For Apple device owners - are you planning on upgrading in two hours time when IOS6 is released?
I'm not sure that these new fangled Apple maps are going to cut it, and will miss Google Maps.
Don't care much about losing Youtube, given you can already download that as a separate app if you want.
Don't have any interest in Passport or Siri or Facebook integration.
Not sure there's anything else of importance, is there, other than some cosmetic tweaks?
Still, I'm change resistant, my HR dept tells me, so that explains me.
Who's diving in with the update?
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What's the issue with Apple's maps. They won't be creating the base data for this. If they've dropped Google (who used Navteq/Nokia?) and are going with TomTom/TeleAtlas.
What iPhone do you have. Some facilities will be restricted for older devices knowing Apple. I doubt there's Siri on an iPhone 4 or 3GS since there wasn't in iOS5.
But if anyone is an Apple fan, surely you have to upgrade. It's free anyway for iPhone (will be charged for iPods probably.... so what about iPads?).
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But don't forget the Google based maps did not offer turn-by-turn directions. That was reserved for Google's Android platform.
Apple didn't want to pay for that I guess and it's understandable. A comparison for static mapping between iOS5 and iOS6 is surely more relevant.
They might well have a way to go for navigation.
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Mmm, good point. Not useful to me as I have the TomTom app anyway, but even so, that is a plus for Apple maps.
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The navigation is all but useless for Iphone 3g and 4 users, and other features are missing. For IOS6 to be any real upgrade you need to be 4S or 5 hardware.
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That's what I assumed. I actually surprised iPhone 3GS phones are getting a variant of iOS6.
Maybe it's to convince people not to jailbreak their devices?
Last edited by: rtj70 on Wed 19 Sep 12 at 16:49
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Given that IOS 5 more or less made 3GS hardware infuriatingly slow, IOS6 wont improve the experience.
As I am a 4 user, I am on the fence about jumping to 6 or not. Or maybe doing a, now much cheaper, upgrade to an Iphone 4S.
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I'm currently using a 3GS. There are sitting in the office a few 4S units brand new and unopened But I just can't be bothered to change. I'd have to transfer the sim for one thing. Life's too short.
Maybe tomorrow. Or not.
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Well the sim from 3GS to 4 wont fit, and the sim from 4 to 5 wont fit!
ANd i want to see how this new connector works out, a lot of car owners will loose ipod control through car audio with the new phone
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A full sized SIM can be trimmed to fit an iPhone 4/4S... not so for an iPhone 5.
If a car kit uses the USB interface to an iPhone then it should work with the adapter. If it makes use of the serial interface on the 30-pin connector to control it I'm not so sure. And if it relies on the audio line out it definitely won't work. It all depends on how clever the car kit is.
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Updated my iphone last night.
If you use maps on a regular basis then this update isn't for you.
- map view is ok.
- directions look better but haven't tried them in real life.
- traffic shown as red dashes - no solid red, amber and green as per Google maps
- here's the killer - the satellite view is completely rubbish. Ok if you are in the centre of London, where you can get 3D (nice for those who can). But step anywhere south of Croydon and the best resolution is practically that which would show the whole south in one screen.
Resolution doesn't even improve over larger cities like Brighton.
- no street view - of course.
Apple must really hate Google to have replaced Google Maps with this!
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>> Apple must really hate Google to have replaced Google Maps with this!
Fear not, Google have a map app for the iphone in the works.
Interesting article hear
www.businessinsider.com/get-google-maps-back-on-iphone-2012-9?op=1
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Yes, Google need to get their app out soon!
Mind you the temporary fix that uses Safari is slow and doesn't give you street view.
I also notice that if I try to use Google maps within MotionX (GPS) it gives the same display as the new Apple maps. Bing maps within Motion X are ok though.
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also notice that if I try to use Google maps within MotionX (GPS) it gives the same display as the new Apple maps. Bing maps within Motion X are ok though.
I use motion x terrain maps mostly with motion x does the job for me. I guess they used the API to link google maps, and of course thats now changed under IO6.
IOS6 maps are really not popular....
www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19659736
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Mind you a quick delve into maps in the states appears that they are good enough there, even in less densely populated areas.
I guess Apple decided to roll terminated Google maps as fast as practicable knowing it would hack off non-us users.
I am sure they are in the process of upgrading the sub-standard areas.
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Oxford's dreaming spires and landmarks disappear under new Apple iOS 6 maps app
tinyurl.com/d6ebls8 - thisisoxfordshire
Magdalen College being in the River Cherwell, and Oxford Railway Station replaced by a Chinese restaurant.
No locations listed for the police station or the crown court.
Another gaff comes through the listing of Radcliffe Infirmary – despite it having been partially demolished since closing five years ago. And the Golden Harvest Canton Restaurant was placed in the location where the train station should be.
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Apple's Chief Exec apologises for maps
www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19760978
and, surprisingly, recommends users to get a different product - unusual because that imp0lies there is not going to be a quick fix.
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>>that implies there is not going to be a quick fix.
It was never going to be, but they had to bite the bullet sometime. And now, barring a truly cataclysmic happening, this will ensure that a year or so from now Apple is not reliant upon Google Maps.
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>> Who's diving in with the update?
Not straight away going on the problems I had last time (servers couldn't cope with the demand, etc).
Will wait for the rush of hardened Apple devotees to get their updates first before I attempt it this time.
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And here. - wait for the worms to wriggle out.
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Solved the conundrum. Nicole has a new Iphone 4S, I just told her she had to upgrade. She can be my guinea pig.
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35 minutes update time, inc download. Seems to work OK, you'll need your Itunes id and password handy.
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But the download was only 4 minutes. So a circa 30 minute update. I am sorting an old 3GS for step-son. Awaiting an unlock from O2 in the next 48 hours but wondered how Apple's bandwidth holding up. Just curious.
Stopped him getting it unlocked somewhere so he could still get updates. Phone is pretty worthless being a 3GS of course.
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Looking at some of the content of what iOS6 has to offer...
Not a great deal for Iphone 4 owners.
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>> Looking at some of the content of what iOS6 has to offer...
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>> Not a great deal for Iphone 4 owners.
it doesn't, no. waiting or someone with an iphone 4 to update, and tell us if its any slower afterwards, so hurry up and get on with it dave.
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>> But the download was only 4 minutes. So a circa 30 minute update.
nah it was 35 minutes in total download and update.
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The download is 626MB according to the update screen. I'll leave it until I'm somewhere with a faster connection.
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>> The download is 626MB according to the update screen. I'll leave it until I'm somewhere
>> with a faster connection.
seems to vary, it was 548 mb on Nicoles 4S
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Not that I'm going to do it immediately, if at all, but how do you get the update anyway? I thought it would pop up in the app store as an upgrade? Nothing has happened along those lines.
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Settings/general/software update.
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Aaargh.
Horrible thing is doing it. Gave me no choice.
Last edited by: Crankcase on Thu 20 Sep 12 at 08:16
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now that not strictly true is it., you had to press some button to agree.
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Absolutely not. Turned off phone last night. Turned it on this morning. Nothing, just used it as normal for satnav nto work. Just sat at desk, asked my question, you provided answer, went to settings, and says downloading, 14 minutes remaining. Touched not a button.
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S'funny. I had agree/disagree buttons, didn't want to proceed for now so pressed disagree.
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>> S'funny. I had agree/disagree buttons,
On my iPhone4 display I got this when I went to settings, General, Software update.
imageshack.us/a/img837/452/imagelot.jpg
Not sure what happens after pressing "Download and Install" - whether you then get another "are you sure?" prompt, because I never went any further.
In short though, nothing should happen until you tell the phone to update. Presume the same with the iPhone4S.
(On a separate note, for those that don't know how to do a screen grab of the display, press the home and standby/power off button at the same time)
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It's a weird combo of the above. Just got back from a meeting, and the phone has finished downloading. It now says "IOs6 is downloaded and ready to install", with an install button. Which I'm pleased about as I have the choice again.
So it did an unprompted download but a prompted install. There's a thing.
Interesting comment about the maps from the Dear Leader above - definitely going to wait and see. Although I notice if you just go to maps.google.co.uk on Safari it looks pretty much like the old app anyway so maybe it's not all bad.
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Ooopppsss
The upgrade wiped out all Nicoles contacts we had so carefully migrated from Blackberry, then edited.......
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Thank goodness it only happened to you Zero, because with your backup philosophy I guess a restore won't take that long.
A cautionary tale for others though.
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You lectured me about not doing back ups.......pot & kettle?
Pat
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All contacts on my mobiles (work and personal) are sync'd from somewhere. Convoluted route to the personal phone for work contacts/calendar (via the cloud somewhere... not Google or Apple).
Doesn't sound like the iOS6 upgrade is great. Mapping aside ;-) But everyone with an iPhone loves Apple so much that this must all be good.
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Except of course we are all pointing out its warts....
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I'd heard their mapping was bad... but hadn't realised it was so bad.
If they'd bought TomTom (pocket money) and used their maps properly with POI etc these would be okay. But they made a poor job of using the base map data.
And the aerial maps are a bit of a joke too. Google must be laughing. And whoever in Apple had been saying it would be okay and ready in time had better be quite senior if they want to keep a job.
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>> Ooopppsss
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>> The upgrade wiped out all Nicoles contacts
That's one of the reasons why I'm holding back on installing iOS6. That happened to me during the last big update, along with losing all my apps as well.
I eventually restored everything from iTunes, but when I tried the install a 2nd time, it happened again.
btw, I use the app "phonecopy" to also back up my contacts -
www.phonecopy.com/en/
itunes.apple.com/gb/app/phonecopy/id379895073?mt=8
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>> so hurry up and get on with it dave.
All done. One thing I've noticed straight away is keyboard lag. I'm not the worlds fastest typer, but sometimes the letters appear up to a second later than I've typed them.
>> nah it was 35 minutes in total download and update.
Is that all. Mine was nearly an hour.
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>> >> so hurry up and get on with it dave.
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>> All done. One thing I've noticed straight away is keyboard lag. I'm not the worlds
>> fastest typer, but sometimes the letters appear up to a second later than I've typed
>> them.
I feared that, I had a feeling it would start to overload the Iphone 4 hardware
>> >> nah it was 35 minutes in total download and update.
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>> Is that all. Mine was nearly an hour.
Whats your download speed there in Flyspot Oxfordshire.
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>> I feared that, I had a feeling it would start to overload the Iphone 4 hardware
Hopefully it's just a bug where a small update to the iOs will fix if it's also happening to others?
>> Whats your download speed there in Flyspot Oxfordshire.
Currently 3.3 Mbps
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That's not bad for 3G. I get a naff signal for 3G at home. But then I used wifi instead. But 3.3Mbps is a good mobile download speed I'd say.
I would assume a fix will be released for the keyboard timing issue.
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>> That's not bad for 3G.
I don't have a 3G signal at home. I was quoting my wifi speed.
btw, I hate the new layout of the App store.
And just like everyone else I've spoken to about the update, the Passbook app does diddly squat. Click on the App Store button at the bottom and after a few seconds it says "cannot connect to iTunes Store" - lol
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>> All done. One thing I've noticed straight away is keyboard lag.
Browsing the App Store is very juttery when trying to scroll down the page. If you slowly swipe with your finger to view Apps, then it happens. However if you speed swipe the screen the Apps wizz up the screen.
Maybe I should have waited after all.
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And has it messed up your email settings? I've got mine working quite happily with gmail via exchange, syncing 5 days emails, and my contacts. I have nothing to say to facebook - is that a red herring?
Mine is in an enterprise environment, my enterprise, and I don't want it cocked up :-)
Incidentally it did remind me about the update this morning when It woke up.
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>> Mine is in an enterprise environment, my enterprise, and I don't want it cocked up
>> :-)
Don't be stupid!
iphone on an enterprise environment?
Next people will want to to watch HQ films on them.......
;-)
Last edited by: swiss tony on Sun 23 Sep 12 at 10:02
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go back to your nokia 5110, its about all you can cope with.
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>> go back to your nokia 5110, its about all you can cope with.
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Never fear, I have both. 6310i actually. It's the back up. The one that will still have some battery when the iPhone gives up.
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>> >> go back to your nokia 5110, its about all you can cope with.
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>> Never fear, I have both. 6310i actually. It's the back up. The one that will
>> still have some battery when the iPhone gives up.
My arrow wasn't aimed at you. I still have my 6310i. Finest phone ever made.
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But you'll need an adapter to take the mini SIM from the iPhone 3/3GS/4/4GS to use in a 6310i.
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>> But you'll need an adapter to take the mini SIM from the iPhone 3/3GS/4/4GS to
>> use in a 6310i.
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As well as having issues (I believe) with the format of any contacts stored on the sim....
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>> >> But you'll need an adapter to take the mini SIM from the iPhone 3/3GS/4/4GS
>> to
>> >> use in a 6310i.
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>> As well as having issues (I believe) with the format of any contacts stored on
>> the sim....
FAr to many synching options around to worry about the ancient practise of sim swapping.
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>> FAr to many synching options around to worry about the ancient practise of sim swapping.
But if you want to keep your phone number on the other phone for incoming calls... SIM swap is the option if it's temporary.
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The 6310i has a PAYG sim in it. All I need if I'm caught out.
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>> go back to your nokia 5110, its about all you can cope with.
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lol...
BTW is your missus talking to you again yet, after the IOS6 upgrade fiasco?
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Not my fault. it was merely a "suggestion"
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>> Not my fault. it was merely a "suggestion"
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Of course.....
Still, the meals out will save on the washing up....
May I ''suggest' a back-up routine in future?
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>> >> Not my fault. it was merely a "suggestion"
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>> Of course.....
>> Still, the meals out will save on the washing up....
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>> May I ''suggest' a back-up routine in future?
It has Icloud set up. May I remind you it was HER phone!
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>> May I ''suggest' a back-up routine in future?
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>> It has Icloud set up. May I remind you it was HER phone!
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I realise that.
A decent IT specialist will never run new software on an important machine, before thorough testing.....
;-)
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>> A decent IT specialist will never run new software on an important machine, before thorough
>> testing.....
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Which is why I never bothered with IOS 5 on the iPad until the apps started to demand it - then it was too late as I had to go to IOS 6 yesterday (IOS 5 not being an option). Moreover it's why Mrs I_C's iPhone 4 will remain at IOS 4 until we buy a replacement and it becomes Miss I_C's device (having made the mistake of leaving it too late to go to IOS 5 now).
Ordinarily (say with Ubuntu) I leave it at least 3 months from release before I upgrade and I wouldn't use anything from Msft until SP1 is released, oh - actually I wouldn't use anything from Msft ;-)
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>> >> May I ''suggest' a back-up routine in future?
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>> >> It has Icloud set up. May I remind you it was HER phone!
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>> I realise that.
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>> A decent IT specialist will never run new software on an important machine, before thorough
>> testing.....
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>> ;-)
Why do you think I used her phone? Not going to test it on mine now am I.
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>> And has it messed up your email settings?
Nope. Everything settings wise, usernames wise, passwords wise was fine.
Just in the process of moving some apps around on the home page to where I want them, not where Apple thinks I want them.
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>>Who's diving in with the update?
Why would anybody want to be a guinea pig? Let them run it for a few weeks and iron out the bugs. A bit like buying an iPhone 5 before next Easter. Why bother to do their hard work?
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'Why would anybody want to be a guinea pig? Let them run it for a few weeks and iron out the bugs. A bit like buying an iPhone 5 before next Easter. Why bother to do their hard work?'
That could also apply to the up and coming release of windows 8 and that sets a new standard in crapware
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Is there any way to refuse the upgrade permanently?
SWMBO has just got a 4S, whcih has a permanent (1) flag on settings asking her to download IOS6 - whcih she doesn't want to. So can she refuse it, as opposed to just ignoring it?
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Not sure what you mean - I am getting no reminders. What is a permanent (1) flag on settings?
I'm having no difficulty not upgrading at the moment.
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The settings tile gets a little red 1 in its corner if you have an upgrade ready.
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Ah, thanks. Presumably a new set up triggers that.
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>> Is there any way to refuse the upgrade permanently?
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>> SWMBO has just got a 4S, whcih has a permanent (1) flag on settings asking
>> her to download IOS6 - whcih she doesn't want to.
There is no reason not to on a 4S. Unless she is an avid maps user on it.
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>> >> SWMBO has just got a 4S, whcih has a permanent (1) flag on settings asking her to download IOS6 - whcih she doesn't want to.
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There is no reason not to on a 4S. Unless she is an avid maps user on it.
Thats not what I have heard.
Our IT dept at work has advised against upgrading due to various issues with IOS6 - not least the way Facebook is now ingrained...
...it seems there is a huge security issue involving the way IOS6's integration with Facebook changes the phones contact list, and adds that to your Facebook friends.... as well as changing your default Email address to your Facebook Email.... Not at all good in an enterprise environment!
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And where does it say its being used in an enterprise environment? A place where Iphones are not in general use anyway?
As I said, unless you are using mapping heavily, there is no reason not to update if you have a 4S
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>> And where does it say its being used in an enterprise environment? A place where
>> Iphones are not in general use anyway?
I think you would be surprised... many of my customers have moved from Blackberrys to iphones.....
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Depends what you mean by corporate, I still have contacts in corporate life. I know there is a UWYB policy per-mutating but Iphones are not allowed with secure applications.
And still don't see any reference to a UWYB in the post.
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"I know there is a UWYB policy per-mutating but Iphones are not allowed with secure applications. "
Not too far away in the Bank I'm currently working in. Can get my corporate email securely on Android and iPhone/iPad without ability to copy out attachments etc.
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>> And where does it say its being used in an enterprise environment? A place where
>> Iphones are not in general use anyway?
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>> As I said, unless you are using mapping heavily, there is no reason not to
>> update if you have a 4S
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Just updated the iPad to IOS 6, maps (in Aus) seem OK but YouTube has gone, I'll look forward to Google releasing replacement apps though.
Commenting on enterprise use, BB seems to be dying out quicker in Asia Pacific, my employer used to insist on BB for managers with access to sensitive data but now allows (supplies even in Aus) Android and IOS with appropriate device management software and won't define new BB users... Things have changed rapidly in the last 2 years.
The companies I work with see BB as very much low priority for their web apps, maybe this will change but I suspect the decline will continue.
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>> Just updated the iPad to IOS 6, maps (in Aus) seem OK but YouTube has
>> gone, I'll look forward to Google releasing replacement apps though.
Youtube is now available from Google via an App in the store. Google Maps app to come.
Given Daves experience, I shall forgo 6 on my 4. Probably upgrade to a 4s in the spring, and sell the 4
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>> Given Daves experience, I shall forgo 6 on my 4. Probably upgrade to a 4s
>> in the spring, and sell the 4
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Mrs I_C's iPhone 4 is resolutely staying on IOS 4 as long as it can, will look to get a cheap 4S or a 5 when the hype dies down. Was disappointed that there is no longer an option to install IOS 5 but Apple will want people off Googly stuff and for their devices to encourage them to upgrade won't they? Ok, so there's the cost and complexity of support argument too but I'd have preferred to have the option of IOS 5 anyhow...
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>> >> Given Daves experience, I shall forgo 6 on my 4. Probably upgrade to a
>> 4s
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>> Mrs I_C's iPhone 4 is resolutely staying on IOS 4 as long as it can,
>> will look to get a cheap 4S or a 5 when the hype dies down.
>> Was disappointed that there is no longer an option to install IOS 5 but Apple
>> will want people off Googly stuff and for their devices to encourage them to upgrade
>> won't they? Ok, so there's the cost and complexity of support argument too but I'd
>> have preferred to have the option of IOS 5 anyhow...
Time for a Jailbreak on the 4 perhaps? I am pondering breaking mine now, ass long as I can save unbroken the IOS 5 image.
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>> Time for a Jailbreak on the 4 perhaps? I am pondering breaking mine now, ass
>> long as I can save unbroken the IOS 5 image.
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I dunno, Mrs I_C's iPhone 4 came from our time in Hong Kong so didn't need any jail-breaking to work in Australia, I know of some American colleagues whose iPhones have become bricks when moving from the US to other countries, jailbreaking certainly carries risks.
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Other than for the fun, what are the real benefits of breaking a device?
Can you do anything about its peformance, or battery life, or something?
I've considered it with the ones we have, but the risk of bricking it seems to outweigh potential advantages.
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Well you are liberated from the locks Apple put ont he device, you can for example dump that stupid Newstand icon, you can run lots more apps from places other than the app store, you can use your device to tether and act as a wifi spot even if your provider tries to disable the function, you can change the look...
Loads of stuff in fact.
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Can you do anything for the performance?
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There are non app store applications you can run to cut the crap that the cpu has to deal with.
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Re battery life - try one of these
tinyurl.com/bsw86yf
Gives 8 to 10 hours of phone use and when it is flat the phone's internal battery takes over.
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>> Given Daves experience, I shall forgo 6 on my 4.
It's been ok today. Maybe it just needed rebooting, which I do every night (i.e. switch it off, then back on in the morning)
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>> It's been ok today.
It's still ok. Running just like it did on iOS5
Come on Zero, get on with the update of yours.
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It's still ok. Running just like it did on iOS5
Come on Zero, get on with the update of yours.
Nah, its ok on 5 thanks.
Don't forget - Zero is too busy trying to placate his missus to update his phone......
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Not at all, no placation required, easy when you are gifted with charm and good looks.
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>> Not at all, no placation required, easy when you are gifted with charm and good looks.
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Thats true.
but....
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Yes yes I know I have awakened your feelings of inadequacy, but please do try and soldier on through the rest of the week.
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>> Is there any way to refuse the upgrade permanently?
When I hooked up my iPhone to iTunes to do a backup prior to installing iOS6 it said that an iOS update was available. One of the menu options was something like "do not remind me again"
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Well I have just updated my iphone 4 and everything seems to be working ok - so far anyway !
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Shane there's not likely to be a Google maps app for iOS6
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I thought google was working on one?
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What would Google get from such an app? Apple used to pay for it. As do android Phone manufacturers. Hence no adverts. Android is fee but the apps like making are not.
Adobe is saving money going their own way remember. And are dying Google. I don't see how Google would make money from mapping on an iPhone or iPad. This might drive don't away from the iPhone. Not everyone uses making.
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>> What would Google get from such an app?
They didnt put maps on the iphone for the benefit of the user, its all about advertising.
>> do android Phone manufacturers. Hence no adverts. Android is fee but the apps like making
>> are not.
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>> Adobe is saving money going their own way remember. And are dying Google. I don't
>> see how Google would make money from mapping on an iPhone or iPad. This might
>> drive don't away from the iPhone. Not everyone uses making.
Typed ont the android? Glad I chose the Iphone.
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Typing mistakes were my fault. Nothing wrong with the phone.
Apple used to pay for google maps, YouTube etc. Not advert driven IMO.
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I'd only looked at the 3gs for someone recently. That was on something like 5.1.16. That couldn't be hacked and had to be upgraded and then downgraded. If you had a later 3gs this hack would break it. They changed the base band chip.
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>> Shane there's not likely to be a Google maps app for iOS6
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I thought your reply was to Skip, not Shane. ;-)
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>> I thought your reply was to Skip, not Shane. ;-)
Shane is a cracking movie though.
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So if I have apps that use Google maps as the main part of their programme then I'm guessing they will stop working, I haven't been on the new app store yet so do they show both OS 5 and 6 apps separately?
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>> So if I have apps that use Google maps as the main part of their
>> programme then I'm guessing they will stop working,
They will call up the apple maps, where they might nit find the inofrmation or quality you expect.
I haven't been on the new app
>> store yet so do they show both OS 5 and 6 apps separately?
No, the map base is part of the OS not an app from the store. You upgrade to IO6 you loose google maps and they aint never coming back unless google releases an app. Seems they are in no rush.
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>> So if I have apps that use Google maps as the main part of their
>> programme then I'm guessing they will stop working
I've just tried with the Good Beer Guide which shows a map location in the app. There's a button for "google maps" which then opens in Safari. The url is maps.google.com. It then offers to add an icon to the home screen which never happened before "An icon will be added to your home screen so you can quickly access this website". If created it just fires up google maps at that location in Safari. I've never seen the shortcut (bookmark in Applespeak) creation feature before so not sure if that's driven by the google maps site or ios6.
I upgraded this afternoon. Downloaded without installing, first. 900MB, Took about 20 minutes to do the upgrade via iTunes.
Mostly looks the same. Settings seems differently organised here and there. Main thing I will miss from Maps is streetview.
Safari has never seemed that good on the iPhone. I took to using the Chrome app quite early on. I assume there is no way to make it the default for opening links from other apps though, so they still open with Safari which is always slower to load the pages than Chrome.
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For Android users (and disillusioned iPhone users), I downloaded a free navigation app today called M8 which is a FREE satnav product, and looks very nice, and works well too.
play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.telmap.navigator.ukd2c&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS50ZWxtYXAubmF2aWdhdG9yLnVrZDJjIl0.
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Even if Google bring out an app on ios, any other app needing access to mapping via the Apple APIs will get Apple maps. I'd hold off upgrading
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I haven't put IOS6 onto my phone or ipod. Re mapping I use ViewRanger, very detailed maps and for outdoors/hill walking stuff it has a buddy beacon feature to enable one to locate a friend
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>> Even if Google bring out an app on ios, any other app needing access to
>> mapping via the Apple APIs will get Apple maps. I'd hold off upgrading
I've done it anyway; but it will still be possible to check streetview / google maps via the browser, and some apps, at least, still appear to launch google maps via a loation url in a browser (e.g. the GBG).
I'm not unduly concerned about Apple maps (though the only two businesses shown in my village are a pub that closed 3 years ago, and a butchers that closed 10 years ago! The butcher's is shown with a knife and fork symbol, presumably indicating a restaurant, and the one pub that is still operating is not shown).
I think they have a bit of work to do.
I use "Outside" for OS maps, I'll be checking out Meldrew's Viewranger and M8.
Last edited by: Manatee on Sun 30 Sep 12 at 14:58
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>> I've done it anyway; but it will still be possible to check streetview / google
>> maps via the browser
No street view in the browser.
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>> I use "Outside" for OS maps, I'll be checking out Meldrew's Viewranger and M8.
Also check Uk Map which is £8 to buy but then allows full and unlimited downloads of the whole uk in 25000 and 10000 OS maps for offine use. Also renders in 3d if you wish. We used it to navigate Hadrians Wall in the summer very successfully.
Last edited by: Crankcase on Sun 30 Sep 12 at 18:16
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I had a play with it today - its a bit Rory the racing car graphics wise but it got me where I wanted to go and the lady directing me sounded much nicer than the Google automoton !
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I have loaded it, it does feel a bit mickey mouse. I suggested it look for shopping sites, and it ignored all the shopping towns around me and directed me to Terminal 3 duty free!
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Some of you may remember my missus gingerly moved over to a smartphone from her old Nokia by getting a refurbished ipgone 3GS from O2. Seemed like a good starting point for her and she is quite liking it.
However it has now developed a fault, she can hear callers but they can't hear her. It looks like there is an issue with the mic, have checked and its not the mute button and blowing on the mic doesn't give any noise to the caller.
So it will need to go back to O2 or Apple but it has this update sitting waiting and would I be correct in assuming that whether this goes for a fix, or she gets a replacement one, either way they will automatcically update it to IOS6?
From what I have read on the web, the iphone 3 doesn't really benefit from this and it slows it down by quite a lot as well as speeding up battery usage.
I am assuming that there is nothing that can be done to avoid this upgrade?
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You can back up the IOS now, using one of the many jailbreak tools, and if it comes back with 6 you can jailbreak it back down to 5.
or follow this guide
www.stuff.tv/news/apple-news/how-to/how-to-get-google-maps-back-onto-your-iphone
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>> So it will need to go back to O2 or Apple
The latter, IMHO.
A mate at work took his 3G back to the CarPhone Warehouse. They took an absolute age to repair it (broken screen). He found out afterwards if he'd have gone directly to an Apple store they would have just exchanged it for another 3G and then repaired his for the next person to come along with a broken phone. Obviously some money needed changing hands.
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Well just to update this thread, I had to upgrade to ios 6 before they would look at it, this of course made no difference to the microphone not working.
Booked an appt with Apple store, took in, can't repair the phone and don't have any 3GS in stock so have swapped it for an iphone 4.
Hopefully the missus will be happy with that but something in the back of my mind says there were issues with 4 and thats why the 4s cam out so quickly? Was it the one with poor reception? Google time.......
As an aside, why did I feel so nervous and guilty standing in the middle of the Apple store using my Sony Ericsson Android phone!!! The blatantly obvious, and subliminal brainwashing that goes on in there is scary!!
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The 4 was the one with the aerial/reception problem. Not fatal though if you use a case or bumper, IIRC.
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>> The 4 was the one with the aerial/reception problem. Not fatal though if you use
>> a case or bumper, IIRC.
Correct. I have a 4 with bumper and its fine. The bumper also protects against cracked screen if dropped. Getting a 4 in place of the 3gs is a bonus!
Last edited by: Zero on Thu 4 Oct 12 at 17:51
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Were 4's eventually rectified with this aerial problem - she will put one of the ebay bog standard silicon case thingies on it - will that be enough or was it a special bumper??
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Any of the bumpers will do, anything to keep your finger off the metal rim round the outside. They were only fixed on the iphone 4S.
I have the speck pixelskin hd
www.speckproducts.com/iphone-case/iphone-4-case/pixelskin-hd-for-iphone-4s.html
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iOS 6.0.1 has been released which is supposed to resolve a few bugs.
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6.1.0 is just round the corner, its been released for beta testing.
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Just in case anyone has missed it, Google Maps is back on the iPhone
www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20694028
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But other apps using mapping will still use Apple's maps. The mapping API's will use Apple's implementation.
At least Google has done what they said they would not do. The vector based mapping is a lot better than the old tile based maps originally used. Uses less data for starters. And on Android lets you cache map segments - that will probably come to IOS6 too.
If Apple hadn't messed up mapping, I bet they would have stopped Google maps getting into the app store. But now they'd be avoiding a backlash from iPhone/iPad users.
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It's quite funky. Certainly shows traffic on a route, but don't know whether/how it implements traffic avoidance. I'll find out at commuting time no doubt.
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I'm still using OS5 but this Google maps app looks really good, maybe there will be a string of minor updates being issued by apps so they can link up to the new Google maps app once you've installed it.
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Google are releasing an SDK for other apps to use. So they will need to be rewritten.
Google maps also works on iOS5.
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And there is now a You Tube app, so it seems we are geting back to the status quo before apple released IOS 6
I will probably wait for 6.1 before I upgrade.
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I'm quite excited - going to be given an iPhone 5 for work. I haven't had a smart phone (or Apple device) before - just warning you... :)
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Prepare to be amazzzzzed ! :0
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...and confused in equal measure I suspect...
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Oh gawd, another Iphone virgin, we have only just deflowered the last one.
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Well I've got it, and so far, so good. Not quite as overawed with it initially as I thought I would be (the screen was a bit smaller than I was expecting), but as I'm starting to find my way around it it's definitely growing on me...
Thought I had a major issue this morning. Turned on the laptop to start work (at home) and it wouldn't connect to the wifi. iPhone was fine, then I vaguely remembered an email from O2 Broadband saying something about iPhone compatibility. So I rang up their 0800 helpline and spent 10 or so minutes with a very helpful lady ruling out various possibilities.
Eventually she asked me about the latptop itself, and mentioned that some have a wifi on/off button. At that point I apologised profusely and thanked her for her help :)
(I turn off the wifi in the office and turn it back on when I get home in the evening, but last night I'd gone out and not got the laptop out of my bag.)
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you need to go to Tech class for duffers with mapmaker.
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>> you need to go to Tech class for duffers with mapmaker.
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Customer Support: "Ridge Hall computer assistance; may I help you?"
Caller: "Yes, well, I'm having trouble with Word."
CS: "What sort of trouble?"
C: "Well, I was just typing along, and all of a sudden the words went away."
CS: "Went away?"
C: "They disappeared."
CS: "Hmm. So what does your screen look like now?"
C: "Nothing."
CS: "Nothing?"
C: "It's blank; it won't accept anything when I type."
CS: "Are you still in Word, or did you get out?"
C: "How do I tell?"
CS: "Can you see the C: prompt on the screen?"
C: "What's a sea-prompt?"
CS: "Never mind. Can you move the cursor around on the screen?"
C: "There isn't any cursor, I told you, it won't accept anything I type."
CS: "Does your monitor have a power indicator?"
C: "What's a monitor?"
CS: "It's the thing with the screen on it that looks like a TV. Does it have a little light that tells you when it's on?"
C: "I don't know."
CS: "Well, then look on the back of the monitor and find where the power cord goes into it. Can you see that?"
C: "Yes, I think so."
CS: "Great. Follow the cord to the plug, and tell me if it's plugged into the wall."
C: ".......Yes, it is."
CS: "When you were behind the monitor, did you notice that there were two cables plugged into the back of it, not just one?"
C: "No."
CS: "Well, there are. I need you to look back there again and find the other cable."
C: ".......Okay, here it is."
CS: "Follow it for me, and tell me if it's plugged securely into the back of your computer."
"I can't reach."
CS: "Uh huh. Well, can you see if it is?"
C: "No."
CS: "Even if you maybe put your knee on something and lean way over?"
C: "Oh, it's not because I don't have the right angle - it's because it's dark."
CS: "Dark?"
C: "Yes - the office light is off, and the only light I have is coming in from the window."
CS: "Well, turn on the office light then."
C: "I can't."
CS: "No? Why not?"
C: "Because there's a power cut."
CS: "A power... A power cut? Ah, Okay, we've got it licked now. Do you still have the boxes and manuals and packing stuff your computer came in?"
C: "Well, yes, I keep them in the stationery cupboard."
CS: "Good. Go get them, and unplug your system and pack it up just like it was when you got it. Then take it back to the store you bought it from."
C: "Really? Is it that bad?"
CS: "Yes, I'm afraid it is."
C: "Well, all right then, I suppose. What do I tell them?"
CS: "Tell them you're too stupid to own a computer."
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>>you need to go to Tech class for duffers with mapmaker
don't forget me!!!
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Oi!
I have now IOS6-ed. Apart from a much improved Google maps, with cache, the only difference I've noticed is that the sliders don't work very well (if e.g. turning WiFi on or off I often have to wait 20 seconds before it deigns to oblige).
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>> the only difference I've noticed is that the sliders don't work very well
Haven't noticed any difference with mine.
However the keyboard shortcuts I've set up don't always work, or don't respond at all if I type too fast. Known problem apparantly.
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>> Haven't noticed any difference with mine.... However the keyboard shortcuts I've set up don't always work
You've noticed that! So you have noticed a difference :-)
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I was referring to the sliders, not other problems.
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I was referring to you saying:
>> However the keyboard shortcuts I've set up don't always work
You're now an Apple fan I see.... so much for your old Nokia N70. :-)
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>> You're now an Apple fan I see
I've had my i4 for just coming up to 2 years, but I wouldn't say I was a fan. It does everything I want it to do, that's all I care about. Not one to spend 5 days queuing on the street when the latest model has been released. Plus the tarriff I'm on only costs me £12.50 a month for 500 mins, loads of txts, 1GB of data, and unlimited BT Openzone Wi-Fi access on a SIM only 1 month contact.
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I changed as I was going abroad and it was suggested that Apple's 'switch off roaming' button didn't necessarily, hence stories of large roaming bills despite taking all data through wifi. Apple's recommendation (without accepting any liability) was to upgrade to ios6.
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Funny that, never had any problem with turning off roaming on IOS5. or IOS4, or IOS3.
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IOS6 - will you won't you? - rtj70
