Ok, which are you? Ludicrous. I pull up a picture showing the dress in gold and white obviously, show it to Mrs C and say "you'll never guess what, some people say it's..." And she says "that's black and blue"
I was incredulous. She was incredulous I see gold and white. We both thought the other was playing a joke.
What colours do you see?
If you've been under a rock for 24 hours, it's everywhere, but you can start here, with this picture of a WHITE AND GOLD DRESS.
www.theguardian.com/science/head-quarters/2015/feb/27/the-dress-blue-black-white-gold-vision-psychology-colour-constancy
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What is everyone on about? It's a dress with horizontal stripes, which has been printed in a variety of colours in the comic. Blue and some other colour basically. Not gold in any of the versions I've seen. But who could possibly give a flying budgie unless they were in the market for something like that?
I don't like it much myself. It would make me look fat.
Last edited by: VxFan on Sun 1 Mar 15 at 04:26
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Are you saying the photo on the page I linked looks blue and black to you, as Mrs C does? Cos it sure doesn't to me. Absolutely white and gold, no doubt about it.
Weird.
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Yup. it is white and gold.
This time.
I have seen that a few times, and it has changed colour!
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Blue and black, no question.
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>> Blue and black, no question.
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Same here.
Those who see the dress as white, what colours do you see on the black and white (to me) item behind the dress; top left of the photo?
No doubt colour percepton is weird, one of the first things I learned when printing my own colour photos.
oooh SWMBO sees it as gold and white, so it'd gold and white then.
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My wife, who has a 1:1 in fine art and is in her studio in our house right now painting somethingorother, says its silver, blue and black. She's obtuse in these matters.
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Blue and browny black.
Item behind is sort of cream and brown/black - cow colours.
I am female, in case that makes a difference. I wouldn't wear it either.
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Well I was surprised because the one in Runf's link (to the Guardian) looks black/blue to me. But in the other one that I've seen posted everywhere else it is indeed white and gold eg.
www.independent.co.uk/news/science/black-and-blue-or-white-and-gold-our-science-editor-gives-his-verdict-10076253.html
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>> Well I was surprised because the one in Runf's link (to the Guardian) looks black/blue
>> to me. But in the other one that I've seen posted everywhere else it is
>> indeed white and gold eg.
>> www.independent.co.uk/news/science/black-and-blue-or-white-and-gold-our-science-editor-gives-his-verdict-10076253.html
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nope, that's still clearly blue and black to me, with the black and white cow pattern behind.
weird
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The item top left is black and yellow to me.
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Haven't you lot figured out that there are two different coloured dresses ?
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Blue and dark beige - almost taupe.
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dirty white and dark grey
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Your link looks blue and black to me.
This one looks white and gold.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-31659395
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The problem is of course, no-one is actually seeing the dress real time, but everyone is seeing compressed and digitised images.
For this to be of any real interest or comparison everyone needs to see the dress in real time in natural light.
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>>For this to be of any real interest or comparison everyone needs to see the dress in real time in natural light.
I think giving a crap one way or the other about the colour of a dress that I am unlikely to ever encounter would probably help as well.
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I still find it interesting when people standing next to each other in the street are presented with the picture on a reporter's tablet and 'see' different colours, no matter how the screen is positioned. (As done on The One Show the other night.)
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Are supposed to be viewing it as if comparing the colours on the screen with a colour chart, or are we meant to be making assumptions about the kind of light that might be present in the actual scene, and making mental adjustments to compensate?
The two are obviously different, so I don't see what the the argument is about.
If you see something under a sodium street lamp, you don't assume it is yellow. You make adjustments to hazzard a guess about what it's real colour is.
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>> The two are obviously different, so I don't see what the the argument is about.
That's not the point - 2 people looking at the same picture (whichever it is) 'see' different things.
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>> That's not the point - 2 people looking at the same picture (whichever it is)
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But that is the point. You don't know what they "see".
What any of us "sees" is tempered by our experience of what things like that generally look like. We make subconcious mental corrections for light colour, dark and shade, perspective, distance, etc.
Different people make different adjustments, so each can swear blind (pun) that what he sees is correct, and both are right.
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>> But that is the point. You don't know what they "see".
Indeed, but the interesting thing here is they are looking at exactly the same thing, whereas you seemed to be implying they were looking at different things. Perhaps I read it wrong.
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>> Your link looks blue and black to me.
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>> This one looks white and gold.
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That looks a much lighter blue (still different to the white of the cow pattern) and gold ish to me.
Amazing what you can do to a photo by mucking about with the colour balance and saturation, although it's odd how, like Focusless says, two people viewing the same image at the same time can see such different colours.
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Whoever started all this probably won't be wearing the £50 Roman Originals dress to a wedding. And she'll not get a refund - just a credit note (or gift card actually) for £50.
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Like everyone else, my daughter and I have seen multiple images of the blue and black dress on various webpages over the past few days. We were both nonplussed as to how anyone could think it was any colours other than those two.
I showed the same picture to my blissfully unaware 7 year old son this morning, who told me without hesitation that it was white and gold.
Incredulous doesn't begin to cover it. I'm actually starting to question my own eyesight.
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The story about the dress came from the local Roman shop where I live and several people I known have been to see it following the publicity.
They say it's blue and black, but there is a scientific reason why many people see it, like me, as white and gold in photographs.
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>> I showed the same picture to my blissfully unaware 7 year old son this morning, who told me without hesitation that it was white and gold.
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>> Incredulous doesn't begin to cover it. I'm actually starting to question my own eyesight.
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I have looked at the exact same image, on the same screen, and seen both colours.
Yes, I found it hard to believe as well...
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We had a car in the mid nineties - it had a paint scheme that was brown, no blue or grey - black !
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The ancient Greeks did not even have a word for the colour blue and seemed to have classified colour of objects from light to dark pointing to a very different perception of colour to us and explaining Homer's "wine dark sea".
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>> The ancient Greeks did not even have a word for the colour blue and seemed
>> to have classified colour of objects from light to dark pointing to a very different
>> perception of colour to us and explaining Homer's "wine dark sea".
Homer was blind.
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"Homer" is thought probably to have been a concoction of several ancient legendary poets, not a single actual person.
Even if he really existed, and was blind, he was not necessarily so from birth, so would have had memories of colours as of much else.
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Possibly but he was aware of gold and silver, black, white, yellow-green, and red and his blindness would not explain the absence of a word for blue in the Greek language.
It leads to the interesting idea that if you believe we think in words and we cannot comprehend something for which there is not a word then for the Ancient Greeks the colour blue did not exist.
Perhaps therefore Homer really did see the sea as being the same colour as wine.
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Interesting little article about ancient cultures - not just the Greeks, most of them - not seeing blue is here, and you may also discover, as I did, that you're not that good at seeing green.
uk.businessinsider.com/what-is-blue-and-how-do-we-see-color-2015-2
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To me it looks pale blue verging on white, and a sort of pale gold.
But I'm allowing for the fact that the picture overall has a kind of bleached look, as if viewed in bright light or the brightness control is too high, and experience says that the colours are probably actually darker than that - ie blue and black perhaps.
I once had a session with a professional artist on learning to recognise what one actually saw, rather than what one expected to see. Looking at a wooden dining chair I said it was brown, because I knew wooden chairs usually are brown. But on close questioning it was obvious that in fact none of it was brown - it had tints and shadows of all kinds of colours, picked up from reflected light, and also the eye compensating for colour mixes and causing one to "see" colours that weren't really there.
If I tried to paint a picture of the chair, so immediately loaded my brush with brown paint, it didn't look anything like a chair. The chair wasn't brown - it merely looked brown.
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I guess I've been living under a rock for the past few days, this is the first time I've heard about it. Looks black and blue to me.
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>> I guess I've been living under a rock for the past few days, this is
>> the first time I've heard about it. Looks black and blue to me.
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Things always look odd for a bit when you emerge blinking into daylight.
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Now I've had time to adjust to the sunlight ;-) it depends on which link I click on, some look gold and white others blue and black.
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The Dress - Armel Coussine
