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Thread Author: Ambo	Replies: 28

Thu 3 Oct 13 11:48

Is the Uk a communist country? - Ambo

How far do posters consider Marx's blueprint applies, mutatis mutandis, to present-day UK, or indeed any developed country?

1 Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes
2 A heavy progressive or graduated income tax
3 Abolition of all right to inheritance
4 Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and residents
5 Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly
6 Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State
7 Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan
8 Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture
9 Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinctions between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country
10 Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production &c.,&c

"Equal liability of all to labour" is a current preoccupation of David Cameron.

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Thu 3 Oct 13 11:56

Is the Uk a communist country? - diddy1234

Without even needing to look at your points, I feel the Uk is NOT currently a Communist country BUT is leaning towards this.

I expect in my life time the UK WILL become a full blown communist state.

Things like Nazist schools dictating school uniforms (thus also the cost) and changing them twice a year through to things like freedom of speech (which we have less of these days in reality).

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Thu 3 Oct 13 12:28

Is the Uk a communist country? - Manatee

So lets get this straight are we going to be Nazis or Communists?

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Thu 3 Oct 13 12:31

Is the Uk a communist country? - diddy1234

both

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Thu 3 Oct 13 12:58

Is the Uk a communist country? - Alanovich

>> I expect in my life time the UK WILL become a full blown communist state.

Not sure is serious.

But if so, yes, I fully expect the upper classes, who currently constitute the Establishment of this country, will realise the errors of their ways, capitulate and hand everything they hold over to the people. Charles Philip Arthur George Saxe-Coburg-Gotha will be first when he ascends the throne, he'll renounce Monarchy and declare a People's Republic, come and help yourselves to Windsor Great Park, folks. Then he'll pick up a bus ticket and trundle off to Slough Job Centre Plus to see what they have which will suit his skillset. Tulip Tickler, something like that. Daffodil Wrangler maybe.

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Thu 3 Oct 13 12:00

Is the Uk a communist country? - CGNorwich

LOL

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Thu 3 Oct 13 12:15

Is the Uk a communist country? - madf

I must have mislaid my calendar and it's 1st April again.

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Thu 3 Oct 13 12:18

Is the Uk a communist country? - Roger.

Goodness me! :-0

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Thu 3 Oct 13 12:40

Is the Uk a communist country? - Old Navy

We have far too many surveillance cameras to be a communist country, they would never put up with them. :-)

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Thu 3 Oct 13 12:42

Is the Uk a communist country? - Dog

I quite liked 'em as it goes: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifAtvI48R_0

:}

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Thu 3 Oct 13 13:18

Is the Uk a communist country? - Cliff Pope

State control of the price of electricity and alcohol
Direction of labour for under 25s
Compulsory aquisition of unused building land
Surveilance of emails and websites
Thought-police to root out state-defined "prejudice"
Indoctrination of children to become "good citizens"
Iradication of outmoded religious symbolism in public life

No, of course not.

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Fri 4 Oct 13 12:28

Is the Uk a communist country? - Bromptonaut

>> Surveilance of emails and websites

Further interpretation of Snowden's disclosures.

www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/03/edward-snowden-files-john-lanchester

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Fri 4 Oct 13 14:16

Is the Uk a communist country? - Alanovich

>> State control of the price of electricity and alcohol
>> Direction of labour for under 25s
>> Compulsory aquisition of unused building land (brown field, for schools, NHS or public housing only)
>> ~~Surveilance of emails and websites~~
>> ~~Thought-police to root out state-defined "prejudice"~~
>> Indoctrination of children to become "good citizens"
>> Iradication of outmoded religious symbolism in public life

No too much to complain about there now.

Last edited by: Alanović on Fri 4 Oct 13 at 14:16

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Fri 4 Oct 13 07:04

Is the Uk a communist country? - Dog

Quite a tragic tale regarding the Communards ( Maltese Lud would know, I'll wager) not for the squeamish:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communards

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Fri 4 Oct 13 13:30

Is the Uk a communist country? - Focusless

I was a bit confused for a minute there Dog...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABQTl831bPY

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Fri 4 Oct 13 13:53

Is the Uk a communist country? - Dog

Nice, amazing that I've never heard that one before, especially as I've always liked his music and had 2 Bronski Beat albums once upon a time.

This is my fave though, quite haunting really: www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LJ0Qq51oOE

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Fri 4 Oct 13 14:06

Is the Uk a communist country? - Focusless

Well that's new to me, only having heard their singles before. I'm impressed; I didn't know they could do slow :)

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Fri 4 Oct 13 14:09

Is the Uk a communist country? - Dog

Oh, you blimmin youngsters, you don't know you're alive!

:o)

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Fri 4 Oct 13 14:34

Is the Uk a communist country? - Dutchie

The UK a communist country,don't know really what you mean by that.Karl Marx wrote a book about capitalism I suppose any ism has it's for and against.

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Fri 4 Oct 13 14:57

Is the Uk a communist country? - Bromptonaut

>> The UK a communist country,don't know really what you mean by that.Karl Marx wrote a
>> book about capitalism I suppose any ism has it's for and against.

Spot on Dutchie. Das Kapital was an essay on the failings of capitalism and the possible consequences.

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Sun 6 Oct 13 13:36

Is the Uk a communist country? - Ambo

>>Das Kapital was an essay on the failings of capitalism and the possible consequences.

Yes, but my list is a quotation from the Communist Manifesto.

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Sun 6 Oct 13 14:06

Is the Uk a communist country? - Roger.

www.thecommentator.com/article/4234/marx_s_communist_manifesto_isn_t_ancient_theory_it_s_practice_and_ambition

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Sun 6 Oct 13 14:38

Is the Uk a communist country? - Ambo

Spot on, Roger! I wish I had known about this site before.

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Sun 6 Oct 13 14:47

Is the Uk a communist country? - Zero

Some of that stuff is 30 - 40 years out of date, some of it is a very tenuous interpretation, and some of it is speculation. One thing its not, is accurate or relevant to 2013.

Last edited by: Zero on Sun 6 Oct 13 at 14:48

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Sun 6 Oct 13 16:02

Is the Uk a communist country? - Armel Coussine

John Redwood's blog in there somewhere. One has to admit sometimes that UKIP doesn't have a monopoly of swivel-eyed loons.

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Sun 6 Oct 13 16:08

Is the Uk a communist country? - Harleyman

>> One has to admit sometimes that UKIP doesn't have
>> a monopoly of swivel-eyed loons.
>>

Indeed not. How else would we account for that great oxymoron of politics, the Socialist Workers' Party?

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Sun 6 Oct 13 16:14

Is the Uk a communist country? - Armel Coussine

>>> Socialist Workers' Party?

... and other crazed far-left and far-right groupuscules.

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Sun 6 Oct 13 18:05

Is the Uk a communist country? - Focusless

>> John Redwood's blog in there somewhere. One has to admit sometimes that UKIP doesn't have
>> a monopoly of swivel-eyed loons.

My MP! And has been for this area since 1987 - we like 'em like that round here :)

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Sun 6 Oct 13 17:51

Is the Uk a communist country? - No FM2R

>>One thing its not, is accurate or relevant to 2013.

That's two things.

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