stop them getting anywhere near the Stones.
Needless to say, we went back to sleep. The site wasn't brilliant in the toilet department, so we drove into Salisbury where we found the most civilised public toilets I've ever been in, complete with an attendant. I've often wondered if they're still there, but get too exasperated by the traffic in the town to try and find them.
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Similar; Just substitute....
Late 70s, Mk 1 Transit van, Cafe in Amesbury.
Actually with the girlfriend I mentioned above, only she was more hippy than pagan in those days.
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An alternative route 66. - legacylad
