As some of you know we have a lovely female Hungarian Viszla
s217.photobucket.com/albums/cc69/cowithagun/?action=view¤t=Tilly_fetching.png she does get reasonably regular ear infections and has visited the vet several times.
Its apparently common with the breed and type.
The vet has sold us several small bottles of Epi-Otic ear drops over the past coupe of years, containing salysilic acid as the main ingredient.
She gets these infections probably every 3 months and this time its proving to be rather difficult to shift, SWM has been dosing her for about 2 weeks and some rather grotty brown muck is still coming out when SWM delves with cotton wool into the ear as urged by the vet.
This time the infection seems worse that before, and if you should inadvertantly touch her in the region of the ear when fondling or playing with her then she can wimper, which isn't normal as she's far from a wimp.
SWM is resigned to visiting the vet again this week as this infection doesn't seem to be shifting, we're hoping there isn't permanent damage to her inner ear.
Does your vet ever sedate the dog and perform a warm water syringing as the doctors surgery would for humans, or is there any other treatment that you find helps.
I know several of you have active dogs and would appreciate some advice please.
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My only advice is get the dog down the Vet ASAP, any infection that is painful enough to make a dog whimper is a bad one and will probably need antibiotics.
One useful thing I have found in diagnosing dogs is their temperature. I have a dedicated electronic thermometer for sticking up the dog ass, if they have any form of serious infection anywhere the temperature will be raised above 39.2c
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I agree, get him to a vet. In the meantime, you might find something useful (for free) on
www.vethelpdirect.com/
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Do the vet thing first in case antibiotics are needed.
Thereafter try a product called Thornit canker power. I've used it for about 20 years with 100% success on the various spaniels' ears. The vets don't seem to like it as it deprives them the huge profit on that opti stuff. When I remember, I give them all a tiny pinch every couple of weeks and haven't had a single ear problem since. Just about every spaniel person I know also uses it. I use the handle of an old tea spoon to make sure it goes right down the tube.
A small bottle will last the life of the dog. www.thornitearpowder.com/
Last edited by: Dave on Sat 19 Jan 13 at 14:20
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Righto chaps, good thinking, thanks all.
Vet it is asap.
Thornit ordered Dave, many thanks.
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Being as ear infections are quite common with the breed gord, I'd contact 2 or 3 Vizsla breeders to ask their advice.
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Not a bad idea D, SWM will get on that from whence she came.
Right just got back from the vet, right ear infested with mites, wouldn't prescribe anti biotics and supplied more of the above drops.
Will use the Gucci (priced) drops to clear this lot and by the time they're shifted the Thornit stuff (cheers Dave) will be here and will use that in future every few days to keep the blighters under permanent control.
Last edited by: gordonbennet on Sat 19 Jan 13 at 15:49
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My old Spaniel suffers from ear trouble and has done so for the past six or seven years. The only treatment that has succeeded is Aurizon ear drops which is a steroid and antibiotic preparation. He is on a maintenance dose two or three times per week.
Epi-Otic is an ear cleanser and will not treat an ear infection. I get mine on the Internet for about £11.00 for 125 ml, whereas the vet charged £18.00
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>> Epi-Otic is an ear cleanser and will not treat an ear infection. I get mine
>> on the Internet for about £11.00 for 125 ml, whereas the vet charged £18.00
Thats interesting Robbie will look those up, thankyou, what was the vet thinking then, was mistaken earlier this time we've been sold Canaural drops, hopefully they'll do the trick this time.
We've been thinking about trying to find an out of town old school country vet anyway, where would one look for recommendations please.
Last edited by: gordonbennet on Sat 19 Jan 13 at 17:42
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>> We've been thinking about trying to find an out of town old school country vet
>> anyway, where would one look for recommendations please.
I know of a fantastic vet with personal recommendations. May be a bit of a way away from you.
www.newlodgevets.co.uk
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Dave, that vet situation sounds familiar, bit like funeral directors.
Thanks for the recommendation Z, its about 20 miles from us but thats not too bad in the grand scheme of things, people you know who are pleased with the place?
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>> people you know who are pleased with the
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Very. I've met the vet, she's good. I know people who travel from Lincoln & Grantham to go there.
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Do what I did, marry a vet.
Just sleep with one eye open if you've been stroppy that day.
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>> Do what I did, marry a vet.
Not Mengle's daughter was it?
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Thanks Z, SWM is nodding approval.
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I was talking to an old vet friend the other day. It seems that many practices have been bought out by a large company, and over time the existing (usually elderly) vet(s) leaves with his money in his pocket. He is then replaced by a young vet(s) that has to follow strict company guidelines, and isn't allowed to do anything more than basic stuff. All the rest is referred out to one of the company's specialist centres. One thing they are specialists in is taking lots of money from the pet insurers, apparently, which is causing a constriction of the pet insurance market. In the old days, if you took a 10 year old dog to the vet with joint problems you were given some pain killers and told to consider the dog's future. Now, it seems, this specialist centre will recommend some huge operation, as long as there is insurance in place, of course.
I have a good vet here. He has no receptionists or nurses, only takes non emergency calls between 8 and 9am, and gives straight honest advice. I called him the other day because one of the dogs ate some rat poison. Probably no problem, he says, call the importer and they'll tell you the critical dose. If he's eaten above that then come back to me.
When I had the nuts off one of them, you take the dog in at the appointment time, he called me in and gave the first jab, then sent me and the dog back into the waiting room while he saw someone else. When the dog was asleep he took him in and sent me to the chemist with the prescription (the vets here carry no drugs) while he did the business. 20 mins later I was back and he was finishing up. He bought the dog out all still sleepy and sent us home. Total time about 1 hour. And he still sends the bill with a month to pay. Contrast that to the UK vets where you go through the great rigmarole of leaving the dog there with the nurse first thing in the morning, phoning at lunchtime for an update, and then collecting in the afternoon, complete with some expensive drugs.
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Thanks D, noted for the future if the Thornit powder doesn't keep the blinkin mites at bay long term, though i expect it will work, the breeder also suggested Thornit when SWM contacted.
No list of active ingredients of this Otodex given on Amazon i notice, wonder what the mite killer is.
Good opportunity to give an update on the ear trouble, after a couple of days the new batch of liquid gold from the vet is working, irritation almost gone and SWM is fetching very little carp out of the shell like.
SWM had her out in the open fields today complete with hurled tennis ball, dog pouncing on the ball at full pelt completely burying it in the snow, then digging down frantically to find it again, both had a whale of a time.
Last edited by: gordonbennet on Mon 21 Jan 13 at 21:23
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>>No list of active ingredients of this Otodex given on Amazon i notice, wonder what the mite killer is<<
Phenoxyethanol Ph.Eur 1.0% w/w Chlorbutol hemihydrate Ph Eur 1.1% w/w in a Propylene Glycol base.
^_^
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And so it should be cheap, 2.1% active ingredients.
Sometimes i wish i'd gone a bit higher than O level Chemistry, might then have the foggiest idea what they are or do or spell 'em :-)
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This site is good for any pet meds gb, it's where I get mutley's Drontal from:
www.petmeds.co.uk/p-3672-otodex-ear-drops.aspx
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Thanks again D.
I doubt there's many subjects or out of the ordinary queries that you couldn't get decent advice and where to go's for on this very forum.
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>>I doubt there's many subjects or out of the ordinary queries that you couldn't get decent advice and where to go's for on this very forum.
Couldn't tell me how to fix the KIA's radio.
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Don't bother Tom, they might still be on offer at Halfords in the online sale at well below half price, Pioneer, Kenwood, Sony etc around £50, and some juicy DAB's under a ton, all will give so much more oompapa and pleasure than a standard car stereo running about 5w peak.
Pioneers really are good and usually nice to use, can't go wrong @ less than £50.
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>> can't go wrong @ less than £50.
That's as much as the thing cost me.
And the replacement gearbox.
;>)
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Cor blimey, you can lead anorse to water..;)
You'll be able to transfer said wireless to the next car or even several.
mutter..blinking tight..mutter...
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How's the ear 'oles then GB?
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>> How's the ear 'oles then GB?
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Thanks for asking Dave, still a bit concerned.
She cleared up well enough at first and SWM carried on with the vet supplied stuff till it ran out.
Been using the Thornit twice a week for couple of weeks now, still fetching dark brown gunge out when SWM delves, but it seems dryer than before, maybe the natural process of the dead mite gunge working its way out.
Would you advise increasing the Thornit's use, say every day or every other for a couple of weeks, or shall we continue at twice a week?
Ears go very deep on these pooches.
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The trouble with the vet stuff is it seems to keep the ears wet and greasy. I would use the thornit every day until it's cleared, then once a week or so.
I was reminded of this post because my old springer's ear was a bit smelly last night, I noticed, which prompted me to give them all a pinch. I try to remember to do them every few weeks, but usually forget. She always has just one manky ear from time to time, and it seems to be the one she sleeps on!
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Did you phone around the breeders gord (not just one or two) they know the breed, and their problems.
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Just been reading a article about ear infections Gordon.According to the vet keep up the treatment every day.Sometimes a injection can be given.Ear infections are very common in Dogs Spaniels the favorites.There was a lot to read in the article a Dutch vet can't be that different in treatment Uk wise.
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Dave, will resume daily with the Thornit as per your advice thankyou, backed up by Dutchie's Dutch vet, not aware of any manky ear smell but the Thornit does have its own not unpleasant clinical odour and unlikely to smell anything over that, hope the mite's don't like it.
Dog, yes SWM phoned the breeder who also recommended Thornit.
Dutchie, i don't suppose that article is linkable in English?, sounds interesting.
The Vizsla ear canals seem to burrow down forever, ear drums must be deep in the skull.
Many thanks chaps, will do them daily for a while and see how we go, i expect like Dave's spaniels this is going to be an ongoing problem.
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I have a look Gordon I'm not that clever with computers.What it did say don't clean the ears for the sake of it it can do more harm.Also rinsing before using any cream helps.It is a difficult problem and happens with lots of Dogs.I've had once a ear infection and it is very painfull same for a Dog.
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Tryed to do a translate didn't work.The vet did say that skin problems causes more than 50% of ear problems.Look after the Dogs coat and be carefull what they pick up in the summer bacteria wise.Also the article mentioned painkillers.It's like anything in live Gordon some vets are better than others with help.When our ginger Tom whas on his last legs he was fourteen and had lost weight.The vet gave him booster injections which was a waste of time.At one injection Tom bit me out of pain he was that skinny.Never again I should have left well alone and let him die in peace.He died not long after the injections which where not cheap.
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Thanks for your time and trouble Dutchie, understand about the cleaning situation and SWM doesn't delve in unless its obvious they need a wipe out.
If it doesn't show signs of clearing up fully in another 2 weeks we'll take a trip over to the vet near Oundle which Zero recommended, not terribly impressed with our local place.
Pity about your cat always a difficult decision what to do, never a pint of hindsight around when you want one.
Last cat i had came from a litter from the cats employed by a local Epicure spice warehouse, slim neat and lovely tabby female, never lost her semi wild nature.
When she had her own kittens she'd go hunting in the allotments, find a fully grown rabbit and drag the thing home, somehow getting over 1 x 6ft and 1 x 4ft brick walls plus other obstacles into our back garden goodness knows how she managed the rabbit being twice her size and weight, she'd then call the kittens and only then kill it in front of them and let them feed, awesome pussy cat.
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Dog ear infection - Zero
