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Went to see Rick Wakeman's show the other week. Excellent night out - superb musician. I was a big fan in the 70s and have some pirate tapes from that era and his "No Earthly Connection" on vinyl, which now languishes boxed with others in the garage. Reading up online when I got home - took a fancy to hearing NEC again...so toddled off to Amazon and Fleabay to have a look. Clicked to buy a CD for less than £7.00. It arrived this morning all the way from Florida ! I have to say that there was an unexpected pleasure in buying a CD as opposed to digital media downloaded. Reading the sleeve notes and unsealing it was an odd little pleasure. Put it on loud in the car as it should be....now I'll have to dig out a CD player to listen to it properly....can't remember the last time I used the HiFi !
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These days I'll generally stream anything I'm just curious about from Deezer Elite, and occasionally follow up by buying the CD - or if it's a new rock release, the LP if there is one. Classical stuff still benefits from the quiet background, so I'll still buy that on CD, but I will then create a FLAC rip on the NAS to give me the option of playing through the Sonos system.
Whether this changes will depend on the outcome of my experiments in hi-res streaming. If I find there's a significant sonic benefit to 24 bits over 16, that becomes the obvious choice for new purchases, even though there's none of the nice packaging or sleeve notes (although library management software like Roon may help with this.) And at some point I will probably swap my cheap home-made mini-PC streamer for something reassuringly expensive by Naim or Linn.
Streaming is great, though, if the quality's up to it. No adverts, no low-quality MP3s and vastly expanded musical horizons.
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I enjoy listening to my vinyl albums on my vinyl record player.
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I've seen turntables with acrylic plinths and platters, Fluffo; never seen a vinyl one. What make is yours?
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>>never seen a vinyl one. What make is yours?
Tupperware most likely.
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You'll be telling us you don't want slimline salad dressing next.
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As luck would have it, NEC isn't among the 17,000 Rick Wakeman albums (mostly live) available on Deezer. Annoying, because you've got me curious now!
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Listening to NEC now on Spotify. It's a "song" on the album "In the Nick of Time", WDB.
The thing is......
Oh, sorry, dropped off there for fifteen minutes, but it doesn't seem as if I missed anything.
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Yes, I've got that version, Cranks. (Seems to be a live show from 2003; sound quality is pretty decent.) I think RP has bought the original studio album from which it's taken:
www.allmusic.com/album/no-earthly-connection-mw0000467646
and that's the one the streaming services seem not to have.
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I have reported this message as offensive.....because I wanted to go and see him when he was nearby but couldn't make it and now you have made me jealous!
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Glad you had a good time - I think he is a real gent and always look forward to hearing him speak and play!
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>> Glad you had a good time - I think he is a real gent and
>> always look forward to hearing him speak and play!
If you have any sense, zippy, you won't do Twitter. But if you do, Rick is quite funny on there, usually burbling about falling off his bike or something.
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..and in one of those strange coincidences, Mrs C, who has no idea there has been a Wakeman thread today, has just pointed this out to me. King Arthur all the way through, live, first time since 1978. Be there or be square, next June.
www.list.co.uk/article/76277-alice-cooper-and-rick-wakeman-to-headline-stone-free-festival/
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He mentioned that this was imminent in the show I saw..
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Saw RW live at Hammersmith c1982 doing his musical version of 1984. Contractual hitches meant he didn't have all the supporting stars from the album. Think Steve Harley was there but the performer who did Julia's song was just OK, definitely not Chaka Khan's standard.
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This thread also reminded me I had a copy of Journey to the Centre of the Earth on tape. Quite badly stretched and I've no longer any decent tape playing kit (though I dare say Mrs B's old Marantz could be fettled at a price). Amazon have an RW shop so ordered the 2012 re-record narrated by Peter Egan - original narrator is deceased.
Prime delivery so should be here for Monday.
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Ah, now then. Got the original of that on vinyl, and it's a piece of work, isn't it.
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It is, as he is. Ace night out. (sorry zippy...:0 )
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You b astards! Deezer has that one. Now playing in the kitchen as I make fish pie. Undeniably impressive - sonically at least, if I do my best to ignore the cringeworthy vocals.
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Bring back the MiniDisc invented by Sony Corporation.
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Fluffy, you're not called Tay, are you?
Just wondering.
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NEC was very much of its time - and my time. And listening it yesterday rolled back the years, the lyrics are slightly...er cringeworthy but I love it. My copy is indeed the studio album.
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I have Spotify premium and many CDs but I much prefer listening to vinyl. I buy a lot of new vinyl now as well as more and more classic albums are released. At £15-£25 a pop it is expensive so I have to restrain myself.
Of course you need a decent turntable to make the most of vinyl, there is a trend for a lot of people to buy crap like Crossley's but they are not getting anything like the true vinyl sound.
The local HMV in Manchester now has about half its music section dedicated to vinyl, when I first started buying vinyl 15 years ago it was just a tiny specialist section.
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The HMV where I live has quadrupled the floor space selling vinyl records.
I have found the starting price seems a bit expensive at £18.99 a vinyl record.
The charity shops do not sell the modern artists on vinyl anymore.
I own all 13 studio albums on vinyl of The Beatles.
I also own 3 vinyl records of Nirvana.
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>>I own all 13 studio albums on vinyl of The Beatles.
All *13* ??
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13 LPs released in the UK I believe.
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>> I buy a lot of new vinyl now as well as more and more classic albums
>> are released. At £15-£25 a pop it is expensive so I have to restrain myself.
Somewhat surprised to see a vinyl section in the local Sainsburys on Friday. Not sure whether all were the same price but 'The Queen is Dead' was £12.
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For cringeworthy vinyl of the sort, may I recommend the eager audience to Steve Howe's Beginnings. It's a feat of listening to get through the whole thing for me, but I do it from time time, out of a warped sense of duty.
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Tonight's music was quite old and the medium live.
Mrs B got an alert last week that the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra and under Charles Dutoit were performing at Derngate in Northampton. Tchaikovsky and Dvorak. Top Orchestra and world class conductor in our town!!
Tchaikovsky was a short piece, Polonaise from Eugene Onegin. Not a something I could whistle but instantly recognisable as regular on Classic FM's playlist. Dvorak's Cello Concerto was I'm sure well done with an accomplished French soloist but as a piece a bit Meh.
I'd have preferred the same composer's Serenade for Strings.
After the interval though we had the real Dvorak - 9th Symphony; From the New World. A cracking performance of a lovely piece with a truly wonderful Cor Anglais doing the 'Hovis' theme bit. Dutoit ran seamlessly from third to fourth movement and suddenly it was the finale - just brilliant
Got a flyer at the end to say the RPO are doing Holst's Planets overlaid with HD projection of NASA images at both Derngate and Symphony Hall in Brum during June. Which venue to choose?
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Good man down there.....I have three faourite short pieces and one of them is the Eugene Onegin, another is Glinka's Ruslein and Ludmilla.
I think you may enjoy the third...with the benefit of video.....only 250 seconds of delight.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sb7gp98wAc
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No idea what became of Ruslan or Ludmilla - probably wasn't good - but the opening bars make me grin because of the Cabin Pressure association.
And sorry, Bromp, but the Cello Concerto spanks the New World Symphony. And almost everything else, at least in the hands of Rostropovich.
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How old must Dutoit be now? R3 the other week reviewed Decca's enormous box set of his Montreal recordings, many from 40ish years ago.
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>> How old must Dutoit be now?
Bit older than me I thought watching him, maybe mid sixties? But then all that stuff in Montreal.
According to Wiki he's 79. If I can move half that well in 23yrs time....
I've got him on CD doing Holst's planets and another favourite, Respighi's Pines of Rome. Both pieces I'd previously found lacking on budget recordings.
You can almost see the Legionnaires marching under the Pines on the Appian Way......
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>> Classic FM's playlist.
Genuine question from someone who has very little interest in classical music. Why do people listen to Classic FM over Radio 3? Mrs A sometimes makes us suffer Classic FM in the car, seems like it's full of repetition, clichéd TV music and adverts to me. Heart FM for the classical scene.
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Quite like it. Doesn't take itself too seriously and not really aimed at the really knowledgeable classic music enthusiast which is Radio 3's market.
Nice variety of popular and not so well know music, News bulletins just right for motorway driving.
I like Jazz FM too which is currently being broadcast on DAB experimentally in my area
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I think you've just answered your own question. CFM when it began used the slogan 'The world's most beautiful music', as if all that mattered was the surface gloss. You'll hear a lot about 'relaxing classics' and the like.
Now there is classical music that undoubtedly beautiful, but if that's all you want there's lots and lots of Mantovani. A CFM favourite is Mahler's Symphony no5, but they'll only give you the fourth movement (of five), which is Mahler's lushly-scored (strings and harp only) wordless love song to his wife. It is truly ravishing, but poignant too, given that their relationship was far from symmetrical. And yet this tranquil episode is bracketed by some of the most violent, distorted and simply terrifying music in the whole orchestral repertoire. But that's not really 'beautiful' enough for CFM listeners; might make them spill their cocoa.
I suppose there are parallels in all art forms: Vettriano is easier to look at on the dining room wall than Mapplethorpe, for example.
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Meant to add: Radio 3 can be seriously hard work - as with the Stockhausen and Boulez that Cranks mentioned the other week. It can be best - and most educational - when it's discussing music rather than simply playing it. Saturday morning's newly-re-renamed Record Review (it was Record Review for decades, then CD Review, now RR again) is a good place to start.
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Classic FM is fine and I would hate to see it disappear - there are no similar alternatives that I know of. It does mainly popular, or pleasantly lyrical stuff in smaller bites and you hear the same pieces repeated if you listen regularly. The soporific links and stings sometimes get on my nerves after a while though, and the adverts, although they are a necessary evil for a commercial station.
I tend to try Classic in the car when there's nothing good on Radio 4 or Radio 2.
Radio 3 is also unique in a different way - I'm listening now to R3, composer of the week (Vaughan Williams). There's more background with it, no adverts. Information is presented in a relaxed but serious style rather than the chummier Classic FM style. To be fair (see WdB's comments) R3 also features excerpts from longer works in feature programmes like this.
In the car though, it's usually Classic that wins because it is very compressed. They played Ravel's Bolero on Monday night when I was coming home from Cambridge; I know that if I play that on CD in the car it is unlistenable without constant volume adjustment, but on Classic I never touched the volume which seemed pretty level all the way through - anybody who knows that piece, unless it's just from hearing it on Classic, will know how unrealistic that is.
Radio 3 AFAIK still uses no compression at all, including on digital streams, if it does it's much less and not noticeable to me. In a car, or even a kitchen with an extractor on the quiet bits become inaudible.
For sitting in a quiet room and getting immersed, Radio 3 is best subject to what's on of course. Classic is probably better designed for the car or casual listening.
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>> In the car though, it's usually Classic that wins because it is very compressed. They
>> played Ravel's Bolero on Monday night when I was coming home from Cambridge
Ah, memories of '10'...
I remember many years back heading off to work on a Sunday afternoon, and the (now departed) classic show came on local radio. Whacked the volume up loud when they played an adult choral version of Blue Danube. Roof off, foot down!
I'm trying to find the link of the chap who was blooting along when Von Suppe's Light Cavalry came on the radio. He got nicked at 90mph+, and his excuse, that he was 'giving the horse its head' didn't stand up in court, for some treason!
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>> Why do people listen to Classic FM over Radio 3?
Why does anyone listen to classical music?
Drives me barmy. "Music to slash your wrists to" as a colleague of mine describes it. I more than agree with him.
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So what do you like then? Can't really see how you can dislike all classical music as it comprises such a wide spectrum
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>> So what do you like then? Can't really see how you can dislike all classical music as it comprises such a wide spectrum
Quite. I'm a philistine, but Wagner is easy... try the Pilgrims' Chorus from Tannhäuser.
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Ah yes, Tannhäuser, the classic story of boy meets girl, boy tires of waiting for girl, boy runs off to live with goddess in underground sex grotto, boy leaves goddess to compete in talent show in hope of impressing girl, boy misjudges audience and causes outrage by singing about goddess's bedtime treats, boy is banished to Rome to beg forgiveness from Pope, Pope says it's a no from him, boy returns crestfallen to find girl dead, boy throws it all in to go back to sex grotto, boy dies, news arrives from Rome that Pope really meant to say yes, curtain.
Probably all a bit everyday for you, though, VF.
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Green thumb for the amusing synopsis, and of course, because that's pretty much exactly what happened to me this weekend, interspersed with a trip to Tesco.
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>>that's pretty much exactly what happened to me this weekend, interspersed with a trip to Tesco.
...apart from dying?
(The trip to Tesco doesn't count).
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Just an everyday tale of Berkshire folk
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Indeed, a major archaeological project at Reading Abbey/Gaol is about to start, which will hopefully reveal more juicy details, along with the tomb of King Henry I.
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>> So what do you like then?
Mostly pop, & some rock. Not the modern stuff (last 5 years) though.
>> Can't really see how you can dislike all classical music as it comprises such a wide spectrum
99.9% of what those classical music stations play, I can't stand. I'm not prepared to listen to it for the 0.1% of stuff I might enjoy.
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>>Why does anyone listen to classical music?
>>Drives me barmy. "Music to slash your wrists to" as a colleague of mine describes it. I more than agree with him.
Maybe you'd be better orf listening to Leonard Cohen.
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>> Maybe you'd be better orf listening to Leonard Cohen
Who he?
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>> >> Maybe you'd be better orf listening to Leonard Cohen
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>> Who he?
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Remember that song Hallelujah, which Simon Cowell's bunch of performing clowns tore to bits a few years back?
Well, he wrote that...
But you don't really care for music, do ya?
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Mark, having already been pummeled for posting NTNON 'I'd like to buy a gramophone' quotes on this thread, tis the least I can do...
The youth of today.
I DO NOT WANT STUPID THINGS LIKE WOOFERS AND TWEETERS!
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>> One-of my faves: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX0CfFdk-jw
No, not my cup of tea at all.
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I dare say THIS is your sort of thing: www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyoTvgPn0rU
:}
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>> I dare say THIS is your sort of thing:
Actually you're not too far wrong. I used to like Frankie (no, not in that way)
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>> >> Classic FM's playlist.
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>> Genuine question from someone who has very little interest in classical music. Why do people
>> listen to Classic FM over Radio 3?
Mostly have it on for a bit of background at home. Smooth Classics at Seven while we eat, but probably not for the whole hour. Sometime the 'full works' concert but the regular presenters voice grates a bit.
In the car, I'll put it on to fill a gap in Radios 4 and 5, particularly if there's nothing worthwhile on Radio 2 at the time.
Always been the odd programme I enjoy though. David Mellor's Sunday Night show which usually has a theme is a current favourite. Years ago there used to be something called Classical Gas which focussed on esoteric uses of classical themes and similar 'fun stuff'.
Ought to listen to Radio 3 more but I'd need to get to understand the schedule and plan listening around the content I wanted to here. This week's Vaughan Williams would be a case in point.
I'm particularly keen on the music of VW's contemporary and pupil George Butterworth. One hopes GB will get some welcome exposure this year - 100 years after he died on the Somme.
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>> David Mellor
Hell's teeth. He's still allowed on the airwaves?
If ever there was a voice/person to trigger a gun rampage ending with shooting myself in the face.............
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>> If ever there was a voice/person to trigger a gun rampage ending with shooting myself
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You'd be a admirer of his had the kit been black and white.
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Great quote from Rory Bremner over his Chelsea kit, circa 1991 on HIGNFY.
Angus: Was he pulled off at halftime?
Rory: No, he just changed ends.
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>> You'd be a admirer of his had the kit been black and white.
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He used to wear black and white, and used to write for our matchday programme.
Then he suddenly changed colour to blue for some reason. Some kind of local wind change occurred.....
This sorry tale is indeed part of the reason I hold him in such low regard.
But let's face it, one is not short of options when it comes to criticising Mr Mellor.
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Rick Wakeman - Grumpy Old Rock Star.
Available at all good bookshops, and a cracking read.
Includes a chapter 'The police were quite good about it...'
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Whats next after C.D.s and music streaming.
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Do you want a bag on your head?
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From the classic 'gramophone' sketch on Not the Nine O'Clock News...
So whoever rated it as 'offensive' can get knotted.
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What about the audio compact cassette invented by Philips Electronic.
I read in the Daily Mail that the cassette is making a comeback.
Although Sony stopped making cassette decks and walkmans for the cassette tape in 2010, Philips still make cassette decks and walkmans.
I notices on Amazon that JVC make a cassette walkman for under £20.
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Fluffo, you've tried this line before. Nobody's interested in cassette or minidisc because one outlived its usefulness and the other never had any. Move along now, nothing to discuss.
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Thanks for your advise and point of view.
At least vinyl is making a genuine comeback.
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On Friday Amazon had an offer on for Sandisk Extreme 64GB Micro SD cards (U3 speed). They were £15.99. When I was a student travelling from/to Manchester to/from South Wales I used to have to pick a handful of cassettes to take with me. With a single Micro SD card, I could all the music I own that I could possibly want with me. How many cassettes might that take? And what about the space/cost?
I know this is likely another windup.
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Yep, Almost 2% of sales. It's an old blokes trying to relive the seventies thing.
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Cassette tapes are were and will always be fragile, have poor sound reproduction, require oodles of electronics to iron out hiss, they wow and flutter like wowing fluttering things and crap. Get reaf fluffy !
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>> Cassette tapes are were and will always be fragile, have poor sound reproduction, require oodles
>> of electronics to iron out hiss, they wow and flutter like wowing fluttering things and
>> crap. Get reaf fluffy !
By the end, cassettes and recorders/players were really quite good. The quality was sacrificed in the design for size and convenience so the tape was too narrow and the speed too low, but years of development largely overcame that.
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Don't confuse market share with quality or utility, CGN. That's what Victorbox, late of this parish, used to do with his preferred make of car. You're looking at the mass music market, dominated by lo-fi MP3 downloads, and nobody makes a serious buying decision between one of those to play on a phone and an £18 LP requiring expensive playback equipment.
MP3 is a convenience product, as cassette was in its day - and minidisc would have been if it had ever had a day. We all - me included - use it for convenience. But - surprisingly perhaps - the format I use least these days is CD.
So to answer one of Fluffo's questions, what comes after CD is streaming. I think that's the end game, with ever-improving bandwidth and pervasive delivery technology. It's hard to improve on music on demand. It's a great time to be a music lover.
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But harking back to the day of the compact cassette, what's stopping you recording an MP3 version of tracks streamed from Spotify? Nothing. So the price needs to reflect the convenience of having access to everything you might want to listen to. Favourites can be made available for offline.
I got 6 months of Spotify when I got my last renewed upgrade on the phone contract (SIM only but similar price but more). I'm not sure I listen to music often enough to justify £9.99 a month. I rarely drive in the car on long journeys to listen to what I already know I like.
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I do not use spotify. I listen to vinyl or C.D.s.
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What do you listen to on the bus?
Modern inventions are all about convenience, which is why they are popular.
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what's stopping you recording an MP3 version of tracks streamed from Spotify?
Unless Spotify works differently from the services I've used, you'd have to go through an analogue stage and then convert back to digital to make a permanent copy. Deezer, Qobuz and Pure Music all allow you to keep a temporary offline copy on a device - to listen to in the car, for example - but the file is stored in a locked area and can't be copied off the device.
If I wanted to create a permanent copy, I'd have to play the analogue output into a sound interface like my iMic, record at 1:1 speed on a PC, then edit the tracks and save as individual MP3 files. I've done this for some of my LPs but it's a faff and - unless I especially want the music on my iPod Classic - the Deezer download method renders it obsolete.
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Yes you'd have to capture the analogue stream and convert back to MP3. So will lose some quality. The quality of the Spotify stream won't be as good as you are used to listening anyway, or so I imagine.
Yes it would be a faff.
But so far I've not discovered enough music that would make me continue with it after the free bit.
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From previous comments here, it would appear that the standard oo-aar jim lad sites which I use are not available in the UK?
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>> From previous comments here, it would appear that the standard oo-aar jim lad sites which
>> I use are not available in the UK?
Oooo aaaaar yous just need the right map me lad.
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I'm in two minds about being a buccaneer... one says 'hey, I bought that on LP, CD or cassette, so the artist got his shekels', but the other side says 'Ok, I'll give this chap a try, and if it is any good, I'll buy it...'
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Sometimes its an easy choice when its established stars acting like spoiled brats.
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>> Sometimes its an easy choice when its established stars acting like spoiled brats.
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Spoke to a few chaps about this.
(Beware of namedropping here!)
Don Henley said he was more concerned about the industry as a whole, rather than himself.
Justin Hayward said he couldn't stop it, but also pointed out that 'honest' buyers on amazon etc helped them, as the 'people who have bought this also bought...'led to more sales.
In fact, he tells of being in a hotel in the far east whre they were playing 'nights in white satin' in the lifts on panpipes... but resolved that as much as he hated it, he'd get a few pennies for it.
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>> (Beware of namedropping here!)
Don Henley? Justin Hayward? Who they FFS?
There are times when ignorance really is bliss...
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>> Don Henley? Justin Hayward? Who they FFS?
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Google is your friend, granddad!
Justin Hayward is famous for flattening people's batteries when they play War of the Worlds too loud.
Don Henley? Well, you can check out any time you want.
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>> Justin Hayward is famous for flattening people's batteries when they play War of the Worlds
>> too loud.
And the annoying nerffing thing is I paid for that copy.
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>> And the annoying nerffing thing is I paid for that copy.
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It seems totally incredible to me now that everyone spent that evening as though it were just like any other.
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>> Justin Hayward is famous for flattening people's batteries when they play War of the Worlds
>> too loud.
....he could have told Mrs Z that (Thinking is) The Best Way to Travel, anyway ;-)
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Large chunks have been cut from the bottom of this thread
About the time Dave got home from work. Around 19:07 the thread got chopped.
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I get home around 2 hours before that.
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but you dont deny chopping it.
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What's the point. You won't believe me anyway.
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My comments on War of the Worlds went for a ... Burton.
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I enjoy listening to YES and Emersen Lake and Palmer.
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What do you reckon to this deck fluffers (I can get it for £199)
www.richersounds.com/product/turntables/denon/dp300/deno-dp300-blk
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I bought my deck in H.M.V. for £79.
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I bought my deck in H.M.V. for £79.
Then it's crap. You'd get better sound from a CD player at that price.
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A His Masters Voice record player for £79. What's that connected to that's not equally poor quality?
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Emerson.
Oh, what a lucky man he was.
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I like YES too Fluffy. I think they are good. I am glad you think they are good too. I went to see YES in concert once. They were good. Have you seen them in concert too like I have?
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No but I wish I did.
YES are awsome.
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Do you like the early albums or the later? They are very different to my ear.
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I have all The Beatles albums on vinyl.
I have 13 studio albums of The Beatles.
I also have the Jazz album by Miles Davis.
It is Nirvana that is my favourite band of all time.
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I tried.
Sorry, Fluffy/Fluffbot, I don't think I can talk sensibly about Nirvana. Only about Yes.
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You cannot deny what Kurt Cobain tried to do.
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He succeeded didn't he?
Mind you he could hardly miss at that range.
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My favourite Nirvana song was, " Come as you Are "
A defining moment in 1990s genre.
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This is an interesting new take on a classic. Needs headphones or decent speakers though...
m.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4
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Risky to cover certain songs or certain artists - that was a risk worth taking, better than the original...
7 million hits before Radio 2 found it though
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An interesting version. Better before it gets all shouty at the end
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I like to drink tea while listening to YES. The tea goes in my mouth and the music goes in my ear.
Do you like tea, Crankcase? I like Assam tea. My favourite tea is Ceylon.
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Ah, now, WDB, not my scowly, of course, but I dursent play no more, fun though it might be.
My post, as you clearly surmised, was an experiment, borne out of experience in talking to chat bots, so the language used was meant to see if that was the type of response I got back. I'm inclined to think there is some element of that involved.
The problem is, of course, that if F is a person with (and I'm not Lygonos) an autistic issue of some description, then my post could come over (at least to others) as pretty passive aggressive. And if that is the case, F, then apologies.
If however it's a prank, it's a bit tedious now.
I'm not prepared to jump on the aggressive bullying bandwagon though whichever of those three it might be, and I wish others wouldn't do it either.
Oh, and WDB? Why, mazawattee of course.
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Old music new or old media ? - WillDeBeest
