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Nobody ever said twenty one for two thousand and one, so why do some people say twenty twelve? It wouldn't be so bad if they said twenty hundred twelve.
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The 'twenty twelve' form is the same as was used in the last century eg 'nineteen sixty four'. 'Twenty one' wasn't used because it sounds like 21 rather than 20-01.
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I spent a big chunk of my life in nineteen XX, I have on problem spending the rest of it in twenty XX.
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>> It wouldn't be so bad if they said twenty hundred twelve.
Hasn't the same ring about it as twenty twelve.
Besides,
twenty hundred twelve spelt out fully looks like 200012.
but
twenty twelve spelt out fully looks like 2012.
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It's fourteen thirty three, All praises be to Allah
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Twenty twelve ....just one of those things, innit?
Like phone numbers....when quoting an "0208" phone number, who says "zero-two-zero-eight"? Nobody. We all say "oh-two-oh-eight", as if the zero was the letter "O".
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"oh-two-oh-eight",
Confuses foreigners no end
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Twenty eleven,twenty twelve, twenty thirteen etc.
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In the year 2525
If man is still alive
If woman can survive
They may find
In the year 3535
Ain't gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lies
Everything you think, do, or say
Is in the pill you took today
In the year 4545
Ain't gonna need your teeth, won't need your eyes
You won't find a thing to do
Nobody's gonna look at you
In the year 5555
Your arms are hanging limp at your sides
Your legs not nothing to do
Some machine is doing that for you
In the year 6565
Ain't gonna need no husband, won't need no wife
You'll pick your son, pick your daughter too
From the bottom of a long black tube
In the year 7510
If God's a-comin' he ought to make it by then
Maybe he'll look around himself and say
Guess it's time for the Judgement day
In the year 8510
God's gonna shake his mighty head
He'll either say I'm pleased where man has been
Or tear it down and start again
In the year 9595
I'm kinda wondering if man's gonna be alive
He's taken everything this old earth can give
And he ain't put back nothing
Now it's been 10,000 years
Man has cried a billion tears
For what he never knew
Now man's reign is through
But through the eternal night
The twinkling of starlight
So very far away
Maybe it's only yesterday
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>>In the year 2525<<
Great song - one of my all time faves!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhNM2K8cmU8
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Do you think so? Up there with "MacArthur Park" in the pretentious twaddle league in my humble opinion but I'm no great judge of these things
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Could be an age thing CG, in 69 I was a hippie and into pot and acid.
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The pot and acid would no doubt have given you an insight into the deep inner meaning of the lyrics that passed me by! ;-) Never did the hippy thing although I don't think we're too far apart in terms of age.
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>>The pot and acid would no doubt have given you an insight into the deep inner meaning of the lyrics <<
Even if the song never had one:
"I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade,
He'd let us in, knows where we've been in his octopus' garden in the shade"
:}
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>>pretentious twaddle
What! - like singin about leavin a cake out in the rain, when you`ve just baked it, and losing the recipe at the same time! ;-)
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Yes, we do that oh-for-zero thing and usually get away with it, but call centres in Bangalore and automatic voice-recognition carp greatly prefers the zero. And those who spend a lot of time on the phone to those - I know someone who does - become zero-sayers.
English pronunication is incredibly indistinct at the best of times compared to rational foreign stuff. All vowels are pronounced with a muddy sort of 'uh' by many people in many words, the same in fact to a foreign ear although a British one deciphers them automatically. Foreigners find it annoying, but a bit fascinating too.
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>> Twenty eleven,twenty twelve, twenty thirteen etc.
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Count backwards. Twenty ten, twenty nine, twenty eight?
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>> Count backwards. Twenty ten, twenty nine, twenty eight?
Most people would say nineteen-o-one etc, so twenty-o-eight, twenty-o-nine...which is what I took to some time ago. Nobody has ever picked me up on it.
Granted, o<>0, but that's useage;-)
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>> "oh-two-oh-eight",
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>> Confuses foreigners no end
Good - serves 'em right. ;-)
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>> >> Confuses foreigners no end
>> Good - serves 'em right. ;-)
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Sacré bleu et zut alors!
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>> Twenty twelve ....just one of those things, innit?
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>> Like phone numbers....when quoting an "0208" phone number, who says "zero-two-zero-eight"? Nobody. We all say
>> "oh-two-oh-eight", as if the zero was the letter "O".
Phone numbers I find odd. The home number I'd say oh one six oh four but at work it's zero two zero (pause) 7654 321zero.
Don't know why.
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Probably because for the first nine years it was easier to say "two thousand and one/two/three" etc rather than than "twenty-oh-one/two/three" as we referred to the last century, it just seems to trip off the tongue more easily.
From 2010 the extra "oh" becomes redundant of course so we revert to same as 1910 onwards.
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Must say, I don't use "oh" for zero. But...I'm often speaking on a mobile hands free to people in other countries whose first language is not English. Also tend to use this on the phone...
brackenstownscouts.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/natophonetics.jpg
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>> Probably because for the first nine years it was easier to say "two thousand and one/two/three" etc
I've heard Radio 1 Newsbeat presenters refer to "twenty-oh-four" and "twenty-oh-six" before. Their target audience has a completely different grasp on language, not to mention a different perception of timespans, from the rest of us of course.
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>> Like phone numbers....when quoting an "0208" phone number, who says "zero-two-zero-eight"?
Me. I always say zero or nought for 0.
Last edited by: L'escargot on Wed 23 May 12 at 07:09
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>> Me. I always say zero or nought for 0.
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Yes, but you are a Gent who was brought up proper - not like what we was, innit?
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That's me a gent too then:)
I always say zero when quoting numbers......a legacy of working with alpha numeric part numbers for years.
Pat
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It is the year 5772 in the Hebrew calender (if I've worked that out correctly)
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Referring back to Zager and Evans song, - what year would you expect the Human race to survive to? 9595 pushing it a bit?
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Whilst you can imagine all sorts of catastrophes it is actually quite difficult to imagine a scenario where humans become totally extinct, other than in some sort of catastrophe that destroys all life on earth, such as a huge asteroid strike.
My guess is that human will still be around in 9595 but hopefully writing better lyrics
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I wonder what physical characteristics will have changed by then ? The loss of ability to walk, perhaps ? Extended and powerful thumbs for texting ?
Maybe a longer tongue to get to the bottom of yoghurt containers. Who knows ?
Who cares ?
Ted
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The GPO used "oh" for "nought" back in the old days.
Telephone instructions said "Dial O for Operator", and on the alpha/numaic dial O and 0 were the same thing.
"Dial Zero for Operator" doesn't make sense.
What was James Bond called = zero zero seven?
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>> What was James Bond called = zero zero seven?
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Thankfully not..... one Zero is enough. ;-)
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>> What was James Bond called = zero zero seven?
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He would have been if Ian Fleming had said it grammatically correctly.
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"He would have been if Ian Fleming had said it grammatically correctly."
There is nothing grammatically incorrect about Double O seven although he might be considered politically incorrect.
My recollections is that in the fifties/sixties the word "zero" was use far less that it is now. Telephone numbers were certainly read as 'O' and the word "nought" was regularly used in speech instead of zero, which was considered something of an Americanisation.
We do after all play noughts and crosses.
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>> ........ and the word "nought" was
>> regularly used in speech ........
I agree with saying nought for 0. It's saying O I disagree with.
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I agree with saying nought for 0. It's saying O I disagree with.
I think most people would say Queen Victoria died in Nineteen oh one and by usage it can be therefore said to be correct.
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'Phone numbers have, traditionally at least, had an 'O' not zero when spoken - I know Multicoloured Swap Shop was o-one; eight-one-one; eight-o-five-five :-)
I'm concious that at times I use a confusing hybrid - area codes seem to naturally warrant an 'O', though not mobiles, but after that it depends on the rythmn of the number. I think 'O' makes it easier to remember some numbers; zero is quite disruptive from that perspective. I'm not sure zero-one; eight-one-one; eight-zero-five-five would have stuck...
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>> I agree with saying nought for 0. It's saying O I disagree with.
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>> I think most people would say Queen Victoria died in Nineteen oh one and by
>> usage it can be therefore said to be correct.
I think MOST people would say that they haven't a clue when Queen Victoria died ;-)
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>> We do after all play noughts and crosses.
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And we play with Hornby Double-oh trainsets.
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>>what year would you expect the Human race to survive to? 9595 pushing it a bit?<<
We'll survive alright, the human race is like a virus living on the surface of this planet and as sure as we multiplied and spread to the far reaches of this orb, we will do the same on other worlds, beginning with Mars.
When you think of the progress we've made in-all-spheres of technology and medicine in the last 100 years, we can but dream what life would be like - 7583 years from now.
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I'll bet that by 9595, this forum will be populated by beings discussing interplanetary spacecraft, and arguing that the Acme Superdrive Mark1 isn't a very good transmission for a rocket motor, and doesn't give very good "LPG" (Light Years per Gram of Uranium)
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>>(Light Years per Gram of Uranium)
And then one of them will say "that should be gramme".
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>> I'll bet that by 9595, this forum will be populated by beings discussing interplanetary spacecraft,
and discussing the correct pronunciation of Uranus.
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Internet discussion forums have been about for 20 years, but only about 10 years in this form. I find it difficult to believe they will continue in this form forever.
A bit like Facebook. If we didn't need it eight years ago, when we did need Friends Reuntied, then something will supersede it within a decade.
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We are all rubbish at predicting the future. As far as I know nobody even came close to predicting the internet.
In the centre of Norwich there is a large building no doubt built at great expense with a stone inscription announcing it to be a livery stable with shoeing services. Built in 1903. Obviously thought those motor cars would never catch on.
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>> and discussing the correct pronunciation of Uranus.
www.imdb.com/title/tt0584423/quotes
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nought wouldnt be tolerated on an air traffic control situation, its ZERO.
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Our generation lived through the year 2000, which we called 'two thousand' and l'Es presumably called 'twenty-nought'. That inevitably had an influence on the years that followed: 'twenty-one' would have been daft, and 'two thousand and one' seemed natural, until 'twenty ten' made the short form unambiguous again. Some BBC presenters - notably Paxman, but also Charlotte Green - use the 'twenty-oh...' form but it sounds awkward to me.
Looking back a century or so, we may now tend to say 'nineteen-oh-one' but I'd be surprised if people at the time did; they'd have gone from 'nineteen hundred' to 'nineteen hundred and one'.
One more thing about 'O': American sports commentators use it as a number in its own right. "Jones is oh for three tonight," they'll say, meaning that the hapless Jones has been three times to the plate without registering a hit. I'm sure l'Es can sort them out.
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>> Looking back a century or so, we may now tend to say 'nineteen-oh-one' but I'd
>> be surprised if people at the time did; they'd have gone from 'nineteen hundred' to
>> 'nineteen hundred and one'.
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Judging form my collection of family letters and postcards, they wrote '01 and said "oh one".
I don't think they bothered much with the 19 in ordinary conversation.
I think leaving off the first two digits was long an affectation of the educated classes, whether talking about wine or motorcars or the Boer War.
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>> Our generation lived through the year 2000, which we called 'two thousand' and l'Es presumably
>> called 'twenty-nought'.
No, I called it two thousand. The year afterwards I called two thousand and one. This year I call two thousand and twelve. Its twenty twelve that I don't like.
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>> >> Its twenty twelve that I don't like.
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You must have hated the 20th century then. Everybody talking about nineteen forty five, reading Orwell's book nineteen eighty four, reminiscing about the nineteen sixties, etc.
Now in the Year of our Lord two thousand and twelve, in the 60th year of the reign of our most blessed Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, all that has changed. :)
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>> You must have hated the 20th century then. Everybody talking about nineteen forty five, reading Orwell's book nineteen eighty four, reminiscing about the nineteen sixties, etc.
You're right. I cannot recall anyone ever referring to any dates in the 20th Century as nineteen hundred and forty five, etc. Everyone referred to them as nineteen forty five, etc.
Battle of Waterloo. Eighteen hundred and fifteen, or eighteen fifteen?
Battle of Hastings. One thousand and sixty six, or ten sixty six?
Both are spoke the latter, not the former. So why should twenty twelve be any different?
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>> You're right. I cannot recall anyone ever referring to any dates in the 20th Century
>> as nineteen thousand and forty five, etc.
No, it was nineteen hundred and fortyfive.
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>> No, it was nineteen hundred and fortyfive.
No, 1945, not 1900 & 45
btw, edited my post and substituted the word thousand for hundred where necessary.
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Just answer these three questions:
1) Have you ever read "1066 and All That" ?
2) What did you call it?
3) Did you find it funny?
4) What was your mother's occupation? ? (If nun, write none)
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>> 1) Have you ever read "1066 and All That" ?
No.
>> 2) What did you call it?
That question is not applicable to me.
>> 3) Did you find it funny?
See answer to question 1.
>> 4) What was your mother's occupation? ?
Domestic servant, followed by housewife.
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>> Battle of Waterloo. Eighteen thousand and fifteen, or eighteen fifteen?
Eighteen hundred and fifteen.
D'uh!
:-)
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>> Eighteen hundred and fifteen.
As I said, I've corrected my post.
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>> nought wouldnt be tolerated on an air traffic control situation, its ZERO.
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I don't suppose that oh (O) would be tolerated either.
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Twenty twelve or two thousand and twelve? - Focusless
