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New Tue 6 Aug 13 22:17 
 Endemic vs. Native [definitions] - No FM2R

Is the only difference between the two words that an Endemic species exists ONLY in that place, where as a native species comes from that place, but may now also exist else where?
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New Tue 6 Aug 13 22:20 
 Endemic vs. Native [definitions] - Manatee
I'd remove the word ONLY.

Scots are native to Scotland, but they are endemic everywhere.
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New Wed 7 Aug 13 20:01 
 Endemic vs. Native [definitions] - Roger.
>> I'd remove the word ONLY.
>>
>> Scots are native to Scotland, but they are endemic everywhere.
................particularly in government! :-)
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New Tue 6 Aug 13 23:00 
 Endemic vs. Native [definitions] - CGNorwich
Bit of can of worms. Definition of a native plant species can be tricky. A native plant has been endemic to a geographical location for a very long period of time. How long is where the arguments lie. Elm trees for example are(were?) often thought of as native to England but seem to have been brought here by the Romans and should probably not be considered as native.


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New Tue 6 Aug 13 23:25 
 Endemic vs. Native [definitions] - zookeeper
are worms endemic to cans?
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New Tue 6 Aug 13 23:31 
 Endemic vs. Native [definitions] - No FM2R
Thank you CG.

So;

"Native" = "it comes from here"
"Endemic" = "there's loads of it about here"
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New Tue 6 Aug 13 23:41 
 Endemic vs. Native [definitions] - Manatee
I was about to reply when you changed your post.

I see where you are (or were) coming from - see this piece on endemism -

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endemism

But I can't square that with the (to me) perfectly acceptable statement that you can list countries where a certain disease, malaria say, is endemic. So I'd say, by usage, that it could mean several places.

Next question - could something be endemic everywhere?

Is there a point to this other than improving our vocabulary?
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New Wed 7 Aug 13 00:17 
 Endemic vs. Native [definitions] - No FM2R
>>Is there a point to this other than improving our vocabulary?

A discussion subject that my daughter [age 8] is currently struggling with for her Natural Science homework.
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New Wed 7 Aug 13 08:00 
 Endemic vs. Native [definitions] - Lygonos
>>Next question - could something be endemic everywhere?

Sure it can: then it is known as 'pandemic'

;-)
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New Wed 7 Aug 13 08:35 
 Endemic vs. Native [definitions] - Cliff Pope
I've just looked up endemic and see it can be applied to plants etc.
But I think it's more commonly applied to things you don't want to be there, cf epidemics, pandemics, academics.
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New Wed 7 Aug 13 09:30 
 Endemic vs. Native [definitions] - CGNorwich
"Native" = "it comes from here"
"Endemic" = "there's loads of it about here"


That's about it although nothing including people has been in one locality for ever.
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New Wed 7 Aug 13 06:54 
 Endemic vs. Native [definitions] - L'escargot
I'm trying to stop dwelling too much on the meaning of words. If I do I only get told that the meaning of words changes with time, and that I should accept the way others currently use them even though my dictionary gives a different meaning.
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New Wed 7 Aug 13 08:03 
 Endemic vs. Native [definitions] - Crankcase
I didn't understand a word of that.
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New Wed 7 Aug 13 08:40 
 Endemic vs. Native [definitions] - L'escargot
I now say ........

Firefight instead of gunfight
Firefighters instead of firemen
Issue instead of problem
Image instead of photograph
Reiterate instead of iterate
Chichi instead of stylish
Up to speed instead of up to date
Cool instead of knowledgeable

Sometimes I have to think twice to know what I'm talking about!

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New Wed 7 Aug 13 09:32 
 Endemic vs. Native [definitions] - CGNorwich
"Sometimes I have to think twice to know what I'm talking about!"

Think of the problem we have. :-)
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New Wed 7 Aug 13 11:03 
 Endemic vs. Native [definitions] - AnotherJohnH
>> Think of the problem we have. :-)


surely that's an issue...
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New Wed 7 Aug 13 09:40 
 Endemic vs. Native [definitions] - Mapmaker
Slightly different emphasis of meaning, depending on whether it is the ecological use (Giant tortoises are endemic to the Galapagos Islands, even though there's one in a zoo in London) or the epidemiological (disease) use (chickenpox is endemic in the UK as there's always some of it about; malaria is not endemic in the UK as its vector (anopheles) cannot survive here).

www.thefreedictionary.com/endemic

Hence lots of confusion in the above posts. One word, two slightly different uses, two slightly different meanings.
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New Wed 7 Aug 13 09:58 
 Endemic vs. Native [definitions] - CGNorwich
Not sure I see a difference.

If the aforesaid tortoises were to escape from the zoo start breeding and create a surreal plague of giant tortoises in in the metropolis they too could be considered endemic to the region.

In the same way if after a few more years of global warming the anopheles mosquito returns and malaria becomes common in the population the disease could be considered endemic
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