Has resigned as Deputy Speaker of the Lords, following revelations of him "snorting cocaine with prostitutes".
goo.gl/YksbD8 (Telegraph)
At least he has a sense of humour, he was chairman of the privileges and standards committee.
I really struggle to understand this. Without the constraint of holding public office and the threat of attendant publicity, I have so far had no difficulty at all in resisting the temptation to snort cocaine with prostitutes. Do I lack ambition?
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>> I have so far had no difficulty at all in resisting
>> the temptation to snort cocaine with prostitutes. Do I lack ambition?
No dear boy, just money.
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I'm rather reminded of the sketch in 'I'm sorry I'll read that again' when on visiting foreign parts a native tried to sell time with his sister.
The response was something along the lines of:
How dare you, don't you know I'm an English lord?
So the native said:
I'm sorry effendi, I have a very nice brother
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>>Or am I missing something?
Its difficult to understand his outlook by judging him against people who don't want to do that sort of thing - in this case, yourself.
One tries to assess his intelligence by comparing him to people who are inclined to such behaviour but avoid it because of their position, never mind in front of witnesses.
Pretty much makes him a weak, idiotic plank.
I am mildly surprised that the prostitutes were female.
Last edited by: No FM2R on Sun 26 Jul 15 at 21:32
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"I am mildly surprised that the prostitutes were female."
He wasn't a Tory peer...
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>> I have so far had no difficulty at all in resisting the temptation to snort cocaine with prostitutes. Do I lack ambition?
Are you sure there was any temptation Manatee? Doesn't sound like it.
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>>Are you sure there was any temptation Manatee?
Interesting question. If a tree falls in the forest, and there is no one to hear it, does it make a sound?
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Another example of don't do as I do, do as I say...
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Woss the geezer done wrong though? .. sniffed some Columbian marching powder, and purchased some tarts.
I just wish I was in his bra shoes.
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>> Woss the geezer done wrong though?
The House of Lords (Suspension and Expulsion) Act 2015 - which received Royal Assent only in March and which Lord Sewel himself helped to introduce - allows peers to be barred from Parliament if they breach the code of conduct.
The code maintains that members must "always act on their personal honour".
...whatever that means :)
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33671546
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>>The code maintains that members must "always act on their personal honour".
Of course I realise he has to fall on his sword for being 'exposed', but in the grand scheme of things, he hasn't committed an act of gross indecency or been 'into' little boys for instance.
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Using Cocaine is illegal, of course.
Primarily though he is stupid.
He committed crime, and various other misbehaviours, in front of witnesses, while in public office and presumably fully aware of the likely reaction of the media if they heard about it and the likely consequences.
That is a level of stupidity beyond belief.
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His middle name is Buttifant.
Just saying :)
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>> That is a level of stupidity beyond belief.
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Everyone has their Achilles Heel, and in most of the cases it is sex that clouds any form of rational thinking.
He's just one of along line of the great and good who fell foul of his carnal desires.
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>> That is a level of stupidity beyond belief.
It just isn't possible that Sewel is 'stupid' by any normal standards. He does seem quite fun-loving though. And one thing leads to another... three toots of decent cocaine in half an hour, and a drink or two, can make anyone carelessly over-optimistic, especially if they and others they know have been at it for years.
I hope they don't make an example of him by being too severe. He can't be the only one after all.
Last edited by: Armel Coussine on Mon 27 Jul 15 at 13:53
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>> Using Cocaine is illegal, of course.
I don't think it is, technically. Possessing it is the 'offence', not using it.
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I see plod has now raided his flat - "The Met said the warrant under the Misuse of Drugs Act was granted".
I didn't think he was misusing it, looked like he was doing fine to me, no doubt AC will be able to confirm.... :-)
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>> I didn't think he was misusing it, looked like he was doing fine to me, no doubt AC will be able to confirm.... :-)
I thought I already had.
He was being a bit greedy though. Greed is a big motivator with all drugs, most notably tobacco and alcohol.
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Well, well, well.
Who'd have thought that BBD was a peer?
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Listening to our local radio presenter this morning about this chap being a example to us.
Of course they are not would you take a M.P as a example, Lords in the house or Royalty?
They will get up to more tricks than most of us ever think about.A example my backside.>:)
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Idiot. EVERYONE knows that cocaine is best snorted through a rolled up €200 note.
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Dutchie, dont mention doing tricks and your backside in the same post. Some people might get the wrong idea.
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I feel a bit sorry for the bloke. Having plumbed the depths of morality on a few occasions during my life (Never wore a bra though) I really don't see what business it is of anyone else's what somebody gets up to in their private life as long as it involves consenting adults. I gained a tremendous amount of admiration for Max Mosley when he stood up to the same sort of disgraceful treatment by the Screws a few years ago.
The Sun really is an odious rag.
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Thanks for being brave enough to say that RR as I also have some sympathy for him and everyone is all too ready to point the finger and go into shock/horror mode these days at the slightest thing.
A bit more "live and let live" wouldn't go amiss.
I'm a 38C btw :-) (Err btw that's a joke, no way would 38 go round my chest!!)
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>> I feel a bit sorry for the bloke. Having plumbed the depths of morality on
>> a few occasions during my life (Never wore a bra though) I really don't see
>> what business it is of anyone else's what somebody gets up to in their private
>> life as long as it involves consenting adults. I gained a tremendous amount of admiration
>> for Max Mosley when he stood up to the same sort of disgraceful treatment by
>> the Screws a few years ago.
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>> The Sun really is an odious rag.
Nothing wrong with plumbing the depths of morality. Done it myself as well. There is however something very stupid about a person who has a sensitive public persona getting caught doing it tho. The bloke is d******* for getting caught in a Sun sting.
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I think that in many of these cases people are very discrete about where they go and who they go with in their early days, but after years of getting away with it complacency sets in and care over what is said and to whom begins to take a back seat to the extent they eventually become reckless.
I wonder who tipped the Sun off though, rather bad form if it was one of the ladies as they were happily accepting his money.
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He entertained prostitutes and had some coke.Big deal.Give me a peadofile any day to chop their b a l l s off.
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I don't care about him doing drugs or prostitutes;
I care about him being dumb enough to do it when in the public eye and in front of witnesses.
And sanctimonious enough to sit on a committee checking other people are living their lives appropriately.
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>> I don't care about him doing drugs or prostitutes;
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>> I care about him being dumb enough to do it when in the public eye
>> and in front of witnesses.
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>> And sanctimonious enough to sit on a committee checking other people are living their lives
>> appropriately.
That's pretty much it, and the fact that his judgement must be questionable. Maybe it's just an aspect of being in a prominent and powerful position for a very long time - I have noticed before that it does funny things to some people.
I don't really care in general about people indulging in their private vices, and I certainly wasn't bothered about Max Mosley.
The fact remains that possession of cocaine is an offence. of course so it isn't entirely a private matter. OK he isn't a child molester but I'm not giving him a medal for that (although there should probably be a show business award for it).
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>> He entertained prostitutes and had some coke.Big deal.Give me a peadofile any day to chop their b a l l s off.
Quite Dutchie. Who hasn't after all?
I agree that active predatory paedophiles, rare as they are, are a menace to youth and very distasteful indeed.
However, there's no need for the knife and all that blood and screaming, so tiresome. One big injection can make you a eunuch for all practical purposes. They just have to hold you down and find a qualified doctor willing to administer the shot. There are sleazy quacks who'll do it for a fee.
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>> begins to take a back seat to the extent they eventually become reckless.
Almost certainly that is the case.
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>> The bloke is d******* for getting caught in a Sun sting.
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Zero, either you or the swear filter is getting more imaginative these days. Probably both.
Yesterday, I deduced that the filter's rendering of M**** was the French word for excrement. But today? I can't think of any swear words beginning with 'D'!
Could you give me a clue?
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He's jacked in the Lords. No more 300 notes a day for signing in!
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He's retyred [motoring link]
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>> He's jacked in the Lords.
Has he? Dirty sod, there was no need for that..;-)
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Who still buys the Sun? I wouldn't wipe my bum with it if desperate.>:)
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I used to wipe my bum on the Daily Mirror when I were a kyd.
Just saying.
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Both of you must have had well inky bums, judging by the state of one's fingers after leafing through an early edition very late at night.
No doubt you were used to it though. Brown, black, they're all skidmarks innit?
(I'm terribly sorry. Don't know what came over me).
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>> (I'm terribly sorry. Don't know what came over me).
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Lord Sewel?
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I read the Sun and I've got the balls to say so, and judging by the quotes I see on these forums a few more do as well.
It's a bit like the Daily Mail, isn't it?
You all quote, and post links, from it but never admit to reading it:)
I know what to take with a pinch of salt and what to take seriously and I like a chuckle in my daily read, so what's wrong with that?
I have at least 3 hours each morning watching/listening to the BBC news and parliament programmes before you lot get up and that grounds me enough to read the Sun and enjoy it!
Pat
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There is no reason why you should not read The Sun.
I am merely pointing out to people that dislike the behaviour of The Sun and its ilk, that the newspaper is not the problem. The majority of their readers WANT it like that.
How many people complain bitterly about the behaviour of the paparazzi and then buy a tabloid, for example?
If you buy the paper, and then disbelieve every word in it, you are nonetheless supporting and encouragng their behaviour.
And that is fine, so long as you're happy with that.
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I don't disbelieve every word in it, but I do know when to believe and when not to believe.
I like their editorial views, I like their columnists and I like some of the campaigns they have done.
I don't like being judged on the basis of what newspaper I read, that seems rather shallow to me and prone to complete misjudgement if anyone thinks we are all tarred with the same brush.
Pat
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I don't know whether it still applies, but it used to be true that more men in socioeconomic groups A & B read the Sun than read the Times.
Reading a comic for amusement doesn't an idiot make.
My elderly aunt and uncle are most fair-minded and the least bigoted people I know, but always get the Mail now that they can't readily get the Yorkshire Post, having emigrated (to Jockland).
Getting one's opinions from a newspaper is a different matter!
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>>I don't like being judged on the basis of what newspaper I read, that seems rather shallow to me
I am not judging you. But you must understand that the media wants your money and support and will do what they think is mostly like to achieve that.
In fact behavioural measures are a crap way of judging individuals. However, they are a fine way of judging, understanding and predicting the antics of groups of people; the larger the better.
So, of all the people complaining about the actions of the paparazzi, how many buy newspapers featuring their work?
Why do you think a newspaper features the work of the paparazzi?
Because they believe that their users want to see it and will not be offended by it. And going by the amount of people who buy their papers, they would appear to be correct.
The media is not are not the cause of a behaviour, although they facilitate and encourage. The people consuming it are the ones driving that behaviour.
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>> I read the Sun and I've got the balls to say so, and judging by
>> the quotes I see on these forums a few more do as well.
I read the Sun. Usually when I know I am having a breakfast out. But the point is, I buy it for its amusing sleaziness and the shockingly corny headlines and language. I never assume anything in it is true or newsworthy, and never use it as a reference, fact or morally worthy stance,
>> It's a bit like the Daily Mail, isn't it?
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>> You all quote, and post links, from it but never admit to reading it:)
I don't offer quotes from it, I never buy it, and rarely read it when referenced in a link. I know it will annoy me, because it pretends to be serious. The Sun rarely does.
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>> It's a bit like the Daily Mail, isn't it?
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>> You all quote, and post links, from it but never admit to reading it:)
I assumed quoting and posting links, which I do more than most, was admitting to reading to it. The online version anyway; wouldn't pay money for it.
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>Nothing wrong with plumbing the depths of morality. Done it myself as well.
Don't punish yourself too much Zero.
Having a Capri fetish might be embarrassing but it's hardly 'the depths of morality'. I'm quite fond of them myself, although I wouldn't dare to admit it in public.
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>> I gained a tremendous amount of admiration for Max Mosley when he stood up to the same >> sort of disgraceful treatment by the Screws a few years ago.
The News of the World, claimed, IIRC that there were Nazi elements in Mosley's activities. Fortunately for him and unluckily for the NOTW, when the case came to court, one of the prostitutes involved had a nasty attack of the "I can't remembers".
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>>The Sun really is an odious rag.
Whilst I entirely agree with the sentiment, The Sun is what it needs to be to appeal to and remain popular with its readers.
If the readers didn't want that behaviour and stopped buying the paper, it would change its character instantly.
The truth is, it is popular BECAUSE of how it is, not despite it. Ditto The Mail Online and all the rest of the bottom feeding crap.
What you are looking at in The Sun, Mirror or any of the rest is exactly what people WANT to read, and will PAY to read.
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Good Bob cartoon in the middle of the comic today, taking it out of Sewel but also the Lords in general. The Michael Deacon column is worth a look too.
Sympathetic cat that Sewel. My kind of cat, yee-hah! and damn the consequences.
I know, I know, the man's a fool. But a sort of holy fool.
Now you can all pretend not to know what that means. Go for it!
Last edited by: Armel Coussine on Tue 28 Jul 15 at 18:03
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I looked over the tabloids in the shop today, and in the end didn't buy one.
Got a nearly-two-quid, Jesus, Grauniad instead. It was boring, awful and almost unreadable. Could have got all four tabloids, each more amusing than the po-faced Grauniad, for the same money. God I feel stupid.
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"God I feel stupid."
So you should, AC, but spare a thought for poor Brompto who reads it every day! How do you imagine he feels?
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If anything should provoke root and branch reform of the Lords, this article from the Telegraph ought to raise a whirlwind of protest to sweep away the rotten system as it is.
No - not "misbehaviour", but unashamed troughing and just awful, awful, value for money.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11771859/Revealed-The-silent-peers-who-have-claimed-nearly-2m.html
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The fundamental flaw in the system that has a second chamber in the form of the Lords is that they have mixed two entirely different concepts.
One is the giving of honours in the form of titles as rewards to people who have given service to the nation in some form, usually over quite a long period.
The other is the harnassing of the abilities of people who would enhance the legislation-revising function of a second chamber.
The two are almost totally unconnected.
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Lord Sewel - Zero
