This morning "er indoors bought an item of bakery without looking at the "best before" date. When she got home I noticed that the "best before" date was today. My feeling is that it shouldn't have been on sale as the label implied that the shop was selling the item after it was at its best. To me the meaning of the label is "best before, not "best no later than".
What's your interpretation of "best before", relative to the date of sale?
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It depends on the price. If they are all the same, always pick the items at the back of the shelf.
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>>My
>> feeling is that it shouldn't have been on sale as the label implied that the
>> shop was selling the item after it was at its best. To me the meaning
>> of the label is "best before, not "best no later than".
>> What's your interpretation of "best before", relative to the date of sale?
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It is at its best the moment it comes out of the oven.
after that, it deteriorates.
By all means put a label saying 'Don't even think about eating this after May 21'.
But most kit has such a safety-net built in, thus scoffing it a few days after 'best before' isn't going to hurt. Unless it has green stuff growing on it. In which case, you are an asshat for eating it anyway.
I err on the side of caution, but use common sense as opposed to factory-imposed dates to make my decisions.
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at the very least she should have got it cheap.
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I`ve just been given 12 cans of John Smiths Bitter, best before 09/2009, am I going to sup them? Sure I am! Alcohol is a preservative!
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>> I`ve just been given 12 cans of John Smiths Bitter, best before 09/2009, am I
>> going to sup them? Sure I am! Alcohol is a preservative!
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If in doubt, use them as a beef marinade.
One large piece of cow, a few onions and carrots, a tin or two of JSB, and leave in the oven all day.
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They didn't taste that good three years ago either.
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True- personally don't much like tinned beer - To me always has a slight metallic taste. Prefer bottled beer.
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Little to worry about - often pick up Reduced item bargains in the main supermarkets. Also see:
tinyurl.com/3o9fd4
tinyurl.com/letrue
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I once knew a food company that put fresh cellophane and another label on their frozen products if the BBE date was up. No one had ever died or had food poisoning from it that they were aware of.
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>> frozen products if the BBE date was up. No one had ever died or had food poisoning from it that they were aware of.
Frozen is frozen. Wasn't some of the Scott expedition's tinned food still edible after all those years?
Frozen usually means non-poisonous as long as it stays frozen, but it doesn't mean palatable or nice or anything like that.
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Anything like that on it's best before date should be knocked down IMO. I don't suppose snaily is worried about food poisoning, but bakery stuff isn't a packet of ham. Baked items are always better fresh, if not actually warm and irresistible.
I once bought four fresh, warm pork pies from Metcalfe's in Cleckheaton. Herself disappeared into a clothes shop and took rather too long about it. Long enough in fact for me to eat all the pies and go and buy four more.
That was before I started on my present regime of course.
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>> eat all the pies and go and buy four more.
Oh stop it Manatee. I still remember a lovely non greasy non flaky just-right sort of sausage meat pie from a baker in Alnwick many years ago. I don't know where to get anything like that now. You used to have to go to the provinces for them but now I live in the provinces they are in retreat.
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>> I still remember a lovely non greasy non flaky just-right sort of sausage meat pie
That's exactly the kind - light, thin pastry with a touch of crispness...sorry.
Actually they still make them. I could import some on my next visit?
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>> >> I still remember a lovely non greasy non flaky just-right sort of sausage meat
>> pie
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>> That's exactly the kind - light, thin pastry with a touch of crispness...sorry.
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>> Actually they still make them. I could import some on my next visit?
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Oh, stop it ,you devils...I just drooled on me keyboard. I thought it was an offence under the food laws not to eat a pack of 4 pies all at once......ditto Eccles Cakes. A fave lunch for me is a tin of Heinz tomato soup with a Mattesons smoked pork sausage cut into chunks and thrown in.
Heaven in a bowl !
Ted
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OK Ted, try this one, same sausage in, wait for it, mulligatawny or....pea and ham.
It'll change your life.
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>> OK Ted, try this one, same sausage in, wait for it, mulligatawny or....pea and ham.
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>> It'll change your life.
Thanks Humpy, I'll try them...I'm always open to try new recipes ! The carrot and corry is quite nice too.
It's funny, when I'm cutting up the banger, I can never bring meself to put the nosecones in the soup..they have to be eaten while the microwave is doing it's work.
Funny animals, people !
Ted
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>> I once bought four fresh, warm pork pies from Metcalfe's in Cleckheaton. Herself disappeared into a clothes shop and took rather too long about it. Long enough in fact for
me to eat all the pies and go and buy four more.
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Top Man. Admirable.
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I once bought a reet big load of Boddies...50p for 4 small cans, I think. Guy on the till said they got stronger with age and they had to sell them off as they didn't conform to the ABV on the can. They were fine.
Aldi had 99p bottles of bitter today locally. I stocked up with 30. Jennings and Banks.
Ted
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yup!
coke from tins is foul, coke from a glass bottle is sublime! Ditto Fanta
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>>coke from tins is foul<<
Its OK from tinfoil though.
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Best before means exactly that. Beyond the specified date the product may be 'outside design parameters' in terms of flavour, texture or whatever. Still perfectly safe to eat though.
Use by applies to stuff that can go bad and make you ill; meat, milk/milk products etc. In practice though if you use your eyes nose and common sense lots of stuff is edible long after. There's a margin for safety and another for sub optimal refigeration. Milk sealed in plastic bottles is one example; perfectly OK in coffee 5 days later.
Several types of cheese aren't worth eating until a week or two or even a month after the use by date!!
Last edited by: Bromptonaut on Mon 21 May 12 at 20:03
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Agree with you there Brompton, another one to add in is some bread codes have use by with a number in brackets.
So use by 24 May (1) should only be sold up to 1 day before, if it is a (2) it should only be sold up to 2 days before. But some supermarkets, when waste targets were tight, disregarded these guidleines so this then led to suppliers like Warburtons changing their codes to "Display Until 24 May Use 26 May"
Recoding of wrapped products is very difficult, recoding of loose produce, deli and meat counter however is very easy!!
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>> Recoding of wrapped products is very difficult, recoding of loose produce, deli and meat counter
>> however is very easy!!
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True. Mrs HM worked at a well-known supermarket when we first met, on the deli counter; she tells me that some of those pieces of turkey or pork which have been done in "Chinese" or "BBQ" glaze, started their shelf lives as ordinary plain fresh meat, and can then be re-packaged in a new guise once their initial shelf life has expired.
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>> Milk sealed in plastic bottles is one example; perfectly OK in coffee 5 days later.>>
Not necessarily so. I bought two plastic bottles of two pints of milk (BOGOF offer at Farm Foods) and used one bottle for several days. It was approaching the Best By date, so I poured the remains down the sink when making my morning cup of coffee and opened the new one, stored alongside the original in the fridge.
Unfortunately itt had gone right off and I had to throw that away as well. I hate coffee without milk....:-(((
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>> Not necessarily so. I bought two plastic bottles of two pints of milk (BOGOF offer
>> at Farm Foods) and used one bottle for several days. It was approaching the Best
>> By date, so I poured the remains down the sink when making my morning cup
>> of coffee and opened the new one, stored alongside the original in the fridge.
I've had that one too Stu, usually in UK heatwave conditions where I suspect the refrigeration margin has been eroded.
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>> Best before means exactly that.
That's what I think. So if a shop has something perishable on its shelves on the day of the "best before" date, the shop is offering it for sale after it was at its best. The item should have been removed from the shelf at the end of the day before, or reduced in price.
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>> True- personally don't much like tinned beer - To me always has a slight metallic
>> taste. Prefer bottled beer.
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My experience is that the metallic taste becomes stronger the older the can is.
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>> My experience is that the metallic taste becomes stronger the older the can is. >>
In the case of food cans, be aware of those with a ring pull top. They don't last as long as fully sealed types.
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I don't get it! - loads of folk mention the "Metallic -taste" of cans, but I`ve never noticed it! - Cans are "Lined" to counteract exactly this problem! and for me it works!
www.bisphenol-a.org/human/epoxycan.html
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>> I don't get it! - loads of folk mention the "Metallic -taste" of cans, but
>> I`ve never noticed it! -
To be fair I've never noticed it in the UK. In France however we bought Pelforth Blonde in cans for easy storage in camping fridge. Thought it a bit metallic and did side by side blind taste - absolutely no doubt then.
Perhaps should try same with Guiness or Tanglefoot.
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Things always used to say "Best Before End", I think abbreviated to BBE, so it was clearly meant to mean up to the end of the date stated.
Ask Theresa May for a definitive statement on interpreting deadlines.
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>>Perhaps should try same with Guiness or Tanglefoot. >>
Always found in the past that Guinness in a can tastes just as good, or even better than if poured from the pump. Not had one for a while from a can, but the widget certainly played a key part.
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Once made tea from 12 year old teabags (unused but still in the box) found on a job on a british gas refurb.... very ropey, tasted like that decaff stuff...but after digging out hard core from disused victorian town gas holding tanks we were a bit parched, and found out later the scientific boffins found cyanide in the ground not far from were we were diggin
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>> boffins found cyanide in the ground not far from were we were diggin
That wasn't at the top end of Ladbroke Grove just past the GWR main line and just before the canal, across from Kensal Green cemetery?
There's a Sainsbury's there now on part of the site (there were still two or three disused holders last time I looked). Yum yum.
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To stop this confusion I've read that the only date you will see will be a 'Use By' date, the other dates mean the product can still be consumed safely but may not be at it's prime, there is potentially a health issue if a product is used after the 'Use By' date.
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>> the other dates mean the product can still be consumed safely but may not be at it's prime, there is potentially a health issue if a product is used after the 'Use By' date.>>
Most Best By items don't suddenly become inedible the minute the clock strikes midnight.....:-)) Common sense is all that is required.
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>> Common sense is all that is required.
Indeed. Some things keep much better than others. Conversely, and depressingly, a lot of things in packets with best-by dates on them were pretty crap in the first place, to a lowest-common-denominator taste and full of injected water and the odd preservative...
Proper food comes out of the oven or in slices off the end of a big piece of something. Even that doesn't absolutely guarantee properness though.
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>>items don't suddenly become inedible the minute the clock strikes midnight...
You would probably be surprised just how many folks think different. As long as it doesn`t crawl off my plate it is considered to be edible in this Hovel!!
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Interpretation (1) - strict legal.
Quite clearly if something is best before 23 May, and today is 23 May, then it went past its best at 00.01 this morning. However, often it is "best before end" so if so then it only goes past its best at 00.01 tomorrow morning.
Interpretation (2) - edibility
It's fine.
I'm bemused as to why Stuartli poured milk down the sink because it was "nearing its best before" date - serves him right for such pointless waste that the other bottle had turned.
Interestingly, if you have milk that is approaching the end of its life, stick it in the microwave and boil it up and it will last another few days.
When buying milk the length of time it lasts is very dependant on the storage between factory and your fridge. Milk from "local" newsagents never lasts very well in the summer as it has been allowed to warm up somewhere in transit. Milk from my local M&S which is but a few steps from my front door lasts well beyond the BBE date even in high summer.
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If you want long lasting milk buy the micro-filtered stuff - Cravendale milk lasts for ages.
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We buy Aldi skimmed UHT - lasts for ever and is 49p per litre!
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my uht last a fortnight if i keep it in the fridge.....reminds me of the co-op sterilised milk the pensioners used to buy....takes the bitterness off the old dargeeling any road
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>>reminds me of the co-op sterilised milk the pensioners used to buy<<
I was brought up on stera (and Echo margarine) awful stuff (inc. UHT) I'd rather use Marvel.
Darjeeling shouldn't be bitter - its the Champagne of teas!
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Both main varieties of tinned milk are to me more or less irresistible.
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My friend Laurie (the leather worker) used to put condensed milk in his tea.
I used to throw mine out the window when he wasn't looking (blimmin stuff!)
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I adore condensed milk, but I don't like my tea or coffee sweetened.
Carnation-type 'vapo' is good in otherwise undrinkable instant coffee. And brilliant added cold to hot porage or Readybrek.
Both are close relatives of tetrapak custard. Which reminds me we have a good crop of rewbob to cut.
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Rhubarb n' custard ... NOW you're talking :)
Carnation, that was what Laurie used, ideal for him really as he lived miles from anywhere g.co/maps/6h7gk
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Evap is OK in tea but only needs a drop or two - that's what evaporated means. Also good in porridge but the now seemingly withdrawn Nestles Cream was even better.
The sweetened condensed stuff in a tube is OK with coffee when cycle camping with weight at a premium.
As a kid it was a treat to get a spoon and 'clean out' the tins when Mum used Blue Butterfly condensed in the filling of Lemon Meringue Pie
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Ah yes tinned cream. Known in our house as Plumrose Cream, regardless of brand.
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Crumbs.... takes one back to the RAJ ... if anyone has ever looked on the side of a tin of Tate and Lyles... bee's consuming a Lion?
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'Out of the strong came forth sweetness' IIRC from Sunday School days.
Tate and Lyles on Yorkshire pud. Oh yum yum yum!
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>> I was brought up on stera (and Echo margarine) awful stuff ............
I was brought up on blocks of hard margarine. When Stork in tubs became available after the war it was luxury by comparison.
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"When Stork in tubs became available after the war it was luxury by comparison."
Reminds me that I used to love my Mum's "new potatoes with butter" many years ago. So when I was a student and away from home (also many years ago) I decided to do some "new potatoes with butter". But they didn't taste the same - nothing like as good as Mum's. But what on earth could I have done wrong? It was only much later that I learned that Mum's "butter" was Stork Margarine!
In much the same way I developed a dislike of coffee at a young age - only much later did I discover that I had not been drinking coffee - it was that awful "Camp" coffee (and no, I don't mean a skinny decaf)
My daughter always makes fun of me because she says there are always a couple of "out of date" pork pies in the fridge and loads of "out of date cheese". She wants to chuck them out and I have to eat them before she can chuck them out - if the porkies smell OK and have no mould they are OK to eat. If the cheese stinks and has mould it is OK to eat.
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>> Interpretation (1) - strict legal.
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>> Quite clearly if something is best before 23 May, and today is 23 May, then
>> it went past its best at 00.01 this morning. However, often it is "best before
>> end" so if so then it only goes past its best at 00.01 tomorrow morning.
The item in question was labelled "best before" not "best before end". It was distinctly on the stale side.
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>> The item in question was labelled "best before" not "best before end".
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Food Labelling Regulations 1996:
"Form of indication of minimum durability
20.—(1) Subject to the following paragraphs of this regulation, the minimum durability of a food shall be indicated by the words “best before” followed by—
(a)the date up to and including which the food can reasonably be expected to retain its specific properties if properly stored, "
"Up to and including" as defined in the Regulations seems to settle the legal meaning.
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>> The item in question was labelled "best before" not "best before end". It was distinctly
>> on the stale side.
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>> So if a shop has something perishable on its shelves on the day of the "best before" date, the shop is offering it for sale after it was at its best. The item should have been removed from the shelf at the end of the day before, or reduced in price. >>
"best before" and "use by" should not be confused with "sell-by and display-until" dates.
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What really gets me (and I hope not covered above) is the number of items that have to be stored in fridge after opening yet are "preserved" items. Pickled onions? chutneys? smoked bacon, ham, herrings, salmon etc.. In the old days the whole purpose of pickling and and smoking and salting (and jams etc with high sugar content) was to preserve them over the winter to keep people alive during the "starving season" - not winter oddly, but spring when seeds were being planted but very little harvested.
My Grandma never had a fridge; she had a "meatsaver" on shady side of house - a slab of marble with a punched metal cover (to keep flies off) and meat would sit in there for ages and still be used. Grandad was a "shooter" and reckoned that grouse, snipe and pheasant etc had to hang for a "good few weeks" before being edible. OK, some were a bit gamey when consumed but that was reckoned to be how they should be - can't remember anyone being ill after eating them either and Grandma lived to almost 100. Are we just too circumspect these days? Must admit that I rarely bother about "consume by" dates.
Just had a bottle (OK, 2 or....) beer from the back of the shed (Hoogaarten) - said "best before" Oct 2010 - tasted great with a slice of lemon while sitting out in the sun.
P (now switched to glass of wine - not sure of the drink by date .... but reckon I'll finish it before whenever it is.........)
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>> P (now switched to glass of wine - not sure of the drink by date
>> .... but reckon I'll finish it before whenever it is.........)
I'm sorry, someone who puts lemon in wheat beer is demonstrably not qualified to comment on whats edible or not.
Its like asking the kings food taster about his pension prospects.
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The problem is we eat far too much processed food. Some of the ingredients have been stored for ages before they make up the final product.
a sell by dat on cheese always gets me. The only sell by date for cheese is when there is none left after you have cut off the rind (or the mould on the outside)
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I've see Hoegaarden served with lemon in bars in London. Seems weird to me but I remember the days of lager and lime. I'll keep to Woodforde's Wherry bitter.
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...I've see Hoegaarden served with lemon in bars in London...
Didn't know you inhabited trendy venues in the capital - still waters and all that. :)
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Note sure about trendy venues but do spend a fair amount of time in London.
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"Seems weird to me but I remember the days of lager and lime. I'll keep to Woodforde's Wherry bitter."
Bloomin' heck chaps.
I get home after setting off at 5am, driving 400 miles, spending 2 hours on buses and trains, walking 5 miles in 20 odd degrees and fancy a refreshing drink 12 hours later.
So I have a Hoegaaden with a slice of lemon while sitting in the garden and all of a sudden I'm not qualified to have an opinion on anything edible and that "it sounds wierd" because I'm not drinking "Woodforde's Wherry bitter".
God knows what you would have said if I'd said I'd had a bottle of out of date water.
P
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Actually I was pointing out to Zero that Hoegaarden is often served with lemon and in no way suggesting any weirdness on your part for drinking it, just a personal view that the taste of lemon and beer and indeed lime and lager are to my unsophisticated tastes an odd combination.
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>> I was pointing out to Zero that Hoegaarden is often served with lemon
Is Sol Brazilian? Anyway I remember that brand being dispensed at (London) carnival with a thin slice of lime jammed in the neck... not really my complete cup of tea but OK in its way. I suppose refreshing is the boring word.
What you really don't need in tropical climes is hot Coca-Cola (had some once at a sports event in Calabar) or moonshine 60degree hooch with a dash of methyl...
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Sol is Mexican I believe but they are the people who gave the world re-fried beans so not to be trusted when it comes to food and drink.
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A pal of mine claims the distinction of introducing Sol to the UK market - the lime thing was a major feature of the marketing campaign, not to say it's not authentic which it may be. He worked for the Mexicans, always had a supply of interesting and expensive tequila on hand.
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"Actually I was pointing out to Zero that Hoegaarden is often served with lemon and in no way suggesting any weirdness on your part for drinking it, just a personal view that the taste of lemon and beer and indeed lime and lager are to my unsophisticated tastes an odd combination"
Sorry CJN - misinterpreted your post.
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I sort of eyed up some Hoegaarden in Lidl yesterday (on offer) it was the white version (there is a dark version although rarely seen in the UK) and I didn't buy 'cos I find the taste a touch bland. Maybe adding a slice might brighten it a touch. Lager and lime making a comeback ?
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"I'm sorry, someone who puts lemon in wheat beer is demonstrably not qualified to comment on whats edible or not."
Guess you'd better go and have a word with the Germans, Austrians, Dutch, Belgians, Italians, Greeks, Yugoslavs, Hungarians and French then.
First drank it at an Austrian friends house about 30 years ago and he put a slice of lemon in it and since then I've drunk it in numerable bars in various countries and always had a slice of lemon in it - without anyone asking whether I wanted one or not. I therefore assumed that that was the way it was drunk in those countries that have been drinking it (like that?) for many years.
Still, I guess you know (or think you know) better than them.
You also have such a polite way of correcting those of us who are perhaps a little less worldly wise than you (think you are).
You should have been a teacher. You would have loved being able to correct the ignorance of so many youngsters in your charming and sympathetic manner.
Anyway, I like cold weizenbeer with a slice of lemon on a warm summers afternoon after 12 hours at work. And sometimes I don't bother with the lemon and I like that too.
By the way, the wine was cheap boxed stuff from France - that further disqualifies me from any comment on edible/drinkable stuff - but I like it - especially at about £8 for 5 litres.
At least it doesn't fill me with the bile that afflicts so many of your comments.
Cheers!
Phil
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>> "I'm sorry, someone who puts lemon in wheat beer is demonstrably not qualified to comment
>> on whats edible or not."
>> Guess you'd better go and have a word with the Germans, Austrians, Dutch, Belgians, Italians,
>> Greeks, Yugoslavs, Hungarians and French then.
>> First drank it at an Austrian friends house about 30 years ago and he put
>> a slice of lemon in it and since then I've drunk it in numerable bars
>> in various countries and always had a slice of lemon in it - without anyone
>> asking whether I wanted one or not. I therefore assumed that that was the way
>> it was drunk in those countries that have been drinking it (like that?) for many
>> years.
So have I - not my experience
>> Still, I guess you know (or think you know) better than them.
>> You also have such a polite way of correcting those of us who are perhaps
>> a little less worldly wise than you (think you are).
>> You should have been a teacher. You would have loved being able to correct the
>> ignorance of so many youngsters in your charming and sympathetic manner.
>> Anyway, I like cold weizenbeer with a slice of lemon on a warm summers afternoon
>> after 12 hours at work. And sometimes I don't bother with the lemon and I
>> like that too.
>> By the way, the wine was cheap boxed stuff from France - that further disqualifies
>> me from any comment on edible/drinkable stuff - but I like it - especially at
>> about £8 for 5 litres.
>> At least it doesn't fill me with the bile that afflicts so many of your
>> comments.
>> Cheers!
>> Phil
Get off your high horse or get a sense of humour - it was a joke and if you weren't so stuffed up your own bum you would'd see it as such. Talk about massive and inappropriate over reaction .
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"Get off your high horse or get a sense of humour - it was a joke and if you weren't so stuffed up your own bum you would'd see it as such. Talk about massive and inappropriate over reaction ."
A joke???
Where is that the slightest bit evident?? It's not even remotely funny - but then I ain't got a sense of humour.
""I'm sorry, someone who puts lemon in wheat beer is demonstrably not qualified to comment
on whats edible or not."
Now that's someone on a high horse.
"So have I - not my experience"
You would say that wouldn't you.
"At least it doesn't fill me with the bile that afflicts so many of your
comments."
To avoid confusion, that wasn't a joke.
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My "stuck up your own bum" was bile - so i guess we are even
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"so i guess we are even"
But no doubt you will want the last word.
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My God, you may know everything about Hoegaarten but "Your right"???
Oh, I get it - it must be my right to have last word.
You're right.
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or not - depends on how you approach it.
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You're right
Enough now, I give in - you can have last word.
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I know - hard day at work - you need your bed.
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No one has the last word on an internet forum.
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There are other techniques. They can always flounce off with their little pink noses in the air for example.
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>> No one has the last word on an internet forum.
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Unless they are a moderator!
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This is my thread, so I claim the last word. Wiil anyone who's throwing their toys out of their pram please stop doing so.
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regardless of the age of this thread, it's not as far out of date as these chicken's feet:
tinyurl.com/how-many-years ?
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Re food, if it doesn't smell bad and/or hasn't got mould on it it is probably edible, perhaps not applicable to meat! I have eaten Philadelphia cheese 2 years beyond the date without any ill effects - made a very nice garlic dip with it.
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>> Re food, if it doesn't smell bad and/or hasn't got mould on it it is
>> probably edible, perhaps not applicable to meat! I have eaten Philadelphia cheese 2 years beyond
>> the date without any ill effects - made a very nice garlic dip with it.
OOO, that sounds good run that one by me, how do you do it, just warm up the cheese and stir in crushed garlic?
(or was the cheese so runny by then it didn't need heating?)
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Bowl, electric whisk/ mixer, one packet of Philly type cheese, as many cloves of garlic as you like, crushed. Whisk the cheese and, if necessary, add a little milk to make it soft enough that the crisps won't break when dipped in it, whisk in the garlic = job done. I made one so strong once that the remainder, stored in a stainless steel bowl overnight turned it black!
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>> regardless of the age of this thread, it's not as far out of date as
>> these chicken's feet:
>> I asked the wife what we were having for dinner.
She said ' I've got chicken's feet '.
I said ' I know you have..... but what's for dinner ?
I'll get me ......
Ted
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I ate some peppered gizzards once in Lagos. They were better then they sounded, but not that much better. Still, you get hungry in the tropics.
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I hate to think what was in some of the meals I ate in rural China.......and I do not think the concept of best before has reached there.......
In Shanghai the results of some pretty poor meals had SWMBO and yours truly making close inspection of Chinese plumbing, on one occasion SWMBO did not make it and threw up spectacularly into the fountain in the reception of our hotel
When you went to the food market they seemed to sell everything that walked, flew hopped or slithered....
Surprisingly one of the best meals I had was at Beijing Zoo......... I often wondered if I had perchance sampled sweet and sour Panda .....
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>> Surprisingly one of the best meals I had was at Beijing Zoo......... I often wondered
>> if I had perchance sampled sweet and sour Panda .....
It was fresh, anyway.
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"Best before" date - Cliff Pope
