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Last edited by: VxFan on Tue 6 Nov 12 at 01:03
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Trust Alanovic to turn a thread on Jimmy Savile into a socialist rant.
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>> Do stop trolling.
Lol! I imagined that you were trolling. "I think I would have suffered a nervous breakdown if my parents had insisted on a boarding school."
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Based on what I experienced personally, and saw went on involving other children as a day pupil at part-boarding prep school, I would certainly have been at risk of some kind of nervous breakdown if I'd been sent to a senior boarding school. I was a timid child, keenly attached to my parents at that age, it would not have suited me. I have no idea why you think that's either funny or trolling.
There's nothing "socialist" in this tale, it's merely my personal experience. My two children are both now in private schools if it makes you feel any better, and you may well have read on other threads of my voting history, which so far as I can tell does not include any particularly "socialist" parties. I can see with my own eyes that the circumstances around my own schooling are very unlikely to arise at my children's school, and I am happy with that.
Hence, my calling "troll" on your comment about socialism. I've said this to you before, but speaking to you is like conversing with the wife, my interlocutor seems to read far more in to my words than exist.
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>> Trust Alanovic to turn a thread on Jimmy Savile into a socialist rant.
It's a tough job. Somebody has to do it!!
Seriously though, if you're referring to his post about his schooling, I'm not really seeing the socialism.
But then again if you can accuse me of influencing my daughter's friend in rejecting Oxford Uni anything is possible.
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A different case but a one who did not get away
A former serviceman and miner who sexually assaulted four girls in south Wales between 1949 and 1973 has been jailed for 11 years.
Reginald Davies, 78, was convicted at Kingston Crown Court
Davies had moved to Australia in 1974.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-20093247
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The more newspaper headlines I see, the more I'm beginning to think that what Jimmy Savile did was, in a lot of cases, trivial in comparison with the wording of the headlines. The front page headline in this week's edition of our local weekly says "I saw Savile groping girl at TV studio". However, in the article the reporter said he'd seen "Jim'll Fix It host pinch a girl's bottom" and later in the article he said "he squeezed the bottom of ....". My understanding of "groping" is putting a hand under the clothing, not just pinching or squeezing on the outside of the clothing.
Last edited by: L'escargot on Sat 27 Oct 12 at 07:23
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Its the difference between sexual assault and a serious sexual assault, already occupied the mind of John Humphreys on Radio 4 during a discussion with Harriet Harman a few days ago.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2219442/BBCs-John-Humphrys-calls-Jimmy-Saviles-alleged-abuse-banter.html
Still that doesn't make him a nice man. He had a right duffing on the News Quiz last night.
Last edited by: R.P. on Sat 27 Oct 12 at 07:33
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>> It's the difference between sexual assault and a serious sexual assault, ..........
In that case I sexually assaulted my hairdresser when I pinched her arm recently.
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>> when I pinched her arm recently.
Did you eventually give it back to her?
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>> >> when I pinched her arm recently.
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>> Did you eventually give it back to her?
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I'm not telling you, so there!
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>> I'm not telling you, so there!
Come on, where's the arm.
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He hasnt got a leg to stand on.
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Aw leave him alone, snails are armless.
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He's been fingered now, won't be long before he gets the elbow.
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Sometimes with paedophiles, one wonders about this country's ability to prosecute them properly. Take the bloke who absconded from from North Sea Camp open prison in Boston, Lincolnshire on Tuesday October 9 after being let out on day release.
He is described as: "dangerous and predatory. He is believed to have carried out a very serious sexual attack in Tayside, Scotland, since he absconded." and from the same article: "Police refused to release details of the Scottish assault. But they disclosed Leach is also thought to have been involved in an incident in Preston city centre on October 17 involving two schoolgirls."
So how was he in an open prison? Why did they let him out on day release? The mind boggles.
Last edited by: rtj70 on Sat 27 Oct 12 at 18:37
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It is also worth knowing why he was in prison anyway, certainly an Open Prison was not appropriate IMO. He has a 30 year history of offending
"Cyrus failed to return to North Sea Camp open prison in Boston, Lincolnshire after day release while serving a life sentence for assaulting and robbing a 90-year-old woman in Ribbleton, Lancashire.
He also has convictions for burglary, sex offences against a young girl and assault where he targeted elderly people in their homes."
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Err, I'm not one to tell tales but, I saw Brucie "touching" Tess on Strictly this evening
I'm sure yule read all about it sooner or later, in the DiM.
:-}
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I doubt if Brucie would survive a cuff around the ear from Tess. :-)
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Just to throw some petrol around....
If one is to believe the accusations, and it would seem there must be some level of truth, Savile messed around with underage girls and inappropriately touched some older women. And potentially messed around with some vulnerable people as well.
As I say, if one accepts as true, then clearly he was a deeply unpleasant man.
However, don't we think that the reaction is a bit seriously over the top, since surely murder, child kidnapping and the like are much worse, yet we seem less scandalised over those.
Don't get me wrong, if its true I'd have him put down (except he's actually dead already). Its the moral outrage which bothers me. Especially from the catholic church!
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It's presumably the fact he was a house-hold name, based to a large extent on all his 'good deeds'. Big contrast.
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More to do with selling newspapers IMO.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3zyy272DLk&feature=related
Aspel looked a bag of nerves pretending not to know Jimmy.What is going on with these posh speaking so and so's at the BBC .Where they all at it.?Freddy Star is cracking up. I wonder who is going to sing first about some top people.
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>> More to do with selling newspapers IMO.
But that's what they do all the time. They would make as much fuss about every murder/child abduction if they could ie. people were interested enough.
There's also the lure of the other 'big' names that have become linked with the investigation, with more on the horizon apparently.
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Garry Glitter arrested.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20114378
Well thats a breakthrough.
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We are now hearing about JS's family's 'torment' but, IMHO, they must have known a lot about all this beforehand but chose to say nothing. Let's face it, if you'd just spent £4,000 on a marble monument, hideous as it was, you'd want more than 24hrs worth of accusations before you smashed it up and took it to the dump.
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Ah yes, the "they must have known" accusation.
Guilty!
Burn them!
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"Guilty! Burn them!"
You said that, CGN, not me.
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Wonder how the press "knew" that Gadd was going to be arrested - tip off by the Police ? Or Gadd's PR ?
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Hey it wasn't a huge bit of detective work to know he would be involved somewhere, I bet they were camping outside his gaff.
They wil be camping outside Freddie Stars gaff.
And Jonathon Kins gaff...
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I just assumed they have been stalking him and keeping an eye on his house. It was pretty obvious he was going to be arrested any day soon.
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I know you didn't but the assumption that people "must have known or must have been aware" is a dangerous one to make and has often led to unjust accusations. For what its worth my impression of JS's nephew when interviewed on the TV was of a genuine and decent man struggling to comes to terms with a very difficult situation.
Too much supposition without much in the way of evidence in seldom a good idea.
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I don't know what my cousin's get up beyond their public persona. May get a shock one day.
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The local BBC news is reporting that JSs cottage in Glencoe has been vandalised.
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>>The local BBC news is reporting that JSs cottage in Glencoe has been vandalised.
The mind boggles trying to understand the thought process or philosophy of the retarded planks involved that would see such an action as reasonable.
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I just saw that article on the Beeb and was wondering what exactly they hoped to achieve or prove by vandalising a dead man's home, other than their own stupidity.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-20116281
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Agreed, allegedly three not very bright 20 year olds who parked their car outside while they were there. In that part of the world everyone will know who it was.
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>> The mind boggles trying to understand the thought process or philosophy of the retarded planks involved that would see such an action as reasonable.
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Generally people who themselves have unsavoury backgrounds and realise deep down that most people would not want to live next door to them. They are overjoyed to find someone they can feel morally superior to and they feel the need to advertise the fact.
Last edited by: Robin Regal on Sun 28 Oct 12 at 19:33
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Same sort of people who trashed a paediatrician's home a number of years ago in the mistaken belief that paediatrics is a branch of paedophilia
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Lovely house that one of saviles at Glencoe, can't see anyone buying it and living in it now, you'd forever wonder what might had happended within those walls.
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yes its a senseless pointless act of stupidity.
cant say I have a great deal of sympathy for the victim tho, and as gordon the gopher says, who would buy it and live in it - it will have to be flattened.
Last edited by: Zero on Sun 28 Oct 12 at 21:03
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>>We are now hearing about JS's family's 'torment' but, IMHO, they must have known a lot about all this beforehand but chose to say nothing.
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One family member says it was known within the family about JS
She was saysing that her grandmother ( JS sister) was lavished with all sorts of things to ensure nowt came out.
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>> Garry Glitter arrested.
Ah good. The JS jokes were starting to get a bit thin of late.
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Now for some sparkling wit!
All which glitters {glisters - I know :-)} is not gold
Last edited by: Roger on Mon 29 Oct 12 at 09:36
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I bet he turns out to be the leader of the gang
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>> Now for some sparkling wit!
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>> All which glitters {glisters - I know :-)} is not gold
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All that glitters is not old?
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>> Glitter IS old!
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You wait until you're the same age as Gary Glitter (i.e. 68) and then see whether you like to be seen as old, or whether you feel old.
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Was "Do You Want to Touch Me" an early Glitter hit?
Some sickipedia material there methinks!!!!
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>> >> or whether you feel old.
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A man's only as old as the woman he feels - Groucho Marx
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>> >> Glitter IS old!
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>> You wait until you're the same age as Gary Glitter (i.e. 68) and then see
>> whether you like to be seen as old, or whether you feel old.
ÃOye!
I'm 77 next December and I am old!
BUT - at the time of writing I'm still alive (ish).
My siesta beckons!
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SWMBO says there is a new aspect of who knew what in the BBC.
Apparently the message was " Do not let JS anywhere near "Children in Need" events.
It does seem interesting, if true, that he was never involved.
Now hitting the press!
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9640407/Creepy-Jimmy-Savile-was-banned-from-Children-in-Need.html
Sir Roger Jones, OBE, former chairman of Children in Need said: "He was a creepy sort of character - we didn't want him anywhere near the charity."
Sir Roger, 69, was also a governor of BBC Wales at the time. He said he did not have evidence to report Savile to management at the Corporation.
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"The National Association for People Abused in Childhood is demanding an "on air" apology during this years's Children in Need appeal due to be screen on Friday November 16."
Why this obsession with apologies? Does that make it all better?
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>>Sir Roger Jones, OBE, former chairman of Children in Need said: "He was a creepy sort of character - we didn't want him anywhere near the charity."
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2224750/Jimmy-Savile-banned-BBC-Children-Need-creepy-sort-character.html
the interview.
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>> www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2224750/Jimmy-Savile-banned-BBC-Children-Need-creepy-sort-character.html
>> the interview.
In summary then Sir Roger didn't like the cut of Sir Jimmy's jib.
'We all thought he was a bit odd' isn't much of a basis for investigation never mind conviction.
Hopefully Dame Janet Smith will approach this in same forensic way she did the Shipman Inquiry. Her remit should be extended to cover hospitals and other institutions as well as the BBC.
At the end we can then have a clear set of allegations albeit with names redacted and some sort of conclusion as to whether each is sustainable or not.
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His estate has now been frozen in case the money is needed for compensation claims.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20162980#
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Freddie Star has been arrested says Sky
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Jonathon King next.... (again)
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"The page you requested was removed."
WOW! You an ex-BIB and all.
;>)
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>> Freddie Star has been arrested says Sky
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Released on Police bail.
Pictures of Starr on TV this morning with the fiance. She looks like she is 1/2 his age.
Reminds me of Mrs Merton's question to Debbie Magee............."what first attracted you to the multi-millionaire"
And the said Miss Magee was a lot nearer his age than Starr's fiance.
Never mind, I might win £95m on tonight's Euro Lottery!
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>> Pictures of Starr on TV this morning with the fiance.
Sophie, 34, said it's disgusting what they're doing to my Freddie. I've never known him do anything like this in the 20 years we've been together
;)
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It seems as if the moral of the story is that if you want to claim damages from someone then wait for them to die so that they can't defend themselves, and then make your claim before the deceased's executors have had time to administer the will. It seems to be all about timing.
Last edited by: L'escargot on Fri 2 Nov 12 at 07:15
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L'es has a point, i daresay among the genuinly wronged some who happened to be there at the time have jumped on the claim bandwagon.
Will compo help with coming to terms or fix the wrongs?
Similarly if some old perv who didn't have two ha'pennies to scratch his backside kicked the bucket would there be so many, would there be the slightest interest from the current investigators or media?
Last edited by: gordonbennet on Fri 2 Nov 12 at 07:40
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I wish he was still here, I'd love to hear just how he would defend himself.
Pat
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>> I wish he was still here, I'd love to hear just how he would defend
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At least he would be given the opportunity to defend himself. Everybody deserves to have that opportunity.
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>> At least he would be given the opportunity to defend himself. Everybody deserves to have
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But the paradox is that whole situation and the question of defence or otherwise has only arisen precisely because he is dead.
Alive - no charges, therefore no defence necessary.
Dead - charges, no defence possible.
Take your pick.
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I really don't think he deserves anything L'es, he has already had more than his fair share of goodwill from all and sundry.
After all, if you do no wrong you don't need to defend yourself.
Pat
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>> After all, if you do no wrong you don't need to defend yourself.
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>> Pat
I 'm sorry Pat but that's nonsense on stilts. Every not guilty verdict involves a defence.
And that's before we get onto the Birmingham Six and multiple other miscarriages of justice down the years.
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I'll simplify that just for you B:)
Had he have lived his life as he appeared to, then the overwhelming accusations wouldn't have been forthcoming after his death.
Now, don't try and tie me up with criminal justice procedure!
Otherwise I will post come cycling facts.....
Pat
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Pat
There's lots of evidence coming out that Savile was a rum 'un. One suspects that the criminal investigations in his lifetime might have gone further had it not been for the 'charitable hero in dock' angle.
But a do no wrong and fear no investigation principle unfortunately falls down time after time.
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>>But a do no wrong and fear no investigation principle unfortunately falls down time after time. <<
I take your point, but it's done me pretty well (and I suspect most of us on here) all of my life.
Pat
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>> >>But a do no wrong and fear no investigation principle unfortunately falls down time after
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>> I take your point, but it's done me pretty well (and I suspect most of
>> us on here) all of my life.
Indeed, but I doubt you, or anyone else on here has never "done no wrong" in some form or other. We are all wrongdoers in some respects, its only a matter of degree that separates us.
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>> It seems as if the moral of the story is that if you want to
>> claim damages from someone then wait for them to die so that they can't defend
>> themselves, and then make your claim before the deceased's executors have had time to administer
>> the will. It seems to be all about timing.
NonoNONOOOOooooooooooooooooo
All that is just process and planning. The Moral is keep your trap shut if they dont have any money.
Edit as GB above said.
Last edited by: Zero on Fri 2 Nov 12 at 07:49
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pebpr.blogspot.co.uk/
The things you find on the web.
Newsnight are due to show a program apparently, if legally cleared.
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I see newsnight chickened out of naming, despite it being all over the interweb thingmy.
I thought 'you couldn't libel the dead'.
Has something changed, not that I should worry after I'm gone. ;>)
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>> pebpr.blogspot.co.uk/
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>> The things you find on the web.
I find it hard to believe that you came across that just by chance!
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I see another one has been (ahem!) dug up then:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2227171/
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My capacity for believing all this is now completely used up. I've had to stop taking it seriously.
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A link from a posting in the comments section of order-order.com.
(In reply to Monsieur Snail)
Last edited by: Roger on Sat 3 Nov 12 at 09:19
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It is hard to take in what has gone on here.I still think Saville was the tip of the Iceberg.A similair situation happened in Belgium and high ranking ministers where involved.Arresting and releasing a popstar and comedian won't solve this.If it ever will be solved.
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I am not one for conspiracy theories . Paranoai does not rule.
But when you look at the deliberate efforts by a judge to prevent news in 2012 on a very topical issue coupled with the repeated unwillingness of the police to seriously investigate complaints over decades, you have to wonder.
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www.rebeccatelevision.com/articles/mason_free_01
Just remembered about this - now that the Kraken has now been re-awoken on the Bryn Alun Children's Home - a North Wales Police Superintendent was implicated in that affair. He fought the allegations ferociously at the time. Maybe a few more sleepless nights for him ?
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Don't wonder just say what you think Scotsman.There will be a cover up by the BBC they can't do anything else.Unfortenately there are lots of sick people in our soceity with a warped sense of excistence.Most of us don't want to believe what is going on.
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Well UK heavy industry may have gone and "the City" may be going down the tubes but we certainly have a new industry springing up - "Inquiries" www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-20196086
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The Uk has always been the world leader in P&P
Perverts and Pedophiles.
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>> The Uk has always been the world leader in P&P
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>> Perverts and Pedophiles.
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How do you work that one out..or have I missed the humour?
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>> >> The Uk has always been the world leader in P&P
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>> How do you work that one out..or have I missed the humour?
Yup.
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>> industry springing up - "Inquiries"
One of the better jokes incurrent Private Eye is spoof govt announcement of plans for an 'inquiry-led recovery'.
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Chortle - they have a way of touching the Vibe.
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Someone else has come forward to say that they had fingers shoved up their backsides by dead BBC TV stars !!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sooty2011.png
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Jimmy Savile. Vol 5. - Mapmaker
