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Went on a road trip yesterday. Sir Nigel Gresley was the first steam tour over the newly re-opened Dawlish sea front after the storm.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9fFOMuatT4
Fab day out, weather was great, and there was a real party atmosphere down there for this.
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Really good video Z, one of your best
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Ta, it is of course a ridiculous place to build a railway and station, let alone a main rail network, buts thats kind of what makes this country what it is. Quite magnificent.
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Re: filters, I was a'thinking back to the old days and my Pentax KM when I had 'all the gear'.
The shot looked a bit hazy to start orf with but I suppose that was due to zoooooooming in.
I've been thinking about buying a polarizing filter for my Lumix FZ200 to darken the sky etc. avez vous used one of those on your camcorder.
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>> Re: filters, I was a'thinking back to the old days and my Pentax KM when
>> I had 'all the gear'.
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>> The shot looked a bit hazy to start orf with but I suppose that was
>> due to zoooooooming in.
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>> I've been thinking about buying a polarizing filter for my Lumix FZ200 to darken the
>> sky etc. avez vous used one of those on your camcorder.
Used them on 35mm film cameras, never bothered with digital, Photoshop does that.....
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What was the x magnification at the beginning of that shot?
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My Lumix is 24x optical but I've been salivating over superzoom bridge cameras of late - 64x optical!!
But, and it's a big but, what you gain on the swings you lose on image quality apparently so, until someone brings out a superzoom camera to match the image quality of the FZ200, I'll stick with what I've got.
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The JVC cam is 32 max optical. All that buys you is heat haze and camera shake (despite the excellent stabilisation)
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Nice one Zeddo. I have fond memories of that section of Coast, backpacking it twice in recent years whilst walking the SWCP. Camped at Dawlish Warren.
Coincidentally yesterday was the 25th anniversary of the saving of the Settle Carlisle line. A special train commemorated the occasion, stopping briefly for photos. The church bells rang, people waved flags, I think the Countryfile people were filming and Mr Portillo was aboard. There was even a low flying Chinook! Didn't see it myself but I work a stones throw from the station in Settle and saw all the peeps strolling past.
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If anybody is interested this old girl is doing the Carlisle - London gallop today! (1Z87)
www.uksteam.info/tours/t14/t0412d.htm
May go to the cross-rail footbridge to catch a nose-full of smoke as she passes through here at 17.03hrs!
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Carnforth station us an interesting place. Brief Encounter and all that.
I frequent the Snug Microbrewery in a railway building adjacent to the platform. Railings prevent one toppling under an electric as they hurtle past!
Great range of ever changing beers, good banter, and only 30 minutes or so by train from Giggleswick, my local station. Going there Easter Sunday with chums, 12 till 3 , feel free to join us!
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Edit.
The Snug at Carnforth railway station is a micrpub, not microbrewery.
My excuse is a long day at work yesterday, followed by gym n sauna, and a few beers en route home went to my head. Workplace, gym, pub and home within a mile linear walk so that's works well!
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Ye olde Doppler effect, nice.
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>>Ye olde Doppler effect,
cool, so we know how far away it is then.
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The Leslie speaker makes use of ye olde Doppler effect: www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2LWabuUtdM
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>> The Leslie speaker makes use of ye olde Doppler effect: www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2LWabuUtdM
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I think this shows the effect better, and slightly easier to the ear...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxdrGlA_VkI
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>> >>Ye olde Doppler effect,
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>> cool, so we know how far away it is then.
10 feet
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The Antonov An225 Myria was at East Midlands overnight. Due out at 10:00 today but not clear whether it did as FR24 doesn't seem to track it
www.flickr.com/photos/plane_spotting_freak/14221116297/in/photostream/
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In previous volume Zero reported that BoB Class loco Tangmere has lost a con-rod on the Waterloo mainline:
www.car4play.com/forum/post/index.htm?v=e&t=14434&m=354581
The RAIB have today published their report into the incident:
www.raib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/140616_R132014_Winchfield.pdf
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In the continued absence of the fount of all railway knowledge, I wonder if anyone on here can answer a puzzle for me?
Today we went to a little art exhibition in a village near here. One of the pictures by a local artist was of a picturesque part of the village by the river Vienne, with the railway line running past the church. The railway line is still open, it's the cross-country route from Limoges to Angouleme and has about half a dozen trains a day.
Thing is, in this painting evoking steam days, done by an elderly local woman, there's a train passing and it's pulled by her rendition of an enormous Beyer-Garrett loco - the sort with the cab in the middle and an engine at both ends. Where did she get that from? Did such a thing ever run on the SNCF? Nobody I've asked round here has any idea.
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>> cross-country route from Limoges to Angouleme
Does it have very steep inclines Mike? That's what those locos are for surely...
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Beyer-Garretts weren't just built for power; because the locomotive is articulated it can negotiate tighter radius curves than a "rigid" locomotive, which would make it particularly suitable for a cross-country route. The design also allows lighter axle loadings giving better route availability. Effectively it's two locomotives driven by a single crew.
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Well there you go - thanks for the help. I don't think there are any steep inclines on that line but it is a bit sinuous because if follows the river valley. And about 50km west of Limoges there's a ginormous paper mill and I have been told a lot of timber used to go in there by rail (all by road now, of course) and a lot of paper came out by rail as well, so heavy freight engines of some sort might have been a common sight once.
Life's always interesting, I find...
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And all built in Gorton, Manchester, by Beyer Peacock.
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There's a similar beastie on the Ffestiniog: www.greatorme.org.uk/ffestiniogvale.html
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Two British mainline companies introduced Garratts before the Hitler spat. All built by Beyer Peacocks of Gorton.
The LMS had a small fleet, some with rotating coal bunkers, to haul coal trains from the Nottinghamshire coalfield to Brent, in North London. Previously these had been worked by 2 Midland railway 0-6-0 locos double heading. I saw one, working off it's patch on the old Midland Manchester to St Pancras main line opposite our house in the 50s.
The LNER ordered one engine, slightly bigger the the LMS ones to push heavy goods trains up the Worsborough incline near Sheffield.
Manchester science museum has a massive Garratt, returned to it's birthplace courtesy of South African Railways.....a massive bit of kit!
00 gauge modellers can, or will soon be able to, buy an LMS one one for their model railways. About £200 ! I'm open to donations !
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I seem to remember a Garratt, originally from the north, worked on the Lickey incline, north of Worcester, when I were but a lad. I saw the Ffestiniog one at Porthmadog (I think) years ago - a somewhat different scale.
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>> There's a similar beastie on the Ffestiniog: www.greatorme.org.uk/ffestiniogvale.html
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....though, technically, the Fairlie is different from the Garratt in that the latter is a single boiler/firebox combination driving two sets of articulated and opposed cylinder/wheel sets, whilst the former is two separate boiler/firebox combinations, driving two sets of opposed cylinder/wheel sets. (i.e. it is a "Siamese Twin" arrangement, joined at the driving cabs).
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Distant memory of a Garratt on the old Welsh Highland Railway, more recently reclaimed from nature. (the railway)
Don't know if it ever survived.
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I posed this question to a french based friend who has written several books about the history of rail in France - I attach his answer below. He would certainly be interested in a photo of the picture.
Quite interesting
To the best of my knowledge no Beyer Garretts ever ran in France
The nearest would be a Mallet, but that again begs the question
In any event as it was in steam days and as the line was a cross country line it is most unlikely that there were any steam locos of any size
What is curious is that the artist should choose this subject.
She must be the first lady artist to be turned on by steam!! In the railway sense.
The line before SNCF was formed in 1938 was probably operated first by the ‘Etat’ and then reallocated to the ‘PO Company’ by the French Government.
I’ve had a look at the usual steam loco websites, but no evidence of a Beyer Garrett in France
The Mallets were almost exclusively built for narrow gauge and likewise there seems to be no example of a standard gauge Mallett ever running in France
Today’s train service according to the SNCF website www.voyages-sncf.com routes most passengers to and from Limoges and Angouleme via Poitiers, the direct trains do not seem to operate until late morning.
Ps A photo of the pic might solve the problem, I suppose it is not a lost Manet or Monet by any chance?
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Shouldn't think so! I believe the exhibition runs for another week - I'll try and get back there if I can and take a pic. It isn't a very good painting!
The line was built by the Paris Orleans Railway and still has a separate station in Limoges, although the trains run on into the main Gare des Benedictins - an architectural curiosity in itself: with a dome and tower it looks more the giant mosque in Istanbul. Indeed, the passenger service on the line is now a shadow of what it was, even though the journey via Poitiers is a very long way round. We stood on the bridge overlooking the station and former goods yard at St Victurnien and it now looks very neglected, something unthinkable on the SNCF just a few years ago. I said to SWMBO: 'how long can this go on?'
Just as an aside, some years ago we caught the train from Limoges to St Junien, for the pleasure of the ride along a very picturesque stretch of the line. When we got off the train the chef de gare (stationmaster) was standing on the platform and we exchanged pleasantries, as you do in France. Next morning I picked up the local daily paper and on the front page was the news that he had dropped dead on the platform, what could have only been minutes after we spoke to him. Odds life - as the Bard used to say...
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Farnborough Air Show 2014, has been validating this week, today was the turn of the Red Arrows. Red 7 suffered a bird strike, and had to carry out an emergency landing.
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Just recovering from a very pleasant day at Farnborough. Getting there not quite so good - decided to take the train(s), and there was a big queue and a bit of a wait for the shuttle bus at North Camp station. I suspect today was the day most people who had weekend tickets picked to go, based on the weather forecast; it was heaving.
First of the flying big hitters was the A380. Funnily enough it didn't look that big as it trundled down the runway - its proportions make it look short and stubby. I think you really need to see it alongside something normal size to appreciate its dimensions.
A Lancaster did a single fly-past, then the Vulcan blasted off. Jeez it's noisy, which I like, and the pilot did lots of full power turns over the runway to make sure we all got the full treatment. Mrs F thought it was quite menacing.
But my favourite came came a bit later - an F18. That was really noisy, making the hairs on my legs vibrate. And it did all sorts of wonderful things in the air. Fantastic.
The Harrier nearly made as much of a racket, doing its slow hover party trick down the runway, but wasn't as acrobatic in the air. Looked and sounded great doing its high speed passes though.
The Lynx couldn't compete aurally but gets a mention because of the move where it drops its tail and keeps rotating to do a complete backward somersault; hadn't see a chopper do that before (not that I'm an airshow aficionado).
We started packing up during the Red Arrows in the hope of beating the rush for the exits, which meant we didn't get to see the Typhoon; pity. An F35 had also been scheduled, but didn't show due to flying restrictions following an engine fire last month apparently.
A good day out, although not cheap at £45 each (tickets only; bring your own camping chairs!).
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Got friends at Farnborough, and they have a an Airshow BBQ every show, and we went yesterday.
Got there in time to see, and hear, the Vulcan, probably for the last time. Enjoyed the F18 doing the nose up half stall forward flight. Can't remember seeing a Super Constellation before so that was a first for me, ditto the Canberra. Arrows were good, as always and the sky cleared nicely in time for them, good see some DC3s still flying. All followed by far to much cheap lager and driven home comatose.
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>> Got friends at Farnborough, and they have a an Airshow BBQ every show, and we
>> went yesterday.
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>> Got there in time to see, and hear, the Vulcan, probably for the last time.
>> Enjoyed the F18 doing the nose up half stall forward flight. Can't remember seeing a
>> Super Constellation before so that was a first for me, ditto the Canberra. Arrows were
>> good, as always and the sky cleared nicely in time for them, good see some
>> DC3s still flying. All followed by far to much cheap lager and driven home comatose.
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I didn't know anyone had managed to get a Canberra up and running. That's impressive they weren't cheap or easy to keep going when 39 Sqn ran them. I was always impressed when I saw them on the line. We never really replaced them IMHO.
Did BBMF's Dakota pitch up? Managed to blag a ride in it a bit back, for an oldie they didn't half chuck it about, plenty of low level stuff too. I've got some pics I think and I know there are a few spotters on here, if anyone's interested?
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>> I didn't know anyone had managed to get a Canberra up and running. That's impressive
>> they weren't cheap or easy to keep going when 39 Sqn ran them. I was
>> always impressed when I saw them on the line. We never really replaced them IMHO.
www.midair-squadron.com/canberra-xh134/
>> Did BBMF's Dakota pitch up?
Don't know who's they were, three of them in D-Day markings
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>>>I didn't know anyone had managed to get a Canberra up and running. That's impressive they weren't cheap or easy to keep going when 39 Sqn ran them.
This household wasn't totally unconnected with getting them out of the air back in 2006. We would have put money on never seeing one fly in the UK again so Midair have done a fantastic job getting one back up to airworthy.
>>>We never really replaced them IMHO.
No we didn't as the future of satellite and drones was embraced. I see that some websites found searching on XH134 & XH135 allude to some of the last work undertaken by Canberra which they were uniquely suited to.
I've quite a few pics of 135 (&169) working abroad which I've not looked at for a while but just had a flick through them. The Canberra holds a unique posn in this family as my late father-in-law was an airframe fitter working on them in their first couple of years of service and then some 55yrs on we had the aforementioned connection during their final days.
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How we you connected with their leaving the service? Perhaps crossed paths.
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>>>How we you connected with their leaving the service?
Someone in the household... civilian... then Wyton based.
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>> >>>How we you connected with their leaving the service?
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>> Someone in the household... civilian... then Wyton based.
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Ahh right probably not then.
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I'm assuming you were connected with the operational side??
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Yes, I knew quite a few of them around the time the sqn disbanded.
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Ahh OK.
This thread made me reflect on the huge amount of interesting aircraft we've seen go out of service over our adult years...
Buccaneer, Victor, Canberra, Jaguar, Harrier, Lightning, Phantom, Nimrod, Shackleton, VC10 tanker, Vulcan, Tristar.
On the American side locally we miss the Phantom, TR1 and F5E Tiger plus quite frequent Blackbird SR71 visits.
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Many decades ago, I was driving my then first boss ( a fairly scary disciplinarian of an older guy with a reputation for being a stickler for propriety ) through rural Scotland on our way to visit an important customer.
The car had been polished to a shine, my only decent suit carefully pressed, a clean white shirt, shoes shone to a mirror finish, well you get the idea.
Conversation was stilted as it became increasingly obvious that he regarded me as something which might otherwise have been stuck to the sole of his shoe and the journey progressed in more or less total silence.
Then, as we passed through a remote valley, a fast jet appeared to leap out of the ditch on one side of the road just in front of us, shoot over the road about a quarter of an inch above it and disappear into the ditch on the other side with all the attendant roar from its engines. Of course it must have been below our eyeline in the valley and maybe it was slightly higher than that but it was quite a shock to see and hear the thing so close up.
Grateful for something to break the conversational stalemate, I commented "Blimey, Buccaneer wasn't it?" knowing that my scary boss was an ex-military man and might have an interest in such things.
His only response was "Well, it certainly wasn't very far away lad"...
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That's a nicely crafted anecdote. You're wasting your time here, Runfer!
Bet you read Richmal Crompton as a nipper.
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>>Bet you read Richmal Crompton as a nipper.
I certainly did. And in emptying some boxes in the attic a year or so ago, I got distracted and read a couple of them again until I got told off for lack of productivity.
I always fancied myself as one of "The Outlaws".
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And I had you down as Violet Elizabeth.
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Because I'll thcream and thcream 'till I'm thick?
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As you say.
And as early William is now out of copyright, as an illustration of the delightfully unnecessary, now archaic and yet glorious to read aloud language Crompton used, for the remaining audience in this sub-thread of one (me in future), here is the opening of "William Below Stairs".
William was feeling embittered with life in general. He was passing through one of his not infrequent periods of unpopularity. The climax had come with the gift of sixpence bestowed on him by a timid aunt, who hoped thus to purchase his goodwill.
With the sixpence he had bought a balloon adorned with the legs and head of a duck fashioned in cardboard. This could be blown up to its fullest extent and then left to subside. It took several minutes to subside, and during those minutes it emitted a long-drawn-out and high-pitched groan.
The advantage of this was obvious. William could blow it up to its fullest extent in private and leave it to subside in public concealed beneath his coat.
While this was going on William looked round as though in bewildered astonishment. He inflated it before he went to breakfast. He then held it firmly and secretly so as to keep it inflated till he was sitting at the table. Then he let it subside.
His mother knocked over a cup of coffee, and his father cut himself with the bread knife. Ethel, his elder sister, indulged in a mild form of nervous breakdown. William sat with a face of startled innocence.
But nothing enraged his family so much as William’s expression of innocence. They fell upon him, and he defended himself as well as he could.
Yes, he was holding the balloon under the table. Well, he’d blown it up some time ago. He couldn’t keep it blown up for ever. He had to let the air out some time. He couldn’t help it making a noise when the air went out. It was the way it was made. He hadn’t made it.
He set off to school with an air of injured innocence—and the balloon.
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>> I always fancied myself as one of "The Outlaws".
I suspect your part-time avatar Hubert Bott really fancied being an outlaw too. But some people just haven't got it in them, always faffing about drink driving and exceeding speed limits for example.
My favourite outlaw is Douglas, that dedicated and lugubrious prophet of doom.
Heh heh...
:o}
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>> >>Bet you read Richmal Crompton as a nipper.
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>> I certainly did.
I was an avid Biggles reader
>> I always fancied myself as one of "The Outlaws".
Never fancied my self as a Ginger tho......
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I remember thinking it was the height of wit, when asked by a teacher at school what I was reading at home to reply. "Biggles Flies Down, Sir"
He gave me 6 of the belt for that. More of a Shakespeare sort of man I suppose. Bachelor.
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I loved Biggles, to the extent of taking two at once out of the library at the age of about eight and confusing myself to bits by reading them in parallel.
Funnily enough, one of my "keep an eye on the internet for this book in a first with a very good dustjacket cos you might get it cheap and it sells for lots" titles came up only today. it was W E Johns' "Short Sorties", but the seller clearly knows what he has as he's asking about £150.
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I remember being devoted to Biggles but someone telling me that he wasn't real.
About that time I then read the foreword in one of the books and Johns had written beginning with words something like...
"I am only writing this because Biggles is out on parade at the moment.......".
To my 7 or 8 yr old mind this was irrefutable proof that Biggles existed.
I always resented Ginger slightly, I think I felt he'd taken the place I wanted.
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Really? Must venture into the attic sometime. Might be more than a couple of thousand books up there and some will be my childhood ones. Not sure why I've kept them. I guess I supposed that my children might read them but the PS4 seems to take precedence.
I had kept a Corgi 007 DB5 in pristine condition for nearly 40 years and made the mistake of passing it on to my son when he was too young to see it as anything other than another toy to be trashed. The little ejectable chinaman was the first victim, no idea where he ended up, and the last time I saw it it had no tyres.
There's an original "Sooty" glove puppet too somewhere...
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Look your books up on abebooks, Humph, quarter the price and if it's worth it, start them at that on ebay.
Condition is pretty much everything of course, unless you have a real rarity. Like, oh, I'm giving away all my secrets here but I know you won't have one and nor will anyone else who reads this, Jennings At Large, first hardback edition, (real first edition was interestingly in paperback), published by Severn House. Worth a good £200 to £250 that in almost any nick.
Sold three of four copies of that in my time I suppose, but over a period of ten years. Takes that long to track one down at a good price, my best purchase being under a fiver from an ebay seller.
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Oh ok thanks, I had thought of them as rather more valuable as loft insulation to be honest. That may well still be the case of course. Having said that there will be boxes up there which haven't been opened since, gosh, well, a very long time anyway !
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If you can't be bothered sorting them, a bookseller will probably give you about 25p a book to just take them away. If you have thousands, literally...
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Sounds like something worth investigating one wet winter's weekend thanks. Never have been good at throwing books away to be honest. Not sure why. There will always be more to read than I'll ever manage without going back to the ones I have.
I want, a beach house on a remote Greek Island, a small dinghy with an outboard motor to do some fishing, an old but serviceable 4x4 with a canvas roof, a straw hat and unlimited access to books.
Perhaps a small vineyard to enable it all.
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Just get yourself a Kindle.
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Yeah, and why bother going to Greece? Just look at the pics on Google.
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And a bottle of wine from Tesco.
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Nice bottle of Rouge Sucette should do it.
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What a skanky bunch of cheapskates.
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Was surprised to see how many fruit juice/wine blends there were when browsing the wine section of Carrefour. Pamplemousse seems to be favourite. Rouge Sucette is surely a step too far.
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I had to google that because I hadn't got a clue what it was.
I think, if I may redirect you a little, that the point may have slipped through the net a touch. I was thinking more of a part share in a small vineyard on my Greek Island to provide a modest but satisfactory income to facilitate the ongoing occupation of the beach house, the maintenance of the dinghy, the fuel for the outboard, the upkeep of the careworn but shabby chic open 4x4 and the occasional replacement of the hats.
Fish would be the staple diet, caught from the dinghy but the book access may take a little more thought. It somehow wouldn't fit the master plan having to read them from a screen. In fact, anything with a screen would be discarded, especially anything which qualified as a telephone or had internet access. Any necessary evils of that sort such as banking etc would be dealt with by a drive into the island's only town to stock up with essentials ( hats etc) and to use the Internet cafe.
I would also take up smoking again but limit myself to an occasional pack of rough, cheap Greek cigarettes. I would have a variety of different coloured vest tops and three or four pairs of cargo shorts and flip flops for the summer, some good boots for the winter and and an oiled sweater for the chillier evenings. I would shave only in readiness for my weekly excursion into town or to visit the vineyard and play relaxing or inspiring music on an unfeasably extravagant sound system.
I already have the boots and the shorts so really the rest is only a matter of overcoming inertia.
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You know the vines are going to come down with mildew, Easyjet are going to start direct flights to your island from Gatwick and and a throbbing new night club aimed at The lager and football shirt loving community is going to open round the next headland
The local fishermen aren't going to be happy with you nicking their catch and the only hats available locally are baseball caps.
Best stay at home
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and the careworn but shabby chic open 4x4 is actually a Renault Espace.
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...........and keep a sharp eye out for aspiring Shirley Valentines :-)
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Oh wow!
Look at this Biggles resource
www.biggles.info
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Coming down the A421, A1 Black Cat to M1 J13 at 7:00 pm. Saw a funny looking cloud and then the Red Arrows flew in formation above and in front. The cloud was the result of their red/white/blue smoke trails.
They were performing for Bedford River Festival!
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>> funny looking cloud and then the Red Arrows flew in formation above and in front.
Just this minute flown over - only in a straight line though :(
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The Lynx couldn't compete aurally but gets a mention because of the move where it drops its tail and keeps rotating to do a complete backward somersault; hadn't see a chopper do that before (not that I'm an airshow aficionado).
I believe most helicopters can't do this, something about how the blades are mounted.
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>> First of the flying big hitters was the A380. Funnily enough it didn't look that
>> big as it trundled down the runway - its proportions make it look short and
>> stubby. I think you really need to see it alongside something normal size to appreciate
>> its dimensions.
I remember when we transferred the first A380 across the the flight test team. It was parked up alongside the test A340-600. Made the A380 look like a right porker - bit like the 2am princess.
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We have summer steam Specials through Settle every weds & sat and I take no notice. However two sats ago I popped out from work to check on Sunday train times just as Union of SA came down the hill. A big green streamlined engine. Very impressive. Far more so than the normal smaller black locos.
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>> A big green streamlined engine.
>> Very impressive. Far more so than the normal smaller black locos.
The black 5's - there is a swarm of them running.
Should have been there to see Scots Guardsman (LMS Royal Scots Class) or LMS Jubilee Class 5699 Galatea, both impressively dramatic locos around the fells.
Unlike 60163 Tornado, the new build LNER A1 Class. Fantastic bit of machinery, but just too well built, too efficient, and therefore no drama or presence at all.
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Just a reminder of where you can find some steam:
www.beholder.co.uk/steam/
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>> Unlike 60163 Tornado, the new build LNER A1 Class. Fantastic bit of machinery, but just
>> too well built, too efficient, and therefore no drama or presence at all.
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Know what you mean Z saw it at Corfe Castle yesterday still looks and sounds great IMHO but very little smoke or steam at heritage speeds couldn't see it coming beforehand if you know what I mean
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tinyurl.com/qzey5es
The Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum will be flying their prized Avro Lancaster to England on August 4th for a 2 month tour. The Lancaster will join the only other airworthy Lancaster in the world,
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=VggD_cutWTE
Clan Line passes Tornado, ironic that Tornado is the most modern traction in the whole scene!
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Strikes me the 67s were doing more work than Clan Line.
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They were. There is a strong fire risk, Clan line was under whats called "light steam" basically enough regulator employed just to lubricate the cylinders, keep air brake compressor working, the 67 providing most of the traction.
The NR fire risk warning has been in place for the last two weeks.
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All round my old manor. Latimer Road man to raas... You're so evil Zero.
That loco is gorgeous, the colour too.
Steam engines did go underground in the early days of the tube. Can't remember the line but somewhere south of King's Cross. Of course ladies wore veils in those days.
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Not just the early days - or am I older than i think?
The Kings Cross line used to run into Moorgate ( via Barbican, Farringdon and KX York Rd) - ok not strictly tube, but certainly cut and cover in the 50s. Using the the track that was originally the Metropolitan tube track I believe. Worrying, I remember going into 'the office' with my father in the 50s and used it as a commuter in the early 70s, altho the steam was long gone ( Zero can correct me:).
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I used to use that line too, although of course well after the steam era which must have ended 80 years ago at least.
That line, the North London line, not really tube although later incorporated, and the East London Light Railway along with other eastern anomalies, were all treasured routes of mine at one time and another. I imagine the Light Railway is still there, perhaps not the others.
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Definitely steam into Moorgate in the early 50s. I remember the steam engines trying desperately hard, with the wheels spinning in the wet, trying to get up the the slope (north bound) into what was then Kings Cross Suburban platform 16.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Hill_Tunnel_(London)
My old man was still driving steam goods trains through there in the early 60's
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See
www.airportsinternational.com/2014/08/icelandic-airports-host-historic-lancaster/15941
Weather permitting, takes off tomorrow for RAF Coningsby and a bit of a service (scheduled!).
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Now here although the weather has interfered with the plans:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-28703745
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Eastbourne is the place to be this weekend to see the BBMF Lanc & Canadian Lanc flying together. Sunday is the best day, as the Canberra will be flying as well.
Following that Wings and Wheels at Dunsfold the following W/E (Sunday) you get The two lancs, the Canberra, the Vulcan, and the arrows. Hoping to cycle there and pitch near the eastern end of the runway.
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Obviously lots of Youtube clips but this one is a little different especially the totally relaxed second part.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaQ6FbDiJx0
An Eastbourne clip
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAQ3lcAgef0&list=FLGRutxNnDkzLgL0tA1HmRyw&index=3
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All seemed to be based here at Biggin over the weekend (plus Typhoon), Red Arrows did a bit of a display down the high street, all of them in formation with just white smoke on.
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I saw the Red Arrows the weekend before last as they flew back from Whitby over the cottage we were staying in.
Also saw the first train in at Whitby to use the new platform. We were on it the day before from Grosmont to Pickering too.
Last edited by: rtj70 on Wed 20 Aug 14 at 21:41
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Dawlish - Zero
