Come on England we can win the Euro 2016.
I have every confidence in England.
Come on England.
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We can't, we wont, and we never will while the premier league mostly consists of european and african imports.
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We can't, we won't, and we never will while playing in the premier league is more important to the players than playing for their country.
p.s. Obviously I mean "you/England" but since there is more chance of hell freezing over and Slough becoming a nice place than of Wales doing anything significant in soccer, I tend to support England in such matters
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Don't know, don't care. Go away and take your silly shaped ball with you.
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Oval balls are better! (Swinging Low, of course).
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>> Obviously I mean "you/England" but since there is more chance of hell freezing over
>> and Slough becoming a nice place than of Wales doing anything significant in soccer, I
>> tend to support England in such matters
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Obviously you're entitled to do as you please NF, but that approach is alien to me and most sports fans I know. I think one should accept that teams choose the supporter and not vice-versa. If we all took that approach, there would be no teams other than Man U, Man City and Leicester City left. Chaps I know who have followed the Welsh national football team for decades are now enjoying their moment of success, and it means far more to them than it ever could for a Man U/Arsenal etc fan to see yet another cup win of some kind. I think it's the glory hunters who miss out, not those who stick with their lesser teams.
As for the original question, no I don't think England will win it, sadly. Much as I admire and respect Roy Hodgson, arguably the greatest former manager of the football club I support, he has stated that he will choose his squad not on form but on long term reputation. I think that's a mistake, however I also accept Roy knows a darned sight more than me and I hope to be proven wrong.
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>>but that approach is alien to me and most sports fans I know
Ok. But i would be a bit lost at a World Cup with nobody to support, even in the early stages! Quite obviously if Wales are there, I am supporting Wales, but lets be honest - its soccer. If Wales are not there, I support England - which is usual.
Each to their own, I guess.
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Ok, fair dos. I don't find I need a particular team to support at a World Cup, which is just as well these days being a Scotland follower. I just enjoy the matches and the spectacle. I'd like to see England do well this time and will cheer them on, but I'm not very hopeful. Wales are a one-man team and that will only get them so far 9i.e. not very). Norn Iron might be fun to watch.
Actually, having my own team in a tournament somewhat ruins the enjoyment for me as I get all stressed about it. Much more pleasant being a neutral.
It's a weird affliction, I freely admit.
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I've got a three way bet on the Euros. Born in Ireland, spent most of my life in England and now live in Wales.
Not that it'll do me much good, I fear.
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>> It's a weird affliction, I freely admit.
Not really, that's exactly why I don't really support a particular Premier League team.
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What is a 'Premier League'? I think I knew one once but the old memory is getting hazy. Soon I shall become intimately familiar with a 'League One'. I seem to recall that was once called 'Division 3' when football made sense.
:-(
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Supporting a team is mostly heartbreak grief and hassle.
Sometimes however it's an atmosphere like nothing seen or experienced elsewhere.
A heaving Upton Park. Last game under floodlights before it gets pulled down, FA cup 1/4 final against Man Utd is going to be one of them.
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Yeah, that'll be good. It's hard to imagine the Olympic stadium reproducing such an atmosphere, but I hope for your sake it does.
Memories of watching Fulham beat mighty Juventus 4-1 at Craven Cottage, knocking them out of the Europa League. You just can't buy that sort of thing. Total bolt out of the blue stuff. Mostly it's been crap, supporting that club, but occasionally the one shining moment makes it all worthwhile.
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>> Yeah, that'll be good. It's hard to imagine the Olympic stadium reproducing such an atmosphere, but I hope for your sake it does.
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I would have no worries on that score. It's the fans make the atmosphere, not the stadium. The old Wembley was a case in point, vast arena with a running track round the pitch it could feel like a graveyard when watching a minor England friendly. England v Scotland, any match involving West Ham, Liverpool or Tottenham to name but three and the place would be buzzing.
a***nal on the other hand, and Chelsea at least when I used to go there with West Ham were always a bit dead no matter how full the ground. The fans who follow those clubs just aren't that type, whatever stadium they play at.
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I dunno mate. There's no doubt a lot in what you say, but Highbury had more of a buzz than the Emirates ever will, same group of fans. Craven Cottage is mostly a poor atmosphere unless someone with lively fans is visiting as our fans are not exactly the most vociferous, but sometimes we can go chicken oriental, and when we do I think the atmosphere is lifted and enhanced by the surroundings, more so than it would be if we played somewhere like the Madejski. Actually, there's another example. Elm Park was noisy and fun, Madejski atmosphere is always more muted, even though residence there has coincided with the club's most successful period historically.
All sorts of things going on I suppose, not really saying I'm-right-you're-wrong. Lots of stuff at play but my feeling is that West Ham's new ground will never be as atmospheric or enjoyable as the old. Like I say though, hope I'm wrong. Proof of the pudding will be in the eating.
Either way, hope you stuff Man U.
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The move from the claustrophobic Upton Park to the OS is the transition from a club for fans, to a corporate entity. It won't ever be the same
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I agree, I think it's just too big. If they manage to fill it, there will be large numbers of tourists in amongst the noisy old guard, and that will dilute the atmosphere. It will never be full of old-style supporters so doesn't compare to the old Wembley. When that was full under the circumstances ROR describes, it wasn't full of corporate junkets and tourists. I have a feeling the OS will suffer.
Would I want Fulham in the Premier at the OS or similar, or Fulham in the third division at Craven Cottage? The latter. Which is just as well, given current circumstances.
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I still think England can do well against any European team.
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"I still think England can do well against any European team."
They could if they introduced 4 or 5 players from Leicester City.
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Fitbal is one of the many things in my zone of almost total ignorance.
I've wondered though how a high performing club team would compare with a side - who have to function as a team - selected from a squad of "superior" players assembled for a competition.
Somebody should do that experiment if they haven't.
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I have never understood the logic of a England team.
We should have one national G.B. team Scots and Wales plus N Ireland included.Do I need a passport to go to Scotland or Wales? No.So Schengen works in the UK.Just a thought.
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Showing my ignorance here but I had no idea West Ham were moving grounds. To an Olympic stadium? Sounds crazy but presume commercial interests won out. The first team I supported ( as a 6 yo) was Bradford Park Avenue. When they were relegated from Div 4 my loyalties were Burnley & Huddersfield. Then Leeds in the glory years.
Then work & girls and consequently never got back into watching football. I really don't give a stuff about the euros/ World Cup but suppose it's good for the country if they do well.
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>> Fitbal is one of the many things in my zone of almost total ignorance.
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>> I've wondered though how a high performing club team would compare with a side -
>> who have to function as a team - selected from a squad of "superior" players
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Most Premier League teams would give England a run for their money, the top ones would probably beat them. Bearing in mind that club teams now are stuffed with internationals from other countries and the quality of English players is not particularly high.
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..... and as I've said before how can a team carrying the name of a particular town, or city, engender local pride/loyalty/fandom when most of its players are "from away" (some VERY far away)?
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>> ..... and as I've said before how can a team carrying the name of a
>> particular town, or city, engender local pride/loyalty/fandom when most of its players are "from away" (some VERY far away)?
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It was ever thus. Many of the players in teams of years ago came from all over the British Isles and the other end of the land. But the club stays firmly rooted in it's local.
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"It was ever thus."
Very true, RoR. I remember, a few years ago when we lived in a Suffolk village, one of the locals making the case for more housing by saying that none of the football team (Sunday league) were born/now lived in the village.
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>> Most Premier League teams would give England a run for their money, the top ones
>> would probably beat them. Bearing in mind that club teams now are stuffed with internationals
>> from other countries and the quality of English players is not particularly high.
I stupidly hadn't considered that point...I was thinking of the "team" aspect...11 people who play together infrequently if at all must give a lot away to a squad that has mostly played together for a year or two?
Academic I suppose, since they can't just field Leicester in the World Cup for the reason you state (and a few others, no doubt).
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>> They could if they introduced 4 or 5 players from Leicester City.
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2 or 3 to go:
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35830914
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I must have a gene missing or something. I like sport, l like to take part in sport, I don't mind watching sport, but if I'm not actually personally playing or participating I couldn't care less who wins. Not that I don't enjoy watching someone who is very good at something being very good at it, just that I don't quite get the thing about caring which team or individual wins if I'm only a spectator.
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You mean if it's Jolly Jocks playing Scowling Brown Savages you won't have a teeny bit of preference?
Ghastly pernicious stuff, sport. Bad for the character.
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Not majorly AC, certainly not enough to want to shout obscenities at anyone.
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>> certainly not enough to want to shout obscenities at anyone.
No, you keep that for serious occasions I agree.
But you have to remember these cats get excited, drink beer and frankly don't have our advantages Humph. 'They don't know any better where they come from sir,' as a copper once observed sardonically to me hoping I would shut up or go away.
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I'm with you on that one Runfer.Participating is what it is all about.The fanatism on the stands in football grounds is something strange.It is like a Heil Hitler rally we are all in this together.>;)
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Crowd behaviour is at once fascinating and disturbing to behold. Mass hypnosis of a kind perhaps.
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I used to live near a***nal Stadium, a vast trumpet-shaped stand pointing into the sky.
I still remember the colossal whisper of WHAAAAAH! to greet goals, screw-ups and so on on the pitch, which you could hear particularly well from our lavatory window after a few at lunch time...
Quite a few years ago that was. The caravan lady lived just round the corner.
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"I still remember the colossal whisper of WHAAAAAH! to greet goals,"
I live not far from Carrow Road where Norwich City play. Don't have that problem.
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>> "I still remember the colossal whisper of WHAAAAAH! to greet goals,"
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Indeed. Only been 15 Whaaaaahs so far this season.
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>>Can England football team win Euro 2016?
No!
& before you say it I think it is because the English football I watch, & thoroughly enjoy, on SKY is wholly dependent on foreign talent.
In the dim & distant past there was a rule of 3 foreign players maximum. I am sure their must be a "3 diddys rule" now.
Individually English players are good but not good enough as a team to go all the way.
To win you need the "Leicester Effect" - the team has to be better than the sum of the parts.
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AC, when you say 'caravan lady' were you referring to Pat?
Or that lady who lived in a van? I hope it was a high roof van, unless she was vertically challenged.
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Bedford Dormobile type thing wasn't it?
I'll know tomorrow, we're going to watch the fillum at the village hall.
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TRAMPS ( the Ribblesdale area moving picture show) are screening it just up the road from me, in Clapham church, next month. Local rag says that AB will be present... I think he has a home in the village, possibly his parents house where they lived when they moved there from Leeds.
I used to see him quite a lot when I was dog walking around Clapham & Austwick, and always had a chat when he called in to my place of work. Nice enough bloke.
Impressive thread drift....
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>> Local rag says that AB will be present...
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Who is AB?
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>> Who is AB?
Alan Bennett, writer of 'The Lady in the Van'.
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>> TRAMPS ( the Ribblesdale area moving picture show)
Similar here, 'flicks in the sticks' they call it, based somewhere in the Marches I think.
There's a bar, and they stop the film halfway through for top ups and bring snacks round. All very sociable and tops up the village hall sinking fund.
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"To win you need the "Leicester Effect" - the team has to be better than the sum of the parts."
Very true - it's a classic case of the 'team' effect. The same thing happens in music - it happened with the Beatles. Whenever a so-called 'supergroup' was created, there was usually a clash of egos, and the thing didn't last for long.
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>> "To win you need the "Leicester Effect" - the team has to be better than
>> the sum of the parts."
The Leicester effect is subtly different. The team is better (than people thought it was) than the sum of its parts.
And there is the key, wholly underestimated. For the first 10 games none of the other clubs knew what they were facing. Then the confidence in the team builds and they are better than the first 10 games, so bingo for half the season no other team appreciated what they were up against.
2nd season syndrome will be interesting.
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"And there is the key, wholly underestimated."
Quite - the Beatles were rejected by Decca.
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>> 2nd season syndrome will be interesting.
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Regrettably, I have to agree. See Hull City for a classic example; or Nottingham Forest/Derby County in the Brian Clough era.
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"2nd season syndrome will be interesting."
All part of the roller-coaster of following a footy team; it happens at all levels. I've watched my local team go from non-league step 5 to 4 to 3, and back to 4 where they're having a tough time. I'd be bored to tears watching a wealthy premier league side like Man U/Chelski/etc.
I am both a member and a season-ticket holder and I refer to myself as 'supporter' rather than a 'fan'. I take 'fan' to be an abbreviation of 'fanatic', and I don't get fanatical about anything, these days.
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>> 2nd season syndrome will be interesting.
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There are still eight games to go so plenty of time for a wobble. It will be interesting to see how they cope now they've gone from being brave underdogs and everybody's darlings to the situation where losing it would be seen as a disaster and really hurt.
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>> >> There are still eight games to go so plenty of time for a wobble. It
>> will be interesting to see how they cope now they've gone from being brave underdogs
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Newcastle Syndrome.
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>> Newcastle Syndrome.
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Don't think so. Leicester's last hit at anything approaching dominance was the 1969 FA Cup final which they lost 1-0 to Manchester City, and were also relegated to what was then Division 2. They did win the Charity Shield in 71 because a***nal couldn't play it due to European commitments (sound familiar?) but since then they've not really achieved much. Newcastle on the other hand were THE team for some years in the late 20th century.
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Huh? I don't remember them winning anything in the late 20th century. Sadly, Liverpool were THE team of the late 20th century, with a very late show from Man U and a few bizarre cameos from Nottingham Forest and Aston Villa, not to mention a small slice of dominance from Leeds Utd. Derby fans need not attempt to add their name to this list.
By 'Newcastle Syndrome' I merely meant to equate the hypothetical failure of Leicester to win the league this year with Newcastle's Kevin Keegan managed 'I'd love it' season. Of course, Newcastle's failure is the bigger one (not that Leicester have failed yet), because they led by, what was it, 12 points at one stage?
Historically, of course, I realise that Newcastle are a bigger club than Leicester, whatever 'bigger' means.
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How much longer will Wenger continue at Arsenal? I like the guy but he seems to be becoming increasingly unpopular, albeit I only know what I read in the press.
Because no matter how much Ranieiri says he will stay at Leicester, there must be jobs you just couldn't turn down. And they might suit each other.
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>> How much longer will Wenger continue at Arsenal? I like the guy but he seems
>> to be becoming increasingly unpopular, albeit I only know what I read in the press.
I dont know why Wenger is so disliked, He provides Silverware and european football more or less every season, with not much money provided to him by the board, and a lot of money to the owners.
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I agree. Great financial management, restricted budget and pretty consistent results.
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>> How much longer will Wenger continue at Arsenal? I like the guy but he seems
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Unpopular with the spoilt brats who think their particular club has an entitlement to win all the top trophies on a regular basis. If the Gooners fans put down their prawn sandwiches and started making some vocal noises in support of their team they might inspire them to play with a bit more passion. The Emirates can resemble a graveyard on a quiet night.
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Wenger is French isn't he.
It's just silly thuggish north london francophobia. Perhaps mere robust badinage. I bet most of them love him really.
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"2 or 3 to go:"
Kante has been called up as well .......... but for the French squad.
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At the moment there is one from Leicester City in the England team
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"At the moment there is one from Leicester City in the England team"
That is correct, Fluff, I cannot fault your maths.
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Can England football team win Euro 2016? - Zero
