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Last edited by: VxFan on Wed 26 Nov 14 at 19:23
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Today's Matt is quite funny and apposite. I wish I knew how to post a link.
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Thank you Bromptonaut, the very one. Heh heh...
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I don't understand, please explain.
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With one tweet, Emily Thornberry has turned the fire on to Labour
The Guardian @guardian
Emily Thornberry's 'White Van' Tweet From Rochester Is A PR Nightmare
HuffPostUKPolitics @HuffPostUKPol
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err ok, I'll take your word for it.
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Is this one of these really hardcore political things? Is it good or bad? Perhaps I'd better wait until others appear and the debate develops then I can understand what this excitement is all about.
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In my case it's schadenfreude!
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Thornberry has resigned from shadow cabinet. Broke the first rule of elections. Respect the voters, or at least keep quiet about your view of them. You would have thought that after Gordon Brown's gaff she would have learnt that.
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I rather hope UKIP win, if only because Cameron and co have gone to such lengths to prevent them. I feel a bit sorry for his candidate, a worthy but rather long-faced lady who said tonight that it was going to be a 2-horse race...
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Well, win we did - by a smaller margin than we would have liked.
I wonder if Cameron's plea to the Libs & Labs to vote Tory to defeat UKIP had an effect?
BTW - there was an election for the local Unitary Authority council, run concurrently.
We won that, too.
Time for consolidation and serious thought about 2015 and a costed G.E. manifesto, with fully thought out policies and their possible implementation.
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I visit several companies throughout the UK that all pay decent wages (between £12 and £15 per hour) but cannot get British people to work in their factories. They advertise in the local papers, with recruitment agencies and at the job centres but no one wants to know, so they go abroad to the Czech Republic, Poland and Romania. It is amusing to see signs in their factory in three or four different languages, but generally the employees speak perfectly good English.
The factories all export significant proportions of their turnover to the EU and have vocalised worries about import duties to the EU making their product uncompetitive.
Without these workers the factories would close.
The UKIP manifesto has previously stated that they want to privatise the NHS, how many poor British citizens would be worse off because of this?
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"privatise the NHS"
If UKIP privatise the NHS, then they'll be out straightaway.
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>> "privatise the NHS"
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>> If UKIP privatise the NHS, then they'll be out straightaway.
Historically they're economic and social policies are 'continuity Thatcherite' with, last time around, some added nuttiness.
As Roger observes above the GE2015 manifesto needs to be fully justified and costed.
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From what I gather Farage would like to move the NHS to something like the French model which is partly insurance based and would, I believe, actually give both patients and doctors more "ownership" of the system rather the the current arrangements.
Of course it will never happen. The NHS is what the Americans call a "third rail" issue. To touch it is instant death for politicians so we will continue with this sacred cow consuming ever increasing funds without ever fulfilling its customers needs.
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We could indeed go to the French model. It would take, if their system parameters transfer over like for like, 11.7% GDP, compared with the UK 9.4% currently. Source: World bank 2012.
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The French model is more expensive but what does it deliver in terms of care?
According to Frank Field, even if spending is maintained in real terms there is a nascent £30bn annual deficit in NHS funding which will crystallise by 2018 (short term, presumably, they can just let the paint flake off a bit more).
I was surprised to hear Ken Clarke last night reinforcing the "free at the point of delivery" aspect as being the vital essence of the NHS. It is also its Achilles' heel; there is no transparent and acceptable way to manage demand and as we have found, improving the service is a double whammy in terms of cost - as it always increases demand, adding to the capacity requirement.
I don't think an £8 (say) charge for visiting the GP and double for non-emergency A&E visits would be out of the way; or £20 a night for a hospital stay. People might not be so eager to consume the resources when they don't need them.
It's not a simple problem to solve but it is solvable in my opinion and the major obstacle is as CGN says the 'sacred cow' aspect. It has to be a cross party issue.
Maybe UKIP, as a party with built in obsolescence should it ever be elected and able to achieve its aims, could tackle this one at the same time and then wind itself up:)
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Be carefull if you put charges in.From a charge it will become a compulsive insurance system.
All you have to do if people are on benefits take the money out before to receive it.
Also the A&E are dealing with people who should be seen by a doctor.It is becoming a alternative and they can't cope.My Dutch brother complained to me how much he has to pay a month in insurance cost.Also they pay when going into hospital a fixed cost.
The system here unfortunately is abused by some,but what to do with the drunk who needs help.Or somebody who has mentall healh problems they have to go somewhere in a crisis.
There will be changes in the future but politicians will always kick the can down the road.
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List of life expectancies: UK 30th ranking. France 14th. According to the CIA. According to WHO 2012: UK 27th, France 13th. Pay peanuts, get MRSA:)
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"From what I gather Farage would like to move the NHS to something like the French model"
I know nothing about the French NHS system other than to comment that a friend was passing through Calais in August on his way back from a fishing trip to Spain; alas he badly gashed his leg against a bench seat on arrival at the port. Blood flowed freely through his trouser-leg and onto the floor.
He was whisked off to a French hospital where he produced his EHIC and was promptly given excellent attention and lots of stitches inserted; he didn't have to pay a penny. After a few days and back in England, he attended his local surgery where the nurse commented on what a splendid job had been done by the French medics.
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>> I visit several companies throughout the UK that all pay decent wages (between £12 and £15
>> per hour) but cannot get British people to work in their factories.
A relative used to own and run a factory which had been opened in an area of high unemployment (so they got Welsh Development Agency assistance setting it up). For as long as he owned/run the company they had a need for skilled staff. So they offered apprenticeships and training etc. They could never fill all the positions. Lazy people in said area did not want to work as they were happy on benefits! This was the case for over a decade.
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Lazy people get sanctioned now. At last there is balance appearing in the JSA system. Don't take up a job or don't comply with JCP requirements - lose your benefits.
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>> Lazy people get sanctioned now. At last there is balance appearing in the JSA system.
>> Don't take up a job or don't comply with JCP requirements - lose your benefits.
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Unfortunately the sanctions also seem to hit those who are not lazy but who fail to comply with contradictory and/or unreasonable requests or have health or other problems that make following DWP/JCP instructions very difficult.
JCP say there's no target for sanctions by office or staff member. While that may be true at face value experience tells me managers, particularly the poor ones, will work as if there were one.
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As a party, UKIP must not be seen to be a house divided. We MUST have sensible policies to which all shades of opinion from Libertarian UKIP, to "red" UKIP, must adhere and which they can support.
The Old Guard of Lib/Lab/Con has seen "upstart" parties rise and quickly fall apart riven by internal dissension and splinter groups.
We must be of one voice.
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Watched Brillo Pad's by-election thing on Rochester until I got bored. The best moment for me was when a hack asked Nigel Farage whether he was feeling jealous of his two proper MPs being only a Euro-MP himself. Clearly he wasn't best pleased. Never seen him stop grinning and walk off like that before.
I'm afraid Ed Miliband trod on his schlong by getting angry with the Thornberry woman and making her resign. Quite a serious mistake, drawing attention to the photo tweet (quite amusing I thought) and explaining what he thought was wrong with it. Of course Labour is a team and others may have made him do it. Would have been better to let sleeping dogs lie.
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My very thought AC when I heard the news yesterday, I was straight on Twitter for a look ! Would never have happened in Campbell's day !
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Sir James Dyson says that Europe is increasingly dominated by 'very large' German companies which ensure that industrial standards protect the 'old guard
tinyurl.com/p3d3nda
As in the farcical EU mpg tests...(there are still dumb UK buyers who complain they cannot meet the numbers...)
I am inclining to UKIP's conclusions..
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>> Sir James Dyson says that Europe is increasingly dominated by 'very large' German companies which
>> ensure that industrial standards protect the 'old guard
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>> tinyurl.com/p3d3nda
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>> As in the farcical EU mpg tests...(there are still dumb UK buyers who complain they
>> cannot meet the numbers...)
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>> I am inclining to UKIP's conclusions..
Along with Tim Martin of Wetherspoons Dyson is one of an unusual breed of anti EU entrepreneur/industrialist. His commitment to UK is so strong that, while keeping research here he moved production offshore.
Neither does he quote examples of this German hegemony. The famous EU directive relevant to vacuums hit Bosch etc but didn't affect him as he's rightly concluded that there's more to suction than watts.
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I do hope you're right Bromp, I've just given him £300 today for a DC59 which is currently on charge so I can try it.
Pat
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"I've just given him £300 today for a DC59"
Not a second-hand DC10?
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>> "I've just given him £300 today for a DC59"
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>> Not a second-hand DC10?
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That'd suck better
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There was talk of Dyson "re-shoring" a couple of years ago.
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UKIP win in Rochester and Strood came up at coffee this morning.
Conversation eventually progressed to prospects of a coalition after next general election and members of our "Fantasy Cabinet".
Who would you have in the Cabinet Office with Prime Minister Farage and Deputy PM BoJo?
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>> Who would you have in the Cabinet Office with Prime Minister Farage and Deputy PM
>> BoJo?
Jesus! I'm off to Spain.
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>> Who would you have in the Cabinet Office with Prime Minister Farage and Deputy PM
>> BoJo?
I'd emigrate to France pdq - while it was still possible.
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We'd better hurry up working out where we want to get a place before May! Might try Spain or Portugal early next year and then Western Crete in March/April. Back to Lesvos in May so can't fit too many trips in before then.
We were on Lesvos in 2010 at the last election (postal votes already cast). Perhaps we won't come back :-)
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>> Who would you have in the Cabinet Office with Prime Minister Farage and Deputy PM BoJo?
The sodding tooth fairy.
Only a total moron would imagine Farage could ever become PM, and only a barking lunatic could conceive of BoJo as Farage's deputy.
FFS Kevin... what you need is something better than morning coffee to stir your brains. No offence of course.
There's talk of a three-party coalition, God help us all.
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The SDP looked like it would change British politics in the 1980s,,,having some 28MPs at one time.
Where are they now?
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I fear the trouble with UKIP is that they resonate best with people who are not very bright but don't always realise it, and there are a lot of those. Some of them seem in many ways very decent people but they do appear to tend to see the world in a disturbingly monochromatic way.
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>> I fear the trouble with UKIP is that they resonate best with people who are
>> not very bright but don't always realise it, and there are a lot of those.
>> Some of them seem in many ways very decent people but they do appear to
>> tend to see the world in a disturbingly monochromatic way.
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Isn't that what Emily Thornberry just said?
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>> I fear the trouble with UKIP is that they resonate best with people who are
>> not very bright but don't always realise it, and there are a lot of those.
>> Some of them seem in many ways very decent people but they do appear to
>> tend to see the world in a disturbingly monochromatic way.
I think we all know what you mean. But because a message has an uncomplicated appeal doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong, and of course it's a game all the parties love to play, finding a simple common denominator and banking the votes if they can. Labour demonise "the rich", Tories try to deflect attention to "benefit scroungers". The Lib Dems' pantomime villain is the other parties, i.e. politicians like themselves as far as I can see, which is probably why they never get very far.
I think UKIP has probably made a mistake in using immigration as a focus for its anti-EU position; or at least in not thinking their position through, and articulating it clearly and consistently.
Thornberry had a bad rap for seeming to sneer, but like many who should know better she has completely failed to see the schoolboy error in thinking aloud on Twitface etc, and shown she has zero judgement - so I would have dropped her too.
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>> Thornberry had a bad rap for seeming to sneer, but like many who should know
>> better she has completely failed to see the schoolboy error in thinking aloud on Twitface
>> etc, and shown she has zero judgement - so I would have dropped her too.
Its weird isn't it. essentially a politician gets elected on how well they handle communication - In all is forms, social media, tv and radio exposure, the written word. They don't need to think much, they don't need ideas they just need to look and sound good *
And where do they cock up most? Yes any and all of those things. Its basic to their role, and if they can't get the basics right then they should be thrown to the wolves.
* There are honourable and notable exceptions. Denis Skinner for example, he can say what the hell he likes and he can be as scruffy as he wants, he's earned the right because he is one of the few really good constituency MP's
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>> * There are honourable and notable exceptions. Denis Skinner for example, he can say what
>> the hell he likes and he can be as scruffy as he wants, he's earned
>> the right because he is one of the few really good constituency MP's
Skinner doesn't paint the lily, or try to be a clever dick - he just comes out with it. Less to go wrong and people generally know what he means. Nobody can doubt his motives. He never misses a session, and won't pair with the opposition.
I think he once called Gummer a slimy wart, and was slung out for being unparliamentary - in fact, he's probably the best parliamentarian of the lot.
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"I fear the trouble with UKIP is that they resonate best with people who are not very bright "
An observation frequently expressed by arrogant people who are …..er………… not very bright.
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Oh I freely admit to not being very bright. Difference is I realise it. The scary ones are the ones who don't.
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>> I fear the trouble with UKIP is that they resonate best with people who are
>> not very bright .......do appear to
>> tend to see the world in a disturbingly monochromatic way.
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How condescending... and no doubt reflective of why so many people now vote UKIP, even if for only a temporary protest vote.
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Do Labour champagne socialist luvvies take classes in condescension?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=p80hLGqHcds
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>> Do Labour champagne socialist luvvies take classes in condescension?
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>> www.youtube.com/watch?v=p80hLGqHcds
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It's called not wanting to see the truth.... and coming up with something that you and people like you will find easy to believe.
Because don't forget, only 'their' way is the true way... everyone else is wrong.
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>> The SDP looked like it would change British politics in the 1980s,,,having some 28MPs at one time.
>> Where are they now?
They were Labour right-wingers who later amalgamated with the Liberal party founding the Lib Dems madf.
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Morning after reflection.
I think many UKIP members/supporters were actually hoping for a real "up the jacksy to the Tories" vote in R & S. We were perhaps too confident in the pre-election polling showing a lead of around 12%.
We won by "only" 2920 votes - about a 7% advantage, so whilst OK, it wasn't a crushing of the opposition.
Did the Tory ultra-spending , ultra-campaigning, by MPs & ministers have an effect greater than predicted? Did the negative personal campaigning work a bit? Was our candidate worthy, but a bit dull?
The Thornberry effect came, I think, a bit too late to make a difference to the Labour vote on the day, but I do wonder if there was more tactical voting than we anticipated.
I have to agree that the margin of victory here does indicate it may well be hard to win again in May 2015, when we won't be able to put that many boots on the ground: there are hopes to field candidates in every seat in 2015, concentrating our limited resources on a couple of dozen, perhaps.
Candidate selection has toughened up in UKIP; our branch chairman, a rather reluctant candidate - has been to a selection event, where a candidate is required to give a two minute "free" speech, a two minute "own choice" UKIP policy speech, a 10 minute press interview and a ten minute TV style interview, as well as being quizzed by a panel. He's a rock solid "ordinary working" bloke, but not particularly articulate, so he's not holding his breath.
This, in a solid Labour seat,is just to give voters a chance to vote for the party. We won't lose our deposit (self/branch funded) but we won't win here!
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>> >> The SDP looked like it would change British politics in the 1980s,,,having some 28MPs
>> at one time.
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>> They were Labour right-wingers who later amalgamated with the Liberal party founding the Lib Dems
>> madf.
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So nowhere...
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>> So nowhere...
I haven't followed the careers of all the SDP founders. Several were kicked upstairs to the Lords. If there are any non-ennobled survivors who haven't retired, they are actually in the government. You may see that as 'nowhere' of course.
:o}
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When the SDP merged with Liberals one of the founders, David Owen, didn't follow and remained as SDP. The wags then called it the Single Doctor Party, though IIRC two other MPs, John Cartwright and Rosie Barnes also remained as SDP but lost their seats later.
David Owen is of course still active in the Lords (as are former gang of four members Shirley Williams and Bill Rodgers).
IIRC there are still two sitting MPs who were originally SDP but joined the LibDems. One is the former leader Charlie Kennedy (Ross, Skye and Lochaber) who sits on the govt benches. The other is the egregious Mike Hancock (Portsmouth South) who resigned the whip due to alleged/proven sexual exploits.
Irrespective of allegations involving inappropriate behaviour with a constituent his behaviour with Russian aide Katia Zatuliveter should have killed his career. The judge hearing her case against deportation was not impressed with Hancock's evidence.
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>> the egregious Mike Hancock
I'd forgotten about him, a seedy fellow. So there's only one former SDP member in the government... after my last post I started to worry that there weren't any.
I was a hack when the SDP was formed, and in that capacity attended their founding events and tried to interview them. Only succeeded with David Owen I think, but to tell the truth I can't really remember. It was ages ago.
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I remember my eldest son Andrew had a good discussion with David Owen.Why he had left the labour party.The lad was only thirteen Owen told him to much left extremism was his answer.
Now we have two Tory parties..:)
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>> Owen told him to much left extremism was his answer.
It was true Dutchie. At that time there was a big drive essentially by Trotskyist lefties to move the Labour Party in a Marxizing direction from the inside. The word used at the time was 'entryism'. Lots of young lefties who had hitherto scorned Labour started to join the party.
I don't think the Gang of Four were necessarily right to leave Labour and form a centrist party. The thing to do with extremists in a democratic party is argue them down, if you can. Perhaps it was a bit of a challenge. The leftists were very noisy, rude and self-righteous. Indeed all of that was what turned me off lefty gesticulation and into the centrist reactionary I now am.
Sorry if you knew all this.
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>> The thing to do with extremists in a democratic party is argue them down, if you can. Perhaps it was a bit of a challenge. The leftists were very noisy, rude and self-righteous.
Apologies if I seem to be banging on, but that needs to be expanded a bit for the sake of historical accuracy.
The leftists who included many students, teachers and so on were very rude etc., and didn't hesitate to jostle and shout. But the proper Labour people, especially senior ones but everyone really, rather despised them for it. And of course although not entirely 'intellectually bankrupt' to use a phrase of theirs, they were intellectually impoverished enough to pose no threat to the party. They didn't take much arguing down: Labour had more important things to worry about.
Journalists loved all the clamour though, and hyped up the lefty menace (or promise as the case might be) for all they were worth, if their employers or clients would let them.
Er... Perhaps I should put my hands up...
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There was a piece on Broadcasting House, Radio 4's Sunday news magazine, this morning about MPs who cross the floor.
Among the participants was Lord McNally. As Tom McNally he was Head of Jim Callaghan's office before being MP for Stockport South. He defected to the SDP in 1981, though not in first wave, and like most of others lost his seat in 1983. Much later he went to the Lords, where he was LD leader and a Justice Minister from 2010 until last year.
The BBC describe Carswell and Reckless as first and second elected UKIP MPs. The very first was Bob Spink who, while MP for Castle Point in Essex, defected to UKIP in 2008. Spink was also on the programme along with a Con>Lab defector.
None of the above triggered a by-election.
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>>The very first was Bob Spink who, while MP for Castle Point in Essex, defected to UKIP in 2008<<
Of course he wasnt elected as a UKIP MP so Carswell is the first UKIP MP elected under the UKIP banner. Interestingly Bob Spink appears to be having a comeback, he was on the voting list for the party NEC elections but was unsuccessful.
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>> Of course he wasnt elected as a UKIP MP so Carswell is the first UKIP
>> MP elected under the UKIP banner. Interestingly Bob Spink appears to be having a comeback,
>> he was on the voting list for the party NEC elections but was unsuccessful.
I wasn't knocking Carswell Stu, still less looking for a bundle with the Kippers here.
It had struck me for a while that the BBC were describing C as first elected (with emphasis on the word) 'kip MP. Had a recollection of a floor crosser but never got round to looking it up until Spink popped up on the radio an hour ago.
EDIT - Castle Point clearly had an appetite for right wing mavericks, Spinks predecessor was the splenetic Sir Bernard Braine.
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>>I wasn't knocking Carswell Stu, still less looking for a bundle with the Kippers here.<<
Have we gone and got ourselves a reputation? :-)
I am quite suprised by Bob popping up, hadnt seen him in the media for years, then he popped up at conference this year.
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>FFS Kevin... what you need is something better than morning coffee to stir your brains. No offence of course.
Oh I dunno AC, best giggle we've had for ages.
Isn't there a Channel 4 mocumentary coming up about UKIP winning the election?
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>> Isn't there a Channel 4 mocumentary coming up about UKIP winning the election?
I do hope so. Those things don't always come off but they're often very good value.
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>> Channel 4 mocumentary coming up about UKIP winning the election?
Any idea when Kevin? Doesn't seem to be this week, from a cursory glance.
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It'll be just before the May G.E. for maximum Ch.4 inspired damage!
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Difficult to see how a satirie about UKIP could be funnier that the real thing. Who in his wildest moments woulld have dreamt up Farage? Just too implausible. Does make me laugh though.
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Interesting piece by Andrew Rawnsley on Graunaid/Observer website:
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/23/ukip-fewer-images-nigel-in-pub-more-tough-questions-policy
As the URL suggests is point is that other politicians and media should direct some focus on UKIP's policies and less time letting Nigel's 'chap in pub' persona predominate. In particular question should be asked about policy flip flops on everything from NHS to last week's confusion over residence rights for EU citizens living here on exit day.
As Rawnsley says:
Immigration and withdrawal from the EU are supposed to be their specialist subjects and they can’t hold to a consistent line even about that.
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No NO NOOOOO
UKIP is not about policiies. It's about protests. You just need to read the posts by UKIPPers.. You could suggest making the NHS insurance based and they will still vote for it :-)
Protest votes are PROTESTS>
LOGIC?
The main parties have refused to discuss issues (true)
The main parties have screwed it up. True.
Let's kick them then.
Period.
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"Difficult to see how a satirie about UKIP could be funnier that the real thing."
Yes, but all parties are as game for satire as one another, aren't they? 'Spitting Image' was successfully satirising politics long before UKIP was invented. And, frankly, the Labour party is beyond a joke.
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>> Yes, but all parties are as game for satire as one another, aren't they? 'Spitting
>> Image' was successfully satirising politics long before UKIP was invented. And, frankly, the Labour party
>> is beyond a joke.
And TW3 a generation before. Week Ending, although only on radio, fulfilled a similar niche in the seventies.
Frankly, all three major parties seem determined to turn into parodies of themselves. One one level it's difficult to see why some pictures taken while on the by-election stump should have done for Ms Thornberry. There was, SFAIK, no narrative with them and while perhaps a mocking context could be inferred from WVM's house appearing alongside a fringe candidate and his election posters.
She's one of Westminster's prominent cyclists and indeed was seen pedalling off home after post defenestration interviews. She was quite a sharp Shadow AG too and the current incumbent should be a much easier target than the urbane and intelligent Dominic Grieve.
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I think Bromp that she could perhaps have explained away the picture alone but when she then tried to defend it, she simply confirmed what some had already thought.
Incidentally I saw a 6 ft tall Union Jack hanging from scaffolding today outside a house, it did cross my mind whether it was linked to the Strood story as it wasnt there a few days ago.
I didnt feel the need to tweet it though, Im sure Emily has it covered.
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I've just seen a reply from Ed Balls about the tweet. I've not got a link, I think it was said on ITV london area evening news.
He said something along the lines of 'We all know that a white van outside the house means you're a plumber, and the flag of St George flying outside the house means teenage kids inside.'
If he did say that, really?
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>> If he did say that, really?
He did sooty.
I really can't believe Labour chose to draw such attention to this utterly trivial matter. A godsend to the other parties of course.
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A friend has a black van on his drive. Not sure what his neighbours think he does but he's actually a finance director.
He's also a keen surfer and mountain biker and finds the van very handy for that.
Don't think he hangs flags out of his house windows though.
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>> >> If he did say that, really?
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>> He did sooty.
Well I'm not really sure what to say to that, perhaps his idea of getting out of a hole is to dig down.
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>> I really can't believe Labour chose to draw such attention to this utterly trivial matter.
>> A godsend to the other parties of course.
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Of course all the other parties will be loving this, especially UKIP. I wonder if some of them are secret UKIP moles.
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In Ed Balls's defence, what he said was well intended, in support of his party leader, but was clumsy and inappropriate, another mistake in a chapter of accidents. You could see what he meant, but it sounded wrong.
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OOPS
"The YouGov survey also found that nearly three times as many of those asked thought the UK Independence Party leader would be the best Prime Minister compared with Labour's Ed Miliband.
The findings, which had 38 per cent of those surveyed backing the Tories, 28 per cent Ukip and 25 per cent Labour, came after former Tory MP Mark Reckless became Ukip's second elected MP in the Rochester and Strood by-election."
tinyurl.com/pcjythv
Edit: It's YouGov who are pretty reliable but the wording looks strange.. so take care it may be a one off outlier poll.
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Where is this survey?
The tinyurl link is to a somewhat confused article in The Express:
The YouGov survey also found that nearly three times as many of those asked thought the UK Independence Party leader would be the best Prime Minister compared with Labour's Ed Miliband.
The findings, which had 38 per cent of those surveyed backing the Tories, 28 per cent Ukip and 25 per cent Labour, came after former Tory MP Mark Reckless became Ukip's second elected MP in the Rochester and Strood by-election.
It goes on to admit that most surveys put Labour ahead or level with Tories.
The last survey I can find on You Gov's website for voting intention is dated ysterday and fits that pattern. Con and LAb tied on 33 with UKIP at 16.
On who would be best PM result is Cameron 33, Miliband 16, Farage 9
yougov.co.uk/news/2014/11/23/conservatives-and-labour-tied/
Express making stuff up again
If Only Diana Were Still Alive.........
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Of course Diana is still alive. You weren't taken in by all that car crash stuff fed to you by the establishment were you? The Express are in on the conspiracy and their aim is to divert us from the truth.
Bloke on a forum told me.
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There's a secret island where Diana, Lord Lucan, Elvis, Jesus, etc live.
There's quite a strict entry requirement. People like John Stonehouse and the canoe man for example were turned down.
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>> There's a secret island where Diana, Lord Lucan, Elvis, Jesus, etc live.
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They take it in turns to ride Shergar.
True.
I heard a bloke in Wetherspoons tell his mate.
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>> There's a secret island where Diana, Lord Lucan, Elvis, Jesus, etc live.
Get out of it, Elvis is alive on the moon.
Read it in the paper.
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"Elvis is alive on the moon."
Can't be. The moon landing was faked
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>> "Elvis is alive on the moon."
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>> Can't be. The moon landing was faked
Idiot
He flew
www.flickr.com/photos/62440303@N04/5683785190/
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Looks like Glen Miller's plane to me.
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>> "The YouGov survey also found that nearly three times as many of those asked thought
>> the UK Independence Party leader would be the best Prime Minister compared with Labour's Ed
>> Miliband.
I'd vote for my dog over Ed Miliband.
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>> I'd vote for my dog over Ed Miliband.
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You could pin a red rose on a packet of lard and most northeners would still vote for it as "me mam and dad would turn in their graves if I didn't vote Labour" !
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>> You could pin a red rose on a packet of lard and most northeners would
>> still vote for it as "me mam and dad would turn in their graves if
>> I didn't vote Labour" !
There are equally places, North AND South, where a monkey with a blue rosette would be elected.
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>> There are equally places, North AND South, where a monkey with a blue rosette would
>> be elected.
Only one place has ever elected a monkey, and it wasn't south of Watford.
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>> Only one place has ever elected a monkey, and it wasn't south of Watford.
Ahh H'Angus?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%27Angus
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>> >> Only one place has ever elected a monkey, and it wasn't south of Watford.
>>
>>
>> Ahh H'Angus?
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>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%27Angus
Yup. The people of Hartlepool have a thing about Monkeys, they hung one as French spy once.
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>> Only one place has ever elected a monkey, and it wasn't south of Watford.
A chimpanzee is an ape of course, not a monkey, but why has no one mentioned George W. Bush in this context? Has the poor fellow been forgotten during his lifetime? It's damn disrespectful if you ask me.
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>> >> You could pin a red rose on a packet of lard
Gordon Brown!
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>> You could pin a redblue rose on a packet of lard
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Eric Pickles (or Nicholas Soames)
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>> I'd vote for my dog over Ed Miliband.
Only my dog would vote for Ed Miliband
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I have to pick up Ed Milliband after my dog.
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>> I have to pick up Ed Milliband after my dog.
Put him in a plastic bag and hang it on a fence post you mean?
I'm not surprised really, but pretty appalled, by the very right-wing colour of this site. Some of the reactionary stuff is in jest, but not much of it. Crude party politics for the most part, as if the virtual unanimity of the media were leading you all by the noses, goose-stepping in unison into a bright prosperous future.
No offence of course you fascist carphounds.
:o}
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I'm not surprised really, but pretty appalled, by the very left-wing colour of this site. :-)
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Shall we have a moratorium on politics until after Christmas and the New Year?
I'll refrain (cue for a song?) if the rest of you will.
Signed.
The Grinch.
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>> a moratorium on politics until after Christmas and the New Year?
'Tis the season to be merry, Rastaman. To deprive us of the richest source of knockabout comedy on the planet at this time of year would be pure sadism.
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>> >> I have to pick up Ed Milliband after my dog.
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>> Put him in a plastic bag and hang it on a fence post you mean?
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>> I'm not surprised really, but pretty appalled, by the very right-wing colour of this site.
Why would being rude about Ed Milliband make someone right wing?
I'm extremely right wing, and I think Milliband is wonderful. He is doing a really good job and I do hope he keeps it until the general election.
:)
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