Was done on a bit of a whim, after looking at more old bangers are the £2k era I was getting fed up of seeing lots of crap, the last straw was when we saw a 2002 Focus with a 2 inch gash in the side wall of a tyre.
On the way back I said to my dad, why don't we just do what I did and buy a cheap new car. I did a quick check online and saw a Hyundai dealer was offering a pre reg 61 plate with delivery mileage for £6600, we got there but they sold it but they are now selling us another one for £6500, again pre reg but its not been registered yet. We hope to pick it up early next week.
It is a 1.2 I10 Classic, has aircon, electric windows, 85bhp, chain cam, four airbags and rear headrests and of course the 5 year warranty.
Has to be far better value than a £2k ten year old Focus.
I would say the build quality is not quite on par with the Panda, there was a few ill fitted bits of trim but the engine is well proven and has a great warranty so shouldn't be a major issue.
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At least you'll get the Panda back now ! Sounds like a good choice to go for a "new" one !
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Looks like there's at least two of you now on this forum who can keep us posted on the merits of owning a new, cheap runabout.
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There's a small petrol-engined Hyundai here. I think it's an i10. Used by a non-car-buff couple in their forties, with children. They've had it for about two or three years and I have noticed no complaints. It still looks new from the outside when clean (not often) and is extremely quiet. A refined engine.
I think you have done the right thing Sheikha to persuade your dad that he's a bit better off than he thinks. Congratulations, and I hope he enjoys the luxury of non-banger motoring.
Have we by dint of teasing and scolding persuaded you to extend your geek side into your motoring life? I mean no disrespect by using that word. Car freaks are geeks too, don't doubt it.
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Comparing a £2k 10 year old car with a £6.5k new car.... which makes more sense. Well you know that answer already.
Should be a good car. And as you say it comes with a good warranty too.
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My aunt and uncle have an '09 Hyundai, I think it's an i30. Current Hyundais seem to be quite forgettable little cars, going by my and AC's observations. I reckon that's a good thing.
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All my dad really needs is a washing machine on wheels, this seems to be best value way of doing that.
Just staggered how expensive used cars are and my recent experience is exactly the reason I broke my golden rule and bought a brand new car.
The car is in washing machine white, but at least that means it won't show up scratches.
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Second time you've broken that one !
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Er, um, hope he um, enjoys it....Jolly good...
:-)
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Very sweet deal and most sensible if you dont like your motoring, solid little cars - was my choice when my wife got her new car but she preferred the Sirion to drive. Very good engine in them i10 things.
If you do though enjoy driving though, the man in front drives a Perodua. Unfortunately, most of the county will be stuck behind him up the hills :-p
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>>Very good engine in them i10 things.
Eh?
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Just goes to show doesn't it? One I had in Italy this week couldn't pull the skin off a risotto.
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>> couldn't pull the skin off a risotto.
Surely you mean lasagna Humph? Risotto doesn't have skin unless something is seriously wrong. And even the skin on a lasagna can be pretty tough. Either granite-like, leathery or greasy, that's lasagna. Not as bad as that Greek equivalent with aubergines in it though. That stuff can kill.
But I don't think the Sheikh's dad's motoring requirements are quite the same as yours. He's mainly a local pootler, not a snarling outside-lane psychopath whose whole existence hangs on the arrival of a couple of hundredweight of Jimmy Choos in time for the (write in name of inconveniently-located celeb and WAG event).
Heh heh...
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All understood AC, not at all scoffing at the principle of buying a new, affordable small car in the circumstances described. Indeed it is almost certainly a good move. Just not sure I would personally have chosen that make/model having driven a number of different small renters. I feel there are much better cars in the sector. Not least the Panda Rattle has himself.
Good luck to the chap though. Fair enough. Hope it does him proud.
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>> I feel there are much better cars in the sector. Not least the Panda Rattle has himself.
Perhaps, but a new Hyundai isn't going to seem inferior to an old Lada and a horrible Fiesta. Some people just won't notice the sort of differences you would notice. And there's the total package: low price, five year warranty, proven reliability. Peace of mind could seem beyond price after years of knockabout bangernomics...
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The deals you can get on brand new (e.g. from Drive the Deal) negates some of the 2 year old stuff...and the older stuff seems to have a right old premium on price...so, I think you've been quite wise. Look after it and it'll last for ages.
How much would that ratty old Focus have cost to keep on the road?
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A sensible decision in IMHO,
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That was what convinced my mother, me and my dad knew a new car was the best option, but my mother was rightly worried that we would not have the money to spend on other vital things such as a new roof and pointing. However I pointed out a ten year old Focus will use more fuel, cost more to insure and cost a lot more money to keep on the road. The I10 is £30 a year tax and has a 5 year warranty. It will probably last a lot longer than a ten year old Focus will.
It really is just for local transport, with a few longer trips just hope the price was decent, we didn't really shop around but knowing the list is over £8k when he offered it was for £6500 we just decided to go for it, rather than faffing around trying to save another £100 or so. Edit it is £2k of the list price, so can't be bad.
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>>Edit it is £2k of the list price, so can't be bad<<
I know someone who got £10k off a Jag recently :-)
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"It really is just for local transport, with a few longer trips "
It will be fine on the long journeys, the days of small cars being a nightmare on motorways are long gone. I have dropped a car size each of the last 2 times i have changed cars as 90% of the time there is just me in my car and now drive a Pug 207 and it is quiet and stable even at 90 mph (it is the 1.6 tho).
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what happened to the panda rattle have you sorted out the scratches ??
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Panda is still going strong, done about 7600 miles now. There was a big dent on it as a result of parking which cost me £300 to get knocked out and resprayed but other than it has been brilliant. Its not been nearer a dealer since it was serviced in May :).
The i10 is for my dad rather than myself :).
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Rattle, you and your Dad must have more money stashed away than you'd have us believe.
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Lets just say his late father had a bit stashed away although nearly all of it will have to pay of debts and some of the building work which is decades over due. This i10 is well over budget, by about £4500 but it just made the best sense in the long term.
I had to stretch to afford my the monthly payments on my Panda, but in the long term its the best financial thing I've ever done.
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>> I had to stretch to afford my the monthly payments on my Panda, but in
>> the long term its the best financial thing I've ever done.
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The best financial thing you could do is save up for things until you can pay for them outright. The only things I've ever bought on the drip are houses.
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"The best financial thing you could do is save up for things until you can pay for them outright. "
Not necessarily true and almost certainly not in Rattle's case where where wanted a good reliable car to enable him to work more efficiently. Waiting 3 or 4 years to save up the capital would have been the wrong decision. Buying on credit isn't always a bad idea.
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Of course it will; welcome to the C4P i10 club, albeit as an associate member! ;-)
Dad's now got 5 years warranty, cheap tax (that alone saves £90 a year I think) no MOT's for 3 years, new tyres, exhaust and all the other bits that spoil banger ownership.
I work on the principle that cars in this sector of the market lose a grand a year in depreciation. By my rough mathematics that means that mine (which cost £5300 cash plus the old Punto in scrappage) will owe me nothing after five and a half years, and anything I get for it as a trade-in is bonus.
So far it's been perfectly up to the job, wifey mainly uses it for work, we go shopping at the weekend and the occasional trip down to my daughter in Gosport is coped with quite well for a small car; though as I've mentioned before the seats are a trifle firm for my taste. It certainly holds its own on a motorway, and is pleasantly quiet too.
The added cachet of a brand new car was one reason for us too.
We're very pleased with ours, I wish your dad luck with his.
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Very cheap deals at Drive the Deal at the moment, pre reg Hyndai 130 1.6 petrol auto estates and hatch's less than £10k.
Hope the old fella enjoys some trouble and rust free pottering about Rattie, its that warranty that puts the icing on the cake.
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Exactly, no need to worry about anything major going wrong over the next five years. He only does around 6-7k a year too, so the car should last a long time. It is also my fathers first brand new car in his 40+ years of motoring, so I think he is quite excited about that. The newest he has owned before was a two year old Punto SX.
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Much safer to buy new in your circumstances.
I reached a similar conclusion on a slightly higher budget a couple of years ago. Result was a new KIA as opposed to a 5-year old plus Golf.
Maybe the only exception to this rule is when you have a bigger budget, at which point a new car might not be preferable to a classy, specced-up used BMW, Jag, Merc, Lexus,..etc.
Mind you, pre-reg Jags advertised here today with 30% off new price...!
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>>Result was a new KIA as opposed to a 5-year old plus Golf<<
I'd rather have a 2nd hand Golf than a new Kia, my 3 year old 30k mile Lancer Estate cost me £6k and is as good as new - what could I have bought new for that money? (don't say it!)
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Thing is the sales of new cars have fallen, but the prices of used cars have gone higher, the differences between a new car and a 1 yr old one is £500 to £1000, well that what i saw at my local honda dealers, makes you think that buying new is better
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>>the differences between a new car and a 1 yr old one is £500 to £1000, well that what i saw at my local honda dealers, makes you think that buying new is better<<
Yep! - that's a no-brainer really and I can't argue with that logic.
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I was spending more taxing and repairing the Corsa which I owned out right than the Panda, plus the Panda is better on fuel. The interest may be quite high at 11% APR but I will own the car and it will be one I know the history of.
I've not been near a main dealer since May, and the lack of days wasted taking cars into garages to get fixed is another day I am working. Its also great not to have to phone customers and say I can't collect it today because my clutch has gone or my head gasket has gone.
We didn't need anything fancy so the best logic in this case was to buy a brand new small car just too much luck involved in used cars, but I understand that many people need bigger cars and as they loose their value quicker these make a lot more sense to buy used or nearly new. I noticed quite a few bargain Mondeo sized cars, but they are just far too big for what we need.
We also found that nearly new city cars were just as expensive as the brand new ones, I don't know how these used cars can sell do people not realise that nobody ever pays list and there is always big discounts even on small cars?
Even five year old Puntos with 60k on the clock are going for over £3k it just seems madness.
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At least your dad's new car has an up-to-date all-aluminum DOHC engine rather than the SOHC engine in my Lancer (1.6) - he must be pleased as punch with it!
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Give your dads requirements (White goods on wheels) it's probably not the wrong choice. I would have preferred a Panda - what are the deals on the run-out models like?
Edit: £6645 brand new!
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>> Thing is the sales of new cars have fallen, but the prices of used cars
>> have gone higher, the differences between a new car and a 1 yr old one
>> is £500 to £1000
You can get better deals than that.
A mate bought an Audi A4 Avant via 'Drive the Deal' (2.0 TDi S Line). The new price was considerably cheaper than the the stuff on the local dealer's forecourt up to 18 months old.
You'd be mad to but anything 18 months old, when you can have a new one for the same money or less.
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With a 5 year warranty and that much money it would probably cost less than the focus and its replacements over the next 5 or 6 years anyway. Lucky he only wants a washing machine on wheels as that is exactly what he's bought :-)
Ideally you should save up for things but if there are good deals that mean you end up spending less money in the long term than it isn't so silly. 0% finance deals are the best if you can find them. They're reverse saving up as money depreciates while you have it anyway.
£2k cars can be good but you have to pick very carefully as 90% seem to be junk these days.
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Back when I was 19 id already had two old bangers both of which were expensive to run, so back then I had a good job, well paid at the time and for a straight £250 a month I got a Daewoo Matiz, top spec with great warranty and free servicing.
It was a no brainer and one of my better car buying decisions :-)
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If it was my money I would have chosen the Panda as it is more refined and rides better, but there was a requirement for rear head rests and the 5 year warranty was a major deal clincher.
We needed the car ASAP as as we can have the i10 next week that was also a major bonus, the other issue is the i10 is a 2011 facelift model where as the Panda is soon to be replaced, so a new Panda will probably depreciate quicker than an i10.
I really do love my Panda, the only slight issue that concerns me is that is has used 1 litres of oil in the past 4500 miles (its on 7640 now).
It is all what you're used as well, for the past five years my dads been driving clapped out Fiestas (my old N reg rattle, and the R reg he has four years) before that he had a Ford Escort, so the I am sure the i10 will seem great although he is also used to my Panda now.
I am looking forward to driving the i10 so I can compare the two cars properly.
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>> ......... but there was a requirement for rear head rests ..........
They're head restraints (not head rests) for whiplash protection of the neck in the event of a rear impact crash ~ similarly for front head restraints. tinyurl.com/7lu5lwo
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>> is has used 1 litres of oil in the past 4500 miles (its on 7640
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You really need to give it an Italian tune-up now and again otherwise the bores may glaze and that will increase oil consumption.
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Picked it up this afternoon, not driven it myself yet but will do some time in the week. First impressions, suspension is fine, less body roll than the Panda and the 85bhp engine seems to pull well and sounds very good.
Seats don't adjust as far back as the Panda and some of the adjustments feel a bit cheap.
Boot is deeper but not as tall.
Generally build seems excellent, no rattles or squeaks but as expected the dashboard materials are hard but solid.
So far the for the money seems like a good buy :). £20 a year too tax and its 108g/km so we can claim it back as one business expense in one tax year.
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>> Boot is deeper but not as tall.
You'll have to explain that one... Sounds like you're happy with your dad's purchase. Much better use of money (if you have it) than to spend £2k on an older car which needs work doing on it over time.
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Yeah, 5 year warranty and no MOTs to worry about, £20 a year tax. 0-60 is 12 seconds, so not slow either, although certainly not fast.
Ideal for a 60 year old who just wants reliable but not too basic transport. A ten year old Focus would even if was very reliable need bushes, tyres, exhausts, brake linings etc.
The downside is that servicing a brand new car will be more expensive than an old banger but then there is nothing to say we have to get things like brake pads from a main dealer.
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>>The downside is that servicing a brand new car will be more expensive than an old banger but then there is nothing to say we have to get things like brake pads from a main dealer<<
Not really, the services on newer cars are very simple and with things like PAS electric, theres less fluid changes, some of these cars come with long life plugs aswell so most services will be a handful of fluid changes and a checklist. My wifes car hasnt had a service more than £200 ish and the smaller ones under £150 so its hardly excessive.
Budget for it, as you can with a newer car where unforseens are paid for by the warranty and you never need worry. Put £25 a month away somewhere safe andyou will prob have some left over at the end of each year for the first set of tyres.
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...there is nothing to say we have to get things like brake pads from a main dealer.
Exactly. It should be well out of warranty before it needs brake pads.
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>> The downside is that servicing a brand new car will be more expensive than an
>> old banger
I wouldn't put money on that. Ours cost about £200 for this year's service, which was 2 years or 20K miles; bit late at night to drag the receipt out and tell you exactly what we got for that, but I was pleasantly surprised. Plus you've had it done at a dealership instead of a cheap backstreet garage or Kwikfit centre, so in theory you've also got the satisfaction of knowing it's been done properly,and redress if that turns out not to be the case.
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Just been rear ended in the Panda :(. I don't want to make a thread about it as there has been too many of mine lately but the damage to my car is a lot less than the other one. It is being collected on Monday from what I can tell it just needs the rear bumper respraying.
Just been a lot of hassle trying to sort out. I was rare ended at lights, they changed to amber and the driver behind assumed I wouldn't stop but I stopped in plenty of time and didn't brake sharply and my brake lights are in perfect working order so he simply wasn't concentrating.
He apologised but this is just stress I don't need :(
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That's pretty much exactly what happened to me Rattle, less than 2 weeks into ownership. All sorted very smoothly by Mercedes Accident Management (Mam!!), and looks good as new now - it was gone for less than a week. In my case I think the driver behind expected me to follow the 3 or 4 cars ahead that had gone though on red ;-)
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Yeah hopefully there is no way it can be seen as my fault, got lots of pictures of the scene too and checked with MID and all his details add up.
At least we have the Hyundai now, I am entitled to a hire car but I am not going to bother (something else to worry about) unless my car is in the garage for a long time.
I had a good look underneath and there is no obvious signs of chassis damage is really just a few scratches.
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>> At least we have the Hyundai now, I am entitled to a hire car but
>> I am not going to bother (something else to worry about) unless my car is
>> in the garage for a long time.
Mercedes Accident Management did try and put me in a replacement car (credit hire I assume) but at the time we hadn't sold the A3 so had 3 cars anyway. I told them not to bother. As it happens, the bodyshop were far more efficient than the credit hire company; they rang a couple of weeks after the accident to see if they could provide a like-for-like replacement, but by then the car had been collected, fixed and returned!
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"It is being collected on Monday from what I can tell it just needs the rear bumper respraying."
Check the spare wheel well and boot floor in case there are any creases, etc. Had a fairly minor rear shunt in one of my Primeras, and it creased the boot floor and blew the seal on the spare wheel. Had to have a new boot floor.
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Yeah I had a look from underneath it all looked fine, there are no dents on the bumper just deep scratches but I will check properly tomorrow in day light when I empty the car.
Even though it wasn't my fault this has knocked my confidence a bit :(.
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Sounds like a very minor bump Sheikha. Look on the bright side: you've lost your virginity at last (that's what a friend of mine called it when he rolled and wrote off his Renault Dauphine in Africa).
I'm sure you won't start sporting a neck brace and screaming the place down about whiplash as so many do. You seem well above that sort of thing.
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Bad luck Rattle :-(
At least it's not your fault so will be sorted and won't count against you.
Shame you had paid for the wheel arch work earlier - body shop might have done you a deal on that at the same time.
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Now you know why the rest of us dont stop at Amber....
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You shouldn't have to brake the law to avoid an accident though. Often I do go through in amber you have to, but in this case it was 100% safe to stop, the idiot behind just wasn't concentrating.
I do know what you mean though, and I worry I might be less inclined to stop when I should in the future! It all comes with experience though, I've done about 8000-9000 solo miles behind me.
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>> You shouldn't have to brake the law to avoid an accident though. Often I do
>> go through in amber you have to, but in this case it was 100% safe
>> to stop, the idiot behind just wasn't concentrating.
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>> I do know what you mean though, and I worry I might be less inclined
>> to stop when I should in the future! It all comes with experience though, I've
>> done about 8000-9000 solo miles behind me.
Rats - the first thing I do When approaching an amber light, or even a red one, is see who is behind and if they look like they are on the same planet as the rest of us.
Then you decide how, where and in what distance you stop.
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Sorry to hear your news Rats. Always a bummer. Just spotted a wee ding in my wife's car's offside rear door. Probably been to the supermarket ! Not a worry but irritating nonetheless.
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Life's a bitch sometimes Rattle (not all the time) we have to go the full 12 rounds though and each time you take a knock you've got to come out fighting, that's what life is, a battle to-the-end.
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A rear ender is the driving instructors accident, I doubt if there's an AdI going who hasn't had a few of those. "But I thought you were going to go..."
I once got hit twice in an hour, the first on a lesson when the pupil was slow away at a roundabout and the second when i was driving home afterwards and waiting at a junction.
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>> A rear ender is the driving instructors accident
And the taxi drivers' ;)
3 times I had back bumpers and boot floors replaced, each on a different (<1 year old!!) car.
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>> And the taxi drivers' ;)
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>> 3 times I had back bumpers and boot floors replaced, each on a different (<1
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My most sickening was on a two week old Peugeot 205, made worse because I did it all by myself. Using a jet wash I ignored the warning beeps that the cycle was about to finish and carried on getting my monies worth of high presure spray. When the water stopped the lance shot forward and put a nice scrape along the back door.
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>> Yeah I had a look from underneath it all looked fine, there are no dents on the bumper just deep scratches
My Mondeo came with a couple of those, consistent with someone having clouted it up the back end at some point. The ends of the bumper meet the bodywork perfectly though, and the scratches had been touched up, so I don't worry about it.
The bodyshop will *thoroughly* inspect the metalwork behind the bumper for damage Rattle, it's an insurance job on a two-year-old car so if it needs anything further they will soon know about it and act accordingly. Still a bummer, though :(
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My rear-ender happened in Hull, on my bike. The lad in front of me, about 20ft from the line wjen the amber came up, stopped quickly. I was forced to do a crash stop as I expected him to go through. The BMW started a massive handlebar shimmy and threw me off.
I'm lying in the road, the engine's still running, and I can't move my right leg at all. ' Holiday over before I even get to the ship ' I thought. Looked down and saw a Clio had stopped on my foot ! I pulled it out, got back on and set off with only a bruised pride and a broken indicator, which fell off on the rutted track that is the Belgian motorway.
Get that whiplash claim in, Ratto....I'll be your witness for a substantial share of the bunce !
Ted
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>> Get that whiplash claim in, Ratto....I'll be your witness for a substantial share of the
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>> Ted
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That's an idea Ted, I bags one of the places in the Panda when it was hit. We could squeeze another three in, first come first served.
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Finally bought a new car - R.P.
