| Non-motoring > Fag end? | Miscellaneous |
| Thread Author: Runfer D'Hills | Replies: 58 |
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New Mon 12 Nov 12 21:58
Fag end? - Runfer D'Hills
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tinyurl.com/bka586h Interesting ( no doubt ) |
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New Tue 13 Nov 12 01:10
Fag end? - devonite
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| Ah! another victim of Ash die-back! |
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New Tue 13 Nov 12 18:40
Fag end? - PhilW
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Enjoy buying your booze with labels on while you can. And in bottles that distinguish your favourite from others (I always liked the Cardhu bottle!!)And then no booze at various supermarkets. It'll be next. And then it will be proving that your weight is within certain limits before being able to buy a MuckD burger, a Cornish Pasty or a Melton Pork pie. And when they finally ban ('cos that's what the bansters want) fags, booze etc enjoy the extra taxes on fuel for your car, home and any other price inelastic stuff they can find. P(leave me alone! - if I make the wrong decisions I will pay for it by dying early and saving you a fortune in care costs!) |
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New Tue 13 Nov 12 19:13
Fag end? - Harleyman
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Dunno what all the fuss is about. Nobody's ever complained about Aldi and Lidl not selling cigarettes over here, despite the fact that they do so in France; not sure about other European countries. My guess is that it means that the supermarkets get rid of a low-margin and labour-intensive part of the store (it being necessary of course to man the ciggy counter at all times) whilst giving themselves some health brownie points at the same time. The good news is that small shopkeepers will benefit. It certainly won't stop the Scots (or for that matter anyone else) smoking themselves to death, and anyone who claims otherwise is displaying a serious lack of nous. |
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New Tue 13 Nov 12 19:43
Fag end? - Zero
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The Scottish parliament have a problem. They were hoping this extra tax was going to raise one hundred million pounds. They have been a bit taken aback that the stores are actually banning the sale of ciggies.
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New Tue 13 Nov 12 19:49
Fag end? - R.P.
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| Also been a problem as far as burglaries are concerned - hi value, easily portable, easily saleable commodity. My local mini Asda where I work has had to invest quite a bit in anti-ciggie theft tech. |
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New Tue 13 Nov 12 19:56
Fag end? - rtj70
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>> My local mini Asda where I work has had to invest quite a bit in anti-ciggie theft tech. So you're working in ASDA now... sorry to hear that in some ways. :-) * * I assume you meant near to your CAB work? |
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New Tue 13 Nov 12 20:04
Fag end? - PhilW
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Oh, and I forgot - how about that little chip in your car that tells "them" exactly where you are, what speed you are going, whether you strayed into a bus lane, went over your allotted time in a parking place etc. And then, a chip in your bum to see if you are regular and had your recommended dose of fibre. Me? Paranoid? LEAVE ME ALONE! PS I have nothing to hide (honest) but please don't put a chip on my red wine bottle or cigar box |
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New Wed 14 Nov 12 10:02
Fag end? - Pat
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Have you heard about the 'little chip' that is mandatory in new tachographs from October 2012? It's a vehicle movement sensor and the theory is good. In practice it's based on GPS and it won't be too many years before all of a lorrie's movements are monitored hsitorically via a computer screen in a control room by VOSA. The speed limit for the type of road you are on, drivers hours breeches, however minor and even when you stop for a wee will be visible! I remember when we all threw our hands up in horror at identity cards.... Pat |
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New Wed 14 Nov 12 10:10
Fag end? - Duncan
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>> I remember when we all threw our hands up in horror at identity cards.... >> No we didn't! |
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New Wed 14 Nov 12 10:13
Fag end? - Pat
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We, as in working lorry drivers certainly did Duncan, and I seem to remember a few others objected as well. Pat |
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New Wed 14 Nov 12 16:29
Fag end? - Duncan
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>> We, as in working lorry drivers certainly did What was/is your objection to identity cards? |
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New Wed 14 Nov 12 16:39
Fag end? - Robin O'Reliant
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>> What was/is your objection to identity cards? >> As another one who objects to identity cards it's because I don't need one, I already know who I am and it's no-one else's business unless I choose to tell them. |
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New Wed 14 Nov 12 17:17
Fag end? - Pat
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Exactly RR, you have it in one. Pat |
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New Wed 14 Nov 12 17:26
Fag end? - No FM2R
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I don't care about carrying an identity card, I'm not paranoid and I don't care who knows who or where I am. I do like the idea that someone who is trying to conceal who or where they are stands slightly more chance of being busted. Stick a camera on every building and make photo ID compulsory. How on earth would that affect my life negatively? Same as a GPS chip in the cab; How can it conceivably hurt unless you're breaking the rules? And if you're breaking the rules, who cares what you think? There's nothing I do where someone knowing I'm doing it, or knowing who I am, is on the decision path. Last edited by: No FM2R on Wed 14 Nov 12 at 17:27
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New Wed 14 Nov 12 17:35
Fag end? - Dutchie
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| Nothing new about identity cards.I've got one at home of my mother taken at the start of WW2.Everybody in the village had to have a card no choice. |
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New Wed 14 Nov 12 18:42
Fag end? - Zero
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>> Nothing new about identity cards.I've got one at home of my mother taken at the >> start of WW2.Everybody in the village had to have a card no choice. German Panzers roaring through the village might have had something to do with it. The fact we have never been invaded or have any land borders has been the primary reasons for no ID cards |
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New Thu 15 Nov 12 21:07
Fag end? - NortonES2
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"The fact we have never been invaded" I refer that man to 1688. Even the Mail no that! tinyurl.com/cpdu6ym Not to mention the Duke of Normandy a little earlier than the Dutch. |
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New Thu 15 Nov 12 21:15
Fag end? - Zero
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>> "The fact we have never been invaded" I refer that man to 1688. Even the >> Mail no that! tinyurl.com/cpdu6ym >> >> Not to mention the Duke of Normandy a little earlier than the Dutch. You forgot 1797 www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofWales/The-Last-Invasion-of-Britain/ |
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New Wed 14 Nov 12 17:39
Fag end? - Pat
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>>How can it conceivably hurt unless you're breaking the rules? And if you're breaking the rules, who cares what you think? << *sharp intake of breath* Breaking the rules is a sin. Tell me another profession where you can be prosecuted for working 3 minutes too long? In practice a sensible VOSA chappie will look at this in context and see it is an isolated incident. Will that happen when it's computerised?..No, he won't, the system will generate a fixed penalty. There are long stretches on 40MPH single carriageway in the Fen where we are limited to 40MPH, they go on for miles and miles, but at 2am on a dark morning you can travel on them without ever seeing another vehicle. When (not if) this comes in, anything over 40MPH will be an instant speeding fine...would you want that type of regulation in your car? There is nothing more sleep inducing than boredom and setting CC to keep within the legal limit at that time of day is yet another recipe for disaster, but it will happen because we can't afforf to lose our licences. We're professionals so we're told, yet we're not allowed to judge speed and road conditions on a deserted road, in a vehicle we drive day in day out. Pat Last edited by: pda on Wed 14 Nov 12 at 17:40
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New Wed 14 Nov 12 17:49
Fag end? - No FM2R
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>>We're professionals so we're told, No, so you say. Repeatedly. You are paid to drive, if that's what you mean. Your rules say you may not drive for 3 minutes too long. Here's a radical idea - so don't. The law in your example says 40mph. That may be a ridiculous law. Nonetheless, your job rules say you must obey the law. So do. So, setting the CC to stay within the limit will send you to sleep. Setting the CC for 5 or 10 mph law would be strangely stimulating and therefore safer? My backside. The CC will get whatever, just at different speeds. >>we're not allowed to judge speed and road conditions on a deserted road That is correct. You are not. Or at least not if it would take you beyond the law. >>would you want that type of regulation in your car? Now that depends, do you mean if you are paying me to drive your car on your business, should I stay within the rules that you set? Then yes, stick the box in my car. And they should have a camera in the cab to stop the idiots texting while driving as well. And I'd have your seat wired to something painful in case you're detected overtaking something with less than a 5mph delta over a rolling 1/2 mile. And yes, in mine too, if that's what it takes. >>We're professionals And if you really think that means something, then act like it. And stay within the rules you are paid to stay within. It does not mean taking the money and then deciding which rules you think you'll agree to. Meanwhile, back on the subject of ID cards............ Last edited by: VxFan on Fri 23 Nov 12 at 00:58
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New Wed 14 Nov 12 18:02
Fag end? - Pat
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We were actually on the subject of fag ends if you look at the thread title. >>No, so you say. Repeatedly.<< No, actually we don't say that. It is constantly told to us when we do anything wrong, on here, in court, and in the Press. Try going to the Boss, the Union or any Haulage body and asking for a comparative wage for a professional and suddenly any Joe Bloggs can do our job and a national minimum wage is good enough for us. You can't have your cake and eat it. Ok Mark, so you get held up in an accident ahead of you and according to you we don't go over our time. So we park in a layby and sleep in the cab, risk having the trailer broken into, diesel pinched, nothing to eat, no toilet or tap to have a wash. But hey, we're just Professional lorry drivers, why would we need to eat, be safe, have a civilised wash or even a poo after a long days work? The one thing that keeps any driver awake is concentration and pushing on means concentration is needed with 26 tonnes behind you, cruise control would never be used in those circumstances. >> It does not mean taking the money and then deciding which rules you think you'll agree to<< And as for that remark, there are far more bosses about who want the load getting there on time at minimal cost and don't want you to get caught, never mind staying within the rules. I'd love to sit you in my passenger seat for a week and let you see just what this job is all about, you clearly haven't a clue. Pat Last edited by: VxFan on Fri 23 Nov 12 at 00:55
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New Wed 14 Nov 12 18:36
Fag end? - No FM2R
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>>you clearly haven't a clue. Admittedly many years ago, but I did both 7 ton multi drop and Class 1 Store deliveries for Debenhams. Also relief at Salserv in Bracknell and lease delivery for Bratts in Reading. So you're wrong. >>The one thing that keeps any driver awake is concentration Well, that and getting enough sleep. >>and pushing on means concentration is needed with 26 tonnes behind you So its a risk because you have 26 tonnes behind you, and you want that risk because it keeps you awake? No flaw there, then. >>there are far more bosses about who want the load getting there on time at minimal cost and don't want you to get caught, never mind staying within the rules. So what are you worried about then? Either the boss will tolerate you getting caught, or you'll be immune from his pressure? Seems like a win win for you. >>But hey, we're just Professional lorry drivers, why would we need to eat, be safe, have a civilised wash or evena poo after a long days work? And that is related to ID cards and GPS units in the cab how? Of course you should have these things. But exactly how are they related? >>actually we don't say that. It is constantly told to us when we do anything wrong, on here, in court, and in the Press. I know, and then the bullying swine made you name your association... umm... now what was it? Oh yes, I remember "The Professional Drivers Association". Last edited by: VxFan on Fri 23 Nov 12 at 00:55
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New Wed 14 Nov 12 18:53
Fag end? - Pat
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You may well like to appear to be a bullying swine to some mark, but you have a long way to go before you will bully me. As a lorry driver, long gone you know as well as I do, that you're talking a load of *******. Pat Last edited by: VxFan on Fri 23 Nov 12 at 00:56
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New Wed 14 Nov 12 19:06
Fag end? - No FM2R
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>>You may well like to appear to be a bullying swine to some mark I may, although I doubt it. But that's not really my issue. I find its usually said by someone without the ability or knowledge to back up earlier wild claims and rash statements. I pretty much never say something I can't back up. Not that that makes me right, but at least it makes me responsible. Not, I hasten to say, that I would think that you are of that group. Although you are rather quick to bring it up, given how little you say it would bother you even if it was true. >>you know as well as I do, you're talking a load of *******. I most certainly do not. I find that most people bang on about their rights. I find few bang on about their responsibilities. Denying you the flexibility to manage your time/speed is something you think is wrong. I've never knowingly seen you drive, but denying me the right to make reasonable progress by a truck driver overtaking another at +2mph is seen as perfectly acceptable by those same people. You may be responsible, but many in your job are not. And given their reputation at large, I rather think you and your type are in teh minority. Still nothing to do with GPS & ID cards though. Last edited by: VxFan on Fri 23 Nov 12 at 00:56
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New Thu 15 Nov 12 19:25
Fag end? - PhilW
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"I've never knowingly seen you drive, but denying me the right to make reasonable progress by a truck driver overtaking another at +2mph is seen as perfectly acceptable by those same people." I wonder how much of that is due to the use of tachographs and the fact that the truck driver might be worried that his hours might be up when he is only 10 minutes away from base/home and will have to spend another night out sleeping in the cab? Not all cabs have luxury appointments. I can assure you that sleeping/spending 9 hrs in a cab in a layby with no facilities is no fun. 'course, we could always even up the playing field by insisting that all cars also have tachos, are limited to 53 mph, 48 hours off from driving at the weekend, 45mins break in every 4 hours driving etc etc. I'm sure it would make the roads much safer! Strange that I am so limited (when on the little transporters I drive occasionally) yet can hitch a blooming great caravan to back of my car and drive for 24 hrs a day if I feel like it. |
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New Thu 15 Nov 12 19:33
Fag end? - Focusless
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>> and drive for 24 hrs a day if I feel like it. That's the important point isn't it - in general the chances are you won't feel like it so won't, whereas there are other (probably financial) factors influencing the lorry driver's decision which means it's more likely they will. |
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New Thu 15 Nov 12 20:25
Fag end? - rtj70
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A question for Pat or any other knowing the answer.... You're returning to base in your HGV and nearing your daily hours but ought to get there in time. Then close to the end of the journey you are held up (say an accident ahead) and cannot get back in time.... where would you be expected to leave the HGV? If you run out of time then you cannot drive it at all? So lets say the accident/holdup was on a motorway.... when the road is clear what would you have to do. You are not allowed to drive it surely? And the nearest place to park up may involve driving. I suppose if you were really close to the depot someone else could come but this all makes me wonder. Or does the holdup count as a break that allows you to drive longer? Note I am saying you are close to the hours before the holdup. Last edited by: rtj70 on Thu 15 Nov 12 at 20:25
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New Thu 15 Nov 12 20:51
Fag end? - PhilW
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Pat will know better than me, but I would drive to nearest available services and park up for the night. Do a print out of tacho and write on back of print out the reasons for exceeding hours. "I suppose if you were really close to the depot someone else could come" You'd be lucky!! People from depot are usually long gone and uncontactable!! .********** P Digital tachos are merciless - no room for sensible decisions. I've been trapped minutes away from making a car delivery at a certain time and having to call and say - sorry, got to take a break, will be 45 mins late. Or stuck having to take an 11 hour break a few miles away from a delivery or home. Or if you forget to click the button and your break doesn't register and the damn thing is flashing its light telling you to take a break when you set off again. Or, you take a 30 min break but it doesn't count unless the tacho registers 31 mins so you have to take another 30(31) min break, or (as when I first started) I clicked it onto "other work" instead of "rest" overnight so I couldn't set off for another 9 hours. Mind you, would have helped if I'd had some instruction instead of being told "just stick it in and it will look after itself" Bit like my Dad said when I was entering my teens!!! |
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New Thu 15 Nov 12 22:40
Fag end? - CGNorwich
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Actually the rule on unexpected delays are very reasonable and nowhere near as draconian as perhaps has been intimated. From VOSA: Rules on Drivers Hours' and Tachographs Provided that road safety is not jeopardised, and to enable a driver to reach a suitable stopping place, a departure from the EU rules may be permitted to the extent necessary to ensure the safety of persons, the vehicle or its load. Drivers must note all the reasons for doing so on the back of their tachograph record sheets (if using an analogue tachograph) or on a printout or temporary sheet (if using a digital tachograph) at the latest on reaching the suitable stopping place (see relevant sections covering manual entries). Repeated and regular occurrences, however, might indicate to enforcement officers that employers were not in fact scheduling work to enable compliance with the applicable rules. A judgment by the European Court of Justice dated 9 November 1995 provides a useful guide to how this provision should be interpreted. It can apply only in cases where it unexpectedly becomes impossible to comply with the rules on drivers’ hours during the course of a journey. In other words, planned breaches of the rules are not allowed. This means that when an unforeseen event occurs, it would be for the driver to decide whether it was necessary to depart from the rules. In doing so, a driver would have to take into account the need to ensure road safety in the process (e.g. when driving a vehicle carrying an abnormal load under the Special Types regulations) and any instruction that may be given by an enforcement officer (e.g. when under police escort). Week 3 23 SECTION 1: EU & AETR rules on drivers’ hours Some examples of such events are delays caused by severe weather, road traffic accidents, mechanical breakdowns, interruptions of ferry services and any event that causes or is likely to cause danger to the life or health of people or animals. Note that this concession only allows for drivers to reach a suitable stopping place, not necessarily to complete their planned journey. Drivers and operators would be expected to reschedule any disrupted work to remain in compliance with the EU rules. www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/Rules%20on%20Drivers%20Hours%20and%20Tachographs%20-%20Goods%20Vehicles%20in%20GB%20and%20Europe.pdf |
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New Fri 16 Nov 12 04:26
Fag end? - Pat
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>>Actually the rule on unexpected delays are very reasonable and nowhere near as draconian as perhaps has been intimated. << Very well done CG, you have done an excellent job of copying and pasting a section from the VOSA website including the EU and AETR rules on drivers hours. Such a shame that you've failed to take into account the various rulings on the interpretation of the law by Traffic commissioners all over the country. But why bother with that? It would mean the very real lorry drivers on this forum (who do the job day in and day out) would be speaking the truth, far better to depict us as exaggerating, hard done by and whinging so and so's. Facts: >>and to enable a driver to reach a suitable stopping place<< The next lay by is considered to be this. >>that when an unforeseen event occurs<< An unforeseen event is not an accident on the M25 on a Friday afternoon, this is considered to be the norm and we should *expect* it to happen It is not traffic congestion in rush hour as that is a daily event and even if worse than usual we should have used our crystal ball and expected it to happen. Severe weather: if it has been forecast and indeed been worsening TC's have been known to rule that this is not unexpected and the onus is on the driver to stop before their time is getting short and the hold ups occur. Try telling the Transport Manager you are going to park up with 2 hours left to run because it's just starting to snow....Cue: a Basil Fawlty type of explosion down the phone. >>Note that this concession only allows for drivers to reach a suitable stopping place<< It all sounds quite reasonable until you reach the 'suitable stopping place' bit and find some TC who goes home to a shower, toilet break, shave, shampoo and a hot meal at night has ruled that it is safer for a lorry driver to have none of those but to spend 11 hours in a cab so as not to be a danger to other road users when there may well be a service area 20 mile up the road. I love the look into the forum posters world I get on here. I learn a lot about the insurance world from Mark, greater understanding of the Police from WP, Woodster and Fullchat. Even my old sparring partner Lygonos interests me with 'insider' tales:) There are many others too. I wouldn't dream of questioning them or accusing them of exagerating, I respect the information they give me. Why then, do non lorry drivers always seem to know more about this job than those of us who do it? Pat Last edited by: VxFan on Fri 23 Nov 12 at 00:57
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New Fri 16 Nov 12 09:09
Fag end? - Bromptonaut
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Out of interest Pat, how recent are those Commissioners (and are they appealable to the Transport Tribunal?). I'd have thought that, particularly as regards driver and load security, a layby might no longer be regarded as safe. Wry grin about the TC going home for a shower and shave - I suspect at least three of them go home and get dinner for husbands/partners!! |
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New Fri 16 Nov 12 10:01
Fag end? - Pat
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www.gov.uk/government/publications/traffic-commissioners Here we are Bromp. Incidentally they also have the power to suspend our HGV licence for any period of time they think fit, even after a court case and/or a general licence ban has ended. Repeated infringements can mean we are not of 'good repute' so have to before them to explain why. Beverly Bell is the one we all fear:) Pat |
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New Fri 16 Nov 12 03:56
Fag end? - Pat
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Phil has answered this very accurately rtj. If you run out of time you can only drive a car. You would be expected to park in the next available parking space (a lay by is considered to be that) and take a break of 11 or 9 hours if you had a reduced break (9 hours) available to you for that week. If you are on a motorway it would be to thnextxy exit (anlay byby) or Service area which ever comes first. The law on this doesn't take into account that there isn't a toilet, tap, food or, drink available or even that you may not have bedding or a cab equipped for sleeping in to make this compulsory *rest* break fit for purpose. Yes, someone could come out and fetch you if you were close to home but even thenrulingsrulins on the lawdeterminedrmined that the car that is brought out for you to drive *should* be your own ( but the keys are in your pocket), OR if it is a company vehicle the lorry driver must not return to the yard and must go straight home in it. In a different situation it is common to see drivers sitting in layby's just 3 or 4 miles fowherease wher the need a 45 minute break in driving time before they can drive those 3 miles and then finish work and go home for the night (45 minutes later than if they hadn't had to have the break) Drivers hours laws are absolutely mad and so very complicated, and a minefield for anyone to understand but are clearly biased on what is a 'one size fits all situations' theory. It doesn't. Pat |
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New Fri 16 Nov 12 08:27
Fag end? - rtj70
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| Thanks for the replies all. I suspected it was something like this - i.e. no applying some common sense. How making you stay in a layby for 9 or 11 hours without any facilities, water or food. Someone will no doubt chip in and say you ought to plan for this and have water and food. But there's still no toilet. And then there's security of driver and the load to think of too. |
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New Wed 14 Nov 12 17:48
Fag end? - Armel Coussine
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>> Same as a GPS chip in the cab; How can it conceivably hurt unless you're breaking the rules? And if you're breaking the rules, who cares what you think? That attitude strikes me as naively rigid about 'rules', quite a few of which are regularly and deliberately broken by perfectly respectable and moral individuals. Clearly FMR your life hasn't ever been made a misery by some literal-minded, spiteful jobsworth who has spotted you bending a goddamn 'rule'. Mine hasn't either, but it often happens to, for example, lorry drivers who have worked a few minutes too many in a 24-hour period. I agree about identity cards. They don't make me paranoid either. After all I've got a passport and photo driving licence, both with photos that make me look like a criminal. CCTV makes everyone look like a criminal too. Yee-hah! |
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New Wed 14 Nov 12 17:53
Fag end? - No FM2R
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>>Clearly FMR your life hasn't ever been made a misery by some literal-minded, spiteful jobsworth Obviously not clearly enough, you're wrong. Which is ok, as I've said before, I hate change. I was paid to be hounded. And when the hounding vs compensation balance no longer worked for me, I stopped doing it. I didn't whine that I was a professional xxxx and therefore exempt. |
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New Wed 14 Nov 12 19:17
Fag end? - Armel Coussine
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>> I didn't whine that I was a professional xxxx All the more admirable that you managed to become one in the end then. |
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New Wed 14 Nov 12 19:20
Fag end? - No FM2R
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Armel, accept it, what relevance you had has past. You'll be happier if you just accept it and live a little more quietly. You make your silly comments about Ash trees, you complain that Zero bullies you and you look for opportunities for your sad little snipes. You write your meandering, badly constructed and pompous pieces, and then feel a little better for a little while. I think its all getting too much for you. Toddle along now, there's a good chap. Last edited by: No FM2R on Wed 14 Nov 12 at 19:21
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New Wed 14 Nov 12 19:26
Fag end? - Armel Coussine
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| An example of what I mean FMR: shrill, offensive, dishonest and generally mistaken. Zero has been a great disappointment to me. You should be so lucky. Tchah! |
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New Tue 13 Nov 12 20:06
Fag end? - Bromptonaut
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HM, You may have noticed that Aldi in France is differently branded to Aldi here. That's because the brothers who founded the business in Germany fell out over whether or not to sell ciggies. They split their German business into two, Aldi Nord and Aldi Sud, with the rest of Europe divi'd up between them. UK is Aldi Sud territory, France Aldi Nord. Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Tue 13 Nov 12 at 20:07
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New Tue 13 Nov 12 20:21
Fag end? - Robin O'Reliant
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| It's those pictures they put on the cigarette packets that annoy me. How the hell do they expect children to take up smoking if they frighten them with sick images like that? |
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New Wed 14 Nov 12 08:10
Fag end? - Cliff Pope
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>> It's those pictures they put on the cigarette packets that annoy me. How the hell >> do they expect children to take up smoking if they frighten them with sick images >> like that? >> They should put a picture of a bankrupt government, strugling to raise enough taxation to pay for pensions and health care. |
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New Tue 13 Nov 12 21:43
Fag end? - Harleyman
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>> UK is Aldi Sud territory, France Aldi Nord. >> Cheers Bromp, you learn summat new every day. :) |
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New Tue 13 Nov 12 22:46
Fag end? - Roger.
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Certainly ALDI in the UK is incomparably better than ALDI in Spain, where LIDL outplays it comprehensively. Last edited by: Roger on Tue 13 Nov 12 at 22:46
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New Fri 16 Nov 12 10:04
Fag end? - Pat
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Looks like we're back to writing posts in Word again as IE9 is playing up again writing gobbledegook. It's been fine now for weeks so has anything been done behind the scenes that may have accidentally caused this? Pat |
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New Fri 16 Nov 12 11:58
Fag end? - Zero
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| pat, its a IE9 issue, not a site issue - Does it on other sites as well. You'll be interested to know it works on on Windows 8 (IE10) |
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New Fri 16 Nov 12 12:03
Fag end? - Pat
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I know, but it's odd that it's been ok for weeks and has just started doing it again....just as I'd stopped bothering to check it! Pat |
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New Fri 16 Nov 12 16:25
Fag end? - Pat
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We also have to contend with these all over the country too. www.expressandstar.com/news/crime/2012/11/16/police-lorry-tackling-the-criminals-video/ Did anyone spot the deliberate mistake? While I fully agree both the lorry drivers on the phone deserve prosecution, does it give PC Nairn the right to drive his lorry with one hand while on the two way radio? Pat |
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New Fri 16 Nov 12 16:29
Fag end? - Robin O'Reliant
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>> While I fully agree both the lorry drivers on the phone deserve prosecution, does it >> give PC Nairn the right to drive his lorry with one hand while on the >> two way radio? >> >> Pat >> Legally it does, the law does not apply to two-way radios. |
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New Fri 16 Nov 12 16:30
Fag end? - Pat
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I realise that RR, but I would love a sensible explanation as to why Angus is safe to do it but we are not:) Pat |
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New Fri 16 Nov 12 16:36
Fag end? - No FM2R
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>>the law does not apply to two-way radios That's always struck me as odd on these television police shows, the whole idea of using a two way whle driving at speed must be daft, mustn't it? Last edited by: No FM2R on Fri 16 Nov 12 at 16:36
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New Fri 16 Nov 12 16:32
Fag end? - rtj70
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| Clearly the PC is in the wrong too! |
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New Fri 16 Nov 12 16:34
Fag end? - Pat
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He used to be a struggling owner driver ....I can say no more:) Pat |
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New Fri 16 Nov 12 16:57
Fag end? - Robin O'Reliant
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| He's the guy who used to be in those reality cop shows, isn't he? I must say I took an instant dislike to him, he reminded me of those ADI's who could never make a living at the job, had poor pass rates and who ended up as examiners where they were invariably harsh and unforgiving. |
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New Fri 16 Nov 12 16:59
Fag end? - Pat
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Got it in one RR, we know him as Poacher turned Gamekeeper;) Pat Last edited by: pda on Fri 16 Nov 12 at 16:59
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New Fri 16 Nov 12 17:05
Fag end? - Pat
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Interesting reading here on the fourth post down RR! www.trucknetuk.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=60104 Pat |
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New Fri 16 Nov 12 17:10
Fag end? - Robin O'Reliant
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>> Interesting reading here on the fourth post down RR! >> >> www.trucknetuk.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=60104 >> >> Pat >> He fits the bill. I'm afraid I have nothing but contempt for his type. |
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New Fri 16 Nov 12 17:13
Fag end? - Pat
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Me too. It's a shame because by and large, lorry drivers do have the utmost repect for the Police and VOSA, even when being caught for something. There's still enough of us around who remember running along the same road as that vehicle, and it does more to damage the respect than any other thing could do. Pat |
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