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Thread Author: Old Navy	Replies: 51

New Sat 10 Oct 15 17:40   Syrian escalation. - Old Navy

The media are reporting that Turkish forces have shot down a Russian aircraft in their airspace. NATO could get sucked into this big time. Last edited by: Old Navy on Sat 10 Oct 15 at 17:42 Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 17:46   Syrian escalation. - Zero

The turks have warned the ruskies about this several times, and they have just found out (unlike most of western europe) they don't muck about. Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Sat 10 Oct 15 17:49   Syrian escalation. - Old Navy

A bit like messing with Israel, not a good plan. Last edited by: Old Navy on Sat 10 Oct 15 at 17:50 Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 17:56   Syrian escalation. - Cliff Pope

One quality the Russians have always had is knowing just how far to go, when to push their luck, when to back down having made their point or achieved their end. The west, floundering in moral mud, innocently wade in until their boots overflow. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 18:23   Syrian escalation. - sooty123

>> One quality the Russians have always had is knowing just how far to go, when >> to push their luck, when to back down having made their point or achieved their >> end. >> >> The west, floundering in moral mud, innocently wade in until their boots overflow. >> They are more than capable of ending up in the mud, several wars in chechnya spring to mind. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 11 Oct 15 09:52   Syrian escalation. - Cliff Pope

>> They are more than capable of ending up in the mud, several wars in chechnya >> spring to mind. >> But they are not moralising about it, and not trying to test the west's position. No one is interested in Chechnya. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 11 Oct 15 10:54   Syrian escalation. - sooty123

I'm sure not, but the point stands they are more than capable of ending up biting off more than they can chew. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 19:17   Syrian escalation. - Dog

>>A bit like messing with Israel, not a good plan. Especially if you happen to be a 12 year old child: uk.reuters.com/article/2015/10/10/uk-israel-palestinians-violence-idUKKCN0S30NR20151010 Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 19:40   Syrian escalation. - Old Navy

>> Especially if you happen to be a 12 year old child: >> I blame the parents. If you don't want your kid shot don't let them throw rocks at police or soldiers. Last edited by: Old Navy on Sat 10 Oct 15 at 19:42 Reply to this message | Report message       3

New Sat 10 Oct 15 20:12   Syrian escalation. - Bromptonaut

>> I blame the parents. If you don't want your kid shot don't let them throw >> rocks at police or soldiers. So you do what? Teach your kids that being oppressed is fine and dandy? Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Sat 10 Oct 15 20:16   Syrian escalation. - Westpig

>> So you do what? Teach your kids that being oppressed is fine and dandy? >> Go and do something yourself if you feel that way... not send or allow your kids out. Most places nurture children. Reply to this message | Report message       3

New Sat 10 Oct 15 20:20   Syrian escalation. - sooty123

>> Go and do something yourself if you feel that way... not send or allow your >> kids out. Most places nurture children. >> What if they go to school? Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 20:24   Syrian escalation. - CGNorwich

Yes they should all be down at the local Youth Club, engaging in approved after school activities or doing their homework. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 20:27   Syrian escalation. - Zero

>> I blame the parents. If you don't want your kid shot don't let them throw >> rocks at police or soldiers. Chances are the parents have been killed or interned by the IDF. Chances are their home has been bulldozed to make room for israeli squatters. Chances are a heavily armed and shielded IDF soldier is going to be really hurt by a small rock. Shoot the rock throwers anyway tho. Last edited by: Zero on Sat 10 Oct 15 at 20:28 Reply to this message | Report message       2

New Sat 10 Oct 15 20:31   Syrian escalation. - Bromptonaut

>> Chances are the parents have been killed or interned by the IDF. Chances are their >> home has been bulldozed to make room for israeli squatters. Thanks Z, saved me making same point to WP. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 20:57   Syrian escalation. - No FM2R

Been there Bromp? I have, albeit not for a while. A child without parents will be too busy supporting himself and far too smart to chuck rocks at anyone with a gun. The children chucking the rocks were probably following examples, and almost certainly had nothing pressing to do - like searching for food. Which is not to make comment about the rights or wrongs, simply that parents were probably in the picture. Last edited by: No FM2R on Sat 10 Oct 15 at 20:58 Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Sat 10 Oct 15 21:02   Syrian escalation. - Old Navy

>> Been there Bromp? I have, albeit not for a while. >> I have not been there for many years but little has changed, kids with time to throw rocks have support from somewhere. Reply to this message | Report message       2

New Sat 10 Oct 15 21:02   Syrian escalation. - Zero

>> Which is not to make comment about the rights or wrongs, simply that parents were >> probably in the picture. We'll just have to settle for "chucking rocks at an illegal army of occupation" then. Reply to this message | Report message       2

New Sat 10 Oct 15 23:12   Syrian escalation. - Westpig

>> Chances are the parents have been killed or interned by the IDF. Chances are their >> home has been bulldozed to make room for israeli squatters. Chances are a heavily armed >> and shielded IDF soldier is going to be really hurt by a small rock. Shoot >> the rock throwers anyway tho. >> I agree with all of that... ... and still don't think it wise for adults to let children throw rocks at soldiers who they know will shoot back. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 11 Oct 15 10:08   Syrian escalation. - R.P.

They got a kicking in Afghanistan as well...people seem to forget. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 11 Oct 15 10:15   Syrian escalation. - Bromptonaut

>> They got a kicking in Afghanistan as well...people seem to forget. As did others before. A lesson from history that's maybe still not learned? Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 11 Oct 15 10:19   Syrian escalation. - R.P.

Neither did the allies last time around. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 11 Oct 15 10:59   Syrian escalation. - sooty123

I suppose that hinges on what you think the objectives were and if they achieved them or not. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 11 Oct 15 11:54   Syrian escalation. - Zero

Russian objectives are always the same: control, influence and their own national interests. They never make any bones about it or try and dress it up in any other way. The west have the same interests, but always try and hide it behind humanitarian or liberty type cloaks. Thats why it always goes tits up. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 11 Oct 15 11:51   Syrian escalation. - Zero

everyone gets a kicking in Afghanistan. Its always been that way, and it will always be that way, lord knowns how many times armies need to go marching in there to find that out. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 11 Oct 15 12:25   Syrian escalation. - sooty123

>> everyone gets a kicking in Afghanistan. Even those that live there. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 18:27   Syrian escalation. - sooty123

>> The media are reporting that Turkish forces have shot down a Russian aircraft in their >> airspace. NATO could get sucked into this big time. >> Got a link ON not seen it on internet news sites. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 18:31   Syrian escalation. - Old Navy

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3267595/Russian-jet-shot-Turkish-forces-flew-country-s-airspace.html www.express.co.uk/news/world/611157/Russia-Turkey-jet-plane-shot-down-airspace-Syria-ISIS-Islamic-State Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 18:36   Syrian escalation. - sooty123

Interesting they are the only ones who are covering it. On none of the major news networks yet. I suppose we'll have to wait and see if it actually happened. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 18:44   Syrian escalation. - Bromptonaut

The reports in Mail and Express are pretty similar too - common source from agency? BBC R4 at 08:00 was still headlining with Geoffrey Howe's death. Coverage of Turkey was around the suicide bombing of 'peace rally' in Ankara. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 18:44   Syrian escalation. - R.P.

Report in the Daily Mail quotes the Express...hardly 5X5 in reliability terms.. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 18:54   Syrian escalation. - Old Navy

Sky, CNN, and Al Jazeera are not running it. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 18:55   Syrian escalation. - R.P.

Nothing on Reuters, nothing on the Press Association, nothing on CNN, nothing on the BBC... Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 18:55   Syrian escalation. - R.P.

Or Sky. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 18:56   Syrian escalation. - R.P.

Nothing on Russia Today... Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 18:59   Syrian escalation. - R.P.

Nothing on any English Language Turkish media site..pattern ? Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 20:12   Syrian escalation. - Westpig

>> Nothing on any English Language Turkish media site..pattern ? >> That's what I was thinking, but why? If the cat was out of the bag (Mail and Express) you'd think they'd all dive in. So why has no one else reported it? Surely it would be a big story. Has someone committed a boo-boo and reported something unsubstantiated that proved in error?... or has there been some sort of govt type clamp down? Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 20:53   Syrian escalation. - sooty123

>> Has someone committed a boo-boo and reported something unsubstantiated that proved in error?... or has >> there been some sort of govt type clamp down? >> At the moment I'd go with the former. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 18:59   Syrian escalation. - sooty123

I already had a good look around before asking ON, it's nowhere bar those 2 papers. I read it started last night with rumours on twitter. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sat 10 Oct 15 19:07   Syrian escalation. - Zero

>> Nothing on Russia Today... Well that's rather like expecting to see the western press calling Kim Jong-un a short fat poof on the today programme on Pyongyang TV. Reply to this message | Report message       3

New Sat 10 Oct 15 20:41   Syrian escalation. - R.P.

They'd be reporting that the heroic socialist flying it would have been shot down either in international air-space or in Syrian airspace and that it was an act of war. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 11 Oct 15 00:52   Syrian escalation. - Armel Coussine

>> the western press calling Kim Jong-un a short fat poof on the today programme on Pyongyang TV. Does Pyongyang TV have a Today programme? Why doesn't Kim maintain a constant hairdo? His barnet never looks the same in any two photos. I wish mine was as sprauncy as that. '... and entertain some score or two of barbers...' (Shakespeare, Richard III). Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 11 Oct 15 00:34   Syrian escalation. - Fullchat

".....hardly 5X5 in reliability terms.. " Think that one may go over a few heads RP ;) www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/mlr3cmanual/mlr3c14000.htm Last edited by: Fullchat on Sun 11 Oct 15 at 00:39 Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 11 Oct 15 10:39   Syrian escalation. - Roger.

>> ".....hardly 5X5 in reliability terms.. " >> You are Janice Nichols and Oi claim moi foiver! Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 11 Oct 15 13:23   Syrian escalation. - Roger.

If this isn't a load of dog's testes, TREAT WITH CYNICISM, here is a real escalator! { Of summat :-) } hallsofkarma.wordpress.com/2015/10/10/meet-captain-balislava-russian-fighter-pilot-who-bombed-the-hell-out-of-isis-yesterday/ Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 11 Oct 15 13:32   Syrian escalation. - Bromptonaut

>> hallsofkarma.wordpress.com/2015/10/10/meet-captain-balislava-russian-fighter-pilot-who-bombed-the-hell-out-of-isis-yesterday/ The headline pic is a bit odd 'cos the aircraft pictured placarded in what I think is Portuguese and I think may be a Brazilian Air Force machine. The text is the usual racist/islamophobic shi'ite I'd expect from your links. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 11 Oct 15 13:45   Syrian escalation. - Roger.

It wasn't the TEXT I was referring to, it was the pilot. Come on:- only sexist! Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 11 Oct 15 14:06   Syrian escalation. - Bromptonaut

>> Come on:- only sexist! I'm sure there are glamorous Russian ladies flying Sukhois or Migs. I'm not persuaded the subject in your article is one of them. Aircraft is a Brazilian Airforce T 27 Tucano and I cannot see any Cyrillic characters on the lady's flying suit. Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 11 Oct 15 14:16   Syrian escalation. - sooty123

>> I'm sure there are glamorous Russian ladies flying Sukhois or Migs. I'm not persuaded the >> subject in your article is one of them. >> >> Aircraft is a Brazilian Airforce T 27 Tucano and I cannot see any Cyrillic characters >> on the lady's flying suit. >> >> I don't think roger was looking for total aeronautical accuracy when looking at those pictures ;) Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Sun 11 Oct 15 14:16   Syrian escalation. - Roger.

I quote "If this isn't a load of dog's testes, TREAT WITH CYNICISM, here is a real escalator! { Of summat :-) }" Lighten up Bromp! " Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 11 Oct 15 14:30   Syrian escalation. - Bromptonaut

>> Lighten up Bromp! The text riled me a bit but, as an aviation hobbyist, sorting out the picture's origin was a pleasure ;-P Reply to this message | Report message

New Sun 11 Oct 15 14:37   Syrian escalation. - Roger.

I've actually now had a proper look at the text! [Yes, just now:-)] Poorly written and crude stuff. Not by a native English speaker, I'd guess. So the pic was a load of testes, as I possibly suspected. Funny the things you find on Facebook! (From a friend of a friend). Last edited by: Roger. on Sun 11 Oct 15 at 14:40 Reply to this message | Report message