Royal baby name:
Nelson - at 100/1
Will appease the former colonies - who'll consider it a great way to honour Africa's Leading Statesman
Will appease the Brits - a great way to honour Britain's greatest sailor.
Ten quid? Worth a punt.
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They may want to keep in touch with the yoof, any odds on Chardonay or Tyler?
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>> Royal baby name:
>> Nelson - at 100/1
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>> Will appease the former colonies - who'll consider it a great way to honour Africa's
>> Leading Statesman
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>> Will appease the Brits - a great way to honour Britain's greatest sailor.
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>> Ten quid? Worth a punt.
The money is on it being a girl, she is really gonna get the pish taken out of her at school "Nelson" Windsor - poor lass.
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Nelson is the name of the school bully in The Simpsons... HAAAA-ha...
Best name suggestion I've seen so far was Matt's in a cartoon the other day: Godot.
As a hack I can remember wasting a lot of time with a snarling pack of other hacks waiting for things to happen. It's an utter pain and I'm very glad I'm not one of the pack in Praed Street just now. I just hope young Godot has put in an appearance before next June when I have to get my pacemaker MoT'd there... parking will be even more difficult than usual. TV crews in particular can occupy unbelievable amounts of parking space, apparently with official sanction. No doubt they bribe the council and the old bill.
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When I was working freelance for a French daily paper, the horrible new foreign editor tried to get me to follow Diana Princess of Wales around with a camera. The money would have been good, in the unlikely event that I got a decent snap, but the thought of all that hanging around and elbowing made my heart sink, so I said snootily that I didn't do that sort of thing.
They were shocked. 'Ah, il n'est pas sérieux!' Quite right, I wasn't serious, not in that way anyway. In any case the horrible new foreign editor and his lugubrious German-sounding woman sidekick had an unpleasant dapper French or Belgian fellow they wanted to manoeuvre into my slot. So they just went on annoying me until I quit in disgust.
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Whoever it is will be king or queen in about 60 years time. They won't want to saddle it with a by-then horribly old-fashioned name dating from the early 21st century. It would be like buying a silver colour car.
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The boss has forecast Charlotte, assuming it's a lass of course.
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>> The boss has forecast Charlotte, assuming it's a lass of course.
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Oh dear - expect a lot of Cure songs and that fat munter Church on the radio.
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Whoever it is will be king or queen in about 60 years time. They won't want to saddle it with a by-then horribly old-fashioned name dating from the early 21st century. It would be like buying a silver colour car.
Irrelevant actually, royals tend to have plenty of names and the one used by the King or Queen is not necessarily their first name.
Example George VI was actually christened Albert Frederick Arthur George but chose to rule under the name George to show continuity with his father (bear in mind the abdication of Edward VII).
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>> chose to rule under the name George
Although known to family as Bertie... When some sprog was born, perhaps Prince William actually, I wrote for my avid French socialist readers that the baby was still too young to have a name, but in time would certainly have 'a good dozen or so'. I also said that the Spencers were an older family, as well as being actually English, than the Mountbattens. You have to pander to your punters. It's just commercial sense...
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I would wager they go for a traditional name. If a girl maybe Victoria. Probably way off the mark. Probably now going to be a boy and they call it Edward.
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>> I would wager they go for a traditional name. If a girl maybe Victoria.
Alas a name now forever tainted by 1/4 of the spice girls.
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Brenda for a girl: Homer for a bloke.
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Fred for a boy, Wilma for a girl.
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Victoria's first name was Alexandrina. Due for a revival?
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>> Irrelevant actually, royals tend to have plenty of names and the one used by the
>> King or Queen is not necessarily their first name.
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I know, but the concept is a bit strange to the average person. Charles is assumed to be Charles III. It would not be popular if he suddenly decided to be Phillip I or whatever his other names are (so hard to remember, or even get in the right order).
Or indeed any name - they aren't restricted to any of their actual christened names.
One of the public doubts about the sofa woman was "Queen Camilla" as a name.
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Royal have an official public name and a name that is used at home, rather like registered show dogs for example. If Charles came to the throne, if his "home' name was used, we would be ruled by King "you stupid boy" 1st.
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>> rather
>> like registered show dogs for example.
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"Royalty in transit" would be a good rear window sticker.
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>> "Royalty in transit" would be a good rear window sticker.
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I can't imagine them stooping so low as to travel in a Transit.
;-)
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>> I know, but the concept is a bit strange to the average person. Charles is
>> assumed to be Charles III. It would not be popular if he suddenly decided to
>> be Phillip I or whatever his other names are (so hard to remember, or even
>> get in the right order).
>> Or indeed any name - they aren't restricted to any of their actual christened names.
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IIRC he's Charles Phillip Arthur George. Sure I read somewhere he intends to be crowned George VII.
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Only to avoid the "proper charlie" headlines.
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.which are harsh, but true!
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>> 'proper charlie' headlines
>> harsh, but true!
You have absolutely no way of knowing whether these comments have any basis in fact. You are like grubby street urchins thumbing your noses at the mayor in his chains of office. Harsh, but true.
Think of me as a (virtual, of course) old-fashioned constable banging your scabby little heads together.
(But I must say it's nice not to have to listen to your tedious squabbling for once.)
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Excellent, the sprog is on the way. That should liven up this thread.
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Live streaming on Sky & Mail websites too... like the Gulf war... that's my day taken care of.
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Hold page 3! It's a glamourpuss!
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First pics of newborn.
not very nice at all, link removed. smokie
Not safe for many workplaces.
In fact just don't click it at all :-)
edit: as if by magic she has had a boy.
Named Lygonos apparently.
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OK, so the Duchess of Cambridge is now officially a MILF?
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I'd give it a couple of weeks, but otherwise yes.
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Imagine the scandal if it has ginger hair...
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>> Imagine the scandal if it has ginger hair...
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Double scandal there, according to one version of history.
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>> be Phillip I
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It's just occured to me that he would be Philip II, as Phillip of Spain was technically king when married to Queen Mary.
But only the 1st of Scotland of course, just as Elizabeth II is really only Elizabeth I of Scotland.
It's a potential naming difficulty in these devolved times, effectively elimiting names that have only been used in England (or of course Scotland) to those of UK monarchs only, or else totally new names unused in either country.
It's not just a theoretical issue. When we lived in Scotland in 1952 there were apparently instances of new letter boxes bearing "Elizabeth II" being blown up.
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The first SEVEN PAGES of the Telegraph all to do with Royal Birth....
BBC Breakfast - wall to wall Royal Birth
BBC South today - Live from Bucklebury - home of Middletons
Give me strength....... talk about overkill.
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'sonly the start.......wait till they emerge sans sprog in arms.....
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wait till they emerge sans sprog in arms.....
French obviously not your strong suit then Zeddo...
Why would they come out without the baby....??
Surely you mean 'avec 'sprog in arms ......
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yeah whatever, not had my monring cafe ulay yet.
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>> The first SEVEN PAGES of the Telegraph all to do with Royal Birth....
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The Daily Middleton special pull-out supplement.
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Jeremy Kyle Show cancelled too, when will it end?
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at least some good came out of it. Homes under the hammer is still on.
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>> at least some good came out of it. Homes under the hammer is still on.
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Yrs - but, as is usual these days, it's a repeat!
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Jeremy Kyle Show cancelled........
At least some good news then..........
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I actually like the Jeremy Kyle Show. The tension of waiting to see whether the kid's dad is the stepfather, the uncle, or the boyfriend's best mate can be unbearable. And then there's the lie detector test, what really did happen in the toilet at the Christmas party?
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>> The Daily Middleton special pull-out supplement.
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Obviously he didn't!
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I hope the royal baby appreciated the lavish attention it undoubtedly received while it was being born. I was born on the kitchen scullery table!
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Latest on the Royal baby from BBC ......
An honest report at last
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQZKooDv1D8
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The online edition of the Guardian has a "Republican" filter button. Very clever idea... :-)
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What's the chances of the newborn actually being King one day? He might have to wait 50 or 60 years, by which time Great Britain may well be an Islamist state with the white population in the minority.
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Seeing as he will have the "surname" Cambridge - how about Austin ?
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>> Seeing as he will have the "surname" Cambridge - how about Austin ?
Good idea. I expect they'll be getting him an estate at some point too. A very large one...
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I thought the surname was Wales.
They could call him "sperm"
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>> They could call him "sperm"
Heh heh... or 'Killer' to friends and relations...
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I have seen the clip of the triumphant threesome and their anxious heavies on the hospital steps. We were promised epileptic fits all over the country from the storm of camera flashes, but the evening sun made them almost invisible.
The nipper seemed to have a distinctive nose, and was actively waving his fingers about as infants do.
Unfortunate of Nicholas Witchell to point out that he had been kneeling on the ground, no doubt really to allow snappers a clear field of view. But people won't be able to help teasing him about it.
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>> I have seen the clip of the triumphant threesome and their anxious heavies on the
>> hospital steps.
The delay in them leaving the hospital was the result of the the royal hairdresser having to style the hair of the baby before he was seen in public.
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I thought they had named the new born.
In my local last night we were propping up the bar and Sky News was on. A rolling headline said ' Catherine, William and Baby Leave'.
Strange name we thought, but very original . So that will be King Leave I.
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I remember chuckling over the Private Eye cartoon of a smiling and particularly goofy Mark Phillips leaving the hospital.
"It's a child" read the balloon, as if he was surprised it wasn't a horse.
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First TEN PAGES of the Telegraph today......
....although I had to laugh at the Matt cartoon on Page 2
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/
Luckily I was out to dinner followed by Jazz last night so did not suffer the no doubt endless TV coverage.....
The Private Eye front page sums up all the overkill in three words.......
WOMAN HAS BABY.
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>> ....although I had to laugh at the Matt cartoon on Page 2
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>> www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/
Previous 3 cartoons are baby related too and worth a look.
Also www.thedailymash.co.uk/
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Overkill in all media I have seen. Royal Baby Fatigue Syndrome has set in.
(I wish them all well, as a new family, though)
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>> What's the chances of the newborn actually being King one day? He might have to wait 50 or 60 years, by which time Great Britain may well be an Islamist state with the white population in the minority.
Somewhere I read [can't remember where] that after 100 years, Russia will be the only country in the world with white people as majority.
USA will cease to become a white majority country by 2040.
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>>USA will cease to become a white majority country by 2040.
Roughly 200yrs after it became one.
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>> USA will cease to become a white majority country by 2040.
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It's also going to become a majority Hispanic-speaking country.
Are those two outcomes both possible?
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aren't hispanics white?
Or am i missing something here?
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so were the native indians.
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>>so were the native indians
I read they were red.
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Anyone who is Hispanic is not necessarily white - Spain controlled a lot of the world. So a lot of 'Hispanics' will be darker skinned. Some even black?
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This interest in the skin colour of populations stems from a sort of residual generalised racism. The generalised form of racism, the form built into national cultures like our own or those of France and Germany, is slowly fading away as all populations everywhere become slowly more coffee-coloured. Of course there will always be zones, countries and individuals that maintain racist ideology in virulent form. Stands to unreason, dunnit?
I'm not white. Maltese (= mixed Mediterranean) genes from my mother ensure that I am not pink-and-white and easily sunburned like my father: I have a greenish complexion in winter and go quite brown in summer. This is glaringly obvious to black people but in ordinary British circles I pass for white, as does herself who actually has some black Bantu blood, via the slave-owning 19th century Caribbean, in her family.
People who care about this sort of thing for any reason other than scientific or historical curiosity are intellectually beneath contempt, nasty dangerous people to be avoided.
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Tee hee AC, fellow mongrel here, my side of the family are a veritable minestrone. The more recent contributory bits we know about include Highland Scot, Spanish, Scandinavian and er um Yorkshire via Cumbria and back to Scotland. I too go brown pretty much if I forget to turn the bedside light off, but in winter most would imagine I was northern European whereas in summer I get taken for being of mediterranean extraction sometimes.
We're all ultimately descended from some tribe of clever African monkeys anyway aren't we in the end? Just that some of the monkeys were daft enough to come and live here and went paler as I understand it. It's nothing more than interesting and as you say AC not something to care much about if you've got any sense.
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By George! Its Alexander Louis
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"Sandy" Cambridge.
I like it.
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Surely there must be a couple more? If not he may have to invent one when he gets to the front of the queue for the throne* because I don't think either of those would do for a British monarch.
* One of the better royal baby jokes is in an Old Speckled Hen ad: that rural pub-bore fox character saying: 'Born straight into a queue! How very British!'
Up there with Godot and WOMAN HAS BABY (INSIDE: some other stuff).
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>> By George! Its Alexander Louis
Or to give him his proper title - His Royal Highness Prince George of Cambridge
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23443504
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>>People who care about this sort of thing for any reason other than scientific or historical curiosity are intellectually beneath contempt, nasty dangerous people to be avoided.
When my sister gets on the bus to Lewisham, she is invariably the only white face among a sea of black faces.
When my other sister goes shopping in Peckham, she tells me she has been shopping in Africa.
Can that be right? - I don't think so.
I used to roam the streets of both those areas 45 years ago but I wouldn't recognise them now.
I like the idea of different races of people speaking different languages living in all the different parts of the globe,
but I can't say that I like what England has become today.
I have absolutely nothing against other races, it's just a sadness I feel for the dilution of my culture,
and the English way of life.
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so why did you dilute the culture of your area by moving away?
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>>>>People who care about this sort of thing for any reason other than scientific or historical curiosity are intellectually beneath contempt, nasty dangerous people to be avoided.
Spot on.
>>When my other sister goes shopping in Peckham, she tells me she has been shopping in Africa.
Doug, not wishing to be rude or disrespectful, but that's an awful comment and really speaks to ignorance rather than regret; And actually one of the reasons I like Peckham so much is because of the mixture, and its certainly the reason my wife spends so much time in all the different food shops / supermarkets there.
>>it's just a sadness I feel for the dilution of my culture,
So when did the culture in England NOT get diluted by the French, German, Viking, Norman, Roman, etc. etc?
Its difficult to distinguish between dilution and enhancement, other than a perceived value statement. I *like* the fact that so many different people, things, cultures and behaviours exist in the UK. The only ones that bother me are the intolerant ones; which are typically not the WASPs.
I would forbid entrance to any foreigner with a closed mind. I think it should be absolute justification for deportation, even if you're actually British.
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>>Doug, not wishing to be rude or disrespectful, but that's an awful comment and really speaks to ignorance rather than regret
Haha! - you don't know the context in which it was said though (internet forums, pah!)
she has many *nig nog neighbours of whom she actually she speaks very highly of.
*Jokingly meant, and taken from a popular 1970's sitcom enjoyed by many, black and honkey .
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>> I have absolutely nothing against other races, it's just a sadness I feel for the dilution of my culture,
and the English way of life.
OK Perro, nostalgia following change, we all feel it in one way or another. But change is a constant in all societies, whether people like it or not. Everything seems all right, then you suddenly wonder why it's so different all of a sudden. And of course quite a lot of people react badly to anything very different. It isn't racism, it's sort of rigidity, narrowness of outlook.
I don't feel my culture has been diluted though. Enriched in some ways perhaps, eroded in others. But that's normality through the ages.
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>> change is a constant in all societies, whether people like it or not. Everything seems
>> all right, then you suddenly wonder why it's so different all of a sudden. And
>> of course quite a lot of people react badly to anything very different. It isn't
>> racism, it's sort of rigidity, narrowness of outlook.
Why is it a narrowness of outlook or racism to not wish the change that can come with immigrants..if you do not like what those changes are?
I lived in the same house in a North London Borough, for 20 years. I noticed a lot of change in that time...and a lot of it was negative.
I'd go to my local..and the talk would be the 'take over' going on and how many people were 'moving out'. Well when you look at the facts, that is correct, that is exactly what is happening.
There's no point putting your head in the sand, this issue is a big deal...and even some of the left wing politicians have had to change their tune, because a fair percentage of their electorate have those concerns.
>> I don't feel my culture has been diluted though. Enriched in some ways perhaps, eroded
>> in others. But that's normality through the ages.
That might be good for you, but not everyone thinks the same way.
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If you believe that immigration is the cause of changes you don't particularly like, then at what point in history would you say "British" boroughs were both how you like them to be and unaffected by any foreign influence?
And do you distinguish between "white" foreigner influence e.g. Aus, US, Dutch etc. and "non-white" foreigner e.g. African or Asian continents.
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>> If you believe that immigration is the cause of changes you don't particularly like, then
>> at what point in history would you say "British" boroughs were both how you like
>> them to be and unaffected by any foreign influence?
I don't really know what you mean. You are asking me to choose a point in history?
My Borough or where I lived in that Borough was gradually declining. Graffiti is getting worse, anti-social behaviour also. Crime is rising, the newsagents across the road was having armed robberies every 8 or 9 months, whereas when I first went there it didn't happen at all, etc. It was a gradual effect.
Some of it in the big scheme of things was at the lower end of things, but still annoying...such as someone leaving their car on the pavement o/s my house, to visit the newsagent, and leaving some awful thumping music on exceptionally loud...it never seemed to be like that, but has now become a norm.
General selfishness really. Lack of standards, respect for others.
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>> And do you distinguish between "white" foreigner influence e.g. Aus, US, Dutch etc. and "non-white"
>> foreigner e.g. African or Asian continents.
Depends on the behaviours e.g. 'spitting'. Some cultures don't even think about it, I think it is gross.
Dumping of furniture from your rented house in the street, doesn't matter where you are from..take the damned stuff down to the dump. Have some respect for the rest of us that do not do that.
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>> Some of it in the big scheme of things was at the lower end of
>> things, but still annoying...such as someone leaving their car on the pavement o/s my house,
>> to visit the newsagent, and leaving some awful thumping music on exceptionally loud...it never seemed
>> to be like that, but has now become a norm.
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>> General selfishness really. Lack of standards, respect for others.
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>> >> And do you distinguish between "white" foreigner influence e.g. Aus, US, Dutch etc. and
>> "non-white"
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>> Depends on the behaviours e.g. 'spitting'. Some cultures don't even think about it, I think
>> it is gross.
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>> Dumping of furniture from your rented house in the street, doesn't matter where you are
>> from..take the damned stuff down to the dump. Have some respect for the rest of
>> us that do not do that.
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I think I should have added, that when I bought the house, I did so safe in the knowledge that it was not near the low life white British folk that we have in this country...because that would have irritated equally so....and there would have been expansion from a neighbouring problematic Borough into the one I lived...and some of that would have been immigrants and some of that would have been people that were British.
Either way, the place was going backwards with its standards and that didn't fit with me.
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>> Depends on the behaviours e.g. 'spitting'. Some cultures don't even think about it, I think
>> it is gross.
We're in luck: tinyurl.com/mpwmcgf (DM)
(nice picture!)
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Well Wp, it's a free country and people can move when they want to. No doubt annoying neighbours have often led to such decisions. I don't doubt what you say: you are describing the inevitable change. It isn't the same for everyone of course.
Let me describe a sort of inverted version of the 'takeover' your neighbours were winding you up about in the pub. When I first lived in Notting Hill in the fifties the run-down, subdivided houses were mainly owned by very gangsterish slum landlords and the population was a mix of artsy fartsy bohemian types, recent Caribbean immigrants and old working class (and bourgeois) residents. I loved it in those days but was young and what did I know? Kept in touch down there over the years and came back to live there in the seventies, staying until very recently. Most of the former population has gone and been replaced by rich people of one sort and another. The Rachmans and Raymond Nashes sold out years ago and property prices have become astronomical. To me it's far from an improvement and I did my share of griping about it in the pub (as it were).
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I was in a very pretty part of southern north Wales last Thursday with work - spent some time loitering about the town. Mix of languages included Welsh and Eastern European - by far the strongest English accents were Brummies. White flight from that city I was told by a local.
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>> White flight from that city I was told by a local.
Welsh gossip is self-embroidering I seem to remember Rob.
But ... just as long as these ghastly Brummy whites don't come and live near me... wouldn't surprise me if some of them turned out to be UKIP voters or worse.
NIMBY!
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>>OK Perro, nostalgia following change, we all feel it in one way or another. But change is a constant in all societies, whether people like it or not
Yep, reckon so Sire, I don't want to get into a big debate about it though, or upset anyone, I live far from the madding crowd anyway, by choice, and although I do care for the country I once knew, I know that nothing I can say would ever bring that back.
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>> Enriched in some ways perhaps, eroded in others.
And thinking about it, most of the erosion has been done by native British of all stripes, left and right, cultured and otherwise. Most of the things we complain about most bitterly have been foisted on us by our own, often with our tacit connivance.
But as for 'my culture' being diluted or swamped, that's just wimpish. Thanks to our large enterprising nation and its bustling imperialist past, its culture is far too enormous to be shifted much by a few johnny-come-lately foreigners.
Our native tendency to moan endlessly about trivia is more of a threat than the odd Midlands ghetto, seems to me.
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>> But as for 'my culture'
The phrase "my culture" or "their culture" almost makes me sympathise with Goring's reported remark:
"When I hear the word culture I reach for my Browning".
He was the only nazi with a sense of humour, and the nearest with any claim to being cultured.
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>So a lot of 'Hispanics' will be darker skinned. Some even black?
Cuba is a very mixed society and the population varies in skin colour from black to Anglo pink with every shade inbetween.
It's the only place I've been to where no-one gives a damn about the colour of your skin. Unless you've forgotten the sunblock and overdone it in which case the barmen will laugh at you :-)
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so the royal sprog will be called George Alexander then? it will probably get the unfortunate title of "Ali G" when the papers realise :)
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George I was Geoge Louis, Elector of Hanover, before becoming king.
Someone in royal circles knows his history.
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Another George!
It's rather popular in this immediate locality so if you shout George here in a stern voice you get our dog to heel, the old boy over the back pops his head over the fence and the 7yr old lad next door wonders what he's done wrong.
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Putting to one side that it's a wonderful name, thankfully they didn't take Beckhams advice.
www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/23311594
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I love the Mash. Very funny and strangely inoffensive somehow. My kind of bad taste.
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Worth a punt - Royal sprog - Robin O'Reliant
