www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34368332
When I visited the USA, I noticed that several organised events (Indy 500, Seaworld etc) had special offers for people that had served in the forces and their families. At Seaworld, they even included UK service personnel. They also thanked them in the initial announcements for their service.
Ignoring the rights and wrongs of specific conflicts, service men and woman have no choice in where they go but they are at the sharp end and deserve some respect.
To treat the Sargent in this was was beyond contempt IMHO.
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It was truly appalling treatment. I hope someone gets their a*** kicked.
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Very odd. Should have moved these people who are supposed to be offended to a separate room.
As we like accuracy here, he's an airman not a soldier.
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>> Very odd. Should have moved these people who are supposed to be offended to a separate room.
Or better still, outside the main entrance in the cold and rain, with the cigarette smokers. That would shut the wimps up.
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Police Officers attending A&E will now have to attend in their underpants in case they offend someone.
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>> >> Very odd. Should have moved these people who are supposed to be offended to
>> a separate room.
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>> Or better still, outside the main entrance in the cold and rain, with the cigarette
>> smokers. That would shut the wimps up.
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Send them to fight ISIS..
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The BBC said......
"Sgt Prendeville was asked to move from the hospital's main waiting area into a different part of the accident and emergency department by a female member of staff, out of the view of the public."
The Hospital Trust said.....
"A member of the armed forces in uniform attended our A&E and was asked by a member of staff if he wanted to sit inside the department rather than the waiting room.
This employee was acting in good faith because previously, there had been an altercation between a member of the public and a different member of the armed forces in uniform."
The first is offensive, the second is at worst misguided.
I wonder which is closest to the truth. My gut feel says that the BBC report is sensationalist garbage. But who knows?
Either way, I guess its a slow news day for the BBC.
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Tea cup storm alert. Due previous incident staff asked him if he'd prefer to wait away from public waiting area eg in the lobby of the treatment area. Airman gratefully accepts. Afterwards his Father makes aa fuss.
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Anyone who is offended by a British service man / woman in uniform being treated in a British hospital is welcome to leave the hospital and if that offends them they are welcome to leave the UK.
I have worked in the USA as serviceman, the respect recieved is like a different planet.
Last edited by: Old Navy on Sat 26 Sep 15 at 17:23
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>> if that offends them they are welcome to leave the UK.
You are also free to leave the UK.
>> I have worked in the USA as serviceman, the respect recieved is like a different planet.
The spelling received is also different.
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>> >> if that offends them they are welcome to leave the UK.
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>> You are also free to leave the UK.
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You are welcome to your opinion, some of my friends and many peoples relatives have died so that can have your say.
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>> You are welcome to your opinion, some of my friends and many peoples relatives have
>> died so that can have your say.
I was making the point that "leave the country if you don't like it" is a rather childish response.
I was not expressing an opinion on the merits or otherwise of this story.
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>>I have worked in the USA as serviceman, the respect recieved is like a different planet.
In my experience the behaviour of the servicemen is different, also.
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>> In my experience the behaviour of the servicemen is different, also.
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I have worked with American, Norwegian, German, Australian, and New Zealand forces both Air force and Navy in their own countries and the Australian navy in the UK. I have found them all to be very similar in outlook and behaviour. I can't vouch for the army as I have had little contact with them, the Royal Marines I have had contact with have been a good bunch of blokes.
I bow to your in depth knowledge of the armed forces.
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>>I bow to your in depth knowledge of the armed forces.
Don't be a tit, I said "In my experience". If I had meant "I know that all of them are...." then that is what I would have said.
Don't put words in my mouth.
Or to put it a way you may be able to grasp; "I bow to your in depth knowledge of my experiences".
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>> Don't be a tit,
>> Or to put it a way you may be able to grasp;
Name calling and a condescending attitude will not get you any respect.
Last edited by: Old Navy on Sun 27 Sep 15 at 09:23
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>>In my experience the behaviour of the servicemen is different, also.
Especially in Abu Ghraib eh.
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>>Especially in Abu Ghraib eh.
Never been there. Why, how do they behave there? I presume you actually know and you're not just rattling?
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Sorry, I am totally not getting your point here.
My point was related the behaviour of servicemen insofar as it pertains to respect they receive when wandering around in the US - in response to ON and his comment about how servicemen are treated with more respect in the US.
I have lived in Aldershot and Portsmouth and seen how servicemen behave there, and have also lived in Washington & San Diego and seen how US Servicemen behave there.
Why you are rattling on about warzones is quite beyond me.
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>>Why you are rattling on about warzones is quite beyond me.
Tis nothing at all, I was just referring to where you stated "In my experience the behaviour of the servicemen is different, also" and I wanted to point out that many people, including me, have little respect for the way US troops acted during the illegal invasion of Iraq.
I apologise if I misread your reply to ON.
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>> many people, including me, have little respect for the way US troops acted during the
>> illegal invasion of Iraq.
Some US troops, not all.
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>> In my experience the behaviour of the servicemen is different, also.
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I'm interested. My experience says otherwise, but what did you see.?
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not sure the yanks heaped too much respect onto Vietnam vets for a very long time after that little lot was over.
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>> not sure the yanks heaped too much respect onto Vietnam vets for a very long
>> time after that little lot was over.
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I agree, IMO down to the politics of the war, there was a similar situation here after Iraq.
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>> not sure the yanks heaped too much respect onto Vietnam vets for a very long
>> time after that little lot was over.
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I used to work with ex Vietnam vets.
Many were very badly screwed up as a result of their experiences..Some of their stories were scary.
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Looks likea load of hyped-up crapola to me.
If there were some drunken morons in the waiting room and an injured copper came in I'd have no qualms about asking him if he/she wanted to come into the department to wait/get treatment.
He/she could always say no.
Armed Forces members/vets are also entitled to comparatively preferential treatment due to the Covenant (there is a tick-box on GP referral forms for present/past members of the 'Forces which means in theory they are seen faster - no idea how that works in reality though).
Last edited by: Lygonos on Sat 26 Sep 15 at 19:43
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>> Tea cup storm alert. Due previous incident staff asked him if he'd prefer to wait
>> away from public waiting area eg in the lobby of the treatment area. Airman gratefully
>> accepts. Afterwards his Father makes aa fuss.
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It's the fact that someone thought he should move that's the issue. Like i said earlier why not move those that when they were offended move then?
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Guh... this stuff goes on and on but no one says why the geezer was asked to move.
If it was because he was military and the other people waiting were against the military, period, then bad cess to the carphounds.
If there was some other, harmless reason it would be different. You would have to know.
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>> If there was some other, harmless reason it would be different. You would have to
>> know.
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Apparently he was in uniform, having been injured in an accident at work.
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>> Apparently he was in uniform, having been injured in an accident at work.
So, perfectly harmless.
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>> It's the fact that someone thought he should move that's the issue. Like i said
>> earlier why not move those that when they were offended move then?
If someone thought he should or even must move that's one thing. If he was offered the opportunity to move because of previous issues arising in the waiting area that's different. Wait with the nurses rather than the drunks is a positive offer.
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If someone thought he should or even must move that's one thing. If he was
>> offered the opportunity to move because of previous issues arising in the waiting area that's
>> different. Wait with the nurses rather than the drunks is a positive offer.
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There's nothing to suggest that this was a good thing. He was moved to another part of the waiting room not into the nurses area. No report I've read says that.
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Missed the edit; apologies some of the reports have changed since i first read then and say inside the dept, some shifted off to another part of the waiting room.
Last edited by: sooty123 on Sun 27 Sep 15 at 06:22
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I'm probably alone here in thinking this but is there a 'dog whistle' in this tale saying that those who might object to uniform would be foreign and/or Muslim?
Sort of borne out by the 'leave the country' response of some here.
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I refer to anyone who does not respect our way of life, standards and institutions. It could include some political extremists that we accept as a democracy. You raised race and religion.
Last edited by: Old Navy on Sun 27 Sep 15 at 09:39
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>> I'm probably alone here in thinking this but is there a 'dog whistle' in this
>> tale saying that those who might object to uniform would be foreign and/or Muslim?
What does 'dog whistle' mean in this context?
I've looked it up and it seems to mean a political code whereby language can mean one thing to many but something different to those in the know... and I can't work out the relevance here.
If you are hinting that there's a subliminal message here and it is anti foreign or anti Muslim, then from my perspective I see it it as anti those who would be unpleasant to our military .. and if that included those who are foreign or Muslim, then so be it.
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@WP I meant it in the subliminal sense, which I think is an accepted meaning alongside the stuff about using language.
I wasn't having dig at anyone here except to suggest that some folks read it that way.
Has anyone seen any interview with the Airman or his Father which gives any insight into exactly what they say happened?
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"some folks read it that way"
According to the Telegraph (report now disappeared altogether), 'the hospital apologised'. How did they read it, I wonder.
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>> Has anyone seen any interview with the Airman or his Father which gives any insight
>> into exactly what they say happened?
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His dad have an interview on radio 5 ive not listened to it.
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>> I wasn't having dig at anyone here except to suggest that some folks read it
>> that way.
You are being too subtle. If you don't 'read it that way' it might be difficult to grasp the point, well it is for me anyway.
Are you saying that by complaining about a serviceman being abused in a hospital's waiting room... then there's the possibility that the complainer might be complaining about a foreigner and/or Muslim, in which case what?...........you shouldn't complain? ...It's a 'no-go' area?
From my perspective, I think the complainer would have the right to complain about anyone, inc the above, if they were abusive.
If I have the wrong end of the stick, perhaps you could put me straight.
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Some hear the dog whistle, some see it. People can see or hear whatever they like. Some need no encouragement.
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Its been alluded to above. Having been in a similar position wearing a uniform in A&E does tend to to make you the centre of attention. Mostly curious, with well meaning people trying to make conversation, and sometimes 'hostile' in the form of drunken/drug induced banter. Either way you are probably not in the best frame of mind for being sociable. So for a member of staff to offer some refuge is a thoughtful thing to do. To get some priority treatment is even better :)
There is nothing worse than a drunk when you are sober. Well meaning or not.
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FFS Bromp, first its hints of anti-semitism now a bloidy dog whistle.
Isn't there enough racial and religious prejudice in this world without making it up?
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>> Isn't there enough racial and religious prejudice in this world without making it up?
Except I don't need to make it up.
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That's my point. No, you don't need to. So why bother doing it?
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>> That's my point. No, you don't need to. So why bother doing it?
Bromptonaut's a sensitive cat FMR and may seem a bit PC to you. But he's not stupid. I haven't noticed him inventing anything.
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Soldier Treated Badly at Hospital - Zero
