What is the difference between a £700 machine and a £100 one? When I was in the States staying with my sister I took a liking to nice coffee from the machine that she has in her kitchen.
Can't remember the make or model but it cost her about £700 or so and makes two espressos and has a milk frother at the side. I poured the 2 espressos into a mug and added the frothed milk. Delicious, but to all intents and purposes it looks like it just does the same as something like this at £60
www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/9122233.htm
Now I assume you get what you pay for but ignoring the physical appearance and digital / LED lights etc , will a £60 machine do the job?
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Bobby - it won't - it will wretched. Trust me.
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It's a bit like shoes Bobby, either you get it or you don't...
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MrsW swears by one of these (though hers is an earlier model - 3/4 years old). She loves the Latte it produces, I love the espresso and "grande cafe", and son and daughter love some other exotic coffee things it makes.
www.johnlewis.com/de'longhi-magnifica-ecam22-110-b-bean-to-cup-coffee-machine-black/p231245549
Also makes a lovely "coffee smell" as it grinds the beans and makes coffee which always reminds me of coffee bars in the sunshine in France and Italy!
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Funnily enough I was sort of looking at the John Lewis ones over the weekend - we were showrooming in the Liverpool branch - I love their stuff..
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I think coffee machines are a Marmite thing. Personally, one cup of Kenco instant decaff per day is more than sufficient. On the other hand, if I don't get to drink 3 pints of decent beer 4 nights a week, plus a good chinwag with my chums in the local, I feel quite deprived.
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We use a Bialetti. It takes about seven minutes to make two cups of very strong coffee (Lavazza rossa ground, packet closed tightly with a rubber band and kept in the fridge).
I have about two thirds of it, with full cream milk and no sugar, in my monkey mug. Herself has the rest, thinned with hot water, no milk. Without that and the comic and two blood pressure pills the day can't start properly. One thing an old dog can't stand is new tricks. They delivered the Times instead of the usual comic a couple of weeks ago and I nearly had a heart attack.
Last edited by: Armel Coussine on Thu 21 Nov 13 at 00:24
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Bunch of amateurs.
You need fresh top-quality beans, not ground coffee, pods or whatever. I use Whittards. Never had any from a supermarket that came near. Keeping it in the fridge is a waste of time. Freeze what you're not going to use in a few days.
Your grinder is a vital piece of kit. Grind only what you need for each session.
If you're using a coffee machine you're aiming to produce espresso, to be combined with milk in various ways (latte, macchiato etc) or drunk straight. As long as the machine will produce 8-10 bar of pressure and will steam milk it will do the job. The expensive ones have two separate water tanks to make the coffee (pumped hot water at 91 - 94°C) and produce steam for the milk; the cheaper ones have one tank and two thermostats, one for each function.
You need to know how fine to grind the coffee, how firmly to tamp down and how to position the steaming wand in the jug to get perfect steamed milk (full-fat milk steams best). All of that skill is gained from experience.
My drink is a strongish cappucino; 'er indoors likes a weakish macchiato. I can outdo any coffee shop I've been in, including in Italy.
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>> I can outdo
>> any coffee shop I've been in, including in Italy.
I think that translates into coffee that no-one else finds drinkable or enjoyable.
>> Bunch of amateurs.
Pretentious git.
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Cappuccino? That's not coffee it's milky drink for children.
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>>for children.
Or women, and only then if taken before 11.00 in the morning according to my sources.
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I like my Bialetti too, but a proper espresso is a finer thing altogether. Not cheap, though - a decent machine will be at least £250, and a grinder will be another £150 or more. If you can't afford both, buy the grinder first; pre-ground coffee is stale coffee.
The best bean-to-cup machines I've used are made in Switzerland by Jura and come with a Swiss price tag. To be honest, I wouldn't want a deLonghi kettle, never mind an espresso machine; they look overdesigned and insubstantial to me. Substance is important for espresso because you need the machine to retain heat. That means steel, brass and plenty of both.
That said, I was pleasantly surprised by the output of a capsule machine in a hotel room the other day. But it was fiddly to use and I don't really approve of capsules; espresso is worth a bit of work.
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Are you up to watch the cricket too, FP?
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I gave up grinding my own years ago. We still have the hand grinder. I used to get the beans at Fern's in Rathbone Place. That vanished years ago.
The Bialetti does a fine job. Of course a proper Espresso machine is nice with its little levers to apply the pressure... but the Bialetti makes its own pressure by boiling. And Lavazza ground is reliable even if it doesn't quite come up to the right freshly-ground stuff.
Heating the milk seems fussy to me. Anyway if I put it in cold I can drink the coffee sooner.
I don't claim to be a connoisseur. More of a drug addict really, although I like the way the stuff tastes.
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Are we quite sure the coffee doesn't taste better if you plug the connecting cables in the right way round?
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You have to align all the beans all the same way in the grinder.
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I was just wondering about clockwise v anticlockwise grinding. You beat me to it.
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>> I was just wondering about clockwise v anticlockwise grinding. You beat me to it.
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BBD will be along in a minute to give us the low down.
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I am not fond of coffee at all. Only drinkable as an accompaniment to a good fry-up.
Tea is marginally better, but I really prefer fruit juice or cheap ALDI concentrated orange squash + tonic water.
Water is OK providing it is has been thru' our filter jug and then has a couple of cubes of ice in it. ALDI premium lemonade (42p for a big bottle!) is pretty good too, as is a nice glass of ice-cold full cream milk.
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Corr this coffee making malarky is bit complicated what? Who knew there would be so complicated?
>> I am not fond of coffee at all.
Me neither, never found any of the fancy named coffees drinkable.
>> Tea is marginally better,
My favourite by a long way. Can't really start the day till I've had a big cup of Assam.
but I really prefer fruit juice or cheap ALDI concentrated orange squash + tonic water.
Now there is a drink I've never had before.
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>> but I really prefer fruit juice or cheap ALDI concentrated orange squash + tonic water.
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>> Now there is a drink I've never had before.
Nor likely to, there is only one thing that goes in Tonic Water, and it aint kiddies squash.
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If you want obscure drinks that shouldn't work, but somehow do, I can recommend Cream Soda in milk, half and half.
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>> If you want obscure drinks that shouldn't work, but somehow do, I can recommend Cream
>> Soda in milk, half and half.
Actually I bet if you splash some Malibu in there, that might be an interesting drink.
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It's an idea. Ribena and milk works too, astonishingly, although not half and half.
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Cream soda and ice cream Mmmmmmmmmmm.
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>> Cream soda and ice cream Mmmmmmmmmmm.
Days of our yoof an' all!
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>> Cream soda ... Mmmmm
Indeed Roger. American product, vastly superior to the gassy rubbish known here as 'lemonade'.
Has no one here tried whisky and milk? A brother-in-law of mine had a fad for it and I tried it a few times. Nutritious if hardly slimming, and gets a bit sickly after a couple, like b loody Marys made with V8, lime juice and Worcester sauce. If you're going to hit it even medium hard, keep it simple and traditional, or stick with what you're used to.
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>> Nor likely to, there is only one thing that goes in Tonic Water, and it
>> aint kiddies squash.
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Don't forget Vodka.
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Tis better to go without food for one week than do without tea for one day.
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I've just remembered a hand-powered espresso machine we were given some years ago. It has a proper Italian espresso machine thingy to put the coffee in and lock in place, you know the thing, made of heavy chromed metal with a black plastic handle, and two little spouts in the bottom of it to make two tiny Italian-style coffeelets at once, or that could both empty into the coffee-addict's bigger cup. You poured boiling water in the top and leaned on two levers, working a piston that forced the water through the coffee thingy.
The piston seal, made of some rubbery silicone stuff, went soft from its repeated contact with boiling water, and it proved hard to get a replacement. But we've still got it on a shelf because we are sentimental about throwing presents away.
Rationality? Tchah!
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>> Now I assume you get what you pay for but ignoring the physical appearance and
>> digital / LED lights etc , will a £60 machine do the job?
Now some sensible advice without all the twaddle.
Its a pumped machine, so yes it will probably do the job, and at that price its a good place to start to see if you can put up with the fiddling that goes with a coffee machine. But you will need to buy a grinder, because only freshly ground beans produce the aroma and taste. The good news is you don't need to lash out 150 quid on a grinder any more than you need 150 quid speaker cables.
I now hand you back to the "I can produce better coffee than all of italy, and my machine has gold filters stamped out by unicorn hooves" pretentious twerps.
Edit, although I have to agree with twerpdom here, generally speaking, the "pod" machines are overpriced designer tat with inferior results.
Forgot to mention, you will need to experiment a lot with getting the right kind of beans that appeal to your taste. Its all int he roasting.
Last edited by: Zero on Thu 21 Nov 13 at 08:12
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We use Carte Noire instant!
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Has Mr Grumpy got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning?
Pat
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>> Has Mr Grumpy got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning?
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>> Pat
Surely if he had, he'd be all sweetness and light.
And this place would be less fun.
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OK thanks for all the feedback - I should have known better than to ask a question like this on here. Its a bit of the red wine and music question, I prefer a £3.50 Lidl red to the Barolo that my dad drinks. I can't tell the difference in sound between a £100 or £1000 ipod dock.
I am either totally un cultyired or just more honest than most............
Anyway, the coffee machine would maybe only be getting used once or twice in the evening - it was different when we were on holiday in States but over here things like having to go to work gets in the way......
So I wouldn't necessarily want it to stay warm for ages for ease of making more cups, it would just be for making the afore mentioned espresso and perhaps Cappucino or experiment thereafter.
Agree re the coffee taste though, I drink plenty of coffees, probably mostly filtered though, when visiting offices etc and very rarely do I think to myself, that was a good cup!
Saw this on JL website which is quite handy
www.johnlewis.com/buying-guides/coffee-machines-buying-guide
a couple of machines I have seen are able to take the normal ground coffee or the pods by using a little adaptor. Again that may , or may not, come in useful.
And as far as grinders go, what is wrong with this one for £20 from JL that you would want one that costs hundreds?
www.johnlewis.com/krups-f20342-coffee-grinder/p231706515
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All you need is a spoonful of Tesco value and a kettle.........
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>> And as far as grinders go, what is wrong with this one for £20 from
>> JL that you would want one that costs hundreds?
>> www.johnlewis.com/krups-f20342-coffee-grinder/p231706515
Gets good reviews on Amazon (same price):
www.amazon.co.uk/Krups-Twin-Blade-Coffee-Mill/dp/B00004SPEU/
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OK here are the secrets of making coffee "Norfolk style." Norfolk as all Italians and gourmets know is the home of good coffee.
1 Go to Aldi and buy the cheapest and larges jar of the stuff known as "Instant Coffee". Own brand stuff is to be preferred. Large jars are cheapest and better as the stuff will last forever correctly stored ( by the kettle on work surface).
2 Shake some of the stuff in a mug. Never use a spoon, it's the mark of the amateur. A spoon should only be used for stirring. Wet spoons in the coffee cause "clumping"
3 Boil some tap water. Use what's left in the kettle.
4 Add water to coffee and if necessary stir with spoon to dissolve although true experts can dissolve the powder with a swilling motion.
5 Add milk and sugar to taste. Always add milk directly from the plastic carton and sugar from the paper bag. Only ever use long-life milk and Silver Spoon white granulated sugar.
As with the coffee never use a spoon for the sugar. Always shake directly from the bag.
And there you have it: the perfect cup. It should be noted that coffee made this way will keep for eight hours or more in a vacuum flask and if left to get cold may be restored by a swift burst of maximum power in the microwave
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"Go to Aldi" ………..
……. by all means but……
Don't buy their 'Gold' instant thinking that it will be like the Nescafe product that it is aping.
We bought a jar, tried it, and the remainder (i.e. most of it) has sat in the cupboard for well over a year now - just in case the 'other' runs out. We haven't dared to run out of the 'other' yet and I guess the Aldi stuff will be thrown out sometime soon.
Actually - just checked the jar - and the granules are starting to set solid; it might be time to say goodbye to it.
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>> "Go to Aldi" ………..
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>> ……. by all means but……
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>> Don't buy their 'Gold'
>> Actually - just checked the jar - and the granules are starting to set solid;
>> it might be time to say goodbye to it.
I have had exactly the same experience. I couldn't resist trying it, being Yorkshire and therefore tight.
I don't mind the odd cup of instant, but "Alcafe Gold" is not like any coffee I've ever drunk. Just checked mine after reading your post, found it solidified, and made room in the cupboard for something else! Since I abandoned the Alcafe I've been using Kenco 'smooth' which is a lot better, even though it's a different drink from proper coffee it's OK to me.
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I am a big Aldi fan. But yes, their instant coffee stinks. Their ground coffee (particularly the Ethiopian "Specially Selected" one) is excellent.
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"Alcafe Gold …...made room in the cupboard for something else"
………….. and mine has just gone in the black bin as well - despite the protestations of the ghost of my Yorkshire grandmother! Thank you for the kick.
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secrets of making coffee "Norfolk style."......
So that would surely make it to coin a phrase errr .... " Norfolk and good " ..... :0)
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And as far as grinders go, what is wrong with this one for £20...?
Mainly that it's not a grinder, it's a blender - or, to be generous, a chopper. I've had a couple and the Salter one even had a chamber with square corners, which became packed with coffee dust and impossible to keep clean.
Rubbish, but they all are really. The whizzing blade smashes the beans into a random mixture of irregular chunks, some whole beans it's missed altogether, and dust, lots and lots of dust. You can't make an espresso with that and you shouldn't even try; even in a Bodum cafetiere, the dust will elude the strainer and emerge as bitter sludge in your cup.
A grinder worth paying for has a torquey, low-geared motor that can grind at low speeds to avoid producing dust and heating the beans. And it has rotating burr wheels, with variable spacing to control the size of the coffee particles. It's a domestic version of the thing the shop uses if you ask them to grind the beans for you. It'll be heavy and quite expensive, but it's really not worth having an espresso machine without one, and it'll vastly improve the output from a Bialetti or a Bodum too.
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Make sure you get the Northern Hemisphere version.
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>> it's not a grinder, it's a blender - or, to be generous, a chopper
>> The whizzing blade smashes the beans into a random mixture of irregular chunks,
Yes. With a good one you can get rather a fine grind.
Our big old hand grinder has a small lever on the bottom, where the coffee comes out into the drawer, to vary the fineness of the grind. The whole thing is covered in generations of sticky coffee oil...
Fern's (and other places actually) used to sell their Kenya, Blue Mountain etc. beans in three levels of roast, medium being the one to go for. 'Espresso' roast = burnt.
There's an Algerian coffee shop in Soho. Algeria doesn't produce coffee but Algerians like other Arabs and North Africans like it. Decent coffee is obtainable in Algerian towns and houses. It can be almost impossible to find in the African countries where it grows though.
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My mate's got a fancy coffee-maker. It makes a decent cup of coffee, but is more demanding and expensive to run than a TVR.
We seem to be able to get a reasonable cup of coffee from an old Philips filter machine when we can be bothered, otherwise it's Nescafe.
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>>we were showrooming in the Liverpool branch<<
'showrooming'?
My pal has a 150€ Nespresso machine that works pretty well, as far as I can taste. Another has a 60€ Philips Senseo that also seems to produce a decent result.
We still use an Italian-style percolator and packets of Jacques Vabre filter coffee.
When we were in the catering business we had a proper coffee machine and bought beans in bulk, but we were talked into buying one by Zanussi, which cost several thousand pounds, wasn't actually very good and cost an arm and a leg to sort out every time it went wrong.
Incidentally, my friend the cafe proprietor in Oradour has an espresso machine by Unic - around WW1 they made London taxis and you still see their lorries occasionally over here.
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This is what 'real' men drink - goes down well with a Quorn sandwich:
www.avogel.co.uk/food/coffee-substitute-alternative/
:o}
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>> a Quorn sandwich:
Do you mind? I'm just eating my lunch and have no desire to see it again.
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>> >> a Quorn sandwich:
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>> Do you mind? I'm just eating my lunch and have no desire to see it
>> again.
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I love quorn and have almost entriely replaced meat in my diet with it recently. Waitrose have a few other alternatives too, for example "Meet the Alternative" (geddit) products. And their tofu wieners are good as well. Very nice roasted with sauerkraut.
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>> I love quorn
chewy tasteless pap. Along with Tofu. What is the point.
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>> What is the point.
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Health and animal welfare, mainly. I find it neither chewy nor tasteless. Goes a bomb in a home made curry.
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For me, it's not the Quorn per se, it's the idea of having it in a sandwich. Nasty.
Having said that the Tesco Quorn Tikka Masala is all most pleasant.
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I've just had a Quorn sandwhich for lunch, I can't in all honesty say it was tasty or indeed taste-less.
My home-made wholemeal bread was 'the main event' and, I could have smartened the Quorn up with some wholegrain mustard :)
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>> I've just had a Quorn sandwhich for lunch, I can't in all honesty say it
>> was tasty or indeed taste-less.
So why stick it in if the main event is the bread?
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>> So why stick it in if the main event is the bread?
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And er, balanced diet presumably? You know, carbs, protein etc.
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Eh, I have a confession to make ... I had 3 THREE! Quorn cocktail sossidges with my Quorn sandwich :(
SWMBI got them for free with the packs o' Quorn ... we know how to live, down here!
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Is SWMBI the plural of SWMBO? I know they do things differently way out west, but...
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Impressed
Impregnated
Informed
Incandescent
Indoors
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Adored ... I never was any good at spieling.
;-)
EDIT: Idolised!
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- - I'm just eating my lunch and have no desire to see it again.
Then don't look down the khazi before pulling the chain.
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>> www.avogel.co.uk/food/coffee-substitute-alternative/
Customer comment:
"I have IBS and it irritated my bowels. I had spasms and a complete clear out which I was very suprised"
I hope he was in a suitable endroit when this surprise clear out occurred.
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I won't spend any money on expensive coffee machines,my brother has got one of these contraptions it looks nice.
I grew up with having hand grounded coffee,water into a coffee filter into a pot.The Dutch use like a special thick milk Koffie melk.Sometimes they add a extract in the coffee filter Buisman to make the coffee stronger.
I boil a kettle ,spoon of instant coffee in a cup.If I want it posh hot milk and coffee in a cup.I have tasted the Italian stuff in a small cup to much like treatle for me.
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Thanks Dutchie. I'm nabbing the delightful malapropism "treatle" immediately for general use.
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I have a magnifica bean to cup. I think its probably an older version of the one linked to further up. I like my coffee and had tried a few of the cheap machines in the past but always found them disappointing.
My magnifica was around £300 when I bought it about 5 years ago and worth every penny. Its still cheap by bean to cup standards, but works well and has been used every day since I got it. If it packed up I would go and buy a B2C one straight away
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My friend has a Bialetti and also an Expresso machine, when I visit her she uses one or the other although for me the coffee’s a bit strong. She dilutes mine with more water or makes me an instant using some she keeps in the cupboard specially for me.
If we go out for the day and go into a cafe, then she will have tea so that she’s not disappointed with the coffee. She stayed with us recently for a few days as a short break since we both had some time off work and didn’t really know what to do with ourselves. She wanted to help me cut some trees with the chainsaw and help with a few other gardening jobs around the place. In her suitcase she had packed her Bialetti pot and also in the back of the car she brought her Expresso machine, obviously my coffee-making skills are so lacking she felt the need to bring her own kit! She has a Morphy Richards Elipta Expresso machine which cost “about 140 Pounds”. She says it’s great and has no complaints at all with it. I think she said it came from John Lewis Bristol. Most of her household stuff seems to come from that shop, she really likes the store.
She must be gasping now since when she went home earlier she forgot to take both the Expresso machine and the Bialetti with her. They are both still in the kitchen, I don’t know why she left them - I shall have to pop in tomorrow to return them along with a hair brush and shampoo I found in the bedroom. She’s not normally forgetful, it's not like her.
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Blow the coffee machines. The slow unfurling over many threads of MJW's "is it or isn't it" story is the best soap opera since the first Pippa vanished in Home and Away, for my money. Excellent.
How will it pan out? Watch this space...
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>> Blow the coffee machines. The slow unfurling over many threads of MJW's "is it or
>> isn't it" story is the best soap opera since the first Pippa vanished in Home
>> and Away, for my money. Excellent.
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>> How will it pan out? Watch this space...
This is C4P's version of the Nescafé Gold Blend romance of yesteryear!
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>> This is C4P's version of the Nescafé Gold Blend romance of yesteryear!
This one? www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLRJu-dS704
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>> This is C4P's version of the Nescafé Gold Blend romance of yesteryear!
hardly, its not exactly what I would call bodice ripping or steamy.
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>>its not exactly what I would call bodice ripping or steamy<<
Trust me, it will be!
Leaving your stuff behind is a woman's way of moving in without invitation.
Stop faffing about and get in there MJW:)
Pat
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>> >>its not exactly what I would call bodice ripping or steamy<<
>> Trust me, it will be!
>> Leaving your stuff behind is a woman's way of moving in without invitation.
>> Stop faffing about and get in there MJW:)
>> Pat
Good God man!
Whats the poor girl got to do for you to notice?
Strip naked and lie on your bed??
Or would you just think she was too warm, and tired?? ;-)
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We forget Swiss Tony, this is the liberated younger generation we're dealing with here.
They should have lived through the sixties;)
Pat
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I find that the better the coffee, the more hassle it is to make. Time is short in the mornings which is why I use a Tassimo machine (being a heathen helps, too).
Actually friends comment how good the coffee is - I use the Crema capsules, and it was only about £50 for the machine. How anyone can spend £4k on a coffee machine is completely lost on meM
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>> Time is short in the mornings which is why I use a Tassimo machine
Waitrose :)
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>> >> Time is short in the mornings which is why I use a Tassimo machine
>> Waitrose :)
But now everyone has cottoned onto the free coffee, the queues can be huge.
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"But now everyone has cottoned onto the free coffee, the queues can be huge."
That's where the flask comes in. See above for method
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They dole out free coffee? well that's one way of getting rid of it I suppose.
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>> But now everyone has cottoned onto the free coffee, the queues can be huge.
Generally ok just after 8am in Bath - only given up waiting once when there was one girl on her own who didn't know how (or didn't want) to do 2 cups at once. StaffColleagues usually pretty quick.
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StaffColleagues usually pretty quick.
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Partners, please. Mrs A is one. Our partner discount cards are due to arrive just before the Christmas shopping splurge. Nice.
She's based in head office, but will have to do some shifts in a Reading store during the Christmas season. All head office staff must do this every year. Thoroughly good idea.
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Thanks for the tip AV. I guess it behoves any of us shopping at that store during that time to take care not to park within scraping distance of any grey Golfs...
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It's black, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turned grey the way it gets driven.
I was doing an oil change on it last week, lifted the engine cover and the dipstick and its holster came away with it. The end of the tube had some hard black gluey matter around it and on inspection it seems obvious it has snapped some years ago and had been repaired with this black gunk. I superglued and gaffer taped it back on, and it's in my favourite indie's today having a new tube fitted. I didn't want to do it myself as the old tube left a large bit of plastic around the opening to the sump, and I'd rather someone else, someone more handy with the pliers, broke that off to reduce the risk of me dropping bits down the hole.
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>> She's based in head office, but will have to do some shifts in a Reading
>> store during the Christmas season. All head office staff must do this every year.
Hope she doesn't get the dishing out free coffee gig! I've spoken to a, er, partner about that and while she acknowledges that it's been very successful in whatever terms they use to measure these things, it's not much fun at the sharp end, stuck behind the coffee machine all day...
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Nah, she's not going in a Waitrose.
She's nervous about dealing with punters, never worked a service job before. Wouldn't be a problem for me, used to work the deli counter at Waitrose in Windsor when I was a yoot. Various bar and waitering jobs as a student also.
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>> She stayed with us recently> for a few days as a short break since we both had some time off> work and didn’t really know what to do with ourselves. She wanted to help me
>> cut some trees with the chainsaw and help with a few other gardening jobs around
>> the place. In her suitcase she had packed her Bialetti pot and also in the
>> back of the car she brought her Expresso machine, obviously my coffee-making skills are so
>> lacking she felt the need to bring her own kit!
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>> She must be gasping now since when she went home earlier she forgot to take
>> both the Expresso machine and the Bialetti with her. They are both still in the
>> kitchen, I don’t know why she left them - I shall have to pop in
>> tomorrow to return them along with a hair brush and shampoo I found in the
>> bedroom. She’s not normally forgetful, it's not like her.
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You really are a wind up merchant, aren't you?
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'>> She must be gasping now'
Interesting turn of phrase.
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Espresso Coffee machines - R.P.
