Surprising numbers here.
My take is most stay until pension time, because the pension's are good....
... and there must be plenty of places in Scotland where other job prospects are scarce, esp ones with job security, regular salary, good sick pay, etc.
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/657573/Police-crisis-800-quit-resign
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I would have thought a 2% voluntary leaving rate compared favourably with most industries.
"A Police Scotland spokesman said: “Looking at the last two full years, the turnover of police officers for the force sits around five per cent, voluntary resignations only equate to less than two per cent of the officer turnover per year. Comparatively, this is small and does not at this time give concern.â€"
Fair comment I think.
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>> Fair comment I think.
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Without knowing anything about Police Scotland bar what's in the press, I'd agree that a 2% voluntary leaving rate is not much to get worked up about.
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I agree in a bottom up organisation like the police it's not that big at all. i don't think they'd worry until it got to 10% of people leaving each year.
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>> I would have thought a 2% voluntary leaving rate compared favourably with most industries.
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>> "A Police Scotland spokesman said: “Looking at the last two full years, the turnover of
>> police officers for the force sits around five per cent, voluntary resignations only equate to
>> less than two per cent of the officer turnover per year. Comparatively, this is small
>> and does not at this time give concern.â€"
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>> Fair comment I think.
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It has been traditionally a career that many people stick with and see it through to the end, because of the variety of work available and availability of specialisms to work within, the good pay structure, good pension, camaraderie, etc.
The 2% figure doesn't include those that retire or are sacked, just those that think 'sod it, i'm off'.
When I first joined the Met, it was still in the last throes of high turnover rates, left over from days of exceptionally poor morale and poor pay. People would leave to sell insurance or something similar. Before long, it became the exact opposite and was a noticeable 'job for life' outfit.
I'm noticing the pendulum swinging the other way again.
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Working late at my Office recently I witnessed 30 plus Officers "passing out" following training. They were all young and seemingly care-free....wonder how many will last the 40 plus years of crap ahead of them.
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>> Working late at my Office recently I witnessed 30 plus Officers "passing out" following training.
>> They were all young and seemingly care-free....wonder how many will last the 40 plus years
>> of crap ahead of them.
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Not that many is my guess. Which is shortsighted IMO. It takes a while to become experienced.
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Surely what you need is a balance. Pay and conditions need to be high enough to attract the right quality of staff without a high turnover and consequent high training costs.
On the other hand wages and conditions should not be so good that you are paying over the odds and employees feel unable to leave even though they don't particularly like or are suited to the job because their pay in simply unmatchable in the outside world.
2% voluntary turnover is a rate most employers of skilled staff would be happy .
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An assistant Chief Constables retired aged 47 - after 30 years service on a final salary of £166K - so a "nice little pension".
About 1 or 2 mths later appointed new HM Inspector of Constabulary on £106K - which along with the Pension makes a nice little earner.
Was part of the "bad decisions" made by CI House and now is pointing the finger at the shortcomings of today's Police Scotland - poacher turned gamekeeper i a few mths.
Latest Enquiry
Autistic man in his 30s reported to the Police as "not being seen by neighbours" - it took 24 hrs for the Police to arrive and find a body. The story goes had they come immediately he might have been ill BUT alive.
Not as bad as M9 crash victim who lasted 5/6 days injured in a car but another issue for PS to answer maybe.
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Another cock up there this week. Concern for safety left unresourced for a few days. Guy found dead in his flat later.
www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/police-probed-over-late-discovery-of-edinburgh-man-s-body-1-4088577
There's something badly wrong. I speak and deal with Police days daily in work. Moral doesn't seem to bad amongst the troops in general. Feedback from the public seems quite positive...something in Scotland is badly off kilter...
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Sorry FB didn't see your posting.
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>>.....something in Scotland is badly off kilter...
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Strathclyde police became Police Scotland due to SNP money saving policy. They were not up to the job. Scotland is mainly rural with remote areas, stripping rural policing to the bone to maintain the urban policing they understood and mass centralisation has not worked.
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>> stripping rural policing to the bone to maintain the urban policing
You need local Policing to meet local needs, 1 size/style does not fit all.
Nightmare of paying off 1,000 civilians - then back filling with PCs.
Closing local call centres without experienced staff in new centres.
To cover for reduced budgets police stations closed/sold off. Keeping cars longer to save £££s on new ones - more maintenance required. £70million spent on Police Reporting software that does not work - should have bought something that works for ANother force and adapted it over time rather than starting to invent a new wheel.
Latest last week H&S issues as existing stations have unquantified Asbestos and no plans to deal with it.
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Niche RMS is what our local Force runs. One database for everything. Very useful for front line Officers to "know" about an address that they might be going to. Seems to be in quite a few Forces across E&W...
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Is it just me, or does the name 'Police Scotland' sound a bit menacing and thuggish? When did they change it?
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Cuddly wuddly Scottish Policesy weasey ?
I actually agree with you. Scottish Constabulary seems a lot more er...traditional...and that's fine
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They're still the Polis for anyone west of Edinburgh.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1srcTkg83c
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Yes that's what I meant; clearly there a fine line between approachable / trustworthy and the level of authority they want to assert. It just feels as if they've gone all authoritarian and unapproachable, which can't be helping their reputation?
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And more
www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/shocking-footage-shows-moment-more-7711406#mhoShbGFIRKQh8XP.97
In cases like this you normally think there are two sides to the story, and there no doubt are, but yet again PS cause a cock up and all charges dropped.
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There is a small clue in there somewhere
Sheban, who has historical convictions for assault,
this is not a glowing endorsement of Scottish Government oversight of law and order tho.
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>> but yet again PS cause a cock up and all charges
>> dropped.
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What cock up?
If an officer calls for 'urgent assistance' the whole world turns up.
The thinking is 'it could be you' next time. Perfectly normal.
I've dealt with many situations like that and you'll always have a 'richard cranium' moaning about the amount of police there... par for the course.
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>>If an officer calls for 'urgent assistance' the whole world turns up.
So we see tens of coppers turning up, all immediately fiddling with the knobs on their radios, and none could actually speak into it and say "we have enough here, don't need anyone else"
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Takeaways seem to be a good earner.
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>> So we see tens of coppers turning up, all immediately fiddling with the knobs on
>> their radios, and none could actually speak into it and say "we have enough here,
>> don't need anyone else"
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Of course.... but it takes time to establish that, meanwhile they are all coming on blues and twos, so rather a lot of people get there reasonably quickly.
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Police Scotland difficulties - CGNorwich
