Kind of surprised that no one else mentioned Val Doonican's death earlier this month. Whatever you thought of his music it was difficult to be offended by it and for those of us brought up in sixties/seventies he was a Saturday regular along with folks like Petula Clark and Cliff.
Particular memory of watching him in B&W with my Gran sat in front of the coal fired range at her house in Gt Preston.
Desmond Carrington devoted a significant chunk of his show tonight to an interview of his with him and to his career and hits.
Didn't select my favourite though:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlH7fDkd3Lw but lots of other tracks.
RIP Val.
Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Fri 17 Jul 15 at 23:24
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I enjoyed his music and show, both then when I was a child and now when i just behave like one.
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Yes i remeber watching his shows as a kid on a Saturday evening. They were a "gentle" old TV programme of a type and from a time now both sadly gone forever.
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Watching a few old clips on Youtube, I'm reminded of how good a singer he actually was; and a fine TV show host too. Nothing like that today, more's the pity.
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>> Kind of surprised that no one else mentioned Val Doonican's death earlier this month.
I'm not
>>Whatever
>> you thought of his music it was difficult to be offended by it
And that is why I am not surprised.
>>sixties/seventies he was a Saturday regular along with folks like Petula Clark and Cliff.
And the black and white minstrels. And Rolf Harris, and Jimmy saville, and the Lulu show, and and and
As a child and teen, Saturday Evening on BBC was the absolute and complete PITS. Appalling crap.
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Hasn't changed much, except we have considerably more of the stuff.
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>> As a child and teen, Saturday Evening on BBC was the absolute and complete PITS.
>> Appalling crap.
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And it's changed for the better? Don't think so mate.
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hmmm Let me see....
Generation game vs Black and White Minstrel Show.
The Voice vs Jake the bleedin Peg Harris
Think I know which one I would go for
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It's subjective. Always respected Bruce Forsyth as an accomplished performer but his persona grated on me then and still does today. Never watched The Voice, always maintained that singers should never be judged on their appearance.
Harris may have been a despicable and depraved man in private but there is no doubt that he was also an accomplished and versatile entertainer.
Personally I much preferred Tommy Cooper and Les Dawson on the telly.
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>> Personally I much preferred Tommy Cooper and Les Dawson on the telly.
Both preferable to "Saturday Night Special"* staring the young generation live from Western Super Mare beach.
The donkey poo had more presence.
*or whatever that awful live holiday resort prog was called.
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Hardly noticed the cat back in the day, another mellow crooner who didn't swing. Boring.
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>> As a child and teen, Saturday Evening on BBC was the absolute and complete PITS. Appalling crap.
As a teen and immature young adult, I agree emphatically.
The beeb pretended to be bumbling to mask its breathtaking cynicism and malevolence. It's become fairly progressive and lefty now but there was something almost nazi about it in those days. Capitalist expansion 'denazified' it, but if the world economy had gone differently we'd have learned to detest the BBC.
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Perhaps Saturday night TV wasn't (and isn't) directed at at teenage immature young adults
Perhaps it was generated at an older generation who didn't go out on Saturday night and liked the sort of entertainment they had been brought up with. Perhaps there was some genuinely ggod TV buried in the the lightweight stuff. Perhaps the next generation will be appalled at the sort of stuff we like now. Who knows?
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Good point, I cannot for the life of me understand how grown men get pleasure watching Game of Thrones (- I guess it's the occasional bit of nudity) or suchlike. Mates of mine were discussing Gogglebox the other night so I watched it. It's dire, but widely watched.
Except some of the drama and comedy on the Beeb, and occasionally ITV, we have gazillions of channels spewing out absolute carp.
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I may have badmouthed the post-war Beeb for trying to make us march in step. But I have to admit that most of the decent TV we get comes from it and the other main terrestrial channels including Ch4.
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One man's rubbish is of course another's favourite programme.
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>>One man's rubbish is of course another's favourite programme.
Very true.
Emmerdale - Great
Eastenders - Awful
Fond memories of Crossroads
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Based on the above /
All views below /
Have to be suspect!
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Yeah but he's not wrong is he? :-)
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>> Yeah but he's not wrong is he? :-)
Notice he left out the saturday seaside special*, Lulu, Cliff Richard, black and white minstrels, and yes, Val Doonican. Not to mention "Its a nock out"
Wonderful stuff like this
*genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/1b753061a36448ba943e145898ddead4
Seriously, Crossroads?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY1J7rC7h44
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Yes but also this edition with ABBA singing Waterloo so all is forgiven.
Actually watching the programme it really wasn't that bad.
youtu.be/JoxhoEYmikw
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>> Yes but also this edition with ABBA singing Waterloo so all is forgiven.
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>> Actually watching the programme it really wasn't that bad.
So we are arguing scales of bad now then?
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If Agnetha was in in it a program cannot be bad. There is no arguing.
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>>Perhaps Saturday night TV wasn't (and isn't) directed at at teenage immature young adults
I rather enjoyed Saturday night TV.
When I was early double figures it was about the time that my parents started leaving us alone in the evening so I got to watch whatever I liked.
Dr Who
Ironside
Simon Dee
Dave Allen
Two Ronnies, Morecambe and Wise, Generation Game
Match of the Day
Frank Cannon
Braden's Week
In fact, as far as I recall, Saturday night viewing was damned good.
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I haven't watched the idiots lantern for nine weeks since I got this blimming pup.
I haven' had a decent nights sleep either, although to be fair, he did let me lay in 'til 5am this morning, bless him.
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I just don't understand dog owning. Seems a one way street to me. Too much expenditure and nil return. You'd be better off with a Blue Ray player.
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>> Too much
>> expenditure and nil return.
Devotion, adoration, obedience, love, companionship.
I've tried marriage, Its much more expensive and you get none of those things.
Mind you both a wife and dog nag you.
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Like I said get a blueray player. Totally obedient.
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I could have bought a decent car with what I've spent on Milo and all the things he destroyed. Then again, how many cars wait by the door all day for you to return?
A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than he loves himself, and I'm getting another one in a few weeks time.
Anyone interested in buying my Blu-ray player? ... It's a Panasonic 3D jobbie.
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I guess you are a dog person or you are not
I guess I understand the companionship thing if you are lonely but I have never craved love of an animal nor indeed unconditional devotion of anything or anyone.
Occasionally take a friend's Labrador for a walk but owning one is not for me. Enjoy the freedom to go where I like when I like too much. And then there' s the dog mess. No you' re welcome to them.
Just clear up after them please!
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>> Enjoy the freedom to go where I like when I like too much.
A dog gets me to places I wouldn't normally get to, and hasn't stopped me going anywhere or doing anything when I like.
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But some people and places don 't like dogs. You are inevitably restricted as towhere you can go if you have a dog in tow. This afternoon for example I have been visiting a nature reserve at Hickling
No dogs allowed
Your choice for a pub lunch is similarly restricted
You may well not mind these limitations but they are there.
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>> But some people and places don 't like dogs. You are inevitably restricted as towhere
>> you can go if you have a dog in tow. This afternoon for example I
>> have been visiting a nature reserve at Hickling
>> No dogs allowed
Don't like nature reserves, and anyway wouldn't have been a problem, the dog could have stayed ay home or in the car
>> Your choice for a pub lunch is similarly restricted
Not, most pubs allow dogs - Ok not in the formal restaurant, but will serve your food at a table in the bar while you have a dog - don't it many many times and never been restricted in my choice of pub. In the country a pub would go out of business if they didn't.
>> You may well not mind these limitations but they are there.
They do not exist.
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That you choose to spend your time with your dog and go where dogs are welcome is entirely reasonable. To claim you can go anywhere with a dog is silly.
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>> That you choose to spend your time with your dog and go where dogs are
>> welcome is entirely reasonable. To claim you can go anywhere with a dog is silly.
I never claimed i could go anywhere with a dog, I said it has never been a problem, seemingly you missed the part "left at home" and "left in car"
A dog has not limited me in any way.
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>> >> That you choose to spend your time with your dog and go where dogs
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>> A dog has not limited me in any way.
Well they're not allowed in Youth Hostels nor most of the self catering places I've ever stayed in. The Warden at the hostel we used for a YHA group reunion wasn't happy about one being in the grounds while in a car. I suspect they're restricted on the car ferry to France from where I'm sending this too.
But they never stop you doing anything.
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>> But they never stop you doing anything.
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As nothing on earth would get me into a YHA, dog or no, and I take dogs via the Chunnel - then no, It hasn't stopped me doing anything. On the ferry BTW, the dogs stay in the car.
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>> >> But they never stop you doing anything.
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>> As nothing on earth would get me into a YHA, dog or no, and I
>> take dogs via the Chunnel - then no, It hasn't stopped me doing anything. On
>> the ferry BTW, the dogs stay in the car.
You can wriggle all you like. Dogs, like young children, affect how you live and need to be planned for. Some doors are closed to you.
I know dogs stay in the car, a place it's regarded as unsafe for you to stay, on ferries. Remember some bloke being allowed onto the garage deck of a CalMac vessel while on passage a few years ago. Reason was he could see his sick/distressed pooch from the outside deck.
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>> You can wriggle all you like. Dogs, like young children, affect how you live and
>> need to be planned for. Some doors are closed to you.
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You get the same problem with wives & girlfriends.
OTOH it provides new openings as well.
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>>I guess you are a dog person or you are not
Indeed, I was going to say that actually. I can't understand cat people, especially when they have 3, 4, 5 or more cats but, each to his/her own.
>>Just clear up after them please!
BIG problem in most cities & towns, caused by a minority of selfish inconsiderate AH's, but what to do?
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Dogs, like small kids, should never be foisted on those who don't care for them, by people who do.
I confess, however, to preferring the type of pub which welcomes dogs, to the type which welcomes children!
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>>I confess, however, to preferring the type of pub which welcomes dogs, to the type which welcomes children!
Ah! .. a spit-and-sawdust pub [my kind of pub] do they still exist I wonder, or have even those been 'transformed' into 'king eateries.
:}
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We had both once Dog and a Cat they where good mates. I used to take the dog for a walk and the cat followed.
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Siamese are similair.When I was still working got talking to a Captain on one of the Chemical tankers.
He was looking after two Siamese cats for a friend.He told me never again the Cats drove him round the bend demanding attention and waking him up in the early morning.They are supposed to be highly intelligent.One of our daughters friend have a main C o o n.They are big cats.
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My Plymouth friends have had two Burmese catz for 14 years. Luvly cats, very affectionate, one died recently, alas.
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>> I've been looking at Bengal catz recently. They should be taken out on a lead
>> apparently :o)
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We have a half-Bengal; or more to the point she owns us.
Definitely smarter than the average moggy.
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>>We have a half-Bengal; or more to the point she owns us.
>>Definitely smarter than the average moggy.
How would they get on with my Pointer and Beauceron en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauceron
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>> How would they get on with my Pointer and Beauceron en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauceron
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If ours is owt to go by, the cat would run rings round them.
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One of ours is a Burmese although he doesn't know it and just thinks he's an alley cat.
He's just over 20 years old and very intelligent, demanding and vocal.
He also answers back with a meow that clearly says 'don't talk to me in that tone of voice' before putting on the sympathy limp.
....and he pinches a whole king sized duvet in winter.
Be warned!
Pat
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>> I've been looking at Bengal catz recently. They should be taken out on a lead
>> apparently :o)
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>> www.pets4homes.co.uk/classifieds/934715-fabulous-brown-rosetted-bengal-kittens-tica-regist-spalding.html
Only one Bengal I would own or take on a lead
erikas-adventures.aminus3.com
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>>erikas-adventures.aminus3.com
S'nice ... the cats not bad either!
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Val Doonican - No FM2R
