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Last edited by: VxFan on Fri 19 Apr 13 at 12:46
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Beginning of BBC1 6pm news showed a snippet of an interview with the woman who was 15 when she had a relationship with John Peel. She was saying she wanted it, she doesn't feel she was abused, and at the time didn't want to tell him her real age.
Something a bit different anyway.
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>> Beginning of BBC1 6pm news showed a snippet of an interview with the woman who
>> was 15 when she had a relationship with John Peel. She was saying she wanted
>> it, she doesn't feel she was abused, and at the time didn't want to tell
>> him her real age.
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>> Something a bit different anyway.
Hurrah for common sense.
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I knew many girls of 15 and even younger who lost it to men in their twenties and thirties. A lot of girls of that age are attracted to older men as their male peers are nowhere near the girls level of maturity.
Illegal then and illegal now, but in the battle between the laws of nature and the laws of man there will only be one winner.
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Having watched the full report - she said she had kept it quiet, but when the Savile stuff erupted she felt she had to mention it in case it helped bring other DJs to justice (I think that's what she was saying).
But now she feels Peel's reputation has been tarnished as a result of her breaking her silence, which she feels is wrong, so she's now trying to set the record straight.
Good to hear an alternative view. However I guess the fact remains that she was 15 at the time (he was 30), meaning his reputation is unlikely to be restored to pre-Savile levels, irrespective of her view of events.
Last edited by: Focusless on Fri 14 Dec 12 at 18:56
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IMHO, the stupid woman spoke up to the media for a bit of attention! Having got it, she wishes that she'd kept shtum.
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Not sure about stupid but yes, I got that impression too.
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It's a fact that some young girls of 13 have the maturity levels of boys 17/18 (or older)..and some 15 year old girls have the maturity of 19/20 year old young men...but...
....should a 30 year old man be sniffing around a 15 year old girl?
I'd suggest not.
Different if he was a 21 year old and not as worldly wise as some.
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>> ....should a 30 year old man be sniffing around a 15 year old girl?
She said she didn't tell him her real age - we don't know how clever she was at hiding it, and he might not have had any reason to suspect she was hiding it. Perhaps he did try to find out but she managed to deceive him, or perhaps he had an inkling but didn't want to know the answer.
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She looked a lot older than her 15 years in the photo from that time.
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He shouldn't, but if no coercion was involved and the girl was a willing participant how should the offence be regarded, a serious crime or a misdeamenor? Often I think the damage done to the "Victim" is caused by the police and various social agencies convincing a girl who was quite happy to have an older boyfriend that she was in fact the victim of a dirty monster who used and abused her.
As RP points out, the girl in question looked much older that 15. I would have said early twenties, something Peel could not have used as a defence as he himself was over 21.
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The groupie phenomenon meant that there were lots of naughty underage girls who were up for it, and no doubt there still are.
The flesh is weak, but it's still a bit distasteful for fully-fledged adults to take advantage I think. A bit po-faced of me I know. But I thought that, a bit, even before I had female descendants.
I am no saint I hasten to add. The flesh is weak.
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Interesting reading Focus. Many good comment from RR. Certainly not a boring life.
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A difficult and emotive question. On the one hand we want our children to keep away from sex till they are at an age we consider old enough but we bombard them with sex in the media and their bodies are ready for it long before the age of consent so it's inevitable that problems will arise with tedious frequency.
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>> A difficult and emotive question. On the one hand we want our children to keep
>> away from sex till they are at an age we consider old enough but we
>> bombard them with sex in the media and their bodies are ready for it long
>> before the age of consent so it's inevitable that problems will arise with tedious frequency.
Spot on RR. And the age we consider them old enough can be some way beyond what the law requires.
Several of my daughter's friends have parents who insist the boyfriend stays in the spare room or on sofa.
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I've just searched for the 'Megan Stammers found OK' thread and found it 'hidden' for some reason, so this would seem to be the next best place to post this.
Does anyone else find it extremely odd that we've heard nothing at all in the media about either megan or her teacher?
I did read last week that her parents had both attempted suicide, but once again, no more news at all about it.
Something very strange going on there, I think.
Pat
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I cannot find the report I read in the DM, it's been removed but it was on the BBC News.
It seems the only report remaining is this one
www.welingelichtekringen.nl/beroemd-2/102702/ouders-van-het-engelse-meisje-dat-wegliep-met-de-leraar-probeerden-zichzelf-te-doden.html
Dutchie, please help:)
Pat
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The thread was removed Pat - because of the Court injunction on naming the girl involved. We're hardly Twitter but you never know these days !
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>> The thread was removed Pat - because of the Court injunction on naming the girl
>> involved. We're hardly Twitter but you never know these days !
Now it's before the courts her age and the nature of the charges been both parties are anonymised. Everybody knows who they are because their names were all over the media but Sally Bercow got in trouble for naming them on twitter.
Even when the parents were in the news this week the only picture was of the defendant in court proceedings with his head covered and accompanied by les flics.
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>>The thread was removed Pat -
Pointlessly.
Stick her name into Google and you will find old Telegraph reports, old Mirror reports. etc. etc.
What the injunction insisted upon was that there should be no new naming of her.
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So the injunction is going to remove memories of reading about it in the press before the injunction is it?
Jurors are not going to be looking at the net when at home?
The law has to do a serious rethink about information available globally in the public domain and the process of trial by jury.
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>> So the injunction is going to remove memories of reading about it in the press
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>> Jurors are not going to be looking at the net when at home?
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>> The law has to do a serious rethink about information available globally in the public
>> domain and the process of trial by jury.
Jurors are specifically warned to try the case solely on the evidence they hear in court and instructed not to 'research' the case on the net. Haven't got time to look it up but I think there are cases of jurors being punished for contempt where that advice has been disregarded. The law is doing a re-think; the Law Commission are consulting at the moment.
In this case, while prejudice may be an issue, there's also the point that the 'victim' is a minor and the nature of allegations that may be made. Those may call for further reporting restrictions.
Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Sat 15 Dec 12 at 12:15
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She's a juvenile - she remains anonymous - her name was published originally as she was a missing person and there is a specific protocol for ensuring wide-spread publicity which is a conflict with the young person as a witness thing. Whilst I see Mark's point - the site has to be risk averse as the petty cash pot is empty
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>> The law has to do a serious rethink about information available globally in the public
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The nature of "information" itself has also changed in a way that the law has not begun to think about.
Jurors are supposed to be typical people of the time, a representative section of society, a peer group roughly speaking of the person being charged. That being so, in the past that meant they had received an average education, were averagely aware of life and its workings, aware of and sharing the common prejudices of the time, read the typical newspapers, had a common fund of knowledge and views picked up from mixing in society.
They were never intended to be ignorant, impartial Martians, flown in to give an unbiased assessment of the case.
But now, a typical juror comes with a different background, preloaded with background information from wider sources, principally the internet and personal networking media.
The law needs to accept that that is just as natural and real as was the village pump, the coffee-house discussion, the pub bar, and the press.
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>>now, a typical juror comes with a different background, preloaded with background information from wider sources, principally the internet and personal networking media.
The law needs to accept that that is just as natural and real as was the village pump, the coffee-house discussion, the pub bar, and the press.
That sounds very sensible CP and my knee-jerk agrees with it. Judges can give advice when there's a huge unjust internet lynching going on, and discharge the jury if it appears very thick or bigoted. Might lead to a few aborted trials, but they happen sometimes anyway.
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>> The law needs to accept that that is just as natural and real as was
>> the village pump, the coffee-house discussion, the pub bar, and the press.
Yes. None of us can be objective. A juror comes with a lifetime of experience of judging people on what he or she sees and infers from a whole range of cues, and most people think they can spot a bad 'un. They can honestly try to put that to one side but unless there is clear commonsense proof of guilt on the admitted facts presented then intuition, the fact the the accused has been arraigned at all, and personal experience must be major factors in verdicts.
I thought about this a few days ago when reading an update in the Eye on the Colin Norris 'Angel of Death' case, a nurse accused of poisoning patients with insulin. It looks like another 'dodgy probability theory' case, and the Review Board is now conducting an investigation.
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oct/04/angel-of-death-murder-case-new-evidence
How about this for twisting the evidence:
"The investigation also discovered a family who were told by the police during the investigation that their elderly relative, Lucy Rowell, could be one of Norris's victims as she had died with similar symptoms to the alleged victims. Nearly a year later, the police returned to say it was not murder after all because Norris had not been on duty at the relevant time."
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My late MiL was on jury service many years ago and was in favour of a not guilty verdict because the defendant looked so respectable in the dock she could not believe he was the type to carry out whatever hideous act he was alleged to have done. She was out-voted, and claimed her faith in human nature was shattered when the miscreants extremely long list of previous was read out after the verdict.
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>> claimed her faith in human nature was shattered
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It wasn't her faith in human nature that went for a burton. It was her faith in judging a book by its cover.
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Isnt it a fact that if a defendant has no previous, his brief will say so, loud and clear, during the trial?
On the other hand if he has loads of previous, his brief if going to keep schtum.
As I understand it, all the jury have to do is listen out for absence, or presence of reported previous convictions.
Correct?
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>>Isnt it a fact that if a defendant has no previous, his brief will say so, loud and clear, during the trial?
>>On the other hand if he has loads of previous, his brief if going to keep schtum.
I spotted that on a trial of two defendants. I then had to decide whether or not to tell the rest of the jury. I did.
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>> >>Isnt it a fact that if a defendant has no previous, his brief will say
>> so, loud and clear, during the trial?
>> >>On the other hand if he has loads of previous, his brief if going to
>> keep schtum.
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>> I spotted that on a trial of two defendants. I then had to decide whether
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But the fact that he may have previous is irrelevant to whether he committed act x at time y in the case in point.
If his previous is evidentially relevant the prosecution can apply to have it admitted. To invite others to infer a record from lack of a plea of innocent sweetness/light is (IMHO) dangerous and a breach of the jurors oath.
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You are correct of course, but if you found out the person had committed 10 previous and similar crimes, you'd have to be pretty strong not to have a preconceived idea of his likely guilt of the current offence.
Equally forming an opinion that he has a record, neither tells you how serious or how similar.
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>> Several of my daughter's friends have parents who insist the boyfriend stays in the spare
>> room or on sofa.
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That will stop them having sex at all then.... NOT!
Would it not be better for them to be having sex in comfort, and in a relaxed setting, than in the back of a car or down a dark alley?
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>> Would it not be better for them to be having sex in comfort, and in
>> a relaxed setting, than in the back of a car or down a dark alley?
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Never did me any harm.
8o)
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Entertainer Freddie Starr and PR agent Max Clifford have been re-bailed by officers investigating allegations of sexual abuse.
Mr Starr will have to return to a police station in March and Mr Clifford in February.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20757431
They were arrested as part of Operation Yewtree.
Operation Yewtree has three strands.
One is examining specifically the actions of Jimmy Savile, while the second strand concerns allegations against "Savile and others". The separate third strand relates to alleged complaints against other people unconnected to the Jimmy Savile investigations.
Mr Starr, from Warwickshire, fell under the strand termed "Savile and others," police said.
Mr Clifford, from Surrey, is being investigated under the third strand.
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Now I can't get the words "Jimmy Shand and his band" out of my mind.
Not him too? !!
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Some new heads have rolled in the Newsnight production team and BBC news. But only a few and not for the right reasons.
One would like to see a far-reaching purge in all the media and among some of the great and good, giving a savage kicking to the surviving arrogant twerps who imposed the poisonous Savile on us as a 'national treasure' over 50 years with dire effects on public taste.
Alas, those fired by the Beeb are just a few scapegoats who have been a bit careless over coverage of the crap spraying out of the fan.
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A phrase used frequently on the lunchtime news was "has moved on to another job" just a shuffle of the luvvies then.
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>> "has moved on to another job" just a shuffle of the luvvies then.
Quite right ON, no one has been fired. Moved sideways or taken early with a fat one.
The new-broom-style Beeb hard man spokesman on Newsnight tonight had an aggressively Estuary accent as he barked his management-speak. That's a turnup for the book eh? The poor wrecked national broadcaster begging on its knees for popular emotional support, looks like to me.
I do hope the populace bridles and demands old-style Beeb spokesmen who rabbit posh, like they're used to. And I do hope someone gives me a red gong for saying that...
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No scowly face from me on that!
Unsurprisingly, I deplore the sloppy speech and grammar emanating from the Beeb and other broadcasters these days, (even though I don't pay for it, before someone mentions it!).
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In a TV interview bite this morning, the new 'Acting-deputy-director-general' (or something like that) stated that "the BBC needed cleaning up in order to restore the public's trust". Sadly, the same is true for so many organisations ....... the government, the press, the police, local authorities ...............and so on. It's no wonder we're a nation of old grumps.
Yes, I too deplore the sloppy speech (all part of 'dumbing down') - and I used to think that regional accents were OK until they made them compulsory.
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>> I used to think that regional accents were OK until they made them compulsory.
They are OK if genuine. But they can become annoying if exaggerated (or even put on entirely as they sometimes are). Any accent, including Scouse, West Midlands, Cockney and fluting upper-class and received English, can sound anything from repellent to charming depending on the speaker.
There's a modern populist view among some ambitious people that irrespective of accent, speaking in an ugly graceless manner gives the speaker street cred and marks them out as no-nonsense and honest. To me, nothing could be further from the truth. But I have an ear for that sort of thing. It doesn't bother everyone to the same extent.
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I don't think, as a result of a childhood as a service brat, that I have stayed in one place long enough to have an accent of any particular sort.A sort of received pronunciation, I guess, describes my voice.
SWMBO is Welsh, but after a similar peripatetic upbring, it only shows when she is speaking to a fairly strongly accented Welsh person. I could always tell when her late mother was on the phone to her, by the lilt appearing.
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>> childhood as a service brat,
I had one of those too. My parents used to scold me for slovenly speech as I picked up various accents - one does it unconsciously especially when young - and even bad language. Actually I don't sound exactly like either of my parents. My father spoke a gruff and highly grammatical received English in which faint traces of Bristol could sometimes be heard. My mother had a charming, ladylike Mediterranean accent. I sound posh but relaxed, often use bad language for which I am often criticised, and am much given to parroting other accents to amuse myself and others. Herself sounds and is classier than me, less of a performing seal.
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I dare say a short period of about 3 or 4 years as a day boy at a public school (KSR), followed by a year at a grammar school, (Beckenham) culminating in a final stint as a boarder (at one of the very few state grammar schools which accepted boarders), has exposed me to dare, I say it, fewer regional and a greater number of more neutral accented influences.
I like some accents - (South) Welsh, Geordie, West Country, Pembrokeshire, Southern Irish: but struggle to appreciate Scottish, Brummy and Ulster.
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Brummie isn't an accent, it's a disease of the mouth.
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>> I like some accents - (South) Welsh, Geordie, West Country, Pembrokeshire, Southern Irish:c but struggle
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I struggle with the unionist/ulster Scots type accent too. Worked with lovely lass from Belfast about twenty yrs ago - asking her to repeat stuff was embarrassing until I got tuned in after a month or so.
Scottish however is as variable as English. The 'Prime of Miss Jean Brodie' Edinburgh Morningside is a different animal from Gorbals or guttural Aberdonian.
The accents of the Gaelic speaking west are worthy of academic study but even I can tell the sibilant, almost Norse, accent of Lewis from the near Irish lilts of South Uist.
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" has exposed me to dare, I say it, fewer regional and a greater number of more neutral accented influences."
There is of course no such thing as a neutral accent. However you speak you have an accent to someone else who will regard their own speech as the norm.
"Received" pronunciation is much of an accent as Geordie or Brummie and is simply the accent of part of Southern England. It became the "standard" for English comparatively recently with the growth of public schools in the 19th century when it became the accent for those with money power and influence.
The use of true received pronunciation is now dying out and it can sounds rather odd to most ears, for examples listen to the Queen or Prince Charles.
As a footnote it is interesting to think that Shakespeare, our greatest play-write, almost certainly spoke with a Midlands accent, an accent that so many now disdain.
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>> As a footnote it is interesting to think that Shakespeare, our greatest play-write, almost certainly
>> spoke with a Midlands accent, an accent that so many now disdain.
That's an interesting point CGN. Would it sound similar to the modern Midlands accent? How long has it been around?
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>> >> As a footnote it is interesting to think that Shakespeare, our greatest play-write, almost
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>> That's an interesting point CGN. Would it sound similar to the modern Midlands accent?
No.
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It would be nice if you could expand on that a bit Z - if it's just a guess then fine.
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According to the British Library it probably sounded something like this:
soundcloud.com/evie-jeffreys/macbeth-from-act-2
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Cobblers, its nearly as rubbish as people thinking we all used to sing like this.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-tU36eyB0k
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"Cobblers, its nearly as rubbish as people thinking we all used to sing like this"
Obviously impossible to say for certain how people spoke 400 years ago but
David Crystal, who was responsible for transcribing all the speeches of Shakespeare is a world expert on the evolution of the English language. Still, what do these academics know eh?
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He knows it is impossible to say with what accent Shakespeare spoke with. But that doesnt buy one much kudos does it, so why not make something up.
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"But that doesnt buy one much kudos does it, so why not make something up."
Well if it works for you :-)
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Well think about it. How long did ole will actually spend anywhere near the Midlands?
Still if you are prepared to be in awe of an academic with a theory.
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'Well think about it. How long did ole will actually spend anywhere near the Midlands?'
About 25 years. He was born, educated married and had two children there.
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Stratford on Avon isn't exactly the Black Country.
Probably sounded more like the Archers ;-)
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>> Oxbridge accents ?
Neuow thaat be below the balt be thaat, me old paal me old beauwty...
The generally unpleasant and silly, but annoyingly talented, author D H Lawrence wrote an admirably vituperative poem, 'The Oxford Voice', about a certain way of speaking. I recommend it to everyone who hasn't seen it. Must be on line but can't be a r $ ed to check.
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>> What, Oxbridge accents ?
Less likely than Black country yim-yam I should think!
Just noting that Stratford-upon-Avon must be quite near Ambridge - a chap who lives in Inkberrow reckons that's the model for Ambridge, it's about 12 miles west.
Probably sounded more like a Grundy than an Archer - they're all a bit posh.
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Probably sounded more like a Grundy than an Archer
Not Ruth - Ooooh Nooooo!
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'Alf them Archer folk are too posh to push. It's an interesting thing actually, all the serfs in the Archers speak with a strange array regional accents and the Archer clan all talk posh....makes you think. The only one that does not is Tom Archer who has a rather strange Lancastrian twang.
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>> nearly as rubbish as people thinking we all used to sing like this.
People may not have sung that well, but they probably sang more than people now having no mass electronic sources of the good stuff... and they did sing songs like that one, a traditional Geordie ditty an old gf of mine with roots in those parts used to sing in a send-up sort of way.
Why it's playing over a convivial scene from the movie Master and Commander is beyond me... perhaps it was in the film for some reason.
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>> It would be nice if you could expand on that a bit Z - if
>> it's just a guess then fine.
Guess? Oh come on. You think about it, do you really think that the post industrial revolution and now urban accent would still sound anything like pre industrial revolution rural market town warwickshire?
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I don't know - it might for all I know. That's why I was asking. Sorry.
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>> They are OK if genuine. But they can become annoying if exaggerated
I think Frasier is brilliant, but still find Daphne's 'Manchester' accent quite annoying. Not surprisingly I've just discovered that actress Jane Leeves was born in Ilford.
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I couldn't believe what I said to a South Walian caller on the CAB help line the other day "I'll do it now in a minute" another treat is to hear certain CF postcodes say "Where to is it ?"....I love accents.
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>> I couldn't believe what I said to a South Walian caller on the CAB help
>> line the other day "I'll do it now in a minute" another treat is to
>> hear certain CF postcodes say "Where to is it ?"....I love accents.
I love accents too but hat's not so much accent as dialect. Bit like the lend/borrow thing in some parts of Yorkshire.
I've had a well educated qualified GP ask me for a lend of my folding bike!!
He's from Donny but usage in Leeds or Sheffield might be different or depend on place.
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Said to us when lining up for a visit to Tenby lifeboat station:
"Queue by there. "
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Nope! Definitely "by there".
Heard at Ferryside, from a brat to its ma:-
"Mammy - I want some ice creeee-yam"
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Born in Oldham, secondary school At Manchester Grammer School, accent mixed Oldham/South Manchester/North Manchester mixture. Lived in Oldham until Age 30. Moved to Littleborough, and couldn't understand the Rochdale (7 miles away) accent for several months. Now lived in Saddleworth (They think posh Oldham) for thirty years, and the natural accent for the original inhabitants is very different again - only 5 miles from my place of birth.
5 miles in the other direction, the North Manchester accent now sounds very alien to me.
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Born Bradford. Then from 5 yrs on: Osnabruck, Munster, Blackpool, Birmingham, Ipoh (Malaya), Singapore, Westcliff on "Sea", Berlin, Birmingham, Keele Uni, Birmingham, Longridge (Ribble Valley), Buxton.
Accent: southern, so people say, with slight northern tinges:)
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Sort of vaguely remember this guy on a morning show.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-20807922
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Twas the Richard and Judy show. The weatherman who used to jump about on the floating map in Liverpool's Albert Dock.
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I forecast a depression....
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>> Sort of vaguely remember this guy on a morning show.
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>> www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-20807922
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Fred still does the weather on Granada. He has one of them there Messerschmitt bubble cars and sometimes does travel stuff around the North West using it.
It's well known that he 'dances at the other end of the ballroom'. Seems a nice jolly sort of bloke. Lives with a former Brookside actor.
Ted
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Received Pronunciation, I think, perceived as posh. It's a family thing, nothing to do with location.
Early years in Scotland, then St. Albans, Wandsworth, Wales for last 27 years.
Father grew up in Leeds and Torquay, mother from Liverpool.
I think we inherit our accents, nothing to do with region.
But I know some people mop up whatever regional accent they are exposed to. My brother however has lived in America for 20 years and doesn't even use Americanisms.
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Wife's cousin has been stateside for thirty years.
Has an American accent (and is built like a brick outhouse)
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>> Queue by 'ere ?
Or phonetically, 'by yuur'... takes me back more than 60 years, that expression.
In my brief, inglorious corporate career I had two assistants, a Welshwoman and an Irishman. The Welshwoman could be quite acerbic and when annoyed would say emphatically: 'Up your shuurt, AC.' I was a democratic and permissive boss. Someone a couple of grades above me started trying to get me to fire them both, but I couldn't see any reason to and liked them, so I wouldn't. Soon I couldn't bear the job any longer and left, and they left soon after that. We remained friends for a while.
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>> remained friends for a while.
... until they drifted away from London. Don't remember if they were still together by then but they lived together for a while in an improbably posh mews pad off Portland Place...
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A few weeks ago I rattled off a few I thought would be arrested next to my wife and thought nothing more of it. Forgot about my thoughts.
Tonight my wife reminded me I'd mentioned Jim Davidson! I didn't remember to be honest. I said his name for a reason I guess - I probably mentioned Paul Daniels too. It was because of who was being arrested/questioned I guess.
Who will be next....
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As my wife said "nick-nick"
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Said to involve complaints from two women who were 'in their twenties' at the time the alleged offences occurred.
No suggestion of noncing therefore. But a strong suspicion of opportunism by the women perhaps?
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He has previously admitted having sex with a 15 yr old, but was 15 at the time himself.
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-jim-davidson-jokes-1404207
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>> A few weeks ago I rattled off a few I thought would be arrested next
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It took me a moment to work out what you meant there.
I thought, surely they haven't started arresting C4P wives yet?
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I think JD misunderstood when asked if he would like to come on New Faces again.
Police have made a big break with all these arrests though.
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>> Anna Raccoon in Gilbert and Sullivan mode
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>> www.annaraccoon.com/politics/i-am-the-very-model-of-the-paedo-finder-general/
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Very good. Nice allusion to Witchfinder-General, with similar investigatory principles:
Dunk the suspect in water. If he drowns he was innocent, if lives, guilty.
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m.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light
We have had hug a hoodie, now there is someone else who needs a hug, apparently.
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I've lived in Yorkshire for over fourty years and I feel ashamed of this piece of low live from Leeds.How the hell did he get away whith his wrongdoing for so many years.There must be many people bowing their heads in shame who knew about what he done.
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Saville was obviously a bit of a lad to put it mildly, but I'd be wary about the number of "victims" involved. It's time the practise of giving compensation to the victims of crime (other than to cover actual losses) ceased. At best it's just patronising to them (There there, have a new telly and a holiday and you'll be alright) and at worst it brings the chancers out of the woodwork and can result in an innocent person going through hell, as in the case of Dave Jones.
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Indeed, I don't doubt some of the claims are spurious and would be libellous if Savile was still alive. But even if 50% of them are so, he would still be perhaps the most prolific sex offender discovered.
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I'm of the firm opinion he was an opportunist, and no doubt pushed his luck with just about age girls who got involved with him via his dreadful DJ weirdo persona.
He was a wrong un, and if even a quarter of the cases are kosher should have locked up years ago.
Wasn't going to happen though, i have no doubt he would have grassed and taken down some equally high profile fellow kiddie fiddlers with him, i'd be looking at who pulled the strings to keep him from being prosecuted previously.
Thoroughly disgusting excuse for a man, but i always thought that about him, sleazy.
Last edited by: gordonbennet on Fri 11 Jan 13 at 19:13
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Woman claims she wasn't abused - Focusless
