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Thread Author: BobbyG	Replies: 113

Tue 13 Nov 12 20:47   Dog attack - protocol?? - BobbyG

Hearing this story third hand at this stage. But apparently one of my neighbours who has one of these wee "handbag" dogs had it out for a walk on an extendable lead. Walking ahead it walked round a corner to be met by a rottweiler which picked it up in its jaws, shook it and broke its neck and killed it. Rottweiler's owner was there, not sure if it was on a lead. What happens in this sort of situation? Is it reportable to the police? Does it even constitute a civil incident or is it just a metaphorical shrug of the shoulders and go your separate ways? I must confess my black lab is never on its lead, whether walking the pavements or in a park and it is always a nervy moment as it sniffs around another dog to see if they start playing or the other dog "attacks" it. Of course I am biased but my dog never growls, snarls or goes at another dog. I would occasionally lead it if the body language from the other dog / owner wasn't right or maybe just cross the road to avoid any situation. Thoughts? Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 13 Nov 12 20:54   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

Without being there, its difficult to say. I can picture the scene, yappy little dog rushes at bigger dog, rottie does what rotties do and bingo death shake. It is reportable to the old bill, wouldn't have been if the rottie had killed your cat, tho I doubt much will be done about it. Also its a timely warning about using those stupid bleedin extendable leads. My dog is rarely, if ever on a lead. Your dog, like mine, is properly socialised. Last edited by: Zero on Tue 13 Nov 12 at 20:55 Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 13 Nov 12 21:18   Dog attack - protocol?? - No FM2R

>>It is reportable to the old bill, wouldn't have been if the rottie had killed your cat Is that still true since the demise of the dog licence? Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 13 Nov 12 21:39   Dog attack - protocol?? - NeilS

I had a rottie, RIP and people with handbag dogs used to pick them up when we approached, you wouldn't have met a softer more socialised dog but they didn't know! Anything Jack Russell and upwards in size could have done that to a micro-dog Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 13 Nov 12 21:46   Dog attack - protocol?? - Harleyman

Usually the handbag dog kills the Rottie... by sticking in its throat. I'll get me coat.... Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 13 Nov 12 22:00   Dog attack - protocol?? - Robin O'Reliant

>> Is that still true since the demise of the dog licence? >> I'm not sure what the situation is now, but only working animals (that included dogs whether employed or not) were reportable as they were deemed to be someone's property. Cats and other non-working animals were not, they were deemed "wild". I might be completely wrong on that, but it's what sticks in my mind from the days long past when I worked as a dog handler. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 13 Nov 12 21:57   Dog attack - protocol?? - Dog

I loathe Rottweilers, I've witnessed too many attacks by them - just like the one you mentioned. I've owned Doberman, GSD, R/Ridgeback, so I know some powerful dogs, but Rottweilers, do me a favour :( Reply to this message | Report message       1

Tue 13 Nov 12 22:05   Dog attack - protocol?? - Robin O'Reliant

>> I loathe Rottweilers, I've witnessed too many attacks by them - just like the one >> you mentioned. >> >> I've owned Doberman, GSD, R/Ridgeback, so I know some powerful dogs, but Rottweilers, do me a favour :( >> I'll go along with that. Dogs that can grip with the jaw hard enough to kill such as Rotties and Pit Bulls have no business in the hands of anyone who wants one regardless of knowledge or standing. I would be confident I could fight off most dogs, including GSDs, but those are two breeds who won't back down and have the strength to put most people on the ground. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 13 Nov 12 22:19   Dog attack - protocol?? - No FM2R

Have you ever noticed the overlap between the social groups of body-builders, rottweiler owners and short men? Reply to this message | Report message       1

Tue 13 Nov 12 22:47   Dog attack - protocol?? - smokie

I get a bit peed off with people who on;t keep their dogs on a lead. Never used to bother me but one daughter had an experience with e dog at an early age and really dislikes them as a result, almost fear, and she doesn't like it when they come to her and start nuzzling. She's coping better as she gets older, but dog owners should realise that not everyone likes a smelly animal sniffing round them. We had neighbours who we eventually gave up visiting because they were happy to let their dogs interfere with you while you sat back and tried to have conversation. I know that will be viewed as a generalisation and everyone who has a dog here has the best behaved dog etc etc, but I new a guy who introduced me to his "really well behaved and docile" dobermen, then proceeded to tell me a story about how they nearly went for someone who arrived unexpectedly at the back door. Unpredictable things, dogs. Reply to this message | Report message       3

Tue 13 Nov 12 22:51   Dog attack - protocol?? - BobbyG

Fully understand where you are coming from Smokie. My dog will raise its nose as it passes but thats about it though I realise that sometimes might scare someone so always ready to read body language and give a shout. Similarly when anyone comes into the house if they are not a dog liker then the dog is sent away to its room. Well, most of the time anyway, you see the daughter's boyfriend doesn't like dogs but has to try and put a brave face on it................. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 13 Nov 12 23:18   Dog attack - protocol?? - R.P.

Interesting. Our dogs are only loose in the garden and on long walks off road so to speak. The older dog goes on an extending lead - which is all he's ever known the younger goes on a short lead - just taken them both for a walk around the village. Both dogs are well socialized with humans and the older dog will generally ignore people when off the lead - and interacts well with other dogs - although he has an issue with one in every hundred dogs he meets (no literally of course) - he had a disturbed upbringing and is very wary of people in the home. He's generally kept out of people's way - although he is a lot better than he was before the Springer appeared. The Cocker has got issues but they are managed. They were both exposed to fireworks again this Nov. 5th - the big dog is excited by them and loves watching them - the little dog is definately not afraid of them but more curious than scared. All three of us had a howling session tonight. Works for all of us. Last edited by: R.P. on Tue 13 Nov 12 at 23:19 Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 14 Nov 12 07:39   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

>> I get a bit peed off with people who on;t keep their dogs on a >> lead. No you get peed off with people who have dogs off the lead, and not under control There is a difference. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 14 Nov 12 08:51   Dog attack - protocol?? - CGNorwich

"No you get peed off with people who have dogs off the lead, and not under control There is a difference." There may be but it not always apparent to non dog owners. Out of politeness to others who do not share your enthusiasm for dogs and indeed in accordance with the law, dogs should be kept on a lead when walking on city or town pavements. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 14 Nov 12 10:24   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

Firstly it is always apparent to even the most dog nervous when a dog is under control when off the lead, but I accept it is so rare it's probably mot seen. Secondly there is no " law " to say I have to have my dog on a lead on town or city pavements. Some councils or unitary authorities may have dog control orders in specific areas and these may state " on a lead" or " under control" Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 14 Nov 12 17:30   Dog attack - protocol?? - smokie

"Firstly it is always apparent to even the most dog nervous when a dog is under control when off the lead" Don't want to fight over it, but I know this isn't true - I have seen my oldest on occasions almost go into incoherent shock when dogs have been running about, say in a park. I'd think the dogs were not a threat, and she is otherwise a perfectly sane person, but she just doesn't like dogs, like some people wouldn't like spiders or snakes. Even when approaching someone on the pavement who has a dog on a lead she will often cross the road rather than go near the dog. She's a lot better than she used to be, but still not happy around dogs. There's worse cases than her around mind. And we're a cat owning family - always have been - she isn't frightened of the cat, and she's dealt with mice in the house, and live birds. And as a young teen prepared some mackerel I caught once on a camping holiday but I didn't want to behead and gut. Weird really... Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 14 Nov 12 18:46   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

>> "Firstly it is always apparent to even the most dog nervous when a dog is >> under control when off the lead" >> >> Don't want to fight over it, but I know this isn't true - I have >> seen my oldest on occasions almost go into incoherent shock when dogs have been running >> about, say in a park. I'd think the dogs were not a threat, and she >> is otherwise a perfectly sane person, but she just doesn't like dogs, like some people >> wouldn't like spiders or snakes. Even when approaching someone on the pavement who has a >> dog on a lead she will often cross the road rather than go near the >> dog. In that case doesn't make any difference if my dog is under control or on a lead then does it. I have some sympathy for her and its a shame that is the case. It is frequently the case with Asian people who are terrified of dogs under any circumstances. Damned if should be forced to have my dog on a lead tho, its not my fault or my dogs fault, specially when I have made more effort than most to ensure my dog is to heel off the lead. Last edited by: Zero on Wed 14 Nov 12 at 18:48 Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 20 Jun 13 08:46   Dog attack - protocol?? - Cliff Pope

>> >> I have some sympathy for her and its a shame >> that is the case. It is frequently the case with Asian people who are terrified >> of dogs under any circumstances. >> Me too. I cringe inwardly when a dog comes near, and back away nervously if it approaches. Dog owners have no appreciation of the mental assaults they casually inflict on vulnerable people. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 20 Jun 13 09:49   Dog attack - protocol?? - Manatee

I'm not actually frightened of them, though I wouldn't trust any dog completely - they are all genetically wolves, as Alanovic says. I'm amazed though at the attitude of owners who think you should be pleased for their dog to jump up, slobber and paw your previously clean trousers. "He just wants to say hello". Right, I'll just come and shove my nose in your crotch then if that's ok. "It's alright, he's very friendly". "We'll I'm not. " Dogs themselves I don't mind so much, the properly trained ones anyway. But I'd never have one unless it could be trained to pick up and bin it's own offerings, and it definitely would not be in the living areas of the house, wiping its bum on the carpet. Yuk. I suspect I am not in a small minority either, but convention dictates that we pretend its normal to fete the creatures and follow them around with a plastic bag. An observer from Mars might conclude either that the dogs were in charge, or that they were some kind of deity. Chickens are a lot less bother and I shall now have two boiled eggs for breakfast. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 20 Jun 13 09:52   Dog attack - protocol?? - Alanovich

>> Chickens are a lot less bother Wouldn't be too sure about that. The folks I know who keep chickens in their gardens fight a constant battle to keep them from being fox food/entertainment. Often, they don't succeed. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 20 Jun 13 09:57   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

get a dog, to see off the foxes, that would otherwise eat your chickens. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 20 Jun 13 10:39   Dog attack - protocol?? - Manatee

>> >> >> Chickens are a lot less bother >> >> Wouldn't be too sure about that. The folks I know who keep chickens in their >> gardens fight a constant battle to keep them from being fox food/entertainment. Often, they don't >> succeed. >> Just lost one. Fox probably. Also had a badger attack on the ark, and hungry red kites have been suspected by some. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 14 Nov 12 07:16   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

>> I'll go along with that. Dogs that can grip with the jaw hard enough to >> kill such as Rotties and Pit Bulls have no business in the hands of anyone >> who wants one regardless of knowledge or standing. I would be confident I could fight >> off most dogs, including GSDs, but those are two breeds who won't back down and >> have the strength to put most people on the ground. thats a load of old pit bull. Any dog that has jaws that open wide enough to get your limb in can grip hard enough to kill. And it probably wasnt the "grip" that killed the other dog, it was the "death shake" a whip like action that snaps the spine or neck. Rotties are no worse than any other large dog, its all down to the upbringing and there are shed loads of dogs that have the potential to be as bad or worse as them. Yes a pit bull is different. I doubt tho that many of you have actually seen one on the streets, tho you have probably all seen a load of cross bred things that people think are pit bulls. A pit bull is easy to handle as well provided you are prepared and know what to do. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 21 Nov 12 14:47   Dog attack - protocol?? - smokie

Tragic case which highlights the unpredictability of dogs. presumably the owners thought theirs was well trained and wouldn't hurt a fly etc etc. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-20422725. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 21 Nov 12 14:54   Dog attack - protocol?? - No FM2R

Undoubtedly tragic; but a 7 day old baby alone, and with a dog, and the dog is a jack russell? Just how much worse a move can you make? Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 21 Nov 12 15:04   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

You really want me to haul out all the stories of babies smothered by cats? You don't leave a baby alone with any animal. I doubt the parents had "well trained their dog etc etc" clearly they were too stupid to have done so. Reply to this message | Report message       1

Wed 21 Nov 12 16:47   Dog attack - protocol?? - CGNorwich

I think the problem with a lot of animal owners is that they don't really see their pets as animals, and therefore don't really understand them. They treat them as little humans in furry jackets and have a yucky sentimental approach to their pets believing they are incapable of being a danger to anything or anyone. Reply to this message | Report message       1

Wed 21 Nov 12 17:29   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

And the problem is, nor do they need to be treated in the 'I am the leader of the Pack" type attitude. (you do if you have a pack of them tho!) Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 21 Nov 12 17:40   Dog attack - protocol?? - sooty123

>> And the problem is, nor do they need to be treated in the 'I am >> the leader of the Pack" type attitude. (you do if you have a pack of >> them tho!) >> I would say that's a good idea. Dogs being pack animals an' all, if you let a dog think it's top dog... Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 21 Nov 12 20:03   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

No dog can think its top dog when it has to rely on you for food....... Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 21 Nov 12 20:13   Dog attack - protocol?? - madf

>> No dog can think its top dog when it has to rely on you for >> food....... >> Anyone who has to provide their dog with food is slave to the dog, NOT top dog. Reply to this message | Report message       1

Wed 21 Nov 12 20:15   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

err no. Not in dog mind. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 21 Nov 12 20:44   Dog attack - protocol?? - sooty123

>> No dog can think its top dog when it has to rely on you for >> food....... >> Some do. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 21 Nov 12 20:56   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

Dont feed it then, it will soon get the idea, Reply to this message | Report message       1

Wed 21 Nov 12 21:02   Dog attack - protocol?? - sooty123

Well you could bash it over the head as well, but training so it doesn't think it's top dog in the first place might be a better idea. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 21 Nov 12 21:04   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

I can tell you are not a dog trainer... A good one anyway. Not an RAF dog handler are you? Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 21 Nov 12 21:10   Dog attack - protocol?? - sooty123

Do I need to be? Ahh shucks, you've outed me. A scuffer? pfft... Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 13 Nov 12 23:50   Dog attack - protocol?? - Harleyman

>> I loathe Rottweilers, I've witnessed too many attacks by them - just like the one >> you mentioned. >> >> I've owned Doberman, GSD, R/Ridgeback, so I know some powerful dogs, but Rottweilers, do me >> a favour :( >> I owned a GSD dog back in the late 80's, my best friend for many years; and about 10 years ago my then partner brought home a Rotty bitch pup, which turned out to be an absolute sweetie. I'm quite convinced of the old maxim that there are no bad dogs, only bad owners; however, Rottweilers are very strong animals and you really shouldn't own one unless you're physically able to restrain it on its lead. Unfortunately the law does not proscribe fools from owning animals which they cannot control. Reply to this message | Report message

Tue 13 Nov 12 23:53   Dog attack - protocol?? - No FM2R

>>that there are no bad dogs, only bad owners; True. But if one runs into an idiot with a poodle its easier to handle than an idiot with a rottweiler. Anyway, my dogs are very well trained, but they're large, and most people just don't want a dog in their face, however well intentioned. It really annoys me when someone else's dog runs up to me and all you get is a shout of "its ok, he's friendly". Where of course the response is "excellent, but I'm not". Mine are never on leads yet, where there is a potential for other people, neither are they further than 3ft from me. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 14 Nov 12 00:35   Dog attack - protocol?? - rtj70

Glad to see TLA's in use for something other than computing. No idea what a GSD was until I looked it up. Could have worked it out I suppose. A cousin had a pet Rottweiler and it was quite cute (you had to see it) and friendly... but I'd not go near it! Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 14 Nov 12 07:21   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

>> True. But if one runs into an idiot with a poodle its easier to handle >> than an idiot with a rottweiler. I am currently helping a handler who has a large standard poodle, and its being trained for Shutzhund. Its quite funny to see gown men who think GSDs or Malinois are hard, being flattened by a 22 kilo, very keen, very fast fluffy dog in full lion cut with ankle pom poms Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 14 Nov 12 08:22   Dog attack - protocol?? - Dog

>>Its quite funny to see gown men who think GSDs or Malinois are hard, being flattened by a 22 kilo, very keen, very fast fluffy dog in full lion cut with ankle pom poms<< Moss Bros? Reply to this message | Report message       2

Wed 14 Nov 12 12:00   Dog attack - protocol?? - madf

I had an encounter when running - with a rottweiller - which drew blood and left a scar on my right buttocks. The owner - fortunately for them was out of sight otherwise I would have sued the illegintimate offspring for mental and physical harm. Anyone who has a dangerous dog off a lead is a complete moron and a potential criminal... I would imagine lapdogs would have soft delicate flesh and be great in curry. Reply to this message | Report message       1

Wed 14 Nov 12 12:29   Dog attack - protocol?? - R.P.

We had a variety of small poodles as kids - they were superb dogs one and all (even the all black one called Spot - he did have one under his tail) - loyal to their owners, quite vicious streaks that belied their looks. And doesn't lose its hair...and I've have one tomorrow.. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 14 Nov 12 12:37   Dog attack - protocol?? - devonite

Rottweiler bitches must be cute! - there was a chap recently who thought one was better in bed than his ex-wife! Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 14 Nov 12 20:28   Dog attack - protocol?? - Harleyman

>> Rottweiler bitches must be cute! - there was a chap recently who thought one was >> better in bed than his ex-wife! >> The standing joke in our bike club was that my ex had one Rottweiler bitch living with her and I had two living with me. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 14 Nov 12 14:39   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

>> I had an encounter when running - with a rottweiller - which drew blood and >> left a scar on my right buttocks. The owner You need to run faster, a lumbering rottie is not the fastest thing on 4 paws Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 14 Nov 12 14:54   Dog attack - protocol?? - madf

>> >> I had an encounter when running - with a rottweiller - which drew blood >> and >> >> left a scar on my right buttocks. The owner >> >> You need to run faster, a lumbering rottie is not the fastest thing on 4 >> paws >> :-) It jumped at me as I ran past it.. up a hill..... I would imagine even a rottie can do better than 8mph in a sprint . My current speed - on the flat - is around 1 mile in 7.5 minutes in the summer with a following wind ... (Slower up hills...).. I am after all an OAP.. (that's my excuse) Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 14 Nov 12 14:54   Dog attack - protocol?? - Dutchie

We had a neighbour from us across the road who had a Rottweiler .The Dog was used to being on a farm and the owner didn't have a clue how to control this big dog.I had a few words with the owner after it went for a neighbours small dog.It is like a extension of people's ego,I have a big dog I am tough.He wasn't . Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 14 Nov 12 20:32   Dog attack - protocol?? - Harleyman

>> You need to run faster, a lumbering rottie is not the fastest thing on 4 >> paws >> I can vouch for the fact that a Rottweiler trying to do an emergency stop on a click-lock floor, having heard the fridge door open and run at full tilt from the living room, is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 22 Nov 12 02:22   Dog attack - protocol?? - devonite

Dogs that have Psycho - probs and end up in RSPCA type sanctuary should not be "fobbed-off" on the trusting,caring public as decent animals having fallen on hard times! - they are basically untrained, uncontrollable brutes that are in the unsuspecting wrong hands dangerous untrustworthy creatures, and as a kindness to both parties with a H&S point of view, bearing in mind the "Duty of care" should be given the Needle at the first opportunity. Reply to this message | Report message       1

Thu 22 Nov 12 08:37   Dog attack - protocol?? - Dog

I "rescued" a GSD from a GSD rescue centre a few years ago when we were living up on Bodmin Moor. They told me that Arnie was taken to them as his owner was disabled and so couldn't handle him any more. But, I found out the truth was that Arnie had attacked and bitten the owners brother when he came into the house unannounced, he was also an infrequent visitor BTW. Arnie tried to remove my friends calf muscle and bit the ride-on mower service man's bum, before having the needle. This is just one bad experience of rescue centres though but, y'all gotta be very careful when bringing an adult dog into your home in my not-so humble opinion. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 22 Nov 12 11:52   Dog attack - protocol?? - BobbyG

You need to read between the lines!! We originally started our look for a dog at the Dog's Trust but when you had descriptions like "better suited to an environment with no kids, other animals " or needs an enclosed property" you then understand why some end up in here in the first place. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 22 Nov 12 12:38   Dog attack - protocol?? - R.P.

My Cocker has got "issues" that must have been evident to the owner who re-homed him to me at the age of 18 months - no mention of it when I got him - wonder why ? Anyway he seems to have adjusted a little since the second dog came on board. He has very few issues at all.. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 22 Nov 12 12:45   Dog attack - protocol?? - Runfer D'Hills

Last Sunday was a red letter day for my dog. For the first time in ages he had no issues in the car. Normally he issues all over it. :-( Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 22 Nov 12 12:53   Dog attack - protocol?? - bathtub tom

I know someone who took on a dog from a distant part of the family. It settled very quickly and was a lovely dog. The original family came to visit, the dog retreated to a corner and growled at them................ Gives you an idea of how it was treated originally. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 22 Nov 12 13:38   Dog attack - protocol?? - devonite

My comment above last night, may seem hard-hearted, (posted after closing!!) but it is actually based on real experience: Friend has Golden Retrievers, has always had two, but unfortunately lost one a couple of years ago from poisoning after drinking from a puddle that had algae growing in it. They got another similar aged one from a local shelter, pedigree as long as its tail, but not a bit of good as they neuter them before they let you have them. Anyway at first all was well, seemed to be a big,daft sloppy dog, but it soon became apparent that when it got excited, playing pull, wrestling, chasing sticks or balls, that it goes into "Frenzy" and will literally start whining, lock-onto and rip apart anything that gets near its jaws! - the first time this happened in the house, they had to usher it into the kitchen with the dining table chairs! and lock it in till it quietened. They still have it cos they love it, but they have had to alter their lives around to do so, they cant walk both dogs together, but have to take them separately, one can be let off to run and frollick the other must be kept on the lead and kept calm. As an outsider, I can see that they are treading on eggshells having this unstable hound about, and I for one don`t trust it one little bit! - Needle, Now! before it kills or injures, its irresponsible to be keeping it around! Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 22 Nov 12 14:00   Dog attack - protocol?? - Alanovich

I'm a dog lover and quite experienced around dogs, certainly never give off any fear vibes around them that I'm aware of. The only dog I've ever been bitten by was a black lab, sank his gnashers right in to my gluteous (sp?) maximus just as I was strolling by, minding my own business. This was a dog known to me, a trained gun dog owned by an uncle. Never went near the beggar again. So much for the the loveable, sloppy, biddable, ideal family pet. It's still a wolf and should be treated accordingly. Reply to this message | Report message       1

Thu 22 Nov 12 19:15   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

You need to be very careful with goldies. Everyone assumes they are nice sweet dogs, yet a large proportion of them can suddenly "click" and savage anything they see. Strong jaws and a good bite too, can do a lot of damage. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 22 Nov 12 13:38   Dog attack - protocol?? - Dog

I didn't actually have Arnie the GSD put down, I took him to the RSPCA centre in Cornwall suggesting that he needs someone to spend more time with him, and to try to deal with his psycho problems. I phoned them a week later to see how he was coming along and they told me they had put him to sleep. I went ballistic, and have hated the RSPCA ever since but, I hated myself too really for putting him in there. One dog I did have put to sleep though, it was back in the 70's and I had got this dog from Battersea dogs home - he was a schizo, he bit my Sister and he bit me one Saturday morning when I was picking the post up from the doormat - I took him straight back to Battersea and asked for him to be put down, when the young lady tried to get me to change my mind, I said "what if he ends up with a family who have young children"? Nuff sed. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 22 Nov 12 19:26   Dog attack - protocol?? - corax

>> I phoned them a week later to see how he was coming along and they >> told me they had put him to sleep. >> >> I went ballistic, The beast of bodmin :) I've been bitten by same breed as Alanovitch when I was a nipper, just a nip though, the dog was probably just giving me a warning. Never been bitten while running, maybe madf was wearing some lairy clothing or it just didn't like the look of him, won't speak too soon though - it could always happen. It's hard to give them a wide berth too because I'll encounter them on paths on the edge of a field. The owners are usually good at controlling them, so I'll give a thanks when I go past. I got snapped at by a dog at work. Not sure of the mix, looks like a golden lab with something more powerful like ridgeback in it. It was sniffing around the tool shed. I held out my hand and it went mad at me, maybe it was the scent of fox on my gloves because I'd just been handling a fox trap, but I reckon the owners' had other incidents as he keeps it on a short thick lead now, and stays well away from other dog walkers. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 22 Nov 12 19:35   Dog attack - protocol?? - No FM2R

Life with a difficult dog is a misery. Mine are not to be trusted with other dogs if they're unattended. That in itself makes life a royal pain. Dogs that cannot be trusted with human beings need not to be household pets in the first place. (as opposed to working dogs). No. 1 daughter goes hunting horse-back dog training and fearlessly handles the hounds - and there are lots of them - but there's always the risk. At least with working dogs you're prepared and behave differently. With a domestic pet its just asking for trouble and a life of stress and worry. Last edited by: No FM2R on Thu 22 Nov 12 at 19:36 Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 08:54   Dog attack - protocol?? - Dog

Horrendous story on the wireless (Radio 4) this morning about a postie who was attacked by 2 dogs. They had hold of him and nothing could get them to release their grip, including being bashed with a piece of wood, an iron bar, and the chaps thumb being thrust into said dogs eye. The poor guy suffers a degree of disablement + the psychological effect of it all to-this-very-day! Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 12:40   Dog attack - protocol?? - Ambo

A Frenchman once showed me a little aerosol he kept in his glovebox to deal with troublesome dogs. He said, "One whiff of that and they get a headache so bad they remember me for the rest of their lives and keep away from me". I can't recall what it was but it was evidently legal over there. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 12:47   Dog attack - protocol?? - Duncan

I am a little surprised that no mention has been made of the Dazer device. £24.80 from Amazon. www.amazon.co.uk/Dog-Dazer-II-Ultrasonic-Deterrent/dp/B001E0L5YA Very effective for keeping dogs away from you and does the dog no harm. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 13:18   Dog attack - protocol?? - Dog

This is the horrendous case I woz on about: news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9772000/9772403.stm Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 13:26   Dog attack - protocol?? - Roger.

"Dog attack - protocol??" Kick it in the nuts! Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 13:42   Dog attack - protocol?? - Bromptonaut

>> "Dog attack - protocol??" >> Kick it in the nuts! Richard Ballantine, in the semantic 'Richard's Bicycle Book', suggests kicks there or other sensitive places. He goes on to suggest a number of ways of killing the dog if the attack is really serious including dashing it's brains out on the road or using pumps or other tools as weapons. It was pretty clear that the advice was for life/death situations but public reaction was such that later UK prints excluded the relevant paragraphs. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 14:28   Dog attack - protocol?? - bathtub tom

I was told, many years ago, the way to remove a dog that had 'locked on' to an object was the other end. A stick, firmly inserted. I've never needed to put it to the test, apocryphal perhaps? I did manage to pry the jaws of a lab that wouldn't let go of a hedgehog by dousing some rag in model diesel aero engine fuel (large ether content I believe) and holding it over its nose. It went off rather unsteadily with its owner. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 14:38   Dog attack - protocol?? - Slidingpillar

Diesel for model engines is generally 1/3 ether, 1/3 paraffin, 1/3 castor oil with no more than 2% nitro. I used to mix my own fuel, cheaper! Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 14:44   Dog attack - protocol?? - No FM2R

A dog isn't going to let go when it can see the threat - i.e. you thumping it on the head. It needs to be attacked elsewhere so that it feels it needs to let go of you and turn to face the other attack. So if you ever need to get a dog off someone, don't go for the head. Go for the back or behind where it can't see you. That frequently makes them release and turn. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 14:57   Dog attack - protocol?? - Runfer D'Hills

Have to say, I almost never have any model aeroplane fuel handy. Never yet met a dog which wouldn't back down if you can convince it you are fiercer than it. Well, apart from one I long ago encountered on an otherwise deserted Greek Island beach in my hawaian print speedos. Can only assume he didn't speak English. He was a much better runner than me but fortunately I was the better swimmer... Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 16:18   Dog attack - protocol?? - corax

>> Well, apart from one I long ago encountered on an otherwise deserted Greek Island beach >> in my hawaian print speedos. I wish you wouldn't give us these ghastly images Humph. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 16:27   Dog attack - protocol?? - Runfer D'Hills

I'll have you know they were much admired at the time. People used to remark that they had never seen anything quite like them. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 16:33   Dog attack - protocol?? - Armel Coussine

There is much knowledgeable comment from dog lovers and dog owners in this thread. I have to say that were I thinking of getting a cute pooch to amuse my children and give them rounded characters, this thread would put me off. The damn beasties are so obviously unpredictable and dangerous (it seems) that no sane person would let one into the same room as a child. This is not really my view of dogs. I quite like them. But even if herself didn't loathe them with visceral passion, I wouldn't be tempted to have one. Too much trouble, too much expense. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 16:39   Dog attack - protocol?? - Runfer D'Hills

Does your wife have a general indisposition towards hairy, unpredictable, fun-loving scruffy things who sleep a lot and lie around the house mostly when not barking then AC? Just trying to understand...Maybe a bad experience in her past or indeed a continued one perhaps? :-)) Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 17:02   Dog attack - protocol?? - Armel Coussine

>> hairy, I should be so lucky these days Humph... and can't afford one of those wavy silver rugs that stand others in such good stead. >> unpredictable, fun-loving scruffy things who sleep a lot and lie around the house I really envy dogs, cats, small children, adolescents and SAS men for their ability to sleep a lot or whenever they feel like it. >> when not barking Rare moments, few and far between I'm afraid. Herself was badly scared by a big dog when a child. But no one in her immediate family likes dogs. There was controversy when our daughter obtained a very charming, kind, friendly flatcoat retriever pup. Her children loved the animal, I liked it a lot and even herself saw that it was not without charm although she wouldn't let it in the house. But as we predicted, they had to pass the poor beast on in the end. She and her husband are both freelances with demanding and unpredictable work schedules so that they are often out or away; the dog was too big, strong and boisterous to be controlled by any of the nippers (it could have dragged one into the road and got her run over); and there was no dog-loving stay-at-home neighbour to stand in reliably. I thought it was a great pity and still worry a bit about its new owner. Sweet dog. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 16:45   Dog attack - protocol?? - CGNorwich

I bought myself one of these for walking especially abroad . Has proved highly effective in deterring dogs from approaching. www.dazer.com/dog-deterrent.jsp Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 17:00   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

Yeah, I mean everyone needs one of those dont they. 1/ everyone is being attacked by crazed dogs where ever they go 2/ You got time to get it out of your pocket 3/ They are useless, its not loud enough and the dogs high pitch hearing is not THAT high - (same reason dog whistles dont work either) Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 17:06   Dog attack - protocol?? - CGNorwich

As I said it works. Have you got one ? Have you tried one? Bought it for walking in Greece where you are quite likely to encounter scary dogs blocking the path when walking in rural areas. Was recommended in the Sunflower Waling guides and can thoroughly recommend. Steel tipped walking pole is second line of defence. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 18:05   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

>> As I said it works. Have you got one ? Have you tried one? Yes experimented with one. Didnt work on about 7 british dogs. Greek ones may be different of course. However I have walked in all sorts of foreign parts and rarely been blocked by scary dogs. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 17:46   Dog attack - protocol?? - Duncan

>> I bought myself one of these for walking especially abroad . Has proved highly effective >> in deterring dogs from approaching. >> >> www.dazer.com/dog-deterrent.jsp >> Yes. As I posted at 12.47 today. "I am a little surprised that no mention has been made of the Dazer device. £24.80 from Amazon. www.amazon.co.uk/Dog-Dazer-II-Ultrasonic-Deterrent/dp/B001E0L5YA Very effective for keeping dogs away from you and does the dog no harm". Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 17:50   Dog attack - protocol?? - CGNorwich

Sorry, missed your post Duncan. Glad you find it effective as I do. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 18:06   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

> >> Very effective for keeping dogs away from you and does the dog no harm". have you actually used it? please describe what happens. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 21:42   Dog attack - protocol?? - Duncan

>> have you actually used it? please describe what happens. >> The dog turns round and goes away. The next time I see you in West Byfleet, I will show you. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 22:13   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

>> >> have you actually used it? please describe what happens. >> >> >> >> The dog turns round and goes away. >> >> The next time I see you in West Byfleet, I will show you. I will be the one who's dog does not turn round and goes away. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 18:44   Dog attack - protocol?? - madf

>> Diesel for model engines is generally 1/3 ether, 1/3 paraffin, 1/3 castor oil with no >> more than 2% nitro. >> >> I used to mix my own fuel, cheaper! >> Ditto but I feel the relevance to dog attacks is a little limited:_) On Topic:-) Dogs noses are soft and wet.. A finger down each nostril and then pulled apart ( 20cms will do ) will scare off any dog... Last edited by: madf on Fri 23 Nov 12 at 18:46 Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 18:50   Dog attack - protocol?? - Dutchie

Wouldn't like to try it with a angry Rottweiler. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 19:16   Dog attack - protocol?? - No FM2R

>>A finger down each nostril and then pulled apart You lot must be very calm when under attack. I always feel a good panic and significant loss of control will bring value to the situation. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 19:20   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

>> You lot must be very calm when under attack. I always feel a good panic >> and significant loss of control will bring value to the situation. yeah, dogs love toys like that, it really brings out the prey drive. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 20:24   Dog attack - protocol?? - No FM2R

Just back from the vets. One of mine has only come home to say goodbye. He's going back to be put down on Monday; bone tumour. Bummer. How in God's name do I tell the girls? The dogs & the girls are always together. I bet the second dog (full brother) is going to be on short expectancy now, as well. Double bummer. Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 22:14   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

how old? good chance the bro will develop it, Do you know how the rest of the litter fared? The girls had to learn sometime about life and death. Mine is 13.5 years old now. Wee bit wheezy, any walk over 4 miles leaves it a bit stiff in the hind quarters now, the eyes are going a wee bit cloudy but not too bad, she is still clean, most of her teeth left and not deaf. The nose will never stop working, probably way after she is dead. Reckon I have about 18 months with her. Last edited by: Zero on Fri 23 Nov 12 at 22:17 Reply to this message | Report message

Fri 23 Nov 12 23:44   Dog attack - protocol?? - No FM2R

They're 13.5 also, I got them July 1999 and I guess they were 16 weeks then. I have no idea how the rest of the litter fared. Truth is for two huge retreivers, +/- 50kg each, they've done pretty well. I was worried when I shipped them out with us this year, but it was the right decision. We only took him up the vet this morning because he had developed a really bad limp over the last two days. Where we live is pretty wild, so the animals and children are forever getting bumps and bangs. No point in details, but it is a blessing he was seemingly fit and healthy until two days ago. Other than a bit slower these days, he was doing pretty well. Last caught a bird about 2 months ago. So more than the expected life span, fit and healthy almost to the end, its not a bad deal. I should do as well. They're my dogs really, lived with me all over the world. The only time we had to deal with quarantine was going to the UK from Venezuela. And I know the children need to learn, but its still hard to see them so sad. Worse than my own sadness. Last edited by: No FM2R on Fri 23 Nov 12 at 23:45 Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 24 Nov 12 05:17   Dog attack - protocol?? - Pat

No matter how hard I try I can't find the right thing to say Mark, but I do know exactly how you feel. Pat Reply to this message | Report message

Sat 24 Nov 12 08:06   Dog attack - protocol?? - Dog

>>Wee bit wheezy, any walk over 4 miles leaves it a bit stiff in the hind quarters now, the eyes are going a wee bit cloudy but not too bad, she is still clean, most of her teeth left and not deaf<< Enough about the wife m8 - how's your dog doing these days?? Reply to this message | Report message       1

Wed 19 Jun 13 19:20   Dog attack - protocol?? - No FM2R

Not significant for anyone else, I realise. But for closure if nothing else Becker, the other dog, died this morning - seemingly general body failure through age. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 19 Jun 13 19:30   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

Funny how dogs that that have been a pair for a long while go shortly after each other. You dogless now? How have the girls taken it? Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 19 Jun 13 20:44   Dog attack - protocol?? - No FM2R

We are now dogless. The girls have not taken it very well, which is to be expected - the dogs were already in the family when the girls arrived. No 1 has gone all quiet and withdrawn, No 2 is in floods of tears. They are both now writing goodbye card/letters to be buried next to the dog. The previous ones are still there, wrapped in old sandwich bags under a stone on the other dog's grave. It'll be some time before I'll be ready to get another. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 19 Jun 13 21:59   Dog attack - protocol?? - Kevin

>Becker, the other dog, died this morning - Sorry to hear that Mark. >We are now dogless... It'll be some time before I'll be ready to get another. You're gonna sleep on the kitchen floor and bark at every nocturnal critter yourself? Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 19 Jun 13 23:32   Dog attack - protocol?? - No FM2R

>>You're gonna sleep on the kitchen floor and bark at every nocturnal critter yourself Don't see why not. I nag myself and cause myself needless grief when the wife is away, so replacing a dog ought to be manageable. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 20 Jun 13 05:54   Dog attack - protocol?? - Pat

Sorry to hear that Mark. Pat Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 19 Jun 13 19:36   Dog attack - protocol?? - Westpig

We've got 2 English Springers that are both 12.5 (brother and sister). The dog had a wobble 2 years ago with a Leukemia type thing and cost us a fortune at the Royal Veterinary College as the local vet couldn't do anything...he's still with us and seems fine. The bitch has recently lost a shed load of weight (over half her weight) and the vet has advised not doing much...so she's now in the mire...although the steroids have given her her appetite back. Some years back, when my old mongrel had had enough and I took her to the vet for the final time (she was 17.5) I bawled my eyes out on the way out....then several days later I got a nice sympathy card from all the girls at the vets...and off I went again...she's looking at me from my favourite photo of her, as I type. Good dog that was...apart from when she nicked my bacon double cheeseburger circa 1997. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 19 Jun 13 19:42   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

FiFi is 14, and is getting really cronky on her pins. The front end is working fine, thats the eating end. When she dies the front end will still be eating. Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 19 Jun 13 21:03   Dog attack - protocol?? - Duncan

>> FiFi is 14, and is getting really cronky on her pins. The front end is >> working fine, thats the eating end. When she dies the front end will still be >> eating. >> When I saw you the other day, I thought she looked in better nick than you! ;-) Reply to this message | Report message

Wed 19 Jun 13 21:05   Dog attack - protocol?? - Zero

I'd just been to 'spoons... Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 20 Jun 13 10:22   Dog attack - protocol?? - bathtub tom

>>although the steroids have given her her appetite back Years ago, steroids did wonders for an old springer we had. Vet gave me a very odd look when I mentioned they had a nice liquorice taste! Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 20 Jun 13 09:29   Dog attack - protocol?? - Alanovich

Sorry to hear your news, No F. At 14 my little Jack Russell is as fit and active as she ever was. I'm surprised and delighted by this, as I'd always expected 14 to be the limit. However, we are abundantly aware that time is very quickly running out, and, like your dogs, she was there before the children arrived. There will soon be a practical lesson in grief chez nous also. I feel for you and your children. Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 18 Sep 23 11:26   Dog attack - protocol?? - Duncan

>> He goes on to suggest a number of ways of killing the dog if the >> attack is really serious including dashing it's brains out on the road or using pumps >> or other tools as weapons. Saving life is all very well, but what about the grammatical error? Reply to this message | Report message

Mon 18 Sep 23 16:02   Dog attack - protocol?? - Ted

It would take me some time to unlace and remove one of my pumps. I don't think I could kill a Bully dog with one anyway ! Ted Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 20 Jun 13 06:56   Dog attack - protocol?? - L'escargot

>> Thoughts? >> Dogs aren't rational thinkers and their mood can change instantly depending on what's around them. All dogs should be kept on a lead when they're in a public space. They should also be in the charge of a person who is capable of controlling them. www.nidirect.gov.uk/controlling-your-dog-in-public Last edited by: L'escargot on Thu 20 Jun 13 at 07:00 Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 20 Jun 13 08:50   Dog attack - protocol?? - L'escargot

I stay well clear of any dog which is bigger than I could physically overpower, whether it's on a lead or not. Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 20 Jun 13 09:37   Dog attack - protocol?? - Roger.

Dogs - apart from working dogs - are a blasted nuisance. We are surrounded by the perishing beasts and yesterday morning in the sunny garden was ruined by the cacophony of baying, yapping and barking caused by an escapee dog sniffing around the cul-de-sac. Yes - "blame the owners, not the dogs" I hear you cry - I don't give a damn for the reasons, it's the result which affects us. Dogs are useful for this:- tinyurl.com/dc3bc :-) Last edited by: Roger on Thu 20 Jun 13 at 09:40 Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 20 Jun 13 11:25   Dog attack - protocol?? - Dog

"If I have any beliefs about immortality, it is that certain dogs I have known will go to heaven, and very, very few persons". James Thurber (1894 - 1961) Reply to this message | Report message

Thu 20 Jun 13 11:27   Dog attack - protocol?? - Roger.

Well he was a joker. Reply to this message | Report message