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Last edited by: VxFan on Tue 25 Sep 12 at 00:48
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www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01l1xwm/World_War_II_Unearthed/
Military archaeology in Ireland - including the recovery of a Spitfire from a peat bog and some amazing sea bed footage....available until 22.7.12
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Free Sky Sports? for the weekend
I tried it on Friday - did not work, showed as encrypted . Tried it with both Humax and Sky boxes.
According to the small print in the advert it will only be free to people with a Sky Subscription (and hence presumably a Card for lesser service). Anybody else know better?
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It's working here, on Virgin, with no Sky subscription, but I can imagine that it wouldn't on Freeview.
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Working here - pay the least possible to that odious Murdoch creature - now I have his HD Sports service free. Not that I'll probably use it.
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You could always watch that game where 22 hairy assed geezers run up and down in their shorts trying to kick a ball into a net to score a goal.
:}
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SWMBO like this early morning program, (she's in to family stuff) so it chunters on in the background as we ablute.
I can't help feeling a bit uncomfortable at the BBC making a program which basically sanctifies rather grubby "ambulance chasing" operators who rush around the country persuading possible heirs to sign up before the competition grabs them.
What do other people think?
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I like the research bits and what they throw up, Roger. I believe the commission rates are somewhat swingeing, though.
Ted
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I like the bit they rarely show, the bit where they say, "Thank you for bringing this to my attention, clearly you have had a long journey, have a jammy dodger and a cup of tea, and then sod off because I will be claiming it myself and not paying your fee"
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>> I like the bit they rarely show,
What can they do to prevent that? Just hope you can't be bothered to do it yourself?
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They showed the 'Fisher family' electing to do their own thing this morning!
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They fail, go back to the 'hunter', and he charges them double :)
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Showing series two now, series three next?
I knew the guy who turned out to be Charlie Cullum through work. Nobody really believed the German Baron bit; the crosser he got the more 'Bow Bells' his accent became.
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As a pleasant change from Olympic mania try the BBC Proms!
Tonight there was a magical performance of Beethoven's Ninth (The Choral) Symphony.
Sublime music and singing.
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And a cracking anthem to boot - Thanks Roger I'll catch up with it on iPlayer.
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Yes - you have to wait a while for the "Ode to Joy", the anthem with the wonderful melody which many people know as the E.U. "hymn" in the final movement.
OTH, probably more of a "certain generation" will recognise it as the tune in The Seekers, "Emerald City".
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>> Yes - you have to wait a while for the "Ode to Joy"
Can't stand that tune, not sure why.
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It's a smidgen spoilt for me by the E.U. hijacking it!
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On the other hand just happened to switch to BBC2 'Barenboim on Beethoven: Nine Symphonies that changed the world' and they were playing a tune I really like - minor key, very mournful. Anyone know which that is?
BTW saw Barenboim conducting a prom the other night - well I say conducting, more like stirring. Very odd, it would put me right off. Possibly just putting on a show (which is fair enough, tickets probably weren't cheap).
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My personal favourite is the 6th - love it. Although the 9th is a very jolly tune.
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Very interesting to me who has been eating sensible amounts and doing a bit of exercise since April to get my weight down to a sensible level.
Michael Mosley now "fasts" 2 days a week by eating just one <=600 calorie meal on those days, and the results in terms of blood glucose and cholesterol seem almost miraculous.
Still subject of research apparently but worth a watch.
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Yep! - watched it, although I've known about the effect of a reduced calorific intake for years.
Since giving up eating dead pigs, cows, sheep and chickens I feel quite well and I have just as much energy as before, or even more now.
I often wake up in the early hours with a strong erection, whether that's a result of the new healthy eating regime or the late night 'research' I've been doing on youporn, I can't honestly say.
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>> I often wake up in the early hours with a strong erection, whether that's a
>> result of the new healthy eating regime or the late night 'research' I've been doing
>> on youporn, I can't honestly say.
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You're a total disgrace, man....you really should take yourself in hand !
Ted
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Funnily enough Michael Mosley seemed more interested in the elimination of risk factors for cardiovascular disease and cancer. But Dog's experience will probably make a more effective public information campaign ;-)
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More like a an effective public too much information campaign.
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Actually, on giving the matter 2nd thoughts, its probably down/up to the fact I take an overdose of vitamin D3 every day (10,000 IU)
The youporn bit was a joke BTW.
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>> The youporn bit was a joke BTW.
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Yeah. Yeah. They all say that!
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A strong erection all off 4 inches Dog..;)
I've watched the program.What surprised me the bloke who did the program is married to a doctor.His cholestrol was high she should keep a eye on him.
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"knick knack paddywack...."
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I've always eaten fast. It sometimes gives me indigestion but I can't stop the habit of a lifetime and I can't see how it will make me live longer!
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If possible try to eat slower Les.Brother always eat to fast.Indigestion can lead to other problems.
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>> If possible try to eat slower Les.Brother always eat to fast.Indigestion can lead to other
>> problems.
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It was just a joke. Barely just apparently!
Eats shoots and leaves!
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By eating fast, you get chance to escape the gardener! thats how you`ll live longer. ;-)
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Baroness Campbell (Jane) said on desert island discs that "If I could be born tomorrow without my condition, I'd say no thanks!, I am me because of my condition, not despite it".
Jane suffers from spinal muscular atrophy and was virtually written orf not long after birth, one A-mazing person!
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01lh96q/Desert_Island_Discs_Baroness_Campbell/
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'Lemon La Vida Loca' ITV2 tonight 10pm, 'comedy reality series'. Caught the last half of the first one last week, very funny if you like his humour (and I know many don't).
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Yep, out in a couple of weeks (24th).
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>> very funny if you like his humour
Oosh. Remote record sent to my Sky box.
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Last night's episode was quite poignant I thought. And I think she plays her part really well - don't know how much is scripted and how much is just reacting to Keith, but it's excellent.
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As you all know, I never comment negatively, but the 2 Carr chaps, Forsythe or Lemon - Nah!
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If any of you who love the musical theatre did not view the BBC Proms tonight (01/09/2012) get yourselves to BBC iPlayer and see it.
Tonight's theme was the music of Broadway and to say it was absolutely, utterly, brilliant is a definite understatement.
Amazing songs, amazingly orchestrated and with superb singers.
It was heart-stoppingly WONDERFUL!
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>>Tonight's theme was the music of Broadway
Missed it, damn!
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>> If any of you who love the musical theatre did not view the BBC Proms
>> tonight (01/09/2012) get yourselves to BBC iPlayer and see it.
>> Tonight's theme was the music of Broadway and to say it was absolutely, utterly, brilliant
>> is a definite understatement.
>> Amazing songs, amazingly orchestrated and with superb singers.
>> It was heart-stoppingly WONDERFUL!
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I watched a bit of it, not my cup of tea but was good.
So here's my long-standing question. You have a set of very accomplished musicians, who have rehearsed and rehearsed, and know their piece very well - probably without even reading the score (though a lot of them seemed to).
What is the point of the conductor? Many seemed to be not looking at him anyway.
I have to say, his action with the wand was very smooth and quite captivating. Just not sure what would happen if he wasn't there...
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>> What is the point of the conductor?
Keep everyone together. Most of the time the tempo will be steady, but there are always lots of places where it speeds up or slows down, and you need someone there to decide exactly how much.
At my amateur band's rehearsals sometimes the conductor will stop conducting and see how we get on - it's a way of forcing us to listen to each other. It's ok for a few bars, but it would be hard work for a whole piece, even for professionals. It would probably sound tentative at best around the tempo changes.
>> Many seemed to be not looking at him
Might be using peripheral vision.
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When watching "Last night at the Proms" once, our 5yr old Granddaughter asked "Why`s that man trying to cast spells on them?" - too much Harry Potter!!
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Tonight 8pm. ITV1.
Revealing documentary looking back at the iconic 70's cop series.
'Get yer trousers on...you're nicked!'
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"We're the Sweeney, son, and we 'aven't had any dinner."
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"We're the Sweeny and we've not had our dinner" brilliant series in every respect.
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>> Tonight 8pm. ITV1.
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>> Revealing documentary looking back at the iconic 70's cop series.
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>> 'Get yer trousers on...you're nicked!'
i always thought it was ' put your knickers on love and make me a cup of tea' unless i was was watching a spoof ?
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Det. Insp. Jack Regan: Where had you been?
Abdul: Gambling.
Det. Insp. Jack Regan: Oooh. Who's a naughty Abdul. You wait till Allah hears about this.
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>> >> Revealing documentary looking back at the iconic 70's cop series.
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>> i always thought it was ' put your knickers on love and make me
>> a cup of tea' unless i was was watching a spoof ?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZT5Fq7KuPk&feature=watch_response_rev
Its from the pilot episode, Regan, which was apart of the Armchair Theatre series.
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>>Revealing documentary looking back at the iconic 70's cop series.
I just watched it. I enjoyed but, but was a bit disappointed. Not really "revealing".
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>> Not really "revealing".
I was just quoting from the article I stumbled upon.
I suspect more than anything it was just a plug for the new movie coming out.
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Bad flairs, some decent kipper ties, lots of violence which actually hurts somebody (Carter: "Oooow! Me 'ooter! Why is it always me 'ooter?') and some serious promiscuity and drunkeness: 'Fancy a drink, George?' and out comes the J Walker red and some paper cups.
I rather enjoy it.
Especially the Granadas.
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An almost unbelievable story of simple heroics. Part of our future history.
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01mgyh9/Our_War_Series_2_The_Lost_Platoon/
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Humberside's finest in the Lock Up 10.35pm BBC 1.
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Brilliant ! Stonking !
Forgotten how much we'd missed it ! Soooo bad it's great !
Addicted already...
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Channel 5 any minute now...
C'mon !
S'wellin
J.R.
Bobby
Poison Dwarf
etc etc
Brill !
Well actually it'll be terrible but that's sort of the appeal.
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1:35am - 2:45am Film4. in B/W. just 57 mins. long. directed by Tony Scott (1971)
Worth watching for the breath-taking scenery alone.
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When? - tonight @ 9.00pm
What? - District 9
Seemingly helpless extraterrestrials arrive on Earth and are treated like any other vulnerable minority,
as if they're subhuman.
Where? - Film4
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>> What? - District 9
>> Seemingly helpless extraterrestrials arrive on Earth and are treated like any other vulnerable minority,
Great film. Wikus for the win!
"don't wave your fokken tentacles at me!"
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Yes, I noticed it was made 'down your way', I'll record it and watch it mañana.
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>> Yes, I noticed it was made 'down your way'
Lots of very "in" jokes which the saffers enjoy. Like the 'University of Kempton Park'.
Kempton is a run-down, lower-class place - very tyre-fitter and poundland-type.
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Ah! - just like St Awful (St Austell) in Cornwall then.
:}
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Twas weird! = The Fly meets Transformers!
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Fly vs Transformers is a good comparison I think. Not a bad film.
Anyone who's played Half Life on the computer might recognise the alien speech. Not understand it but recognise.
EDIT: Aren't the aliens in the movie from Half Life!
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Not a bad film indeed! ... A film I'd like to watch again in fact, so I'll keep it on DVD.
At first I got to thinking it was a comedy film, what with the prawns and the cat food, but then it really kicked into gear to become one-of those films I'll always remember.
I still can't quite work out how an alien came to have the name Christopher Johnson though:(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:District_nine_ver2.jpg)
Put me orf prawns for life it has!
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Just started again on Film4 (freeview 15) now - only caught the first half hour first time round...
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Had a dream the other night where my big toe nail just fell off - now I know why :)
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Asylum later @ 12.55am on Film 4.
"A psychiatrist takes up a post in a mental institution, where his bored and unfulfilled wife befriends a male patient. However, when the disturbed man - an artist who murdered his unfaithful partner - is given a work assignment close to the family's home, their friendship rapidly turns into a passionate affair. Drama set in the 1950s, with Natasha Richardson, Hugh Bonneville, Ian McKellen and Marton Csokas".
I'm taping it, well you know, divid.
Contains violence, swearing and sex scenes.
:-}
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'Scum' was on a couple of nights ago - another one I only saw the start of. But repeated tomorrow, 23:15 ITV4. Stars a young Ray Winstone for those who haven't had the pleasure of seeing it.
Last edited by: Focus on Wed 12 Sep 12 at 22:09
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Yes, I watched 'Scum' some time ago.
District 9 is quite a good film actually, bit slow to start, but plenty of action right to the end.
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Yeah, just finished - very good.
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I watched it the other night and it was (a) a bit different to what I expected and (b) better. Still reminds me of Half Life.
I wonder if there'll be a sequel. I'm not sure how well received this was commercially but it was good.
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>>I wonder if there'll be a sequel<<
I thought the same, perhaps the prawns would take up positions in society and we could even have a prawn as prime minister one day.
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I have just watched the Tour of Britain cycle race on ITV4.
Very disappointing coverage. Very amateurish.
When the programme started, although the race was already under way, instead of showing the racing we watched Jill Douglas chatting to some bloke.
Near the end of the stage, Cavendish and several other riders crashed. The cameras lingered on the crash and its aftermath, instead of showing the build up to the finish.
While waiting for the presentations, the commentators seemed to have nothing to say and there were quite lengthy periods of silence.
We didn't see Bradley Wiggins finish and have no idea where he finished in the race.
I have sent an email of complaint to ITV4. Much good it will do me! The French and Spanish do this so much better.
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Have to say I agree.
During the Olympic Road Race they blamed the Olympic Broadcasting Service for not matching the quality of the Tour de France coverage. Here they have only themselves to blame.
I hope they get it all sorted out for the highlights show at 8pm tonight.
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>> I have sent an email of complaint to ITV4. Much good it will do me!
>> The French and Spanish do this so much better.
Its not mainstream TV in the UK, and no-one in Europe gives a toss about the Tour of Britain as its a bit of a mickey mouse event. Why do you think its on ITV4? - little money or planning has gone into it.
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The One Show have an occasional feature where they talk to a musician to get the story behind the riff associated with a hit pop record eg. the harmonica player on 'Karma Chameleon'. On Friday it was Pino Palladino, who provided the distinctive fretless bass sound on Paul Young's 'Wherever I lay my hat'.
Obviously quite lightweight but I find that sort of thing fascinating, and thought others (Dog?) might too; Pino makes a lovely sound:
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01mhlkq/The_One_Show_07_09_2012/
(skip to 22:20)
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It's a memorable and quite nice 'riff' but, the song would still have been a hit without it, I'll wager.
That cream Stratocaster in the background looks like mine, except my one has a Rosewood fretboard.
I play with it every day (and the guitar!)
:}
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Looks to be up my street as well! - if only it had Sigourney Weaver or Nana Visitor in! ;-)
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Thanks Dog- I'll be setting the recorder.
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Another interest of mine is spiritual-ism and I've been recording & watching every single one of Sally Morgan's & Colin Fry's programs on PickTV this week, that's two hours every night!
I've followed them and other mediums for over four decades now and personally knew a medium when we lived in Sussex (I used to tune his car) :)
What I can say, without any shadow of a doubt, is that they are not con merchants but,
Where they actually get their 'messages' from I don't know, and (surprise, surprise) neither do they.
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>>What I can say, without any shadow of a doubt, is that they are not con merchants
Do you mean they are sincere, or that the messages are genuine?
I could believe the first one.
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Judge for yourself Manatee:
www.radiotimes.com/episode/f6c7r/psychic-sally-on-the-road--series-2---6-st-albans--llandudno
Sally Morgan is my favourite, she makes me die :)
The things she tells people, of their lives and of the lives of people that have 'passed over' are quite incredible really, but then I'm a believer anyway, since an experience I had at 9 years old when my father died.
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I'm not a believer. There is/are no God/gods, there is no afterlife.
It is not logical.
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Gods/ Ghosts / afterlife / spirits/ goodness knows what may exist. Or indeed may not.
However, I doubt they'd have anything to do with the nutters that wander around advertising themselves as being able to communicate with them.
I mean, would you? Imagine, you've crossed over. Nobody knows that you were killed by great aunt Mabel, you left before telling your children you loved them, and your will is hidden in the teapot. You are desperate to get your message across so you do the obvious, you get hold of some sad nutter in a dodgy cardigan and give them the most obscure message possible.
I mean, it’s rubbish.
You wouldn’t say "whho ooo ooo, I want to communicate with someone wearing a green sock who has a name beginning with "J" who is missing someone".
You’d just say "Oi, Jim, over here son....".
Like aliens only ever choosing sad pfd in deserted areas who are the only people on the planet without a telephone camera in their pocket.
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I file it all along with homeopathy.
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My father knew, a month in advance, the exact time and date that he was going to die.
He was spot on, to the minute !
Ted
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I assume he took out just the most ginormous life assurance policy then? With double payout for what he actually died of?
As well as placing a squidrillion quid at Paddy Power?
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Then headed to Panama while leaving a canoe washed up on the beach?
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Nah, Nothing as complicated............the Lord Chief Justice told him !
Just don't tell that one to your mate who's sat opposite you with a mouthful of pasta ! I got most of it :-(
Ted
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>>Like aliens only ever choosing sad pfd in deserted areas who are the only people on the planet without a telephone camera in their pocket.
Thats because the Aliens are so much more advanced and Intelligent than us! - They know if they "choose" some Yokel who only has word of mouth as evidence, that he will be derided, scorned and their visits will be passed off as the ravings of Nutters and nothing more! - allowing them the time to study and infiltrate us! - be warned!;-)
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>> There is/are no God/gods, .................
I'm not religious in the conventional sense, but I firmly believe that there is some kind of power of which nobody comprehends that is looking after The Earth and which will prevent mankind from destroying it. Whatever we do, that power will take steps to counteract any thing we do which is potentially detrimental to the life of The Earth.
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What's he gonna do about the Sun exploding and taking the precious Earth with it?
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>> What's he gonna do about the Sun exploding and taking the precious Earth with it?
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I'm only expecting our protector to protect The Earth against anything detrimental that mankind does to it. I'm not expecting it to protect us from The Sun exploding.
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Barmy. If you don't mind my saying. I'm gonna blow it up but nobody else had better try before I get to light the blue touch paper. Even those hyper-evolved apes I created.
:0)
Nice philosophy for a self-confessed anti-tree-hugger, I suppose. Fits nicely with that approach.
Have another :0)
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>> Nice philosophy for a self-confessed anti-tree-hugger, .............
I'm not an anti-tree-hugger. I'm a non-tree-hugger. You're welcome to hug as many trees as you like. Just don't expect me to follow suit.
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>> You're welcome to hug as many trees as
>> you like.
Thanks, but I prefer girls.
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You've met Teresa then :)
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We'll have moved home by then.
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>> We'll have moved home by then.
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I don't think we'll ever be able to do that. The mail redirection for all 7 billion of us will cost too much.
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The essential questions are: What is it? Where does it all come from?
We will never know the answers because we are trapped inside whatever it is and our consciousness is just part of it.
Personally I'm not bothered by the impenetrable mystery of existence itself, although I was alarmed when these hard facts occurred to me as a quite small child. There's a lot of exploring to do. Enough to keep us amused until the sun goes nova.
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Our star has enough fuel for about another 5 billion years so there may be a bit more mail by the time we move.
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>>I firmly believe that there is some kind of power of which nobody comprehends that is looking after The Earth and which will prevent mankind from destroying it.
There is! - We call her Mother Nature! - and She does what She can, but Man, in His mighty Wisdom, does everything He can to thwart her, and unfortunately, is winning.
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It's OK, devonite. Man's purported victory over Mother Nature, if it materialises, will only be temporary. Rid of the scourge of hyper-evolved apes, the Earth will recover in pretty short order, in terms of geological time. We are but a bump in the history of life on this planet. Life which will, whatever happens, cease to exist entirely one day, in any case.
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Got to admit tho` tis clever of whatever God/Protector there is to give these `ere Apes only a 70-80ish year life-span. That way, they don`t get to see or live with the consequences that their life-style has had on the Earth, that is passed to the next generation to sort out, and theirs is passed on again. By the time it gets down the line a bit, they will want the Sun to explode!
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Each to his own - lots of people find comfort in their faith in the bad times. I'm not a fan of belittling anyone's faith or god as seems to be the current trend on the web.
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>> I'm not a fan of belittling anyone's faith or god as seems to be the current trend on the web.
Quite. It's ill-mannered at best, cruel at worst.
There are certain categories of 'believer' who really ask for it though, and I'm not against giving them the necessary kick up the jaxie.
Like that judge who gave a poor woman eight years for procuring a late abortion the other day. Unlawful killing was it? Apparently he's a member of some proselytising Christian gang. He ought to be retired and my guess is she won't be inside for long.
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>>Like that judge who gave a poor woman eight years for procuring a late abortion the other day<<
When is a murder not a murder?
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>> When is a murder not a murder?
When did a judge last give a mother a long stretch for infanticide? It's usually assumed that women do this under extreme stress while in an unbalanced state. Surely you don't think the key should be thrown away Perro? Sounds a bit harsh for you.
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I think the point is that what she did was wrong, at least as our society sees it. However, prison makes no sense.
She's not a danger to anyone
Its a bit late for a deterrent
Don't see where rehabilitation comes into it
The media decided it cold sell more papers by being outraged about the judge instead of the offender.
So, she should have been found guilty of something, because she was. And then the action should have been something likely to help her sort herself and her life out.
But, lets say she had been given counselling, or something more suitable about which I am no expert; Can you imagine the newspaper headlines about the child murderer and the wimpy, over-lenient judge?
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>>When did a judge last give a mother a long stretch for infanticide? It's usually assumed that women do this under extreme stress while in an unbalanced state. Surely you don't think the key should be thrown away Perro? Sounds a bit harsh for you<<
I would have missed this if I hadn't gorn back to see if you replied Sire, so those damn new post thingamajigs are unreliable.
The poor baby was fully developed and within days of being born, the woman killed it and didn't show any remorse.
8 years worth? well, you said it yourself, she won't do that.
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Her previous re pregnancies appears a tad poor - at least she'll no be breeding after release.
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>> previous re pregnancies appears a tad poor
None too bright, looks like to me, borderline ESN or 'learning difficulties' as they call it nowadays. No one with all their marbles properly arranged would let herself in for that. She may not even have understood properly that there's a (variable actually) point at which a foetus becomes capable of living outside the womb, but be vaguely aware that abortion is 'legal' these days.
Such people often seem sort of numb, unable to express or even feel remorse when still in mid-crisis. Later in life it may dawn.
From here it looks as if she's pretty pathetic, and the judge (and you Perro) a bit punitive and Victorian in your attitudes.
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I'd not be surprised if she turns out to have a mental illness - personality disorder perhaps would appear to be a better bet than learning difficulty.
I know more than a few low IQ women who are terrific mothers.
I doubt most would have the nous to buy a drug to bring on labour, dispose of the baby (whether born alive or dead), and then cover up their tracks while hiding the corpse.
"The defendant gave a child up for adoption in 1999, the court was told.
She later had a termination with the agreement of her husband, tried to terminate another pregnancy but missed the legal limit and concealed another pregnancy from her husband before the child's birth."
She used a medicine called misoprostol which does not kill the baby - it induces labour.
She attended Newcastle Uni studying Maths but dropped out in the 2nd year, so significant learning difficulties are unlikely.
The judgment makes fairly unpleasant and damning reading:
www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/sarah-louise-catt-sentencing-remarks-17092012.pdf
Maximum sentence for the offence she pled guilty to is apparently Life.
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This is in reply to Lygonos on the infanticide Mrs Catt.
Clearly you are right and the problem isn't learning difficulties (I hadn't taken in this lady's academic career, hardly more disorderly than my own). But the confused, unstable behaviour marked by habitual 'deceit and concealment', and repeated attempts to do away with children too late and impulsively, are effectively, objectively half-witted.
I read the judgment most of which didn't seem unduly thuggish or punitive, apart from the judge's opinion that the lady didn't need to see a psychiatrist or 'psychologist' and wasn't suffering from a mental illness. Sure looks to me as if there's something amiss with her.
Infanticide isn't all that rare even today. One of the nippers regularly put down the rubbish chutes in council blocks survived the other day. No doubt the hopeless teenage mother has been arrested. In the 19th century, before education and contraception, it was so common that the sea captain Thomas Coram kept finding abandoned nippers in the ditches between London and the docks, and was so upset by it that he started, with other philanthropists, the Foundling Hospital which still exists in some form to this day, in or near Coram Fields in Holborn named after the good captain.
From my limited experience women are in a barmy and vulnerable state during much of pregnancy and around and for some time after childbirth. Usually in a way that is useful especially to the baby. But given the numbers of people and the oddness of the world it's hardly surprising that the barminess goes seriously wrong in a minority of cases, and in a very small minority is wrong from the start. I believe judges generally take this into account in cases of this sort, which is what makes this case stand out.
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Replying to AC:
Infanticide is the act of killing a child before their 1st birthday due to an 'imbalance of the mind caused by childbirth or lactation'.
In this case there is no evidence other than circumstantial that she actively murdered/killed the child after it was born.
This woman wanted rid from well before childbirth - I think this differentiates from the more common cases where profound depressive or psychotic states can arise following the birth of a child.
I don't think this qualifies as infanticide - if the body was found and pathology showed the baby was very likely killed after birth I think she'd have been charged (and likely convicted) of murder.
From her previous, she is obviously a huge risk to any further pregnancies/infants she may have.
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Unless I'm mistaken, this has drifted from discussion about what's on TV. so if AC (or anyone else) wishes to carry on this particular discussion could they do it a separate thread (with an appropriate header) and not in the latest TV thread - thanks
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R.P., the current worldwide trend seems to be that criticism of religion is unacceptable. I beg to differ. I think it's essential. I think it needs belittling. People need to open their eyes that this is all we've got, let's just rub along all together, because there aren't 76 virgins (what do you do for the rest of eternity once you've got through them) or a life gazing lovingly at Jesus on a cloud, waiting for us at the end of life.
But yes, each to his own. And that's my own, which I'm happy to stand by and happy to be criticised for. Wish I could say the same for the God squad of all hues.
If people find comfort in faith, then great. If people try to supress others or commit atrocities, even (more often than not) against those of their own faith (recent protests in Muslim world), then not great. And I'm afraid the not great is the bit most likely to consume the lives of innocents (proven to be the case over thousands of years), so on balance I'd say we'd do well to get rid.
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I agree with Alanovic. Religion should be criticised, ridiculed if you wish. Its a free world or its not.
I saw an article the other day about Salmon Rushdie (a complete tit) saying that in his opinion "The Satantic Verses" wouldn't be published today. I suspect that is true, and that is a very worrying fact.
As is the fact that today there exist religions so delicate, and so insubstantial, that the wrongful naming of a teddy bear, or two homosexuals getting married, or an idiot film, or a female priest or so many other things can destroy them.
Yet strangely bombing, killing or molesting children has no impact on the strength of a religion
As somone once said, Jesus wouldn't throw a rock at Mohammed, but if he did Mohammed wouldn't throw it back.
Its soo difficult to see the truth of a religion when all of them seem to be supported by complete idiots (hidden amongst the sincere, of course).
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Religion now replaces Money as the "Root of all Evil", it causes more pain, death and hardship. So much for these Compassionate "Gods"!
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>> Religion now replaces Money as the "Root of all Evil",
Get out of it, it has always been thus. Nothing new about it.
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Much of the blood letting in the Middle East isn't so much about religion, videos or cartoons, like the zionist media would have you believe.
It's about all the killing in Iraq and all the killing in Afghanistan and all the killing in NW Pakistan,
and all the killing is Palestine.
The Moslem world have had enough of it for the last 10 years - put yourself in their position.
Believe it or not, Islam is a peaceable religion, and the majority of the c2billion Muslims just want a decent job,
a decent home, and a loving family, just like most people in this world.
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>> Believe it or not, Islam is a peaceable religion, and the majority of the c2billion
>> Muslims just want a decent job,
>> a decent home, and a loving family, just like most people in this world.
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If you say so. That's what the non-zionist media would have you believe.
www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/8143053.html
"Once, we could say with some certainty that Islamicist fanatics, thugs, killers and mind-benders represented a minority and that most Muslims, quiet and sane were unseen and unheard. Today, I fear it is the opposite."
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Each to his own but belittling (of everything and one) seems to be an international pastime. I'm the first to criticise religious stuff especially this pathetic and almost incredible response to this US film. That Pakistani Minister putting up a reward to behead the film-maker for instance what's that all about. Anyway I have no strong views so I really don't care.
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>> As somone once said, Jesus wouldn't throw a rock at Mohammed, but if he did
>> Mohammed wouldn't throw it back.
Each was a zealot, convinced that only he was right, so I suspect there would have been a stonefest..
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>> R.P., the current worldwide trend seems to be that criticism of religion is unacceptable. I
>> beg to differ. I think it's essential. I think it needs belittling.
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>> But yes, each to his own.
Each to his own? clearly not - how can you put those two statements together.
Criticising religion is in no way essential, but it should be strong and pure enough to stand up to such.
There is no excuse to belittle it, however it should be said that someones faith should be strong enough to simply ignore such rude and uneducated behaviour.
I am by the way, a complete agnostic who thinks religion has been hijacked by people who crave power, I certainly have no need to belittle its followers tho.
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Zero has articulated my thoughts on the matter quite well really.
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>> Each to his own? clearly not - how can you put those two statements together.
I see no contradiction. People are free to hold their own views and belittle my views if they like. They are perfectly entitled to hold religious views, I am perfectly entitled to belittle them and vice versa. You attempt to belittle me with accusations of rudeness and lack of education. Fill yer boots.
>> Criticising religion is in no way essential, but it should be strong and pure enough
>> to stand up to such.
It is essential to criticise it, the alternative is meek acceptance of religion, both good and bad aspects, and religion clearly isn't pure.
>> There is no excuse to belittle it, however it should be said that someones faith
>> should be strong enough to simply ignore such rude and uneducated behaviour.
Rude, if you like. Uneducated, nah. I'm no Dawkins, but still.
>> I am by the way, a complete agnostic who thinks religion has been hijacked by
>> people who crave power, I certainly have no need to belittle its followers tho.
Good for you. Religions were and are created by people who crave/ed power, there is no need for them to be hi-jacked. And I don't mean the likes of J and M - but those who came after them with an eye for the main chance. Although there are plenty of power crazed nutters setting up sects, cults and whathaveyou, like Moon and Hubbard to take two examples.
Woo and phooey, the lot of it.
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>>religion has been hijacked by people who crave power,
Has been throughout the ages, heres why Kings have been careful to keep the Church close when controlling the masses!
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Back in Medieval times, the Christian Church was a very powerful force, which is why Kings and Rulers tried very hard to keep the Cardinals, Abbots, et al, as very close aides. In these superstitious and suspicious times, when one could only be too easily branded a Heretic or worse still, a Witch, the Monarchy realised that the church had a very formidable weapon at it’s disposal, which could be harnessed to strike fear into the masses and help to control them, Ex-Communication.
Today, in the “modern” western world, this weapon has largely lost it’s power and is hardly ever heard of, let alone used, however it is still used as a form of control in certain areas of the world where religion is just reaching, but why was or is it still believed to be such a potent ally, to those seeking to control through fear?
Well, lets just think for a moment what it would have meant to have been Ex-Communicated in Medieval times.
For a start, you were “branded” usually with an “x” either on the Chest, or more frequently on the Forehead where it could be seen by everyone, you were Condemned and Damned for Eternity, and Outcast from society, people were forbidden by law to give you a) Food, b) Drink c) Money d) Work or e) Shelter. You would be denied all the services of the church, including “Absolution”. All your possessions would be “Confiscated”, Rich would become instantly poor, and the already poor just found it easiest to die.
Even death to the Ex-Communicated was not the end, part of the laws of Ex-Communication stated that you could not be buried on “Consecrated” ground. Being buried on “consecrated “ ground was held to be given the key to the door of Eternal Life, it allowed you to enter Purgatory, where you were cleansed of your sins and allowed to enter Heaven. Without this key, and without Absolution, there was only one place your spirit was going, this is also why prisoners who committed “heinous” crimes and who paid for them by being executed, were forbidden to be buried in Churchyards and were buried within the prison grounds, it was societies final “kick in the teeth”.
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>> I certainly have no need to belittle its followers tho.
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No, what the followers need is professional mental treatment, not the counselling and brain-washing they get from their religious leaders.
Faith is a sign of mental weakness, in that you need to believe in a supernatural being in order to make sense of your life. Belittling them does not help, as it just makes them madder.
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Yes.
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>> but Man, in His mighty Wisdom, does everything He can to thwart her, and unfortunately,
>> is winning.
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In what respect is man winning?
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Thwarting Natures Culling schemes in impoverished parts of the world, by sending Aide and prolonging the situation year after year, and adding to it by helping those that would have been culled to reach breeding age. Also Man is winning in the rape and pollution of the Seas, and of the very Air we breathe, these are all areas that man is destroying faster than Nature can repair.
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World War 2 Unearthed. - R.P.