I shall be very careful as I do not wish to moderated or banned but, what do members think this situation?
A lot of discussion today re the wearing of and/or banning of the wearing of the burqua in UK. Personally I think a ban isn't right and some people need to have their faces in sight some of the time - teachers come to mind. I wouldn't be very happy being seen by a doctor or having an interview with someone wearing a burqua.
However it also mentioned in one broadsheet today that people with guide dogs are being refused travel on buses and in taxis where the driver is of a particular religious persuasion that thinks dogs are "Unclean"
Also some supermarket checkout staff have refused to sell/handle bacon, pork and alcohol.
What is a sensible or practical way forward to resolve these dilemmas? My feeling is that if you are providing a public service and employed to do so you have to do all aspects of it and if you don't want to you find another job.
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If your religeous pursuation prevents you from carry out your duties, you should not be employed in those duties. And I mean this widely.
If a Seikh can not take off his turban he should notbe alowed to run a motorbike or gets a job where a helmet is required.
If muslim can not carry guide dogs they should not be allowed to work in that industry
If a jew can not work on saturdays as part of a general shift pattern they should not be employed.
Jovies children should be taken into care if thet forbid blood transfusions.
NO allowances should be made for religions that singles out any group for any variation, privilage or exemption.
If your feel that strongly religeous about it that you cant abide by it, go live somewhere where your aversion or requirement is recognised.
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But in answer to the specific question, no the burka should not be banned. YOu can dress how you like, as long as its not forced onto women against their wills, and when official recognition is required the veil is lifted.
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I confess I was highly amused to hear some woman from a liberal freedom type of pressure group whiffling on about how it was a woman's choice to wear the thing.
Yeah, right.
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I'll second all of that but, hey, we wouldn't want to offend ANYONE would we? Even if, say, they had a hook where a hand might normally be found. :-(
JH
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The great thing about being British and British values is that we have no right to offend anyone but are expected to endure many things which we find offensive.
Stick a hook on Griffin and he isnt so dissimilar from other famous hooked individuals. Infact he seems a bit mild and thats saying something.
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>> If your religeous pursuation prevents you from carry out your duties, you should not be
>> employed in those duties.
More to the point, you should not seek employment in those duties.
Problem is that the law is firmly on the side of those who think they have the right to object to doing fairly ordinary tasks on "religious" grounds. Years ago when I lived in Derby, our local Kwiksave employed a Muslim girl on the check-outs who insisted on calling another member of staff over if a customer presented a bottle of alcoholic drink at the till. Most of us locals knew the score and simply avoided her check-out if we bought booze, but it was a damn nuisance nevertheless; in other ways she was super-efficient and pleasant too, so it's a difficult one to call.
My view has always been that if you don't actually physically come into contact with the booze/pork/dog or whatever, it shouldn't be a problem, and I suspect most moderate religious thinkers would concur. I suspect that those who object are either trying to make a statement themselves, or are under pressure from their families to do so.
When in Rome, etc.....
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I don't really mind what anyone wears. It's their choice. ( With the exception of Crocs and football jerseys of course ) They really are beyond the pale except in the former case on the beach or in the latter when actually playing football......
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"I don't really mind what anyone wears" a general truism but it's astonishing how many people there are these days who don't seem to have grown up with mothers who said "you're not going out looking like that!".
Why do fat women think it's acceptable to go out in a long T shirt and leggings? Yeuk!!!! Maybe the burqha isn't such a bad idea after all. :-)
JH
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I know exactly what you mean Tooslow. One can only surmise that many people do not own a mirror. If they did, they would surely catch sight of themselves in it and change....
For reasons I don't care to dwell on I was coerced into a trip to Ikea today. An experience I prefer to avoid at most costs normally. However, sociologically, it proved to be quite interesting. Some of the clothing choices having a particularly disturbing effect on one's sensibilities.
There were indeed many present who really shouldn't be ingesting any more of those meatballs for quite some time.
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There is a supermarket which I rarely visit. I believe that its, ahem, customers, are a consequence of it's location rather than the name over the door. I refer to it as Dr Moreau's island :-(
JH
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Heh heh ! I like that Tooslow. It will now forever be the same for me.
My wife scolded me in the scandinavian hell-hole when I asked a very well fed liverpudlian lady if I could just squeeze past her as she bent to examine something on a low shelf.
" Am I that fat mate that y' can't get past ? "
" Not for me to comment madam, but let's just say that with you there in that particular position, there isn't a great deal of margin for error....."
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Was that you at Ikea you cheeky git, Darryl followed you out in to the car-park, that car of yours looks like a Cornish Pasty on wheels !
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Welcome S'w.
You will find that some of us are pedantic here. Probably you know this already. Even so, it is with the greatest hesitancy that I enquire as to the precise number of Scousers with whom you share this - wholesome no doubt - polyandrous union. No hurry of course if you've lost count...
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eh.....I have a polyandrous ring tone on me Nokia Frenchy.
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Curses! I do believe you moved the apostrophe, you hussy.
Some of the scousers can read and write then?
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Just read some more about you - the lime green crocs do you no favours babe....
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Q/ What do you call a 29 year old scouse bird ?
A/ Nana
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I wish I was that posh love.
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>> Was that you at Ikea you cheeky git, Darryl followed you out in to the car-park, that car of yours looks like a Cornish Pasty on wheels !
Indeed the Qashqai is somewhat aesthetically challenged and one suspects that you might be something of an expert on pastry based snacks but Darryl clearly followed the wrong chap. I was in the Mondeo estate yesterday, granted, not a model commonly seen within sight of the Mersey unless displayed tastefully on stacks of bricks where the alloys used to be......
As an aside, I do hope you had second thoughts about the purchase of that soft pine futon. Even if it proved to be stronger than it looked it might be a little low slung for practical use if mobility is any kind of issue.
Chin Chin old girl ( whoops, no offence intended you understand ! )
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Before all you Dapper Dans divert this thread into a flood of abuse directed against comfortably built ladies and stylish, casual dressers and sporadic shavers like me, I would just like to say that I think Zero and Harley have it spot on about burquas and I have nothing to add.
I absolutely agree that those who make a nuisance of themselves on alleged religious grounds should be tossed violently up and down and generally given short shrift. People who merely want to dress correctly as they see it without making a song and dance are perfectly OK.
Not all countries are the same. France frowns officially on the burqua although it isn't totally banned, and some northern European countries have more relaxed laws covering religion, race etc. in satire than we seem to have.
When death fatwas are pronounced on crude European jokesters I always wonder why those responsible don't see the logical fallacy in what they are doing: pre-empting the Almighty with something known to be a sin, instead of leaving the punishment to Him. One can only conclude that logic has nothing to do with it when some smelly brute of a priest wants to commit murder.
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...I don't really mind what anyone wears...
All fine and dandy, but the position is abused.
There are documented cases of men wearing a burqua to deceive customs officials and enter the country illegally.
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'But Ai'm a LAYDEEE, officer!'
'Not with that beard mate. Step in here please.'
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Do you think you would get away with wearing a Ninja suit without the swords in public and not be asked to remove the head mask?
Or a silly joke mask of the queen? No.............
No take it off including the Burqua if you want to wear it fine but don't be afraid to be asked to remove it when and if required, & don't play the race card.!
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banks up in my town refuse entry if you have a skid lid on so why are you allowed in with a tent on your head and a slit
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There were was sights in Durham last night of young and old women in clothes that were not appropriate. Lots of short dresses etc. but a lot looked terrible.
I was also surprised on the number of people out and about in Durham last night. Anyone know if anything going on?
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For years those of other cultures have been encouraged to live here as they wish.
What's changed and why are we now suddenly interested in the dress requirements of those who view life differently.
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..I was also surprised on the number of people out and about in Durham last night...
Routine Saturday night out in North Road.
There is a tradition of people coming into Durham City from the surrounding villages for their big night out of the week.
Problems can arise because the Cassop lads don't get on with the Pittington lads who in turn don't like...you get the picture.
Throw in a few posh students - who nobody likes - and you have potential for bother.
A wag once characterised it as: 'More like Dodge City than Durham City.'
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>> What is a sensible or practical way forward to resolve these dilemmas?
To put your question first...
>> A lot of discussion today re the wearing of and/or banning of the wearing of
>> the burqua in UK. Personally I think a ban isn't right and some people need
>> to have their faces in sight some of the time
These things are only used by a tiny fraction or particular sects - AIUI there's no "requirement" for them. They should be "banned".
>> However it also mentioned in one broadsheet today that people with guide
>> dogs are being refused travel on buses and in taxis where the driver is of
>> a particular religious persuasion that thinks dogs are "Unclean"
That's rubbish, though, isn't it. They don't have to eat the animals. It's a bolshie driver being difficult, or trying to get a payout by being "unfairly sacked".
>> Also some supermarket checkout staff have refused to sell/handle bacon, pork
>> and alcohol.
Again, they don't have to consume the products. There's no restriction AFAIK against handling these goods (although there might be a restriction on the *producer* of such), and people like this should be dismissed, or - if the employer is very good-hearted (or his hands are tied by "regulations") move said person into a different position in the organisation.
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>> move said person into a different position in the organisation.
Yeah, cleaning the bogs. That'd learn'em.
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I am in a difficult position here being an orthodox Jew. When I was an employee I had to ask for permission to leave early on Friday afternoons in the winter as the Sabbath started about an hour before sunset and in Manchester than can be as early as 4pm. I always suggested that I work over lunchtimes or longer hours. In general however, I was told not to worry as enough surveyors slunk off to the golf course on a Friday afternoon in summer that my missing a few hours didn't cause any problem.
If I was working shift patterns which required working on Saturdays, I probably would not have entertained that job - hence very few Jewish policemen. Although as all medicine is considered as life saving, it is no surprise that there are many doctors and nurses who are Jewish.
Adding some knowledge to the comments about dogs, pigs and alcohol, is Judaism, handling pig is not permitted nor is obtaining benefit of any kind from various forbidden items. Presumably the same in Islam, hence the reluctance of a Moslem checkout girl to scan a bottle of alcohol or the bus driver to take a dog on board. Must admit that they were fully aware at the time they took the job that they may have to deal with these issues so they should have brought it the company's attention before they were offered the job.
It is a dilemma for Jews as to when they advise their new employer about leaving early on Friday in winter. I would prefer that I knew beforehand. Many of these employees are highly skilled and valuable members of a team and perhaps minor differences in working times are irrelevant to the overall benefit these people offer their employers.
Today in the Trafford Centre we saw two examples of young white girls dressed like 'you know whats' and two Moslem women whose faces I could not see. Neither are acceptable to me although the white girls in the long run are likely to cause more trouble in terms of unwanted pregnancies and multiple children with different fathers. The best dressed people were the ethnic minorities; either Chinese, Indian, or Jewish who seemed to understand that acres of bare flesh are not attractive unless on a beach and total covering up makes people uncomfortable.
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Correct me if I am wrong Espada but I seem to remember meeting quite a lot of liberal semi-observant Jews, who may not eat bacon or drink to excess and observe major festivals - I even know atheist Jews who do that - but who don't worry unduly about having to work on Saturdays... there are a lot of Muslims of the same sort, sort of CofE.
You are more the equivalent of a strict Catholic.
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"You are more the equivalent of a strict Catholic."
Correct - you may notice that I have never posted on a Friday evening or during the day on a Saturday.
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>> Adding some knowledge to the comments about dogs, pigs and alcohol, is Judaism, handling pig
>> is not permitted nor is obtaining benefit of any kind from various forbidden items. Presumably
>> the same in Islam, hence the reluctance of a Moslem checkout girl to scan a
>> bottle of alcohol or the bus driver to take a dog on board. Must admit
>> that they were fully aware at the time they took the job that they may
>> have to deal with these issues so they should have brought it the company's attention
>> before they were offered the job.
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Thanks for that, Espada, clears a few things up. It would follow, then from the "receiving benefit" prohibition, that an observant Muslim should not work for any employer who trades in alcohol, since sales of same produce revenue which in turn produces wages?
Incidentally, I never saw the lady in question flinch when I bought pork products there, and I think I'm right in assuming that pork is as forbidden to Muslims as it is to your good self.
I spent a couple of years driving for a small haulage firm in Nottingham, whose proprietors were Exclusive Brethren. Good, honest and decent people, but I found their way of life rather disturbing in some ways, especially their treatment of women, who seemed to be simply baby factories. My boss candidly admitted that one of the reasons he employed me was so that he had someone who could go to places where their creed forbade them; in his defence he was one of the best people I ever worked for, since he never lied to me, or anyone else. The company is still going strong.
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>> I spent a couple of years driving for a small haulage firm in Nottingham, whose
>> proprietors were Exclusive Brethren.
We had a young family in the attached semi for some years. As you say, baby machines...ended up with about 6.
They denied their sect in the first place, saying they were merely Christians....then Plymouth Brethren I was talking to a PB and I was assured the neighbours were the much stricter Exclusives.
We couldn't socialise, even asking them in for a chat and a cuppa was a nono. I did some work on his car and that was OK. He used to acknowledge me but that was it.
I believe they had to marry within the sect or they were , effectively, dead.
Prayer meetings were held in the back garden in Summer...on Sundays......at about 5am with all the kids, and others, running wild.
I thought that was very Christian !.....not !
They bought a bigger house after a few years and we got a nice retired, elderly couple.
Ted
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I can only assume these women that wear the Burqua's are mingers. Why else would they hide?? Husbands probably embarrassed by the state of them....
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>> I can only assume these women that wear the Burqua's are mingers.
Erm, what, they've got very hairy parts?
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I first saw Women who covered their faces, in West London in the early 70's,
it makes them more interesting, to me, and it doesn't bother me, in the least.
When we live in Tenerife, I quite often saw Woman with very little clothing on,
that didn't bother me either.
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The nice lady, late 30s, who helps in the Post Office wears a sort of semi-burqua, always black but her full face is showing.
The Postmaster, Ali and me call her Yoda....she seems to like it and gives us as good as she gets !
Ted.
Edit. Doggo, I saw a woman with very little on about 10 minutes ago..........I wasn't impressed !
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>>I saw a woman with very little on about 10 minutes ago..........I wasn't impressed !<<
See! I sed it wasn't a good idea having them cat racks done m8y
:)
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>> >> I can only assume these women that wear the Burqua's are mingers.
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>> Erm, what, they've got very hairy parts?
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Minger is slang for ugly. Bit outdated now. Another term is munter.
Just noticed the grocer's apostrophe I made this morning. Arrrrrrgggh!
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>> Just noticed the grocer's apostrophe I made this morning.
Since a lot of greengrocers do it, shouldn't it be the greengrocers' apostrophe?
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>> I can only assume these women that wear the Burqua's are mingers. Why else would
>> they hide??
To conceal their identity when they commit crimes?
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Family photos must be interesting...
JH
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I wear a balaclava (two eye holes and one mouth hole) when cycling in very cold weather, it looks intimidating. When I get off the bike, I roll up the bottom part and it looks like a woolly hat. I'm tempted to roll it down whenever I see a yashmak or burkha wearing individual to see how they like it. Perhaps one day I'll be brave enough!
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I think there's sometimes greater social responsibility which transcends any personal preferences or religious commitments the wearer may have (i personally value people above religion but completely understand not everyone does).
- school teacher
- doctor / nurse
- bank clerk
etc. the above, and related others, stem from the fact that social science supports the view that close / sensitive relationships cannot be easily formed without each party seeing the other's face.
There are social situations where i don't think it's unreasonable to say "if you don't want to reveal your face, please do not enter this publically accessible place / establishment"
- bank
- petrol station
The main criticism that could be levelled a this view would be exclusion, however there are pay @ pump petrol pumps, and telephone / online banking + autotellers.
If demand was high enough maybe there would be places created specifically to service the demand in another way. However the demand is not currently there for it so it could not fund itself, and i do not believe the greater public good would be serviced by legislating for provisions for hidden faces, e.g. in the way that we (very rightly) legislate for disabled access
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I think they should be banned. As many will know I have a very good muslim friend and she tells me there is no requirement of these to be worn at all for relgious reasons. They simly need to wear a scallf to cover their hair.
I think maybe not have a blanket ban on them but make an exclusion in law which means anybody can refuse to deal/speak to people wearing them.
My friends personal view is that these people wear them to try and cause trouble and she reckons you never see them in places like Pakistan.
Maybe the women who wear them just percieve the Karan to mean you need to wear these things and it is genuine but I will never be convinced. I have no problem with muslim dress, if you want to dress in black with about 300 layers on in Southport beach when its 30c that is up to you, but when you cover your face that introduces a load of social issues.
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I think there's a colleague on one of the other floors here who wears a veil. No issue with it at all. To try and 'ban' it simply inflames the issue and I'm ashamed that the MP introducing the private members bill represents a town in my County.
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I think we should go with the Rowan Atkinson idea of "dressing in a manner likely to cause offence". So we're not picking on any ethnic groups and you get the burquas and leggings in one!
JH
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I believe these customs vary a lot over quite short time periods, and also vary greatly from region to region and in some countries social class to social class. When I first went to Algeria in the late seventies, under a government that was both Muslim and rather Sovietised 'socialist', the women who wore face veils tended to be hotel cleaners, beggars and the like. You never saw educated Algerians wearing them. But perhaps some do these days, or maybe they have stopped again.
It isn't the case that fundamentalism is taking over the whole of Islam, but fundamentalist or backward elements have been able, citing rather dubious and ambiguous 'traditions', to make themselves threatening to some people in some countries. Ordinary citizens keep their heads down in the hope of being allowed to have a peaceful life, and they can't wait for these fascist puritans to go back into their squalid holes.
No one turns a hair in London when they see a couple of slim, spotless nun-like Muslim girls trotting down the street, any more than they do when they see a half-naked, buxom Brazilian enjoying the sunshine. Banning things makes life more boring. It's up to the women themselves to decide whether they are making their own choice or knuckling under to some piggish meathead of a man.
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>> there is no requirement of these to be worn at all for religious reasons
The minicab company I worked for had a contract with the immigration detention centre in north Bedfordshire. Once a week, two young ladies were taken to and from the centre in full niqab / burqa outfits. Although they looked devoutly religious, their conversation made them sound as though they wore hoop earrings and pink tracksuits. In fact when they got cabs for their own use at other times, they did indeed wear that style of Western clothes.
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Having lived in highly multicultural Bedford, one thing always intrigued me... In the school playground, if ten burqa-clad mums were amongst the parents waiting at 10 past 3, how did the kids know which one was theirs? ;-) (only half in jest!)
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Well, allegedly, it`s now official! According to one of yesterdays Dailys we aren`t going to ban the Burka afterall!
Reason?: It would be a very un-British thing to do! = I despair!
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Quite right too.
If we ban the burqa where do we stop?
Do we ban balaclavas or hoodies because they scare some people or they find them offensive?
Britain is a free country, or it was before we started banning everything.
The vast majority who wear burqas in this country do so to invite confrontation and controversy, with the added bonus of being able to claim 'discrimination' if they provoke a reaction.
Why do we bite? Why not just ignore them?
It's an item of clothing, no more and no less.
Pat
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>> If we ban the burqa where do we stop?
>> Do we ban balaclavas or hoodies because they scare some people or they find them
>> offensive?
>> Britain is a free country, or it was before we started banning everything.
You try walking around in a balaclava helmet all day long, and see how long it is before you attract the attention of the police, or others.
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>> You try walking around in a balaclava helmet ...........
I prefer the Phonejacker style. It's much classier. www.e4.com/fonejacker/
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I think it quite interesting that the penalty for a man forcing a woman to wear a burka is a fine of £25,000 and up to a year in prison. Would like to see that part of the law applied here.
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If we ban the burqa where do we stop?
Totally agree. Lets all just get on with our lives and stop worrying about what other people are wearing.
Not sure about old men in shorts though :-)
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Men in sandals with socks on should be banned:)
Pat
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And anyone of any age or sex seen in a baseball cap should be lynched immediately. Death should be long-drawn-out and painful to 'encourage the others'.
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>> Men in sandals with socks on should be banned:)
>> And anyone of any age or sex seen in a baseball cap should be lynched
>> immediately.
Crikey, I'd need to scrap half my wardrobe to satisfy you lot!
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Fashion Police - Urgent response required!
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Fashion fuzz be damned.
No one minds the charming burqua it seems. What they can't stand is sandals with socks, shorts and (cough, choke) baseball caps which undoubtedly come out of the factory already sweaty.
They make the knotted hanky as worn by Bell Boy look superbly elegant.
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>>anyone of any age or sex seen in a baseball cap should be lynched immediately<<
That's me brown bread then :)
Is there any reprieve for not wearing sox with me sandles though,
oh ... and I have a beard & long hair.
:D
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>> any reprieve for not wearing sox with me sandles though,
Yes. Beaver and barnet likewise. But I'm afraid the baseball cap is an absolute offence.
If we reprieve anyone they'll all be doing it, the ghastly gringoid carphounds. It's bad enough having them rabbiting about train stations and sport coats.
I've never had a beard, not more than a week or so of it anyway. But I often have that, and it looks terrible.
My hair gets longer and longer and then I get someone to cut it and it's short again. I thought everyone's was like that. Like everything else though this gets worse as you get older. What used to be an engaging mop now quickly becomes greasy balding locks making one look like a mad old tramp only minutes, seemingly, after one's last haircut. But my lifelong phobia for barbers ensures I look like a mad old tramp most of the time. Never quite sure how much of it is urban camouflage and how much a true reflection of the creature within.
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.><.But my lifelong phobia for barbers ensures I look like a mad old tramp most of the time.><.
I shouldn't really admit to this, but I embarrass my wife, I drove her to the meeting place for her Race for Life thingy on Sunday and wondered why she asked me to drop her the other side of the road,
I'm just non-conformist really I suppose, like to do my own thing, like.
Power to the People!
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Heavens Dog, you sound like the sort of furtive poacherish fellow I have been consorting with in low pot-houses all my life... Had I been passing we might well have met while clamouring at the back door of the Mole and Cockchafer...
My last school had its own low pot-house not far away, that would sell you a drink out of hours in school uniform. The school authorities knew about it, like the secret police would know about the late-night coffee bar in a socialist capital. Life was cooler in the fifties.
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((Life was cooler in the fifties))
Wasn't too bad in the 60's either ~ The Crown in Leicester Sq and The Frigate just down the road
+ The Middle Earth in Covent Garden b4 it moved to The Round House in Chalk Farm :)
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Of course anything went in the sixties, you lucky little beasts, we'd done all the spadework for you while you were still in your pushchairs...
:o}
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>> Life
>> was cooler in the fifties.
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Is that proof of global warming?
;-)
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Well, burqua me - all religion is a sham, man-invented by powerful people to keep the "little people" (i.e. most of us) in order.
Ban religion, I say!
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>>Ban religion, I say!<<
Why ban it landsker, billions adhere to one faith or another, however blind, religion gives comfort and hope to many, especially to those hoping there is hope.
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The MP who Brompton referred to earlier would be very unlikely meet a burqua wearer in his district, what's he up to.
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>> The MP who Brompton referred to earlier would be very unlikely meet a burqua wearer
>> in his district, what's he up to.
Playing to the populist instincts in areas that think 'we're next'.
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>> Playing to the populist instincts in areas that think 'we're next'.
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He insults his parishioners then if he assumes we need to be told how to think, maybe he spends too much time reading or pandering to the Wail.
Isn't this whole subject a load of baloney, 3 years ago no one would have dared even mention the heffelump in the room, now it's getting those attacks in fast while it's apparently ok to do so, this and other things must have grated on certain nerves, meself i couldn't give a monkeys how people want to dress or behave, if i don't like it i'll avoid them.
Though if fair maidens would like to dress and be feminine as they used to in years gone by i won't complain.
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There might be an imagined benefit to adherents, but not as material as that given to the chosen few with esoteric knowledge. Its just a venal industry, like stock-broking etc. Religion is to benefit the incumbents, and sod the rest.
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I've known plenty of people who've derived some comfort from their faith in times of personal tragedy, I personally don't doubt the power of faith for the individual. Each to his own. Live and let live etc.
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"Religion is to benefit the incumbents"
Our vicar must be doing it wrong then - seems as poor as the proverbial church mouse.
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>>Religion is to benefit the incumbents, and sod the rest. <<
That wasn't the original teaching though Norton, as taught by The Man,
but then he wasn't a Christian or a Catholic, was he.
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True, Dog. I am a lapsed catholic, and perhaps come with some baggage which leads to a lack of charity, and recognition of the good that is done at the front-line, including the RC.
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>>and recognition of the good that is done at the front-line, including the RC<<
Agreed Norton, I'm a freelance monotheist - I like to keep my options open ;-)
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Really, Doggo....you're a man after me own heart.
Try this if you want a good ' distaff embarrassing moment '.
When you're a passenger, stopped at the lights, perhaps. Produce a flat cap from the glove box, jam it on your head until your ears stick out. Show off your best gurn to passers-by and lick the side window.
I've done it, and it works just fine !!
Mind you, I was younger at the time....about 58.
Ted
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>>When you're a passenger, stopped at the lights, perhaps. Produce a flat cap from the glove box, jam it on your head until your ears stick out. Show off your best gurn to passers-by and lick the side window<<
Normal for Cornwall (as we say down here!)
Nice to be young Teddy ~ I'm 58 in September :)
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Yes, sorry, I'd forgotten you were in Cornwall.
Bus pass soon then........use mine a lot !
Teddy
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>>Bus pass soon then........use mine a lot !<<
Will there still be bus passes in 2 years time I wonder, or buses come to that!
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To Burqua or not to Burqua - Zero
