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Thread Author: Dog	Replies: 75

New Mon 29 Apr 13 16:55   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

I thought that would get your interest :) I read an article a couple of weeks ago about male chicks being put into a grinder while still alive: www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/01/chicks-being-ground-up-al_n_273652.html I've not bought any eggs since but, I'm wondering does this go on in the UK? How about peeps that keep a few hens and sell their eggs at the garden gate, what happens to their male chicks? I miss me eggs! Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 29 Apr 13 17:12   Where do all the male chicks go - Fullchat

It pays to not think to carefully as to how the relatively cheap factory produced products land on our tables. Like the horse meat 'scandal' it comes as no surprise. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 29 Apr 13 17:20   Where do all the male chicks go - Meldrew

Where I live the male chicks are gassed and sold @ £10 per thousand to the local hawk and owl sanctuary. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 29 Apr 13 17:25   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

>>It pays to not think to carefully as to how the relatively cheap factory produced products land on our tables. Like the horse meat 'scandal' it comes as no surprise. I buy free range organic eggs, I'd have thought the free range organic male chicks would have fared somewhat differently :( >>Where I live the male chicks are gassed and sold @ £10 per thousand to the local hawk and owl sanctuary. A sight better then being thrown alive into the mincer though Melders. Last edited by: Dog on Mon 29 Apr 13 at 17:26 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 29 Apr 13 17:27   Where do all the male chicks go - Runfer D'Hills

A school friend got a job at a chicken processing plant in the summer between school and him going on to uni. That of course was back in the late 1970's so things may have changed. The company also at that time employed some workers who were resident in a nearby mental health institution but who were considered well enough to cope with the low skill work. Suffice it to say, although he was a meat eater prior to working there, he has been a lifelong vegetarian since. I won't disgust you with what he has told us, but I can see how he reached his decision. I do very much hope much tighter controls as to the treatment of the birds is in place now though. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 29 Apr 13 17:30   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

>>I do very much hope much tighter controls as to the treatment of the birds is in place now though. They probably are, thanks to the EEC, but I will find out. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 29 Apr 13 21:56   Where do all the male chicks go - Harleyman

Here's the gen from Wiki. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_culling The macerator method might seem downright unpleasant but I would suggest it would also be quick and painless. Culling of surplus young stock isn't just a problem in the poultry industry of course; my job takes me to dairy farms on a regular basis where there's inevitably a pen of incredibly cute-looking bull calves which often end up being shot. I've yet to meet a farmer who gets any satisfaction from it but because dairy bulls do not convert into useful beef even if castrated, and furthermore are very aggressive compared breeds such as Herefords, it's the only viable alternative from a commercial point of view. Last edited by: Harleyman on Mon 29 Apr 13 at 21:57 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 29 Apr 13 22:14   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

Thanks for that Hm, not an ideal situation at all IMHO :( Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 29 Apr 13 22:53   Where do all the male chicks go - Harleyman

>> Thanks for that Hm, not an ideal situation at all IMHO :( >> No; and even the farmers would agree with that. Our local Freecycle has more offers for cockerels being given away than possibly anything else. They soon lose their fluffy cuteness and morph into aggressive, noisy pests which simply have to be culled if the hens are to get any peace; and by implication if you are going to get any of those nice free-range eggs. At the risk of dragging up an old chestnut, It's questionable whether those day-olds suffer any more or less in the macerator than the ones Reynard kills when he gets into the roost. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 07:50   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

>>It's questionable whether those day-olds suffer any more or less in the macerator than the ones Reynard kills when he gets into the roost. Hehe! - nice one, I had to look that up :) Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 08:45   Where do all the male chicks go - TeeCee

>> >>It's questionable whether those day-olds suffer any more or less in the macerator than the >> ones Reynard kills when he gets into the roost. >> I'm reminded of an outcry a few years ago when Dutch (if memory serves) customs intercepted a shipment of live Asian squirrels. A protected species and illegal to trade in. Having got 'em, the next thing is deciding what to do with them. Looking at the book, they find it says that seized illegal goods are to be destroyed, so they fed the whole lot through a wood chipper(!) Cue outcries of righteous indignation at the chopping of live cute furry animals into small pieces from all corners of the world. When asked to justify their behaviour, the head of Dutch customs came out with a comment that I found rather amusing. From memory; "They wouldn't have felt any pain. Well, no more than you or I would if we were fed through a wood chipper.".... Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 29 Apr 13 17:31   Where do all the male chicks go - Fursty Ferret

Yes, of course it goes on in the UK. RSPCA approved, however, which means it must be alright. Though it could be they've been too busy embroiling themselves in legal battles to actually pay any attention. It is, IMHO, a largely useless money-wasting organisation, mostly staffed by failed traffic wardens. Just a shame that it tends to steal the limelight from many far more focussed and capable charities. Last edited by: Fursty Ferret on Mon 29 Apr 13 at 17:32 Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 29 Apr 13 17:49   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

>>RSPCA approved Nuff sed! >>a largely useless money-wasting organisation, mostly staffed by failed traffic wardens. Just a shame that it tends to steal the limelight from many far more focussed and capable charities. Absolutely, but then aren't a lot of charities the same to a greater or lesser degree, we were talking to the car dealer in Havant yesterday (he didn't arf go on!) about the RSPCA. He was telling us about a managers job with the RSPCA being advertised ... £90,000 pa. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 29 Apr 13 17:48   Where do all the male chicks go - crocks

I've got adverts for chicken fencing now. At least no signs yet of anything inspired by budgie smuggling! Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 29 Apr 13 17:51   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

I don't see any adverts = G/Crome + Adblock + Ghostery. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 29 Apr 13 21:56   Where do all the male chicks go - BobbyG

Humph, was that out Newbridge way?? Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 29 Apr 13 21:24   Where do all the male chicks go - Manatee

>> How about peeps that keep a few hens and sell their eggs at the garden >> gate, what happens to their male chicks? >> >> I miss me eggs! We keep chickens, Bluebells at the moment. (three currently, so not eggsactly intensive). Contrary to common belief, you don't need a cockadoodle to get eggs. They just lay them, about 6 a week each. Of course we buy the chickens at some point, and the people who sell them have the male chick problem. My pal used to get bags full when he kept snakes. Laying hens and eating birds are different breeds, commercially, so the male chicks are no use. Actually what puts me off commercial eggs more is that the hens are discarded when they stop laying so much. After about two years, the frequency drops off. Not a problem for us, but the commercial producers replace their hens regularly. You can get "battery Berthas"for nothing if you want your own garden hens. The eggs from ours are better than the supermarket jobs, even the free range. Ours get grass and whatever else they can scratch up or catch as well as the layers' pellets. They also get corn and cut maize which they like. The free range ones might as well be cooped up, from a diet point of view. They can range if they like, but there's not much point if there's only bare earth, so they mainly stay in the sheds anyway. You do get the garden gate producers who may have genuinely free range hens, i.e. with somewhere worthwhile to roam. Ours range rather too freely some times, and the neighbours come and report seeing them down the road (which they are presumably trying to cross). Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 29 Apr 13 21:39   Where do all the male chicks go - MD

Changing Hens is no different to changing Ewes. They are both just an item on the balance sheet. Care, real care does not come in to it. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 29 Apr 13 21:50   Where do all the male chicks go - Manatee

>> Changing Hens is no different to changing Ewes. They are both just an item on >> the balance sheet. Care, real care does not come in to it. Necessarily of course, as far as the changing goes. If they kept the hens into retirement, they would go broke. Ours usually get foxed before they die of old age :-( Worth keeping though - supermarket eggs always taste fishy to me. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 29 Apr 13 21:52   Where do all the male chicks go - MD

>> Worth keeping though - supermarket eggs always taste fishy to me. >> As does commercial Bacon. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 29 Apr 13 21:56   Where do all the male chicks go - Manatee

That reminds me of the difference between involvement, and commitment. When it comes to bacon and eggs, the hen is involved, but the pig is committed. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 29 Apr 13 22:19   Where do all the male chicks go - BiggerBadderDave

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New Mon 29 Apr 13 22:21   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

>>You do get the garden gate producers who may have genuinely free range hens, i.e. with somewhere worthwhile to roam I'll have to have a word with the people I see on one of my walks who keep chickens and sell their eggs. I used to buy free range organic eggs but even then I noticed on the box (in very small print) these eggs are vaccinated against sam 'n ella! Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 29 Apr 13 22:42   Where do all the male chicks go - MD

Our 'Garden gate sellers' (£1.00 for six) have everything stamped on their boxes. Sainsbury's. Tesco. Blah blah. And they are simply the best eggs you will ever taste. No contest. Reply to this message | Report message

New Mon 29 Apr 13 23:41   Where do all the male chicks go - CGNorwich

Determining the sex of one day old chicks is a specialist job and pays very well. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 08:39   Where do all the male chicks go - Cliff Pope

I don't think we should delude ourselves that "free range" or "organic" chickens and eggs somehow manage to avoid the male chick problem. One thing is certain - they kill them somehow. When we kept hens and had a cockerel we kept the female chicks for replacement stock, and wrung the necks of the males as soon as it was obvious which was which. Once we mistakenly reprieved a particularly handsome male. It nearly murdered the resident cockerel, and then started attacking hens, plants, cats, etc. I couldn't get a clear sight on it with a shotgun for fear of collateral damage, and in the end was reduced to chasing it with a spade and bashing its head off. A mincer at 2 days old would have been kinder all round. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 08:44   Where do all the male chicks go - Cliff Pope

And here's another question - where do male calves go? To make a cow produce milk, it has to produce a calf periodically. 50% of the calves will be male. Beef cattle are usually different breeds from dairy cattle, so what happens to the young male dairy calves? Processed meat? Dog food? Where do vegetarian milk drinkers get their milk? Last edited by: Cliff Pope on Tue 30 Apr 13 at 08:44 Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 09:30   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

Yus, it's amazing how violent this ere blimmin being alive business is, I should imagine it's the same on most worlds to a greater or lesser extent although I can't really imagine that an ET some 1 million or 1 billion years in advance of our stage of evolution would still resort to the mass slaughter of animals and fish like we do, at the moment. I was a'thinking at 5.30am this morning (like ya do) about these ere blimmin eggs and do I really want to start eating them again anyway, then I thought about the fish caught in nets and hauled up out of their environment to suffer an agonising death on the deck of some factory ship somewhere. Oh dear! - then I started to think about leather ... and about my shoes etc. etc. Perhaps I think too much,always have done really, but more-so since coming to this cottage where I am surrounded by furry creatures trying to live and survive and bring up their offspring, just like we do. Damn you God, it could have been so much better. Reply to this message | Report message       1

New Tue 30 Apr 13 09:44   Where do all the male chicks go - CGNorwich

What about vegetables Dog? Is it morally OK to eat a salad alive just because the component parts don't feel pain? Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 11:01   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

>>What about vegetables Dog? Is it morally OK to eat a salad alive just because the component parts don't feel pain? Don't you start! - I had that arguement discussion 15 years ago with my veggie friends :) Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 10:08   Where do all the male chicks go - Crankcase

Don't get too hung up on it Dog, otherwise you'll start worrying about all the little life forms such as bacteria that are just trying to make a living like you and me, but your body says "no" and kills them off without you even knowing about it. You're probably killing about a billion things a day just by being alive. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 11:05   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

>>Don't get too hung up on it Dog, otherwise you'll start worrying about all the little life forms Too blimmin right Cc, I've thought about that too more-than once. I think Crowley have had the best philosophy in Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 09:49   Where do all the male chicks go - Alanovich

>> Where do vegetarian milk drinkers get their milk? I'm only a borderline vegetarian (only eat meat when presented with it by others as I don't like to make a fuss, but I do eat fish and eggs of my own preparation), but I get mine from soya beans. I don't think there's a word for the kind of diet I follow. A few dozen innocent prawns have given their lives for my lunch today. There's contradiction and hypocrisy in what I do, but even a vegan diet has its drawbacks in moral terms, and it's very hard to follow one (although I did manage it for 2 years a while back - it was a struggle every day). Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 10:05   Where do all the male chicks go - Manatee

Would it be better to raise all the cockerels for meat, then kill them? What if we banned the slaughtering of animals? There would be very few domestic fowl and cattle I suppose, and only the very wealthy would eat eggs and drink milk as care homes would be needed for all the retired females and redundant males. We'd be overrun with deer. Would we also ban pesticides and accord rats the same privileges as other animals? Do vegans swat flies? Or trap/poison mice? What seems cruel depends a lot on your point of view. Anyway, we look after the chickens and if they get upset they stop laying! We don't generally anthropomorphise BTW - but it's pretty obvious what they "like" so we try to give it to them. In return we get some very nice eggs. Their freedom means that they are at risk from foxes, but that seems a reasonable price to pay. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 11:07   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

I'm going to think on that one Manatee, while I go out for a walk in the Spring sunshine, and buy some eggs at the garden gate while I'm at it. :-)) Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 12:51   Where do all the male chicks go - Manatee

We let friends have our surplus, £1/half dozen if they want to pay, as they usually do. We always give them the newest. The chickens helpfully write the laying date on the end of the egg with a pencil. New ones are much better for poaching. Should we come to Cornwall we'll bring you half a doz. The boss keeps reminding me it's over 30 years since we've been! Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 13:49   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

>>Do vegans swat flies I like that one! .. a Buddhist wouldn't, not a true Buddhist anyway. >>We don't generally anthropomorphise Yet another word I've had to look up :) Cornwall has changed a lot in 30 years effendi, and not necessarily for the better either, faster roads, faster people, housing estates popping up all over the place, I was explaining to my sister about all the palaver I had in getting 2 x 19kg bottles of propane delivered, and this is in Cornwall, I said, why not Cornwall, came the reply, indeed. I used to love coming to Cornwall from my council flat back in the early 80's, it cast its spell on me quite quickly and I simply had to live down here, been here over 15 years now and I often think about about going to live in Cyprus or the Canaries, but I don't think I could leave Cornwall now, I've sort-of become a bit Cornish if you like, I know the Cornish (The Real) people very well, and have an affection for them. Anyway, I've bought a dozen new laid eggs from the garden gate, I mentioned to Farmer Giles about the article I read regarding the plight of the male chicks, he told me that a lot of male Holsteins are also killed and sent to the knackers yard because there is 'no use for them', such is life :( Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 13:03   Where do all the male chicks go - Cliff Pope

>> Would it be better to raise all the cockerels for meat, then kill them? >> They would have to be kept in solitary confinement for their own protection, a bit like sex-offenders. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 14:43   Where do all the male chicks go - Armel Coussine

Distasteful though it is, Perro's rumour that little cheeping yellow fuzzballs are being tossed live into a mincer is believable. Probably the resulting slurry is mixed with other nutrients and fed to their mothers to maintain egg production. Capitalism has no shame. Stand by for mad chicken disease... Visited a chicken and egg unit in the Sahara once, a charitable gift to a large population of displaced refugees living in camps in a fairly desolate and hostile region from a liberal Nordic country. It was a vast hangar in the middle of nowhere, air conditioned and kept in permanent fluorescent twilight, filled with stack upon stack of five-fowl chickenwire cages. Floors - chickenwire with no straw or anything - sloping forward so that eggs could roll into a trough for collection. The cages were too low for the chickens to stand up straight and they had been savaging each other's heads and necks despite clipped beaks. The air conditioning was nice but the stench wasn't. Worst of all was the moaning dirge of avian despair from tens of thousands of chickens saying repeatedly 'Oh, faaaaaaaack...' in tones of the utmost misery. The unit was certainly helping to feed needy people kept in a bad place by their persecutors and allies, but it was no joke for those chickens. First things first however. Industrial husbandry is for our benefit, not theirs. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 15:02   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

As bad as things are today, with all the killing in the Bush Blair wars, the suicide bombings in the Middle East and man's inhumanity to man, let alone the animals, I still think this world could be a better place, some day. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb4eZ7Z5yk8&NR=1&feature=endscreen Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 19:28   Where do all the male chicks go - Harleyman

Of course, we're all a lot fussier than our forefathers. One of the reasons for the pigsty being in close proximity to the "Ty Bach" in rural Chinese culture was that pigs will quite literally eat anything, including human waste. But then again the Chinese are not known for being faddy eaters. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 19:45   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

"Pigs are actually very clean animals. If they are given sufficient space, pigs are careful not to soil the areas where they sleep or eat. And forget the silly saying "sweating like a pig"—pigs can't even sweat! That's why they bathe in water or mud to cool off. But in factory farms, they're forced to live in their own feces and vomit and even amid the corpses of other pigs. Conditions are so filthy that at any given time, more than one-quarter of pigs suffer from mange—think of your worst case of poison ivy, and imagine having to suffer from it for the rest of your life". www.peta.org/living/vegetarian-living/top-10-reasons-not-to-eat-pigs.aspx Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 21:37   Where do all the male chicks go - Harleyman

Might be the case in the USA Dog; the pig farms I visit over here, admittedly mostly free-range ones, are VERY strict on hygiene. I do understand the sentiments about pigs BTW; Mrs HM adores the beasts but is also quite happy to consume them on a regular basis, as am I. It was her intention to obtain a couple of those micro-pigs as pets, until she found out that even though they would not end up on a dinner plate they are still subject to all the rules and restrictions which apply to commercial pigs. You might find this an entertaining and instructive read; www.accidentalsmallholder.net/livestock/pigs/ Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 22:45   Where do all the male chicks go - CGNorwich

An interesting leaflet from the charity Humane Slaughter Association a charity " committed to the welfare of animals in markets, during transport and to the point of slaughter." Instantaneous Mechanical Destruction (IMD) is one of the methods used to dispose of surplus male chicks. the other and more common method in this country is gassing using a mixture of Carbon Dioxide and Argon. IMD devices either comprise a set of revolving rollers or knives which should kill the chicks instantly. As the leaflet says "Although aesthetically unpleasant, instantaneous mechanical destruction (IMD) is a humane and effective disposal method for day-old chicks when used, managed and maintained correctly." www.hsa.org.uk/Resources/Publications/Technical%20Notes/imd.pdf Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 16:50   Where do all the male chicks go - Armel Coussine

>> "Although aesthetically unpleasant, instantaneous mechanical destruction (IMD) is a humane >> and effective disposal method for day-old chicks when used, managed and maintained >>correctly." Must be so CGN, fairly quick and total. And no animal is keen to be slaughtered, so it's humbug to make a big fuss about this sort of thing unless one is a vegetarian. I've killed the odd creature for food. But I wouldn't fancy doing it all day as a job, cutting chickens' throats as they go past on a conveyor hanging by their feet, bopping cattle on the head with a maul as they pass through a restrictor gate, that sort of thing. Someone has to do it just as someone used to have to be the executioner. But it wouldn't be me short of starvation. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 16:54   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

>>Must be so CGN, fairly quick and total My postman said the same this thing morning (I've even got him at it) :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 23:03   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

>>Might be the case in the USA Dog; the pig farms I visit over here, admittedly mostly free-range ones, are VERY strict on hygiene "All the religious books (Torah, Bible, and Quran ) prohibit eating it for the reasons listed and many more reasons". ~ One of the comments from that bit I posted. I've eaten enough pigs over the decades Harleyman, mainly organic dry cured bacon in the last 15 years. What anyone eats or doesn't eat is no concern of mine, I'm no preacher man, but I like to think the conditions that animals are reared and slaughtered in this country are somewhat better than in other many countries, but then I read about the horse meat scandal and wonder what else goes on that we don't know about :) >>You might find this an entertaining and instructive read; A very informative site Hm, all of the farmers I've met in Cornwall (quite a few when I think about it) have treated their livestock well IMO, or as well as anyone fattening up animals to be slaughtered that is. I may have even detected quasi feelings from one farmer towards his fine herd of Devon Reds that were soon to be carted away, but farming was his whole life, and his fathers before him, the 2001 foot and mouth disease epidemic hit him hard like many other farmers, and he ws never the same again, poor chap. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 23:19   Where do all the male chicks go - Harleyman

all of the farmers I've met in Cornwall (quite a >> few when I think about it) have treated their livestock well IMO, or as well >> as anyone fattening up animals to be slaughtered that is. >> It's in their interests to, of course. Word soon gets around the local community when one individual farmer mistreats his stock, and this of course causes the culprit major problems when he comes to either sell his own stock or buy more. Much of my work involves delivering to hill farms this time of year, and it never ceases to amaze me how much care the farmers do give to sick and injured lambs and sheep. One of the big problems is predation by crows, which are a far worse pest than foxes; they will attack a weak lamb and usually peck its rectum out, I've seen the poor little beggars staggering round the field with their intestines trailing. If the farmer can catch it in time he'll stitch it up and try to save it if he can; but some of these hill farms cover a huge area and they can't be everywhere. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 16:14   Where do all the male chicks go - TeeCee

>> "All the religious books (Torah, Bible, and Quran ) prohibit eating it for the reasons >> listed and many more reasons". >> Pork, a middle eastern climate and no refrigeration can be a fatal combination. Note that by no means "all" religious books have that restriction, just the Abrahamic ones. As they all derive from one original set of rules, that's hardly surprising. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 16:49   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

>>Pork, a middle eastern climate and no refrigeration can be a fatal combination Hehe! - my wife said exactly the same thing yesterday. >> Note that by no means "all" religious books have that restriction, just the Abrahamic ones De acuerdo but, that still accounts for approximately 3.5 billion peeps. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 17:04   Where do all the male chicks go - CGNorwich

Not just pigs: The full list of prohibited stuff according to Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Don't you go frying up a mole in sesame seed oil Dog. No idea what a Glede is or even an Ossifrage is . Doubt they're as tasty as bacon though. Bat Camel Chameleon Coney (Hyrax) Cormorant Cuckow Eagle Ferret Gier Eagle Glede Great Owl Hare Hawk Heron Kite Lapwing Little Owl Lizard Mole Mouse Night Hawk[16] Osprey Ossifrage Owl Pelican Pig Raven Snail Stork Swine Tortoise Vulture Weasel Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 17:08   Where do all the male chicks go - CGNorwich

The position on insects is difficult Leviticus 20 All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you. 21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth; 22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind. 23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 18:16   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

Blimey! - that's some list CG, so we can eat Rabbit, but not Hare, we can eat, um, Winkle, but not L'Escargot. I think I'll just stick with the Bald Locust on toast, Mmmmm. :) Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 18:45   Where do all the male chicks go - CGNorwich

" think I'll just stick with the Bald Locust on toast, Mmmmm." 'Fraid you can't have that either. Because of the confusion over what a "flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four , which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth" actually is and what a Bald Locust is for that matter for the sake of clarity the Jewish religion bans the eating of all insects. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 19:29   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

Bit of a clown this Yahwah geezer I reckon, if he'd carried on grafting away instead of having a day orf, I reckon he'd have got things right, he was All Mighty after all, so why did he need a day orf for gawds sake. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 19:37   Where do all the male chicks go - Armel Coussine

>> he was All Mighty after all, so why did he need a day orf for gawds sake. To recharge his bank of capacitors Perro? ZAP! :o} Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 19:49   Where do all the male chicks go - CGNorwich

"so why did he need a day orf for gawds sake." So he could have a nice bacon sandwich without any hassle. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 19:55   Where do all the male chicks go - Armel Coussine

>> www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb4eZ7Z5yk8&NR=1&feature=endscreen I know where you're coming from Perro, only too well really. But I am less attracted to this apocalyptic vision than I once was. 'Careless talk costs lives,' they alleged during the last big war. It doesn't seem to occur to people that careless talk writ large could cost a paradigm or even a civilization. 'It wouldn't be so bad to see a bit of civilization, but where is it?' a poet friend asked rhetorically. Point taken of course. But where ELSE is it? That's the real question that people tend not to answer because it's so embarrassing. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 23:07   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

I know one thing Sire, if when I get to the gates, I'm offered the chance of some of that reincarnation milk I've read about, I shall decline his kind offer, one basinful is more-than enough for my soul thanks. Reply to this message | Report message

New Tue 30 Apr 13 23:54   Where do all the male chicks go - Armel Coussine

You can't be born again or start a new life as a gecko lizard, so what's the problem? 'Revolution is an extremely grave option that should only be considered when all else has failed' (or words to that effect) - I Ching Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 00:04   Where do all the male chicks go - henry k

>>And here's another question - where do male calves go? There is an attempt to promote "Rose " veal in the UK so that this potentially valuable food source is utilised. Named so as to distance itself from the bad stories about veal. Wiki says: Rose veal in the UK (generally called "young beef" in Europe), is from calves raised on farms in association with the UK RSPCA's Freedom Food programme. Its name comes from its pink colour, which is a result of the calves being slaughtered at or after 35 weeks (8 months up to 12 months).[ Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 07:29   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

>>One of the big problems is predation by crows, which are a far worse pest than foxes; they will attack a weak lamb and usually peck its rectum out Geez! - I've seen that up on the moor some years ago, I had no idea how it originated though :( >>There is an attempt to promote "Rose " veal in the UK Nature can be and indeed is very cruel, but that's how I perceive it, now, in the not too distant past I wasn't aware of all this and just ate my Beef, Lamb, Pork, Chicken etc. without a single moments thought as to the animals welfare. But now, I see the sun going down, and the eyes in my head see the world spinning round. I also live on a hill. :+) Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 08:29   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

Eggs were nice, £2 for a dozen - I could live on £12 a week down here, if I had to, like. I couldn't face sunny side up jobbies though, so I scrambled em with some Celtic seasalt & black pepper, Mmmm. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 08:59   Where do all the male chicks go - L'escargot

>> Eggs were nice, £2 for a dozen - I could live on £12 a week >> down here, if I had to, like. Would that be good for your health? tinyurl.com/9rpl9m8 Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 09:06   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

"You would have to eat more than 10 eggs a day to consume too much saturated fat" I eat 6 eggs per week, eating 10 a day would take me over the £12 pw, and have, er, other effects! Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 09:09   Where do all the male chicks go - L'escargot

>> "You would have to eat more than 10 eggs a day to consume too much >> saturated fat" "However, you may want to monitor your egg consumption if you are also eating bacon, red meat, butter and other foods high in saturated fat." Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 09:23   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

I don't eat any meat and hardly any butter L'es, that's why I felt I needed to eat eggs being as they are SO full of goodness. I only stopped eating eggs a few weeks ago when I read the article about male chicks being thrown alive into a grinding machine. But I'm buying em locally from now on and I feel better about that, although the male chicks are still disposed of it seems. I eat a lot of mackerel, which ARE high in fat, but it's good fat :) Last edited by: Dog on Wed 1 May 13 at 09:24 Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 09:30   Where do all the male chicks go - L'escargot

>> I eat a lot of mackerel, which ARE high in fat, but it's good fat >> :) I like Lidl's mackerel fillets in tomato sauce. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 09:37   Where do all the male chicks go - Clk Sec

>> I like Lidl's mackerel fillets in tomato sauce. The John West Mackerel fillets in olive oil are very nice. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 09:35   Where do all the male chicks go - Cliff Pope

>> so I scrambled em with some Celtic >> seasalt & black pepper, Mmmm. >> Isn't it odd how egg seems to shrink when scrambled? One boiled egg and a piece of toast seems quite a decent snack, but one scrambled egg seems to disappear to a spoonful of crumble. Even two scrambled eggs on toast look a bit meagre. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 09:45   Where do all the male chicks go - Clk Sec

>> Isn't it odd how egg seems to shrink when scrambled? One boiled egg and a >> piece of toast seems quite a decent snack, but one scrambled egg seems to disappear >> to a spoonful of crumble. Odd, too, how one boiled egg is more filling than two scrambled. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 09:54   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

>>Isn't it odd how egg seems to shrink when scrambled? I usually fry em, which sounds very, very bad but, I use very little heat really, and fry them in organic sesame oil, but yes, my 2 egg scramble did look a bit sorrowful to say the least :) Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 13:05   Where do all the male chicks go - Cliff Pope

>> >> I usually fry em, which sounds very, very bad >> Poached is best, according to my live-in health adviser. But the eggs look so anaemic, and there is always that rather unappealing white scumminess made of bits of egg that got lost. I haven't been bothered for years, but I do have a thing called an egg coddler. It cooks like a boiled egg, but you can add seasoning before you start, and if fussy you can unscrew the lid and inspect the hardening progress, putting it back in the water if required. Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 13:31   Where do all the male chicks go - Dog

>>Poached is best I like em fried though, not had a poached egg in decades, thankfully. The way I do em is to poach them in organic sesame oil in the frying pan. :-) Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 09:45   Where do all the male chicks go - L'escargot

It reminds me of the verse in a song ......... Where have all the soldiers gone? Long time passing Where have all the soldiers gone? Long time ago Where have all the soldiers gone? Gone to graveyards every one When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn? Reply to this message | Report message

New Wed 1 May 13 10:32   Where do all the male chicks go - Crankcase

Thanks for that L'es. Ages since I played any Peter Paul and Mary. I feel a spotify session coming on. Reply to this message | Report message