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New Mon 4 Apr 16 09:02   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - R.P.

***** This thread is now closed, please CLICK HERE to go to Volume 9 ***** ============================================================= Continuing debate Last edited by: VxFan on Fri 8 Apr 16 at 10:11

New Mon 4 Apr 16 14:34   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

Why did you not stay with Volume 7. The debate you started was getting interesting.

New Mon 4 Apr 16 14:41   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Bromptonaut

>> Why did you not stay with Volume 7. >> >> The debate you started was getting interesting. Threads are usually 're-volumed' after 100 posts. allows them to load quicker particularly on phones/tablets.

New Mon 4 Apr 16 15:22   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

I am beginning to realise I should have stayed with Volume 7. Sorry

New Mon 4 Apr 16 18:31   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - VxFan

>> I am beginning to realise I should have stayed with Volume 7. I'm sure a lot of other people feel the same way too.

New Mon 4 Apr 16 19:40   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

Thanks for your support VxFan       1

New Tue 5 Apr 16 19:14   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

If the UK votes to leave the E.U. will David Cameron resign. Or will he try to cling on.

New Tue 5 Apr 16 19:36   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Manatee

I think he might be a Klingon.

New Tue 5 Apr 16 20:17   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

I do to he might try to cling on.

New Tue 5 Apr 16 21:37   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - VxFan

Who cares whether he stays or goes. Whoever replaces him will be just as useless.

New Tue 5 Apr 16 21:50   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

My thought is the same, VxFan.

New Wed 6 Apr 16 01:33   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - VxFan

>> My thought is the same, VxFan. So why bother asking then?

New Tue 5 Apr 16 22:53   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Zero

>> Who cares whether he stays or goes. Whoever replaces him will be just as useless. Could be more useless. (thinking BoJo)

New Wed 6 Apr 16 08:15   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

i would be glad if David Cameron resigned regardless of the outcome.

New Wed 6 Apr 16 09:15   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Zero

>> i would be glad if David Cameron resigned regardless of the outcome. And who would you replace him with?

New Wed 6 Apr 16 10:37   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - VxFan

>> i would be glad if David Cameron resigned regardless of the outcome. Hang on a minute, previously said you didn't care if he stays or goes.

New Wed 6 Apr 16 10:48   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - CGNorwich

I what way is David Cameron "useless" ? It seem to me that despite all expectations and prophecies including that of many on here his the last six years have been a surprisingly benign period for most. OK in the economy we still have to do more but for most individuals a combination of low inflation, low interest rates and relatively high employment have made this country one of the more desirable places in the world in which to live. We have had major wars, terrorism in the UK has by and large not succeeded, we still have a decent health service, our government and civil service is not corrupt. I can see that coming from a wealthy background David Cameron many people find it difficult to relate to him but he seems to me to be perfectly decent human being trying to do his best. Not perfect but not extreme and appealing to a large spectrum of the population in the centre of politics. Very few Prime Ministers have actually been "useless", you just don't get that far if you are.       3

New Wed 6 Apr 16 10:53   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Alanovich

He was much more useful when in coalition with the LibDems. Would that we could have voted to continue the coalition. Would that we could get electoral reform, and benefit from further productive, moderate coalition government.

New Wed 6 Apr 16 10:57   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

Cameron took the Conservative Party leadership in 2005. In 1997 the Conservative Party was destroyed. The same was true with the Liberal landslide in 1906. The Unionist Coalition in 1906 was wiped out.

New Wed 6 Apr 16 11:02   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - No FM2R

Well at least we know that a degree from Hull covers copying from Google without understanding.       5

New Wed 6 Apr 16 07:56   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Bromptonaut

He's going whatever. He said so during the election campaign last year. If anything that emerges from the 'Panama Papers' makes his recent statements on the subject look less thanthe whole truth he'll be on his bike even sooner.

New Wed 6 Apr 16 09:22   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

Cameron said he is only going to do two full terms of office. Who is going to replace him?

New Wed 6 Apr 16 09:30   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - smokie

>> Who is going to replace him? >> You go first this time Fluffy... :-)

New Wed 6 Apr 16 09:53   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

I would rather see Boris Johnson as P.M. than George Osbourne.

New Wed 6 Apr 16 09:57   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Zero

>> I would rather see Boris Johnson as P.M. than George Osbourne. There you go then fluffs, you have just solved the steel crisis jobs as well, they can all be shipped down to southend to build Boris Island Airport in the Thames Estuary.

New Wed 6 Apr 16 10:26   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - movilogo

Cameron's credibility took a hit (if he had any to start with) after the Panama Papers leak. Now fewer people would trust him what he says which in turn might increase number of people voting in favour of leaving EU :-)

New Wed 6 Apr 16 10:48   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - No FM2R

>>Cameron's credibility took a hit (if he had any to start with) after the Panama Papers leak. Did it?       1

New Wed 6 Apr 16 10:47   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

I agree with you Zero, if I was David Cameron I would never have put in the Conservative Party manifesto, the referendum on the E.U.

New Wed 6 Apr 16 11:56   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Manatee

>> if I was David Cameron I would never have put >> in the Conservative Party manifesto, the referendum on the E.U. Then you would probably have lost the election and/or the leadership. He needed to unite his own fractious party by appeasing its eurosceptics, and eat as much of UKIP's lunch as he could get away with to stem the loss of votes to them. The promise served his purpose and now we all have to live with the consequences.       1

New Wed 6 Apr 16 12:42   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Zero

I think few if any votes went his way because of the manifesto promise because few if any believed it would happen And it united the party NOT

New Wed 6 Apr 16 13:12   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

UKIP gained 4.4 million votes in the 2015 General Election but only one M.P. Surely the spin doctors for the Conservative Party would have known that.

New Wed 6 Apr 16 13:17   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - tyrednemotional

....I'd rather have Fluffy as Prime Minister than George Osborne! Though, in all seriousness, he seems to exhibit most of the required attributes for senior politicians nowadays, and he has a degree in Politics and Economics from Hull. Ideally qualified; Go for it Fluff!l

New Wed 6 Apr 16 13:20   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - movilogo

>> he has a degree in Politics and Economics from Hull. Wikipedia says he has degree in History and not Economics!

New Wed 6 Apr 16 13:22   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - tyrednemotional

....Fluffy has an entry on Wikipedia................??????????

New Wed 6 Apr 16 13:23   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - tyrednemotional

>> Wikipedia says he has degree in History and not Economics! >> ....so, further qualification; He lies is economical with the truth.       1

New Wed 6 Apr 16 13:46   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

Part of my degree does include Economics. It is political economy.

New Wed 6 Apr 16 13:50   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - No FM2R

You are so full of s***.

New Wed 6 Apr 16 14:04   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

Why the abuse?       4

New Wed 6 Apr 16 14:21   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - No FM2R

Because I think you're a dick. I must have forgotten to mention it.

New Wed 6 Apr 16 14:30   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

What have I done to upset you?

New Wed 6 Apr 16 18:04   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Focal Point

Fluffo, No FM2R gets upset at various people here from time to time. You can always try to argue with him. He usually reacts to that.       8

New Wed 6 Apr 16 18:44   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - No FM2R

Oh no I don't. Last edited by: No FM2R on Wed 6 Apr 16 at 18:45

New Wed 6 Apr 16 18:56   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Slidingpillar

< pantomime mode > Oh yes you do... < /pantomime mode >

New Wed 6 Apr 16 14:33   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - commerdriver

>> Part of my degree does include Economics. >> It is political economy. >> When I did it at Glasgow Uni in the 70s, Political Economy was just the Sunday name for Economics, they were (and probably still are) the same thing

New Wed 6 Apr 16 14:35   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

Thanks for your support. I worked hard at Uni.

New Wed 6 Apr 16 21:15   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Bromptonaut

>> I worked hard at Uni. But what about the product of your labours? A legal academic with whom I was professionally acquainted used the phrase 'Garnier Degrees' for those who thought they'd get upper seconds because you're worth it

New Wed 6 Apr 16 18:59   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - No FM2R

No, only *part* of the idiot's degree includes economics the rest is . Ummm... ahhhh.. well, you know. Stuff .

New Wed 6 Apr 16 20:21   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Roger.

The government is spending YOUR money to campaign on the "Remain" side. No choice there. The Leave side are campaigning on donations from individuals who WISH to give their money. Loaded dice? Certainly. Of course, those of you in the Remain camp will think this is a "good thing": using everyone's money to achieve an objective with which you only agree! www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/06/eu-referendum-taxpayers-to-fund9m-leaflet-to-every-home-warning/ Last edited by: Roger. on Wed 6 Apr 16 at 20:22

New Wed 6 Apr 16 20:24   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

At this moment I am more in mind to vote to leave the European Union.

New Wed 6 Apr 16 20:25   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

Please can someone persuade me to remain in the European union.

New Wed 6 Apr 16 20:47   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - CGNorwich

Good. very good.

New Wed 6 Apr 16 20:49   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Robin O'Reliant

>> Please can someone persuade me to remain in the European union. >> Ok. Please fluffy, remain in the European Union. The rest of us might leave, but you're more than welcome to stay. We'll try not to disturb you on the way out.

New Wed 6 Apr 16 21:04   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Zero

>> >> Please can someone persuade me to remain in the European union. >> >> >> Ok. >> >> Please fluffy, remain in the European Union. The rest of us might leave, but you're >> more than welcome to stay. We'll try not to disturb you on the way out. As I want to stay in, I want that the other way round

New Wed 6 Apr 16 20:58   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Dog

Ask yourself this fluffy - Why would anyone vote for Great Britain to remain in the European Union, and eventually become a province of a German-dominated super state, thereby losing our independence??

New Wed 6 Apr 16 21:02   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Zero

>> Ask yourself this fluffy - Why would anyone vote for Great Britain to remain in >> the European Union, and eventually become a province of a German-dominated super state, thereby losing >> our independence?? Possibly because as soon as any one starts to use the "german plot" theory, they know its a load of old crap? Last edited by: Zero on Wed 6 Apr 16 at 21:03

New Wed 6 Apr 16 21:08   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

The British could hold their own against anyone if we had more confidence in our own ability. Maybe the Germans are clever enough to make things but we are clever in knowing how to invest vast amounts of money flowing through the City of London. We have the worlds second biggest foreign investments behind the U.S.A. Our financial assets are vast.

New Wed 6 Apr 16 21:03   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Focal Point

"At this moment I am more in mind to vote to leave the European Union." "Please can someone persuade me to remain in the European union." Fluffo, my dear chap, you've got me confused. You want to leave the EU, but at the same time you want to be persuaded to stay. What do you really want? Do you even know? I get really worried and confused when I read some of your posts. Please help me, Fluffo!

New Wed 6 Apr 16 21:13   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

I am as confused about the Referendum as anybody could be. We have Europe second biggest economy behind only the Germans. The City of London is the global hub for finance. If we left the European Union would any of that be put at risk.

New Wed 6 Apr 16 22:52   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Dutchie

The city of London is the global hub of tax evasion>:) Why be confused about the referendum? If the UK leaves all cards are off the table.       1

New Thu 7 Apr 16 08:37   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - NortonES2

To Fluffy. Do you not read The Economist? I refer you to their reports. I'm not going to summarise, nor take sides. There is no point trying to convince those with emotional grounds for deciding which way to vote. Last edited by: NortonES2 on Thu 7 Apr 16 at 08:38

New Thu 7 Apr 16 06:45   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - WillDeBeest

The government is spending YOUR money to campaign on the "Remain" side. Yes. All the non-fruitcake parties at the 2015 election campaigned on a platform of remaining in the EU. Those who didn't want the government to support the In position had the option of electing a Ukip MP; remind us how that went.

New Thu 7 Apr 16 08:21   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Focal Point

"Those who didn't want the government to support the In position had the option of electing a Ukip MP..." Possibly - just possibly - there were other valid factors inhibiting voters from electing more UKIP MPs. That does not detract from the moral dubiousness of the Government throwing vast amounts of tax-payers' money into the "remain" campaign. The justification is presumably that the Government is acting in the best interests of the electorate by spending its money in this way - before that same electorate has decided if that is actually what it wants. Illogical and worse. Last edited by: Focal Point on Thu 7 Apr 16 at 08:21       3

New Thu 7 Apr 16 08:28   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - WillDeBeest

...moral dubiousness... 87% of votes cast were for In parties. The government has a mandate to support staying in. ...vast amounts... £9m? A few pence per head.       1

New Thu 7 Apr 16 08:36   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Zero

>> is acting in the best interests of the electorate by spending its money in this >> way - before that same electorate has decided if that is actually what it wants. >> >> Illogical and worse. So, you claim the electorate hasn't decided yet? thats logical. The government wishes to inform them of their best interests before they decide. Whats illogical about that? let alone "worse?" Last edited by: Zero on Thu 7 Apr 16 at 08:36

New Thu 7 Apr 16 08:55   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Focal Point

"The government wishes to inform them of their best interests before they decide." Who decides what's in the electorate's "best interests"? The Government (and you, presumably) are pre-empting the result of the referendum. Or would you prefer there was no referendum at all (on the basis that at the last general election a pro-Europe party was put into power)?       1

New Thu 7 Apr 16 08:58   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Zero

>> "The government wishes to inform them of their best interests before they decide." >> >> Who decides what's in the electorate's "best interests"? The Government (and you, presumably) are pre-empting >> the result of the referendum. I am merely using YOUR exact original words words when you were trying to claim the action was illogical. Now I suggest you change your argument to "I dont agree with them" rather than to try and claim the action is illogical. I am not preempting anything, I have no control or influence over who people vote, so why drag me into it. Last edited by: Zero on Thu 7 Apr 16 at 09:03

New Thu 7 Apr 16 11:34   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Focal Point

Oh dear. I said, "That does not detract from the moral dubiousness of the Government throwing vast amounts of tax-payers' money into the "remain" campaign. THE JUSTIFICATION IS PRESUMABLY THAT the Government is acting in the best interests of the electorate by spending its money in this way - before that same electorate has decided if that is actually what it wants." Sorry if you missed it, but the point is that the presumed justification is that and nothing more. In other words, it doesn't actually justify the Government spending money on one side of the issue. I was mocking the justification. It's hard work on here sometimes.       1

New Thu 7 Apr 16 11:59   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Zero

It is still logical, and because you dont agree with it does not make it illogical, because its based on precedence. In other manifestos the government has always spent money on putting its recommendations to the electorate. Did you know the "out" camp is also getting taxpayers money to put their case? I guess you think thats not logical either? No? OH! You are right its ruddy hard work on here at times Last edited by: Zero on Thu 7 Apr 16 at 12:00

New Thu 7 Apr 16 12:03   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Haywain

"You are right its ruddy hard work on here at times" It's very difficult when dealing with left-leaning dogmatics. I used to be one myself ......... and then I saw the light of Realism.

New Thu 7 Apr 16 18:32   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - tyrednemotional

....I think it must be quite rewarding (if confusing) to have been dogmatic from both perspectives..... ;-)

New Thu 7 Apr 16 19:13   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Haywain

"....I think it must be quite rewarding (if confusing) to have been dogmatic from both perspectives....." You're certainly right about 'confusing' as nowadays I tend to judge individual issues without reference to political party. I have certainly moved to the right, but have ended up somewhere in the middle as no party is wholly realistic or wholly fruit-caked. The confusing bit is that when I did the Telegraph's 'who should I vote for?' at the last election, I was 58% Conservative, 56% UKIP, 55% Labour, and 42% Libdem. That score was based on party support for a variety of issues.

New Thu 7 Apr 16 20:52   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Slidingpillar

The confusing bit is that when I did the Telegraph's 'who should I vote for?' at the last election, I was 58% Conservative, 56% UKIP, 55% Labour, and 42% Libdem. That score was based on party support for a variety of issues. Not surprising at all. Most people have a quite broad outlook and do not support one parties views completely.

New Thu 7 Apr 16 14:48   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Focal Point

"Did you know the "out" camp is also getting taxpayers money to put their case? I guess you think thats not logical either? No? OH!" Calm down, Zeddo. 'The chosen campaigns will get access to a grant of up to £600,000, an overall spending limit of £7m...' (www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35930898 ) As I understand it, the "Government money" is the grant of £600,000, available to each side. The printing of the pro-Europe leaflet (cost £9 million*) is funded by tax-payers' money. Not much parity there, then. Please set me right if I have got this wrong, if you can bear to. * which seems to bust the set limit of £7 million. Last edited by: VxFan on Thu 7 Apr 16 at 21:37       1

New Thu 7 Apr 16 09:06   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Zero

>> Or would you prefer there was no referendum at all (on the basis that at >> the last general election a pro-Europe party was put into power)? The short terse and dismissive answer is "whats that got to do with it" The long conciliatory and explanatory answer is: Is that not a logical conclusion if that was the case? However that is not the case, the referendum vote was in the manifesto. How much that influenced the vote, or the real reason it was in is open to debate and speculation, but it was and we have it.

New Thu 7 Apr 16 10:39   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Haywain

"All the non-fruitcake parties at the 2015 election campaigned on a platform of remaining in the EU." Ah, the sweet notion of a 'non-fruitcake" party. Which one is that?

New Thu 7 Apr 16 10:52   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - WillDeBeest

I agree that all the parties have their fruity parts, HW, but only one has its entire being founded on withdrawal from the 21st century. Fruitcake to the core.

New Thu 7 Apr 16 11:29   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

Do you judge UKIP to be a party of fruitcakes.

New Thu 7 Apr 16 12:00   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Haywain

"but only one has its entire being founded on withdrawal from the 21st century. Fruitcake to the core." Ah - then that'll be Labour.

New Thu 7 Apr 16 12:43   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

I would rather vote for fruitcakes than clowns.       1

New Thu 7 Apr 16 12:48   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Runfer D'Hills

You could put that to music. Has a Simon and Garfunkel feel to it.       3

New Thu 7 Apr 16 12:57   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - NortonES2

Bridge over Troubled Water album? El Nigel Pasa…. If only.       1

New Thu 7 Apr 16 13:01   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

Bridge Over Troubled Water is a classic album. One of my favourite albums of all time.

New Thu 7 Apr 16 16:12   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Westpig

>> Yes. All the non-fruitcake parties at the 2015 election campaigned on a platform of remaining >> in the EU. Those who didn't want the government to support the In position had >> the option of electing a Ukip MP; remind us how that went. >> I don't know about you, but when I vote it's based on many criteria, not just one. So there has to be a compromise on some things. So... I'd have to be pretty worked up about the EU and be willing to chuck other criteria out the window, just to have voted for UKIP and not the Tories. So, despite the fact I voted for an 'in' party, I would on the balance of things, prefer 'out'.

New Thu 7 Apr 16 16:27   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Roger.

>> The government is spending YOUR money to campaign on the "Remain" side. >> >> Yes. All the fruitcake parties at the 2015 election campaigned on a platform of remaining >> in the EU. (In YOUR opinion) There fixed it for you! (In MY opinion.)       3

New Thu 7 Apr 16 17:40   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - WillDeBeest

Took me a moment to notice your little prank there. Thought you were too old for inanities like that. (I think you've done it wrong too, but I have a 12-year-old at home to ask about that.) We say: yes to the Single Market, Yes to turbo-charging free trade, Yes to working together where we are stronger together than alone, Yes to a family of nation states, all part of a European Union. Not my words; taken verbatim from the 2015 Conservative Manifesto. Not a document I'd usually get much pleasure from reading but it proves my point in this case. Staying in the EU is government policy and it is quite entitled to promote that policy.

New Thu 7 Apr 16 18:09   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Robin O'Reliant

My leaflet will be readdressed to 10 Downing street and sent back unopened, as suggested by some MP (Labour I think) today. I wonder how many Labour MPs are Brexit fans? The party is certainly not unanimous in wanting to remain. Last edited by: Robin O'Reliant on Thu 7 Apr 16 at 18:09

New Thu 7 Apr 16 18:11   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

You at least got to read the leaflet from 10 Downing Street. It is good manners.

New Thu 7 Apr 16 18:13   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Runfer D'Hills

At least if we can ( please God ) get through this vote without a leave majority, most of those who want to leave will be dead or too gaga to vote in any future referendum on the same subject.       1

New Thu 7 Apr 16 18:22   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

At least you have an honest opinion.

New Thu 7 Apr 16 18:24   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Zero

He's a Salesman. Like the Donner, you can't be sure what you will be getting.

New Thu 7 Apr 16 18:25   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Robin O'Reliant

>> At least if we can ( please God ) get through this vote without a >> leave majority, most of those who want to leave will be dead or too gaga >> to vote in any future referendum on the same subject. >> Don't be too sure about the long term future of the EU. It could well crash and burn in the not too distant.

New Thu 7 Apr 16 18:26   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Zero

>> >> Don't be too sure about the long term future of the EU. It could well >> crash and burn in the not too distant. Didnt you say that about the Greece thing? And the Cyprus thing?

New Thu 7 Apr 16 18:24   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Haywain

"I wonder how many Labour MPs are Brexit fans? The party is certainly not unanimous in wanting to remain." Good to know they're not all stay-in fruitcakes.

New Thu 7 Apr 16 18:31   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - The Melting Snowman

We shall be voting to leave. I'm all in favour of things to boost trade (oddly that's what we voted for in the early 1970s called the EEC) but not all this political integration nonsense. It's time for a change anyway, the same is too dull and predictable.       4

New Thu 7 Apr 16 19:19   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - fluffy

Three million jobs are dependent on us remaining in the European Union.       1

New Thu 7 Apr 16 19:21   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Zero

do you have a job fluffy?

New Thu 7 Apr 16 19:23   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - NortonES2

Novelty as a determinant of the future of the UK?

New Thu 7 Apr 16 19:28   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Zero

>> all this political integration nonsense. It's time for a change anyway, the same is too >> dull and predictable. Says the man who goes to the same place every year for holiday!

New Thu 7 Apr 16 20:09   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - Dog

>>My leaflet will be readdressed to 10 Downing street and sent back unopened I was going to put our two unopened leaflets in the smallest room next to the Delsey, but I have now decided I will send them back whence they came.

New Thu 7 Apr 16 20:25   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - WillDeBeest

We're discussing the UK's international future with a man who uses a suitcase for a lav? I know they do things differently in the Wild West but my respect for Bristol Airport's baggage handlers has just shot up. May be why they have the lowest pilfering rate in the UK too.

New Thu 7 Apr 16 20:38   EU IN/OUT Referendum Thursday 23/06/16 - Volume 8 - tyrednemotional

>> We're discussing the UK's international future with a man who uses a suitcase for a >> lav? ...that conjures up a rather disturbing image....... tinyurl.com/dogbogcase (entirely safe link)